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    KOL105 | Open Mike with John McGinnis: America Invents Act (2011) Dec 07, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 105. This is an interview I did a couple years ago with my friend, Dr. John McGinnis, on his radio show, “Open Mike with Dr. John McGinnis,” WRTA (Sep. 19, 2011), discussing the America Invents Act. I met John when I lived in Philadelphia in the 90s, when we were both involved with the Freeman Society of Valley Forge (FEE-related), which helped me meet Hans Sennholz and Jacob Hornberger. A former economics professor, he is now a member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives. For background information on the AIA, see my Mises Academy webinar, The American Invents Act and Patent Reform: The Good, the Meh, and the Ugly (audio and slides).


    KOL104 | This Week in Law 97: God Creates. We Patent. IP, Net Neutrality, etc (2011) Dec 06, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 104. This is my appearance as a Guest panelist on This Week in Law, Episode 97 (Feb. 4, 2011), entitled “God Creates. We Patent.” Brief description: "It's a Bing trap, Internet rights, tracking data persistence, attorney motivation, abolishing IP, life patents, and more", such as net neutrality (see: A Libertarian Take on Net Neutrality). My previous blog post about this is here. The video is below; it’s also on the TWiL page for this episode; you can also subscribe to the audio or video podcast for this show; here’s their FaceBook page. TWiL is part of Leo Laporte’s impressive and growing private TWiT (This Week in Tech) netcast network (I regularly listen to the TWiT network’s This Week in Tech, MacBreak Weekly, and TWiL, in addition to my some of my other favorite podcasts, such as Mises podcasts, Lew Rockwell, and the Slate Culture Gabfest and Slate Political Gabfest.) In addition to Howell and me, there were two other IP/tech lawyers. We had a very civil and wide-ranging discussion of a number of topics, from the Google vs. Bing “search cheating” dispute, Internet access rights as “human rights,” abolishing IP and gene patents, defensive patent publishing, lawyers as vigorous representatives of their clients’ interests, and more (most of the topics we discussed are linked on Howell's Delicious bookmarks page for that episode). I already knew Howell was a very good host, having seen the show before, but I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised at how tolerant and even libertarian-leaning the other lawyers were of my very radical anti-state, anti-IP views. We had a very good conversation and the other panelists were very receptive to my outspoken libertarian stance. Maybe there is hope!


    KOL103 | This Week in Law 133: Beyonce, Bad Laws, and Breastaurants (2011) Dec 06, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 103. This is my appearance as a Guest panelist on This Week in Law, Episode 133 (Oct. 13, 2011), entitled "Beyonce, Bad Laws, and Breastaurants." The two hosts and fellow guest panelist were all lawyers. We had a wide-ranging two-hour discussion about a variety of legal and policy matters, including a number of IP problems covering patent, copyright, trademark, and even trade secret. We also discussed the Occupy Wall Street movement, Apple's use of IP to squelch clones and competition, copyright threats against Beyonce for her dance moves, and many others as indicated by the links on the episode's show notes. The video is below; it's also on the TWiL page for this episode; you can also subscribe to the audio or video podcast for this show; here's their FaceBook page. A few more backup links and points below about some of the issues discussed. At one point we got into a discussion of Obama's use of a signing statement to approve ACTA as an "executive agreement" (see ACTA, Executive Agreements, and the Bricker Amendment), I noted that under international law, violation by a host state of the citizen of another state gave rise to a right for the violated citizen's home state to use military force against the host state. I remarked that one danger of internationalizing intellectual property by means of executive agreements and treaties is that it could give western nations an excuse to military force against countries that allow piracy. However, this was a bit of an overstatement since, as I explain in International Investment, Political Risk, and Dispute Resolution: A Practitioner’s Guide (see this excerpt), this type of "gunboat diplomacy" is ostensibly no longer permitted since the founding of the UN in 1945: "Today, some investors hailing from militarily and politically powerful States might favor the threat or use of force to obtain restitution or compensation for expropriated property. Such an option is no longer available, however, due to fundamental changes in international law and politics. In particular, the United Nations Charter has since 1945 prohibited the use of force to resolve disputes, except in the case of self-defence. Today, it is generally accepted that a State may not use force against another State in response to a taking of the property of one of its nationals." The quote I mentioned about the problem with making law by legislation is by James Carter, who wrote, in 1884, in opposing the attempt to codify New York's common law: At present, when any doubt arises in any particular case as to what the true rule of the unwritten [i.e., judge-found, common-law developed] law is, it is at once assumed that the rule most in accordance with justice and sound policy is the one which must be declared to be the law. The search is for that rule. The appeal is squarely made to the highest considerations of morality and justice. These are the rallying points of the struggle. The contention is ennobling and beneficial to the advocates, to the judges, to the parties, to the auditors, and so indirectly to the whole community. The decision then made records another step in the advance of human reason towards that perfection after which it forever aspires. But when the law is conceded to be written down in a statute, and the only question is what the statute means, a contention unspeakably inferior is substituted. The dispute is about words. The question of what is right or wrong, just or unjust, is irrelevant and out of place. The only question is what has been written. What a wretched exchange for the manly encounter upon the elevated plane of principle! I mentioned the tension between antitrust and patent/copyright law; more discussion of this issue can be found in endnote 1 here; We discussed the America Invents Act; I've since completed a detailed writeup about this: The American Invents Act and Patent Reform: The Good, the Meh, and the Ugly; Concerning our discussion of the copyright lawsuit against Beyonce based on her dance moves in a music video, see also my posts: Copyrights and Dancing, Copyrighting Dance Steps–The Death of Choreography, and others at The Patent, Copyright, Trademark, and Trade Secret Horror Files. On the show we briefly discussed also Pro wrestler sues rapper over hand gesture: Yet Another Example of how Intellectual Property is Partial Enslavement. [previously discussed on the Mises blog]


