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**Julian Dorey Podcast**

“PURE SPEC” – JDP features diverse guests & topics including: Wild Stories, Current Events, Geopolitics, True Crime, Society & Culture, History, Tech, Investigative Journalism and much more. Hosted by Julian Dorey & based in New York City.

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🫢 [VIDEO] - Murder Scene Expert Reflects on Living w/ The DEAD | Joseph Scott Morgan • #146 May 14, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Joseph Scott Morgan is a forensics expert, author, and TV personality. After a 20-year career as a nationally-renowned former death investigator in Fulton County (Atlanta), Georgia, Morgan became the chief forensics correspondent for Nancy Grace, Dr. Phil and many other prominent media titans. His book, “Blood Beneath My Feet” is considered by many the greatest forensics memoir ever written.

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - Intro; How Joe got his TV name

3:44 - Separating death from the job; Memories & Murder Scenes

9:03 - Joe’s Dark times

11:14 - A Somber Process: Notifying the families of the murdered

15:50 - Woman whose husband died w/ “lady of the night” story

21:55 - The primal reaction to death

25:14 - Desensitization of death via True Crime genre; Elise Fletcher Case

31:04 - Gabby Petito, Bryan Kohberger - Idaho case

37:20 - How media decides what murders to cover; “Did they suffer?”

45:31 - Why closure doesn’t exist; The father who called Joe for 7 yrs after son’s death

51:55 - Elephants grieving; Human grief

55:02 - Joe recounts the death of his son, Isaac

1:00:52 - Why Joe hates the word “Why”

1:05:11 - How Joe got into forensics

1:10:01 - Opening up bodies

1:18:02 - OJ Simpson Case Medical Examiner

1:22:04 - What forensics experts do at murder scenes

1:30:06 - Getting to murder scene; The victim’s family notification process

1:35:08 - Detectives vs Medical Examiners

1:39:04 - That unlimited variables of evidence at crime scenes

1:42:00 - Post-Mortem Interval; Algor Mortis; Determining if body was moved

1:47:04 - Rigor Mortis & Body Temperature

1:52:44 - Nancy Solomon’s coverage of Sheridan murders

1:59:10 - The Stabbed Old Lady Hidden Murder Scene

2:06:47 - Does life & death of job make you more focused?

2:09:05 - Joe took the darkness of the job home with him

2:14:46 - Joe’s horrific childhood

2:20:51 - The end of Joe’s career after son’s death

2:25:28 - Joe’s bad relationships w/ his father and stepfather

2:32:15 - Julian’s theory about Joe; Why Joe loves teaching

2:41:15 - Why Joe’s panic attacks started

2:48:24 - Revisiting Joe’s son’s death: “Be careful what you ask God for.”

2:56:04 - Julian gives his opinion about Joe

2:57:34 - Is Joe afraid of death?

3:03:04 - Joe’s book & podcast

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🤯 [VIDEO] - Michio Kaku EXPOSES Multiverse, Aliens & Quantum IMMORTALITY | #145 May 06, 2023

