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    LawNext

    LawNext is a weekly podcast hosted by Bob Ambrogi, who is internationally known for his writing and speaking on legal technology and innovation. Each week, Bob interviews the innovators and entrepreneurs who are driving what’s next in the legal industry. From legal technology startups to new law firm business models to enhancing access to justice, Bob and his guests explore the future of law and legal practice.

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    Ep 164: As LawPay Acquires MyCase, Our Exclusive LawNext Interview with the Two CEOs Jun 09, 2022
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    As this episode is being released, news is breaking that is likely to have a profound impact on the law practice management market: AffiniPay, the parent company of the electronic payments platform LawPay, has acquired the law practice management company MyCase, along with several other practice management products that MyCase acquired over the past year. Just ahead of today's announcement, the CEOs of the two companies sat down for an exclusive podcast interview with LawNext host Bob Ambrogi to answer questions about the deal. They discuss how the deal came about, what it means for each company's customers, and what its impact might be on the broader market. Joining Bob are:

    • Dru Armstrong, who became CEO of AffiniPay in July 2021. With degrees in both law and business from the University of Chicago, she was previously CEO of Grace Hill, a company that provides software for owners and operators of real estate properties.
    • Jim McGinnis, who was named MyCase CEO in January 2021, after having most recently been EVP/GM of Wolters Kluwer's Tax and Accounting North America Professional Segment.
    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 163: Notarize Founder and CEO Pat Kinsel on Disrupting A Centuries-Old Process May 23, 2022
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    If ever there was a process ripe for disruption, notarization would seem to be it. A function that may date back to Ancient Egypt, it has changed little for centuries – still typically done in person, on hard-copy paper, using physical seals, and recorded in written ledgers.

    Pat Kinsel, founder and CEO of Notarize, believes society has grappled for too long with how to scale this simple process of authenticating signatures. His company is striving to do that, both for consumers who need a one-time notarization and for businesses for which notarizations are part of the normal course.

    Since its founding in 2015, Notarize has become the category leader in transforming this traditional paper-based process into a digital one. Along the way, it has raised $213 million, grown to nearly 500 employees, and was recently ranked 24th on the Financial Times' list of The Fastest Growing Companies of 2022.

    Kinsel, who is also a partner at the venture capital firm Polaris Partners, was previously cofounder and CEO of Spindle until it was acquired by Twitter in June 2013. Earlier, he was at Microsoft incubating new concepts and bringing them to market. He serves on the board of Lob and was the lead investor in Drizly.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 162: Is the End in Sight for State Limits on Law Practice? May 17, 2022
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    Lawyers are largely limited to practicing law in the states in which they are licensed. But now, calling that rule anachronistic, the Association of Professional Responsibility Lawyers has asked the American Bar Association to amend the model rules that govern law practice to allow lawyers admitted in any U.S. jurisdiction to practice law and provide legal advice to clients anywhere in the country.

    "Our proposal advocates that a lawyer admitted in any United States jurisdiction should be able to practice law and represent willing clients without regard to the geographic location of the lawyer or the client, without regard to the forum where the services are to be provided, and without regard to which jurisdiction's rules apply at a given moment in time," APRL President Brian Faughnan said in a letter to ABA President Reginald M. Turner.

    On this episode of LawNext, Faughnan joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss why APRL has concluded that the change is critical to a "21st Century approach to the practice of law." They discuss the APRL study and report that called for replacement of the current Rule 5.5 of the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct, APRL's proposed new version of 5.5 that would allow multi-jurisdictional practice, and why Faughnan believes there is a strong likelihood that the ABA will at least give strong consideration to the change.

    In his day job, Faughnan is a shareholder in the Tennessee law firm Lewis Thomason, where his practice includes representing lawyers and law firms in disciplinary matters.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 161: Carl Malamud on His Three-Plus Decades of Working to Free the Law May 03, 2022
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    No one has worked harder, worked longer or had more success at the cause of making government information accessible to the public than Carl Malamud and his organization Public.Resource.Org. From putting the SEC's EDGAR database online in 1993 – effectively shaming the SEC into putting it online itself two years later – to his 2020 U.S. Supreme Court victory defeating the state of Georgia's claim of copyright in its official legislative code, to his 2022 federal court win allowing him to publish private-industry technical standards that are incorporated by reference into thousands of federal, state and local laws, Malamud has devoted his career to freeing the law.

