Into the Bytecode

#52 – Michael Nielsen on being a wise optimist about science and technology Mar 27, 2025

This is my conversation with Michael Nielsen, scientist, author, and research fellow at the Astera Institute.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:06) cultivating optimism amid existential risks
- (00:07:16) asymmetric leverage
- (00:12:09) are "unbiased" models even feasible?
- (00:18:44) AI and the scientific method
- (00:23:23) unlocking AI's full power through better interfaces
- (00:30:33) sponsor: Splits
- (00:31:18) AIs, independent agents or intelligent tools?
- (00:35:47) autonomous military and weapons
- (00:42:14) finding alignment
- (00:48:28) aiming for specific moral outcomes with AI?
- (00:54:42) freedom/progress vs safety
- (00:57:46) provable beneficiary surveillance
- (01:04:16) psychological costs
- (01:12:40) the ingenuity gap

Links:
- Michael Nielsen: https://michaelnielsen.org/
- Michael Nielsen on X: https://x.com/michael_nielsen
- Michael's essay on being a wise optimist about science and technology: https://michaelnotebook.com/optimism/
- Michael's Blog: https://michaelnotebook.com/
- The Ingenuity Gap (Tad Homer-Dixon): https://homerdixon.com/books/the-ingenuity-gap/

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster: https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#51 – Jeffrey Quesnelle on Nous Research, large language models, and the human mind Mar 18, 2025

This is my conversation with Jeffrey Quesnelle, cofounder of Nous Research.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:08) working with new technologies
- (00:06:15) Nous Research origin story
- (00:14:08) open frontiers in research
- (00:26:07) fourier transforms for gradient compression
- (00:32:58) math behind distributed training
- (00:38:18) sponsor: Splits
- (00:39:02) neural networks history and fundamentals
- (00:51:29) the human mind and AI, hyperdimensional representation
- (01:01:15) intuition and reasoning
- (01:15:00) parallels with reinforcement learning
- (01:19:15) the cat is out of the bag
- (01:47:11) deeper mysteries

Links:
- Jeffrey Quesnelle: https://jeffq.com/
- Jeffrey Quesnelle on X: https://x.com/theemozilla
- Nous Research: https://nousresearch.com/
- Psyche: https://nousresearch.com/nous-psyche/

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster: https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer:
This podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#50 – Alexander Long on Pluralis Research and protocol learning for frontier models Feb 25, 2025

This is my conversation with Alexander Long, Founder & CEO of Pluralis Research.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:00:55) collaborative training
- (00:09:49) economics of training
- (00:13:10) what is protocol learning?
- (00:20:48) protocol learning design and politics
- (00:33:39) sponsor: Splits
- (00:34:22) hardware requirements
- (00:41:53) adapting to the landscape
- (00:49:53) open and closed models
- (00:52:52) market structure with fully open models
- (00:56:34) research and risks
- (01:02:19) labor and national security
- (01:10:58) looking to the future
- (01:14:20) outro

Links:
- Alexander on X: https://x.com/_alexanderlong
- Alexander on Github: https://github.com/AlexanderJLong
- Article 2: Protocol Learning, Protocol Models and the Great Convergence: https://www.pluralisresearch.com/p/article-2-protocol-learning-protocol
- Decentralized Training Looms: https://www.pluralisresearch.com/p/decentralized-ai-looms

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#49 – Jim Posen on cryptographic acceleration with Binius Feb 13, 2025

This is my conversation with Jim Posen, the Cofounder and CTO at Irreducible.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:12) getting deeper into cryptography
- (00:07:06) revisiting binary fields
- (00:15:50) building the verifiable internet
- (00:26:14) sponsor: Splits
- (00:26:57) revival of binary fields
- (00:38:55) Binius
- (00:42:46) bringing Binius to production
- (00:48:27) creating new hardware
- (00:53:57) getting to v1
- (01:02:03) Ethereum stateless proofs and zkVMs
- (01:13:21) outro

Links:
- Jim on X: https://x.com/jimpo_potamus
- Jim on Github: https://github.com/jimpo
- Irreducible: https://www.irreducible.com/
- Binius: a Hardware-Optimized SNARK: https://www.irreducible.com/posts/binius-hardware-optimized-snark
- Binary Tower Fields are the Future of Verifiable Computing: https://www.irreducible.com/posts/binary-tower-fields-are-the-future-of-verifiable-computing