    KOL102 | Intellectual Property Law in Canada, Eh?: Ed and Ethan Podcast (2012) Dec 03, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 102. I was reminded recently of the excellent Canadian libertarian podcast Ed and Ethan: The Voice of Liberty in Canada when they were guest co-hosts on a recent episode of the superb Freedom Feens radio show. And that I had been a guest about a year ago. Here is my November 2012 appearance on their show, which I think was a very good and concise IP discussion. My segment is podcast here, which starts at aboot 57 minutes into the full episode, which is also linked below. The audio quality is very good on this one. I have to say—sometimes I give good podcast. And this was one of those times. “Intellectual Property Law in Canada,” Ed and Ethan Podcast: The voice of liberty in Canada (Nov. 17, 2012) (full MP3; Youtube—link down at present for some reason).


    KOL101 | The Future (the End?) of Intellectual Property (Open Science Summit, 2011) Dec 03, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 101. This was my talk delivered at the Open Science Summit, Mountain View, CA (Oct. 22, 2011), held at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. My panel's topic was "The Future (the End?) of 'Intellectual Property.'" My talk, "IP and the New Mercantilism," is first, and lasts about the first 19 minutes. The slideshow I used (but did not show the audience) is also below. https://youtu.be/_v6KWGNtxpg?si=cuUgqshgH0JTYiPP My original title was "IP and the New Mercantilism," but I think a better title is "Property and Science: The Twin Pillars of Prosperity and Civilization—Versus Patent and Copyright." Grok shownotes In this lecture delivered at the Open Science Summit 2011, titled “The Future: The End of Intellectual Property,” libertarian patent attorney Stephan Kinsella argues that intellectual property (IP) laws, specifically patents and copyrights, are state-enforced monopolies that undermine property rights, science, and innovation (0:00-5:00). Kinsella, grounded in Austrian economics, explains that property rights apply only to scarce, rivalrous resources, not non-scarce ideas, using examples like a patented mousetrap to illustrate how IP restricts individuals from using their own property (5:01-15:00). He critiques IP’s historical roots in mercantilism, such as the monopolies granted by the English crown in the 1500s, and its modern harms, like stifling research and locking up cultural works, arguing that IP creates artificial scarcity in a world where knowledge should be abundant (15:01-25:00). Kinsella’s lecture positions IP as a mercantilist relic that hampers scientific and economic progress. Kinsella debunks the utilitarian claim that IP incentivizes innovation, citing how patents distort R&D by steering it toward trivial inventions and how copyrights limit the dissemination of ideas, contrasting this with IP-free models like open-source software (25:01-35:00). He draws parallels between historical mercantilist practices—such as monopolies on goods like playing cards—and modern IP enforcement, including warrantless searches and industry shakedowns, framing IP as a tool for corporate rent-seeking (35:01-45:00). In the conclusion, Kinsella calls for the complete abolition of IP, arguing that it is antithetical to property rights and science, and directs listeners to his resources at c4sif.org for further exploration (45:01-47:26). The lecture is a concise yet powerful libertarian critique, ideal for those interested in open science and the future of innovation without IP. Grok Detailed Summary below Background: See my posts Open Science Summit Streaming Live; Kinsella on Panel at Open Science Summit. Update: The transcript of my talk is here and below. If the video embed below does not work, the video of the lecture may be found here. Grok Detailed Summary Bullet-Point Summary for Show Notes with Time Markers and Block [Time markers may be inaccurate Grok estimates] Summaries Overview Stephan Kinsella’s KOL101 podcast, recorded at the Open Science Summit 2011, is a lecture titled “The Future: The End of Intellectual Property.” As a libertarian patent attorney and Austrian economics adherent, Kinsella argues that IP laws—patents and copyrights—are state-enforced monopolies that violate property rights, impede science, and stifle innovation. The 47-minute lecture critiques IP’s philosophical, historical, and practical flaws, advocating for its abolition to foster a free market of ideas and open science. Below is a summary with bullet points for key themes and detailed descriptions for approximately 5-15 minute blocks, based on the provided transcript. Key Themes with Time Markers Introduction and Austrian Economics (0:00-5:00): Kinsella introduces his anti-IP stance, grounding it in Austrian economics and the concept of scarcity. Property Rights and Scarcity (5:01-15:00): Argues property rights apply to scarce resources, not ideas, showing IP’s conflict with libertarianism. Historical Roots and Mercantilism (15:01-25:00): Traces IP to mercantilist monopolies, critiquing its role in creating artificial scarcity. Economic and Scientific Harms (25:01-35:00): Details IP’s distortion of R&D and cultural access, contrasting with IP-free innovation. Modern Mercantilism and Enforcement (35:01-45:00): Compares IP to historical mercantilism, highlighting corporate rent-seeking and enforcement abuses. Conclusion and Call for Abolition (45:01-47:26): Urges IP’s abolition, directing listeners to resources for further anti-IP arguments. Block-by-Block Summaries 0:00-5:00 (Introduction and Austrian Economics) Description: Kinsella opens at the Open Science Summit, thanking host Joseph and introducing himself as a libertarian patent attorney and Austrian economics adherent (0:00-2:00). He explains the Austrian school’s free-market, non-positivist methodology, linking it to the lecture’s focus on IP’s incompatibility with science and property rights (2:01-5:00). Summary: The block sets the stage, framing Kinsella’s anti-IP stance within Austrian economics and the lecture’s relevance to open science. 