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BUY Michio Kaku's New Book: https://amzn.to/3p10D1q Support Our Show on PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey Subscribe To Our Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChs-BsSX71a_leuqUk7vtDg (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Michio Kaku is a world-renowned theoretical physicist, NYT bestselling author, futurist, String Theory Co-Founder and popularizer of science. ***TIMESTAMPS*** 0:00 - Albert Einstein & Michio’s earliest day w/ Science 5:21 - Why String Theory is music of Universe / Multiverse 10:57 - Michio responds to Eric Weinstein’s criticism on Joe Rogan 15:08 - The 11 Dimensions of the Universe 18:41 - Ancient Greece’s Pythagoras & String Theory 21:40 - The story of an Ancient Roman Computer; The 3 Kinds of Computers; Alan Turing 27:01 - The Quantum Race, Moore’s Law, & Our Quantum Universe 30:46 - How do Quantum Computers work?; Quantum Nature 36:24 - What if China gets Quantum Computers first?; Laser Beams 39:42 - AI & Quantum; ChatGPT & AI Chatbots 43:32 - Quantum and robots; Robots compared to animals 48:47 - The next 200 years of robots; Avatars 52:40 - Half Biological alien existence; Digitizing Einstein & Churchill 55:09 - Quantum Immortality; Reprogramming DNA & ending aging 1:00:35 - Silicon Valley & Quantum Supremacy 1:02:42 - The 3 Types of Civilizations in the Universe; The Planck Energy & Alice in Wonderland 1:09:11 - Time Traveling; Parallel Universes & The Multiverse 1:17:06 - Multiverses & Simulation Theory 1:19:36 - God, The Big Bang Theory, & Baby Universes 1:24:10 - Meaning of Life; The 2 Meanings of Everything, Why our universe is stable 1:33:20 - How do we prove String Theory (M Theory); Dark Matter 1:35:57 - Aliens & UFOs; Alien Drones, & Von Neumann Probes 1:43:37 - Why haven’t aliens tried to destroy us? 1:45:25 - Invisibility; Aliens walking among us; David Fravor & Parallax Effect 1:49:57 - DARPA Secret Technology; James Fox & Aliens simulating sightings 1:54:05 - 3 Reasons Why Humans are Dominant Species; Famous people aliens? 1:58:09 - How confident is Michio Aliens / UFOs have been here?; The Pentagon Tapes 2:01:25 - Aliens & CIA; Avatars among us 2:04:18 - Carl Sagan & Alien Gods; The Aztecs & Cortes; Alien attitudes 2:07:20 - The Universe is enormous; Aquatic Life in the Galaxy; Hydrogen / Solar Power 2:11:43 - Lithium Batteries & Quantum Computing 2:14:17 - Quantum can simulate ancient history & Big Bang?; Quantum & Climate Change 2:18:09 - Regulating Quantum Computers; Type Zero Civilization Problems 2:24:21 - Multiplanetary Capabilities & Quantum; Fusion Rockets 2:31:05 - Quantum simulating what happens after death; Multiverse post-death existence 2:34:58 - Quantum & diseases like Cancer, Alzheimers & ALS; Merging w/ Quantum Computers 2:40:36 - Scenario where Quantum *doesn’t* work?; The World in 2050 2:45:43 - How Michio views his legacy 2:48:01 - NUK3S, War & How Quantum could go bad 2:52:16 - Why Technology has a directional morality 2:58:42 - Is Michio Kaku happy? ~ Get $150 Off The Eight Sleep Pod Pro Mattress / Mattress Cover (USING CODE: “JULIANDOREY”): https://eight-sleep.ioym.net/trendifier Julian's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey ~ Music via Artlist.io

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😯 [VIDEO] - Ancient Amazon Tribe Fights to PRESERVE Their Civilization | Elle Scott • #144 Apr 27, 2023

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Elle Scott is a former AWS executive and Iridologist.

Elle’s website: https://www.showmeyourset.com/

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - Elle’s time in Ecuador

6:16 - Paul Rosolie; Why Amazon is key to life

10:02 - Replacing trees in the Amazon jungle

15:01 - The Ancient Amazon Shuar Tribe in Ecuador

20:49 - Young Shuar leaving the tribe & its civilization

26:20 - Eating with the Shuar

31:27 - The Tribe who shrinks human heads

38:53 - Preserving the Shuar and ecotourism in the Amazon

44:32 - Alien Civilization in the Amazon & Palo Santo Trees

51:39 - The Amazon’s Goldminers

55:28 - How Elle got into tech industry; Replacing her girlfriend

1:02:32 - Elle’s random one year hiatus as a flight attendant

1:03:59 - Elle’s time at AWS in Hawaii working with DOD

1:08:20 - The Culture in Tech Industry

1:12:26 - How messy was Gov - Tech world?

1:16:17 - Why Elle doesn’t own Amazon Alexa

1:23:28 - Jeff Bezos & Power

1:33:12 - Companies can simulate everything ahead of time

1:38:45 - What is Iridology?

1:45:22 - The Skin is the 3rd kidney

1:48:20 - The Acid Scale & Mucus in the body

1:56:23 - Expectant Mothers’ lymphatic systems effect on children

2:02:54 - How Relationships with food determine result

2:07:21 - How Elle fixed a powerlifter; Amino Acids

2:13:05 - Excretion & your health; Animal hormones in food

2:20:41 - The food pyramid is a disaster

2:29:04 - Elle’s view on her work

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😱 [VIDEO] - China's Secret Plan To CONTROL The World | John Minelli • #143 Apr 13, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ John Minelli is a former Air Force Tech Officer, Overseas Defense Contractor, and entrepreneur. Minelli has deployed to Afghanistan, Syria, and other countries in the middle east. Currently, he is the founder of Send It Supplements.