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#48 – Michael Bentley on Euler, credit, and natural selection Jan 10, 2025

This is my conversation with Michael Bentley, the cofounder and CEO of Euler and previously a dynamical systems postdoctoral research associate at Oxford.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:11) early DeFi and experiencing the 2008 crash
- (00:06:52) interest rate design and PIDs
- (00:20:40) risk management
- (00:28:27) sponsor: Splits
- (00:29:10) macro view of the world
- (00:32:27) the fundamental importance of credit
- (00:35:47) Euler protocol design
- (00:39:08) modularity and integration
- (00:54:40) network topology
- (01:10:55) natural selection and dynamical systems
- (01:26:33) outro

Links:
- Michael on X: https://x.com/euler_mab
- Michael on Medium: https://medium.com/@euler-mab
- Michael Bentley on the evolution of lending protocols: https://youtu.be/TW9Tv2Y0fkw
- Euler: https://www.euler.finance

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#47 – Jake Chervinsky on regulations from first principles Dec 23, 2024

This is my conversation with Jake Chervinsky, Chief Legal Officer at Variant, and previously the Chief Policy Officer at Blockchain Association and General Counsel at Compound Labs.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:01:15) ELI5: how the US government works
- (00:10:44) DOGE and the powers of the executive
- (00:19:27) DUNAs, DAOs, and decentralized governance
- (00:27:55) how the law reacts to new technology
- (00:40:19) sponsor: Splits
- (00:41:02) incentives and philosophies of regulators
- (00:48:10) lobbying and goals for the next administration
- (01:01:58) advice for crypto founders
- (01:13:39) personal motivations
- (01:19:30) outro

Links:
- Jake on X: https://x.com/jchervinsky
- Variant Fund: https://variant.fund/
- DeFi Education Fund: https://www.defieducationfund.org/
- Fairshake PAC: https://www.fairshakepac.com/
- Blockchain Association: https://theblockchainassociation.org/

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#46 – Andrew Miller on TEEs, account delegation, research, and the early days in Bitcoin Dec 16, 2024

This is my conversation with Andrew Miller who is working on product at Teleport, and is also Associate Director at IC3 and Board Member at the Zcash Foundation.

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) intro
- (00:00:59) from bitcoin research to privacy, ZKPs, and MPC
- (00:13:23) trust models and threat vectors to TEEs
- (00:21:16) what is possible with trustless TEEs?
- (00:38:37) TEEs-based internet agents
- (00:45:41) Dstack, a p2p architecture for TEEs
- (00:52:50) learnings as a researcher
- (00:58:42) sponsor: Splits
- (00:59:25) pathfinding in research
- (01:06:11) 2011 bitcoin unboxing and the early bitcoin ecosystem
- (01:17:54) vision for the future
- (01:21:22) outro

Links:
- Andrew on X: https://x.com/socrates1024
- Andrew on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Socrates1024
- Andrew's research: https://soc1024.ece.illinois.edu
- Personal site: https://soc1024.com
- Zero Trust Execution Environments paper: https://writings.flashbots.net/ZTEE
- Zcash Foundation: https://zfnd.org
- IC3: https://www.ic3.gov

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#45 – Quintus Kilbourn on TEEs and Secure Hardware Dec 06, 2024

This is my conversation with Quintus Kilbourn, researcher at Flashbots and currently working on Trusted Execution Environments (TEEs).

Timestamps:
- (00:00:00) - intro
- (00:01:06) - what is a TEE
- (00:12:23) - TEE use cases: one-shot transactions, autonomous AI agents
- (00:25:27) - unbreakable hardware enclaves
- (00:41:14) - physical hardware access as a threat vector
- (00:47:20) - sponsor: Splits
- (00:48:04) - defending against physical attacks
- (00:55:57) - resources focused on TEEs
- (01:10:25) - defending against supply chain attacks
- (01:19:34) - hardware imaging
- (01:28:48) - the roadmap
- (01:32:53) - outro

Links:
- Quintus on X: https://x.com/0xQuintus
- Flashbots: https://www.flashbots.net/
- ZTEE: https://writings.flashbots.net/ZTEE

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#44 – Markus Haas on ethOS and building a crypto-native device Nov 29, 2024