5:01-10:00 (Property Rights and Scarcity) Description: Kinsella contrasts the mythical “land of Cockaigne,” where scarcity is absent, with the real world, where scarce, rivalrous resources require property rights to avoid conflict (5:01-7:30). He introduces causality and knowledge as twin pillars of prosperity, arguing that IP wrongly assigns property rights to non-scarce ideas (7:31-10:00). Summary: The libertarian property framework is established, highlighting IP’s conflict with natural rights by restricting non-scarce knowledge. 10:01-15:00 (IP’s Violation of Rights) Description: Kinsella uses Mises’ praxeology to frame human action, where scarce means achieve ends, guided by non-scarce knowledge (10:01-12:30). He illustrates with a patented mousetrap, showing how IP prevents owners from using their property, violating rights and undermining science (12:31-15:00). Summary: IP’s role as a state-enforced restriction on property rights is detailed, emphasizing its anti-scientific and anti-libertarian nature. 15:01-20:00 (Historical Roots) Description: Kinsella traces IP to mercantilist practices in the 1500s, where English monarchs granted monopolies on goods like playing cards for revenue, not innovation (15:01-17:45). He links this to modern IP, arguing it creates artificial scarcity to protect monopolists, not inventors (17:46-20:00). Summary: IP’s mercantilist origins are explored, showing its roots in state privilege rather than market-driven property rights. 20:01-25:00 (Mercantilism and Scarcity) Description: Kinsella critiques IP’s attempt to make non-scarce ideas scarce, contrasting this with the free market’s goal of overcoming scarcity through abundance (20:01-22:30). He argues that knowledge accumulation is essential for progress, and IP hampers this by restricting learning (22:31-25:00). Summary: IP’s creation of artificial scarcity is critiqued, highlighting its conflict with the market’s purpose and scientific advancement. 25:01-30:00 (Economic Harms) Description: Kinsella details IP’s economic harms, like patents distorting R&D toward trivial gizmos (e.g., a musical condom) while abstract ideas remain unpatentable (25:01-27:30). He notes copyrights locking up works, limiting cultural dissemination (27:31-30:00). Summary: IP’s distortion of research and restriction of cultural access are outlined, showing its economic and scientific costs. 30:01-35:00 (Scientific and Cultural Impacts) Description: Kinsella argues that patents stigmatize emulation, calling it “stealing” or “piracy,” despite being essential learning (30:01-32:30). He critiques copyrights for creating a restrictive publishing model, contrasting this with IP-free models like open-source software (32:31-35:00). Summary: IP’s negative impact on science and culture is explored, advocating for open models that foster innovation and access. 35:01-40:00 (Modern Mercantilism) Description: Kinsella compares modern IP to mercantilism, citing historical examples like French fabric design enforcement and modern practices like warrantless searches for copyright infringement (35:01-37:45). He notes corporate shakedowns via royalties, akin to mercantilist tax collection (37:46-40:00). Summary: IP’s parallels to mercantilist monopolies are drawn, highlighting its role in corporate rent-seeking and state enforcement. 40:01-45:00 (Corporate Rent-Seeking) Description: Kinsella critiques industries like software, music, and pharmaceuticals for using IP to accrue monopoly profits, citing Microsoft’s patent lawsuits as “royalty” shakedowns (40:01-42:30). He notes how these profits fuel campaign contributions, perpetuating IP’s entrenchment (42:31-45:00). Summary: IP’s role in enabling corporate monopolies and political influence is detailed, framing it as modern mercantilism. 45:01-47:26 (Conclusion and Call for Abolition) Description: Kinsella argues that IP is not a property right but a mercantilist cover, urging its abolition as antithetical to science and property rights (45:01-46:30). He directs listeners to c4sif.org for more anti-IP resources and mentions his copyright-free Libertarian Papers journal (46:31-47:26). Summary: The lecture concludes with a call to end IP, promoting a free market of ideas and open science, with resources for further study. This summary provides a concise yet comprehensive overview of Kinsella’s KOL101 lecture at the Open Science Summit 2011, suitable for show notes, with time markers for easy reference and block summaries capturing the progression of his argument. The provided transcript was used to ensure accuracy, supplemented by general knowledge of Kinsella’s anti-IP stance and the Open Science Summit’s context from