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Joby Warrick book, “Red Line”: https://amzn.to/4056tfd

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Andrew Bustamante Episode 107 (Mentioned in Pod): https://bit.ly/3nWJFRh

David Satter Episode 133 (Mentioned in Pod): https://bit.ly/3KQy2o1

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - John’s family in post-WW2 Germany

6:57 - Germany looked like an apocalypse post-WW2

12:35 - Joining the Air Force; Leaks from military / CIA going to China

22:24 - John’s Cyber Tech work in Air Force

29:20 - John becomes a private defense contractor

31:53 - Army Geek Squad in Afghanistan

36:56 - Afghanistan after the US Withdrawal

42:36 - Hiding civilians for war propaganda

47:32 - The War in Ukraine

50:30 - Jack Murphy’s report on Sleeper Cells in Russia @theteamhousepodcast

56:11 - Comparing Putin to Hitler

59:06 - The Military Industrial Complex & War Drives Innovation

1:03:26 - DARPA & Unknown Technology

1:08:20 - China’s military & economic influence

1:13:29 - China, The CCP, and America

1:20:10 - Andrew Bustamante’s enemy theory

1:29:54 - Why people are uninformed

1:35:32 - John’s company he built during war

1:38:23 - How much money John made contracting for government

1:40:38 - Syria is a mess

1:47:31 - 1st world tragedies vs 3rd world tragedies

1:52:14 - The NBA, LeBron James & China Debate

2:05:10 - China’s Influence in America

2:09:32 - Peter Zeihan’s China breakdown; Uprisings in China

2:20:14 - BLM & Defunding the Police

2:31:25 - Patreon Episode Coming Up

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🫢 [VIDEO] - Taliban Hostage WARNS Us About Their Sinister Plan | Safi Rauf • #142 Apr 02, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Safi Rauf is an Afghan-American humanitarian, Navy reservist, and former refugee. Rauf rose to prominence in 2022 after the Taliban held him hostage in Afghanistan for 105 days. Currently, Safi runs the Human First Coalition –– which facilitates undercover missions to evacuate refugees from Taliban-Controlled Afghanistan (CIA, Special Forces vets, etc. facilitating). Prior to HFC, Safi was in the US Special Forces working black ops missions overseas.

Human First Coalition: https://www.humanfirstcoalition.org/

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - Safi born a refugee in Pakistan (as an Afghan refugee)

7:38 - Pakistan History & Conflicts w/ India

12:59 - The Durand-Line Agreement; US / Pakistan Relationship

21:53 - Safi’s difficult life growing up in Pakistan

27:01 - Safi trained himself to be a spy; Safi’s dad’s travels back to Afghanistan

34:56 - Safi’s parents leave Middle East for US; Safi comes to US

40:06 - Safi works with Special Forces

46:04 - Safi’s 4-year supporting SF

50:34 - What Safi was inspired to go to Medical School

55:20 - Afghanistan falls & Safi gets to work with CIA & Special Forces guys

59:44 - The lay of the land around Kabul Airport in August 2021

1:06:28 - Taliban provided security for Airport?; Why Afghan militia was a problem

1:11:36 - Safi’s ground evacuation operation in Afghanistan

1:17:08 - The helicopter runs of August 2021

1:20:56 - 160,000 people still left behind in Afghanistan today; Vetting Refugees

1:25:07 - Political difficulties in Washington DC for Afghan refugees

1:30:33 - State Department Shuts down ops August 31, 2021

1:37:08 - Safi puts new plans in place for rescue missions; Biden’s interpreter

1:40:43 - How the undercover evacs post-August 2021 worked

1:46:29 - Safi develops contact with Taliban leadership to facilitate evacs; $360,000 plane rides

1:56:32 - Funding the mission & gov support

1:59:25 - Safi heads to Afghanistan; Dinner w/ Taliban

2:09:00 - Safi captured by Taliban

2:12:13 - The Taliban’s structure / politics

2:14:11 - Safi tells story of what happened immediately after capture

2:19:05 - How Safi smuggled a phone into prison; Solitary confinement; The Taliban questioning

2:28:23 - Biden gets involved; Safi’s hunger strike

2:35:46 - Safi’s parents negotiate with Taliban; Safi’s girlfriend meets with White House

2:44:32 - Safi released and immediately gives TED Talk in America; Taliban allows Safi to continue ops

2:50:11 - Humor through trauma; Channeling inner spy

2:53:43 - Afghanistan refugee crisis today and work Safi is doing to evacuate victims of the regime

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😳 [VIDEO] - Pablo Escobar: Inside The 1,782 Day MANHUNT to Take Him Down • Ken Magee • #141 Mar 23, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Ken Magee returns to discuss his 5-year journey to hunt down Colombian Drug Kingpin Pablo Escobar from January 1989 to December 1993.