    On this episode of LawNext, Malamud joins host Bob Ambrogi to recap some of the significant milestones of his more-than 30-years of battling government bureaucracies. Among the topics they discuss: how his 1993 publication of the SEC's EDGAR database on the Internet became a turning point for government information online; how his work with Aaron Swartz – the younger computer programmer who later killed himself after being indicted by the U.S. attorney – and other to open access to PACER documents led to creation of the RECAP database of free PACER filings; how his publication of Georgia's official legislative code led to a watershed Supreme Court ruling; and why, in recent years, he has turned his attention to India, of which he said, "If there is to be a revolution in access to knowledge, it has to be in India."

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 160: Filevine CEO Ryan Anderson on His Company's $108M Raise and the Future of Practice Management Apr 26, 2022
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    Last week, Filevine, the Utah-based case management company, raised $108 million in a Series D funding round. Founded in 2014 with an original focus on litigation and personal injury law, the company has been steadily expanding its platform into other areas of law practice — including larger firms, insurance defense, corporate legal, and government — and it plans to use this funding to further fuel that expansion.

    Filevine's cofounder and CEO Ryan Anderson is this week's guest on LawNext in an episode recorded the day the company announced this latest raise. Before starting Filevine, Anderson was a founding partner at a western-states law firm focused on personal injury, mass torts and employment class-actions.

    In his work as an attorney, Anderson says, he was constantly bombarded with urgent tasks and problems. Rather than continue being bombarded, he decided to turn his attention to building a system that would help solve the problems. He teamed up with a group of software engineers who shared his vision for cloud-based collaboration and clean, intuitive design, and in the basement of his law firm, Filevine was born.

    Since then, the company has expanded to nearly 400 employees, made two major acquisitions — first of Lead Docket, a lead tracking and intake management product, and then of Outlaw, a contract and document editing platform — and, in just the last year, brought on more 700 new customers.

    Listen to our interview to learn more about Filevine's story and what Anderson believes lies ahead for the company.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 159: Pro Bono Net Cofounder Mark O'Brien on Technology As A 'Force Multiplier' For Meeting Legal Needs Apr 18, 2022
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    For 23 years, Pro Bono Net has been working to harness the potential of technology to connect pro bono attorneys to those most in need of their services and to provide legal tools to help individuals advocate for themselves. In 2021 alone, the non-profit helped more than 8.4 million people connect to a legal resource and helped self-represented individuals create more than 900,000 legal documents and court forms.

    It does this through state-level programs such as LawHelp.org, which connects people to legal aid programs and self-help tools, and TenantHelpNY.org, which helps tenants avoid eviction; national programs such as Citizenshipworks.org, which helps people apply for citizenship, and OlmsteadRights.org, which provides legal resources for people with disabilities; and tools such as LawHelp Interactive, which is used by programs across the country to help individuals create legal documents.

    Our guest today, Mark O'Brien, cofounded Pro Bono Net together with Michael Hertz, and has been its executive director since 2005. They saw the potential for technology to be a "force multiplier" for solving the problems of delivering justice in the United States, O'Brien says in the interview, but it was never just about the technology, but rather about how technology could be an enabler of human capacity.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 158: Jonathan Pyle on Why He Developed Docassemble and Made It Open Source Apr 05, 2022
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    In his day job, Jonathan Pyle is the contract performance officer at Philadelphia Legal Assistance, where he is responsible for compliance, reporting, and implementing new uses of technology to analyze, streamline, and expand service delivery. But in the legal tech world, Pyle is better known as the developer of Docassemble, a free and open source document assembly application that has been widely adapted for a range of applications.

    Pyle developed Docassemble as a tool for automating the practice of law. It is used to create guided interviews that can be used for document assembly or for other uses, such as helping users find legal resources or obtain legal information. It has been used to power such products as Upsolve, a free service that assembles Chapter 7 bankruptcy forms, and the document-assembly platform Documate.