This is my conversation with Markus Haas, the CEO of Freedom Factory and cocreator of the dGEN1.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:28) - ethOS origin story
(00:07:54) - the vision and values
(00:09:56) - the need for an alternative to iOS and Android
(00:15:30) - sponsor: Splits
(00:16:14) - building on GrapheneOS
(00:28:32) - dGEN1, an everyday carry device
(00:37:05) - what's next for ethOS?
(00:43:02) - the company, funding, profitability
(00:49:00) - outro

Links:
- Markus on X: https://x.com/mhaas_eth
- ethOS on X: https://x.com/EthereumPhone
- GrapheneOS: https://grapheneos.org/
- Freedom Factory website: https://www.freedomfactory.io/

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#43 – Uma Roy on Succinct, STARKs, and zkVM architecture Oct 23, 2024

This is my conversation with Uma Roy, cofounder and CEO of Succinct.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:57) - origin story
(00:02:19) - SP1 architecture
(00:09:43) - STARKs, FRI, and hash-based cryptography
(00:15:09) - recursion
(00:21:12) - upgrading the proof system
(00:33:11) - sponsor: Splits
(00:33:54) - security in ZK systems
(00:37:46) - converting optimistic rollups into zk rollups
(00:43:39) - zkVM vs custom circuits
(00:48:48) - ZK for scaling and interoperability
(01:00:24) - the lifecycle of a proof
(01:06:26) - hardware
(01:10:57) - outro

Links
- Uma on X: https://x.com/pumatheuma
- Succinct on X: https://x.com/succinctlabs

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
- Splits: https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#42 – Andrew Huang on Conduit and scaling onchain compute Oct 18, 2024

This is my conversation with Andrew Huang, the founder and CEO of Conduit.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:42) - onchain and cloud compute
(00:05:20) - parallel execution
(00:09:08) - the application's perspective
(00:16:14) - scaling the sequencer
(00:26:52) - sponsor: Splits
(00:27:36) - interoperability
(00:33:11) - rollup economics
(00:42:33) - moving from tech to crypto
(00:47:43) - Georgios Konstantopoulos
(00:52:02) - outro

Links:
Andrew Huang: https://x.com/KAndrewHuang
Conduit: https://www.conduit.xyz
Conduit on X: https://x.com/conduitxyz

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
Splits - https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#41 – Georgios Konstantopoulos on Reth, engineering management, and feedback loops Sep 30, 2024

This is my conversation with Georgios Konstantopoulos, General Partner and CTO at Paradigm.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:47) - iterating on rollups
(00:07:52) - Reth architecture
(00:25:44) - sponsor: Splits
(00:26:27) - feedback loops with performance, stability, extensibility
(00:36:14) - feedback loops with the team
(00:49:17) - writing for thinking
(00:54:47) - the big vision
(01:10:49) - outro

Links:
Georgios Konstantopoulos on X - https://x.com/gakonst
Georgios Konstantopoulos on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gakons
Paradigm on X - https://x.com/paradigm
Tailscale Blog: The New Internet - https://tailscale.com/blog/new-internet

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
Splits - https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
Sina Habibian on X - https://twitter.com/sinahab
Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
Into the Bytecode - https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#40 – Vitalik Buterin on political philosophy in the 21st century Sep 20, 2024

This is my conversation with Vitalik Buterin, creator of Ethereum.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:33) - the crypto lens on political philosophy
(00:15:12) - the transition from the 20th to the 21st century
(00:24:29) - sponsor: Splits
(00:25:12) - the dimensions of uncertainty
(00:46:14) - the duality between being idealistic and effective
(00:58:46) - outro

Links:
Vitalik Buterin on X - https://x.com/VitalikButerin
Vitalik Buterin on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/vitalik.eth
Vitalik Buterin on making sense in a changing world - https://www.intothebytecode.com/26-vitalik
Vitalik Buterin on retroactive public goods funding - https://www.intothebytecode.com/1-vitalik-buterin-karl-floersch-retroactive-public-goods-funding

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
Splits - https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
Sina Habibian on X - https://twitter.com/sinahab
Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
Into the Bytecode - https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#39 – Eric Alston on the US constitution Sep 18, 2024