    KOL100 | The Role of the Corporation and Limited Liability In a Free Society (PFS 2013) Dec 01, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 100. Corporations: see related links at Kinsella, Corporate Personhood, Limited Liability, and Double Taxation, LibertarianStandard.com (Oct. 18, 2011) Note: Also podcast at PFP116. This is my speech at the 2013 Annual Meeting of the Property and Freedom Society (Sept. 22, 2013, Bodrum, Turkey). The video and slides are below. See also the Q&A panel [PFP117], which contains several interchanges between me and Sean Gabb about this issue. See also Sean Gabb's article Stephan Kinsella on Limited Liability (2013), Reported by Sean Gabb (Oct. 6, 2013), to which I intend to reply at a later time. For background, see: Kinsella, Corporate Personhood, Limited Liability, and Double Taxation; In Defense of the Corporation Robert Hessen, In Defense of the Corporation (Hoover 1978) Firms: google various recent Mises University lectures by Peter Klein on the theory of the firm Yaron Brook, “The Corporation” (Ayn Rand Institute, 2007) KOL 026 | FreeDomain Radio with Stefan Molyneux discussing Corporations and Limited Liability Stephan Kinsella, "The Role of the Corporation and Limited Liability In a Free Society" from Property & Freedom Society on Vimeo.