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - The CIA & Kiki Camarena’s 1985 Murder Mystery

7:37 - Corrupt Agents

12:29 - The Silk Road DEA Debacle & The Cartagena Scandal

25:35 - CIA / Intelligence & Cartel Cases

31:42 - Operation Fast & Furious

38:09 - The John Delorean Bust

41:07 - The CIA Agent In Bogota

49:26 - Ken is law enforcement’s Forrest Gump

51:36 - Pablo Escobar: The Phil Knight of Drugs

59:45 - It was never “enough” for Escobar

1:10:37 - Pablo was a good father; “Plata o Plomo”

1:15:54 - The Timeline of Pablo Escobar’s Reign; Escobar’s Night Bombs Story

1:21:24 - How Cali Cartel Took Down Escobar; DEA & Cali Cartel

1:29:28 - Los Pepes & Cali Cartel

1:32:03 - Why Escobar sent family to Germany; What Ken did on flight w/ the family

1:38:13 - Chaos landing in Germany; Ken recovers rare docs on plane

1:43:49 - Los Pepes were planning to kill family in Germany

1:47:54 - How Ken helped get family kicked out of Germany (Different than “Narcos” portrayed on Netflix)

1:53:36 - Ken’s run-in with Pablo Escobar Jr.

1:59:26 - Future Cali Cartel Info

INTRO Credits:

Narcos (Netflix)

Skyfall (2012)

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😯 [VIDEO] - The DEA Agent Who Infiltrated Most Notorious Cartel of All Time | Ken Magee • #140 Mar 15, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Ken Magee is a former DEA Agent and Author. From 1989 to 1996, he was stationed in Colombia as one of the lead US agents on the Medellin and Cali Cartel cases. His tenure in the country was the longest of any DEA Agent in history.

Follow Ken's Page: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeaguy?lang=en

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - Ken’s flight with Pablo Escobar’s family

8:11 - Netflix Show “Narcos” & its connection to Ken

12:18 - Ken’s childhood in Michigan

22:31 - Ken’s earliest days as a cop pre-DEA

31:08 - Ken’s personal experiences with dr–gs in his family

37:40 - Dr–g Legal1zation Convo

45:42 - The failure of the war on drugs

54:44 - Empathy for worst criminals

57:33 - Julian tells story of 2 friends who went very different directions; Crime & violence

1:09:15 - Who Pablo Escobar was

1:15:05 - Ken explains why Pablo Escobar’s son’s book is awesome; Escobar’s interesting traits

1:21:47 - Cali Cartel’s deal w/ Escobar’s wife

1:24:21 - Ken’s early case work in the DEA

1:30:48 - Ken starts DEA SWAT Team

1:36:55 - The Colombian Runway Sting

1:45:21 - Operation Dustbuster & Operation Backlash in Colombia

1:51:46 - Ken gets reassigned to Pablo Escobar team

2:00:24 - The suitcase smuggling operation

2:06:46 - Breaking down The Escobar team

2:12:54 - How to maintain cover in Colombia & South America

2:22:57 - Threats to US Agents’ lives in Colombia

Intro Credits:

Narcos (Netflix)

Miami Vice (2006)

Drive (2011)

American Made (2017)

Band of Brothers (HBO)

Sicario (2015)

Sicario: Day of Soldado (2018)

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#139 - James Fox: The Most Chilling UFO Cover-Up Since ROSWELL Mar 04, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ James Fox returns for the second of two back-to-back episodes on Julian Dorey Podcast to discuss his latest Documentary, "Moment of Contact." MoC covers the 1996 Varginha UFO Incident in Brazil in which a UFO crashed and witnesses allegedly came into contact with at least 2 different live aliens.

Moment of Contact: https://apple.co/3xPPwJN

The Phenomenon: https://amzn.to/41s7j7q

***TIMESTAMPS***

0:00 - James gives a direct appeal to the viewers

2:42 - How James got involved w/ Varginha 1996 UFO Case

9:06 - Jose Carlos Pereira changed everything for James

19:42 - Witness 1: Carlos De Souza

27:19 - Witnesses 2, 3, & 4: The 3 Little Girls & The Creature

36:26 - How did the girls describe the alien?

41:16 - The Carlos De Souza UFO Crash Site (CLIP)

47:04 - The Creature’s footprint (CLIP)

54:07 - Proof they replaced the ground soil at the site of the crash (CLIP)

59:40 - Tested Isotopes “not of this earth”

1:02:33 - Dr. Roger Leir & the original Varginha UFO investigation; Gift to James upon passing

1:08:02 - What the live creature told the Humanitas Hospital Doctors

1:12:58 - Military Officer Marco Cherese captured a live alien

1:19:06 - Marco Cherese mysteriously passes shortly afterward (CLIP)

1:25:56 - The Men in Black appear

1:32:21 - Cherese’s military partner, the mysterious Eric Lopes

1:38:17 - James dangerous encounter on camera w/ Eric Lopes (CLIP)

1:48:05 - Eric Lopes wife & the divide in Marco Cherese’s family

1:55:19 - Witnesses 5, 6, & 7: The family who saw UFO flying overhead

2:03:22 - Witness 8: The radiologist who X-Ray’d the creature (CLIP)

2:11:07 - The Radar Control Officer catches United States Military entering airspace

2:14:33 - James carefully courts Witness 9: Military X (who transported the creature)

2:21:59 - Military X tells James what he saw on camera (CLIP)

2:29:58 - Does the video of the creature exist?