    Pyle joins host Bob Ambrogi to discuss how he came to develop Docassemble and why he released it as open source software. He also shares examples of how it has been used in the legal market and describes his plans for further development.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 157: How to Start Your Own Law Firm and Have the Practice You Always Wanted, with Carolyn Elefant Mar 30, 2022
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    She has been called the patron saint of solo and small law firms. For two decades, Carolyn Elefant has helped solo and small firm lawyers start and build their law practices. You know her as the creator of MyShingle.com, the longest-running blog on solo and small law firm practice, and she just released the third edition of her book that is a bible for lawyers going off on their own, Solo by Choice: How to Start a Law Firm and Be the Lawyer You Always Wanted to Be.

    Elefant joins host Bob Ambrogi to share her insights and advice on starting and building a practice and to talk about what is new in this latest edition of her book. They talk about the reasons a lawyer would start their own firm, the biggest mistakes lawyers make when starting out, how to decide on a practice area, how to bring in clients, and whether solo and small firm lawyers can achieve success and a good living.

    In addition to writing Solo by Choice, Elefant is coauthor of the ABA book, Social Media for Lawyers: The Next Frontier, and the self-published book, The Legal ClauseIt: Plug & Play Engagement Agreements and Power Pacts for Small Law Firms. She has been listed as an Energy and Environmental Super Lawyer for Washington, D.C. since 2012, and has been named an ABA Legal Rebel (2010), a Fastcase 50 Innovator (2011) and an ABA Woman of Legal Tech honoree (2014).

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 156: How Legal Departments Can Use Data to Drive Smarter Decision-Making, with Jeffrey Solomon of Wolters Kluwer Mar 23, 2022
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    As head of managed services and analytics at Wolters Kluwer ELM Solutions, Jeffrey Solomon oversees a database that tracks over $150 billion in legal spend data. Legal departments are able to use this data in multiple ways, including to benchmark outside firms' billing rates and to evaluate staffing of legal matters.

    In this episode of LawNext, Solomon joins host Bob Ambrogi for a deep dive into how corporate legal departments are using data and analytics to drive more strategic decision-making around setting and managing legal budgets and legal spend. They also talk about how access to this data is shaping corporate clients' conversations with their outside firms around efficiency and use of technology.

    Solomon oversees a team at Wolters Kluwer that leads innovation initiatives through ideation, market research, development, and go-to-market for a portfolio of AI-powered products and managed services. He has been with ELM Solutions since 2013. Before that, he was with TyMetrix, which Wolters Kluwer acquired in 2003.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


    Ep 155: As Time By Ping Raises $36.5M, Exclusive Interview with CEO Ryan Alshak Mar 01, 2022
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    As Time By Ping, a company devoted to helping lawyers break free from timekeeping, announces its Series B raise of $36.5 million, cofounder and CEO Ryan Alshak joins LawNext for an exclusive interview about the financing, the company, and its mission to help lawyers break free from timekeeping and get back time in their days.

    As Alshak shares in the interview, the roots of the company's mission are very personal to him. Soon after starting the company, his mother fell ill with cancer, causing him to balance managing a startup and spending time with her. After her death in 2018, he found inspiration for the company's mission: to give people back time in their days to be with the people who are important to their lives.

    He wrote about his mother and how she inspired him in a moving 2018 essay, "Life is not waiting for the storm to pass, it's learning how to dance in the rain."

    In our LawNext interview, Alshak describes how Time By Ping's time-automation software can free lawyers from manual timekeeping. He also discusses how this latest financing round will help the company pursue its longer-term vision, which is to rebuild the model for how lawyers work from selling time to selling outcomes, and eventually to focus their effort on creative work in ways that best leverage their most important asset.

    Thank You To Our Sponsors

    This episode of LawNext is generously made possible by our sponsors. We appreciate their support and hope you will check them out.

    • Legalweek 2022, returning in person to New York City March 8-11, 2022, Legalweek will bring together thousands of legal leaders for a week-long program featuring TED-style focus talks, workshop boot camps, and panel sessions across 21 tracks and 74 sessions.
    • Paradigm, home to the practice management platforms PracticePanther, Bill4Time, and MerusCase, and e-payments platform Headnote.

    If you enjoy listening to LawNext, please leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts.


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