    KOL099 | Agora I/O: The Liberty Unconference: Open Source Agorism: Prosper Without Patents or Copyrights (2011) Nov 25, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 099. This was my appearance on the Agora I/O: The Liberty Unconference: Open Source Agorism: Prosper Without Patents or Copyrights from 2011. The video(s) are below. Interesting factoid: I was set to do the show, using Justin.tv, but for some reason neither of my MacBooks would work with the Justin.tv interface. I saw an option for "mobile device." It was 5 minutes to showtime. I quickly downloaded Justin.tv app on my iphone, got out a little iPod tripod I had never used, signed in, hit the record button, and voilá--I was on Justin.tv streaming live, using my iphone. I was using my MacBook to watch it live, and to monitor questions typed on a facebook stream by the 45 or so participants. Quite amazing. (There are three videos b/c I had a couple of glitches/crashes and had to re-start my iPhone stream twice.) [Update: the original videos seem to be lost because everyone in this space is a half-assed bozo. I should have downloaded them at the time. Lesson learned.] https://youtu.be/x3utqKWQZAc Watch live video from Agora I/O: Peaceful Evolution on Justin.tv  Watch live video from Agora I/O: Peaceful Evolution on Justin.tv Watch live video from Agora I/O: Peaceful Evolution on Justin.tv


    KOL098 | Nomad Capitalist Interview: IP, Shark Tank, Houston Nov 23, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 098. This is my appearance on the Oct. 19, 2013 Nomad Capitalist show, interviewed by Andrew Henderson. My segment beings at about 17:00. Topics discussed: Austrian economics, intellectual property law, escaping the USA 0:00 Andrew leads off the show, live from Bangkok. He discusses the end of the government shutdown – and how to avoid the next, even more draconian version the US government has up its sleeve. Plus, he shares why the rest of the world doesn’t and shouldn’t care about shenanigans in the US. Andrew discusses how you are not a product of the borders you’re born within; you can define yourself as an individual, not as a government slave. He talks about the upcomingPassport to Freedom event 13:35 Guest: Stephan Kinsella (Twitter) Anarcho-capitalist, liberty activist, and intellectual property lawyer Stephan Kinsella discusses why he believes intellectual property law is a sham and nothing more than crony capitalism. He shares his Austrian economics ideals and how he believes they can be better implemented in the USSA. Plus, Stephan and Andrew discuss why Shark Tank is the best show on television, and Stephan explains why he won’t be leaving his native Houston to live overseas any time soon. He and Andrew debate the merits of living overseas with a family and perpetual travel. Also mentioned in this show: Jeffrey Tucker Kevin O’Leary If you like our content, subscribe to our free email newsletter and get a free whitepaper. Subscribe to our weekly radio show on iTunes and never miss a minute! Plus, check out our past radio shows and listen on demand.


    KOL097 | Double Crossed with Chuck Horton (IP) Nov 15, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 097. This is my interview on the Double Crossed radio show with host Chuck Horton. We discussed a variety of intellectual property related issues, some centered on some of my previous speeches and courses, such as “The Intellectual Property Quagmire, or, The Perils of Libertarian Creationism,” Austrian Scholars Conference 2008 and Rethinking Intellectual Property: History, Theory, and Economics,” (Mises Academy, Mar. 22-April 26, 2011) (discussed on the Mises Blog in Study with Kinsella Online and in Rethinking Intellectual Property: Kinsella’s Mises Academy Online Course). See also Karl Fogel on the history of copyright.


    KOL096 | Live For Liberty with Blake Westlake and Chris Horan: IP (2012) Nov 13, 2013
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    Kinsella on Liberty Podcast, Episode 096. This is a show I did Jan. 18, 2012, on WMNF 88.5 Radio, "Live for Liberty with Blake Westlake and Chris Horan," which was just uploaded to YouTube. Chris Horan kindly forwarded the link to me. We had a nice, short interview about the anti-competitive nature of intellectual property law.


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