2:34:00 - Military drives creature to base & American military picks it up

2:37:15 - ESA military base workers intimidate case witnesses; James wistfully reflects

2:45:14 - The warning the Men in Black gave the 3 girls’ mother; Who are aliens?

2:50:10 - Art imitates life with Aliens/UFOs?; Project Bluebook & Steven Spielberg

2:54:32 - The inside story behind James Interview w/ Senator Harry Reid; The Buzz Aldrin Story

3:05:08 - James next documentary on the UAP Program in the Pentagon

3:11:40 - What would happen to humanity if we found out aliens are real?

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😱 [VIDEO] - PROOF That UFOs Are Monitoring Our Nuclear Missile Silos | James Fox • #138 Feb 25, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ James Fox is an award-winning journalist, documentarian, and UFO expert. His most famous documentary is “The Phenomenon” –– which investigates UFOs and the global effort to conceal their existence. In 2022, James released yet another hit documentary, “Moment of Contact,” which investigates the 1996 Varginha UFO & Alien Sighting Incident. He is convinced not only that UFOs are real, but that governments have concealed information on this subject from the public for more than 65 years.

Moment of Contact: https://apple.co/3xPPwJN

The Phenomenon: https://amzn.to/41s7j7q

****TIMESTAMPS****

0:00 - James’ flight disaster

4:21 - James’ rise to prominence w/ The Phenomenon

11:44 - Why James went back to 1947 w/ UFO sightings

16:01 - Clinton, Rockefeller & the Roswell Incident

24:04 - Jesse Marcel & Thomas DeBose (**CLIP**)

27:02 - John Mack & The 1994 Zimbabwe School UFO Sighting (**CLIP**)

35:08 - UFOs & the Nuclear Missile Sites Pattern

38:57 - Senator Harry Reid’s admission on Alien Nuclear Pattern

43:18 - All UFO news a distraction?; Project Blue Book & The Lonnie Zamora Incident

50:18 - James interviews Richard Holder’s kids; Creature tape?

58:49 - DC Saucers?; Eisenhower & Aliens Conspiracy

1:05:56 - Al Chop’s flying saucer sighting story

1:11:25 - CIA’s Robertson Panel

1:19:32 - The Aftermath of Lonnie Zamora’s sighting

1:25:53 - James reveals a report for the first time publicly

1:31:35 - James’ hunt for Zamora’s UFO metal shavings

1:39:31 - The fine line between skepticism & belief

1:44:37 - Why it’s narcissistic to assume we’re alone in Universe

1:52:00 - The Travis Walton Abduction Case

1:59:54 - What allegedly happened to Travis aboard UFO

2:05:34 - Witnesses emotional when revisisting sights of alien events

2:11:21 - Navy Pilot David Fravor & the Tic Tacs

2:15:59 - How does James keep all his information straight?

2:18:44 - Details on what’s next

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😔 [VIDEO] - Terminally-ill Black Ops Commander Ponders Death | Chris Cathers • #137 Feb 18, 2023

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Chris Cathers is a former Green Beret & CIA Paramilitary Specialist. Catchers did 12 deployments to 16 different countries over a span of two decades. Currently, Chris has a rare Stage 4 bone cancer due to chemical and waste exposure he experienced while serving abroad. His upcoming documentary, “Brother’s Keeper,” will address the PT5 epidemic among Veterans.

Episode 136 (Chris Cathers Part 1): https://spoti.fi/3KeaM3u

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****TIMESTAMPS****

0:00 - The Aftermath of John Zinn’s Mysterious tragedy

6:41 - Getting John’s body back from Jordan

12:58 - Exercise & Drinking Years

17:39 - Chris’ struggles with su1cide & how friend Ron saved his life

27:23 - Panic attacks, therapy, & quitting drinking

34:55 - Chris’ cancer diagnosis story

39:23 - The procedure that took Chris’ hip & leg; Mysterious cancers among overseas SF guys

45:47 - Chris’ positive attitude towards cancer

51:21 - “Professional suffering” and Chris’ insane workouts