This is my conversation with Eric Alston, faculty director at the Leeds School of Business at CU Boulder and research associate with the Comparative Constitutions Project.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - intro
(01:29) - choice in institutions matters
(08:53) - secondary rules as rules for making rules
(17:41) - constitutional moments
(20:41) - how the US constitution has endured
(28:39) - the characteristics of the US constitution
(34:18) - sponsor: Splits
(35:01) - the economic balance between federal/state govts
(47:24) - presidential vs parliamentary systems
(01:01:13) - blockchains as experimental ground for governance
(01:13:50) - outro

Links:
Eric Alston - https://x.com/incompleterules
Eric Alston on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/eric-alston

Thank you to our sponsor for making this podcast possible:
Splits – https://splits.org

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer:
This podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#38 – BaseCamp 001: Jesse Pollak (Base), Ben Leventhal (Blackbird), Julian Holguin (Doodles), Yele Bademosi (Onboard) Aug 13, 2024

This is my conversation with Jesse Pollak (creator of Base), Ben Leventhal (founder/CEO of Blackbird), Julian Holguin (CEO of Doodles), and Yele Bademosi (cofounder/CEO of Onboard).

Timestamps:

(00:00) - intro
(00:50) - Jesse Pollak, Base
(09:41) - how the Base team is structured
(17:25) - how the mission and strategy came together
(27:43) - the focus in year two
(35:38) - Ben Leventhal, Blackbird
(39:35) - the restaurant P&L
(43:36) - identity and payments
(51:25) - Flynet as an L3
(53:11) - building an economy
(55:46) - the current era of crypto
(57:27) - Julian Holguin, Doodles
(59:40) - the status quo and the new model
(01:09:36) - people want to be a part of something
(01:18:22) - Yele Bademosi, Onboard
(01:23:48) - being an entrepreneur in Nigeria
(01:29:34) - building Onboard
(01:34:45) - outro

Links:
Jesse Polak - https://x.com/jessepollak
Base - https://www.coinbase.com/, https://x.com/base
Ben Leventhal - https://x.com/benleventhal
Blackbird - https://www.blackbird.xyz/, https://x.com/blackbird_xyz
Julian Holguin - https://x.com/jholguin
Doodles - https://www.doodles.app/, https://x.com/doodles
Yele Bademosi - https://x.com/YeleBademosi
Onboard - https://www.onboard.xyz/, https://x.com/OnboardGlobal

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#37 – Colin Armstrong: Paragraph, writing onchain Jul 31, 2024

This is my conversation with Colin Armstrong, the founder of Paragraph.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:49) - Substack network effects
(00:03:53) - new business models
(00:15:32) - the content layer and the economic layer
(00:21:18) - sponsor: Privy
(00:22:34) - mechanisms to think about as a writer
(00:29:32) - markets and social networks as forces of chaos
(00:33:42) - building for the crypto-native vs the general audience
(00:40:43) - emails vs wallets
(00:48:23) - ARPU is higher in crypto
(00:51:52) - algorithm for finding product-market fit
(00:57:10) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:58:15) - focus + urgency
(01:02:51) - learnings from Google
(01:07:58) - creating is fulfilling
(01:11:35) - outro

Links:
Colin Armstrong on X - https://x.com/colinarms
Colin Armstrong on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/colin
Paragraph - https://paragraph.xyz/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#36 – Justin Glibert: from Economicus to Ludens Jul 15, 2024

This is my conversation with Justin Glibert, CEO of Lattice and cofounder of 0xPARC.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:44) - digital physics
(00:06:27) - changing physics + capitalism = theme parks
(00:16:12) - objective functions are political
(00:22:53) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:23:58) - individual agency
(00:27:25) - violence on the internet
(00:39:17) - monoliths
(00:47:24) - sponsor: Privy
(00:48:40) - value systems
(00:58:34) - homo economicus and homo ludens
(01:10:50) - Emissary’s guide to worlding
(01:16:55) - reading weird books
(01:28:49) - outro

Links:
Justin Glibert - https://x.com/justinglibert
Lattice - https://lattice.xyz/
0xPARC - https://0xparc.org/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#35 – Jonny Mack: Hypersub, building for the crypto-native creator Jul 10, 2024

This is my conversation with Jonny Mack, Cofounder of Fabric and Hypersub.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:05) - motivations
(00:05:43) - pooled capital for shared ownership and upside
(00:09:24) - the computer and the casino, the purist and the tourist
(00:13:59) - sponsor: Privy
(00:15:15) - $higher, memecoins, cashflow, headless brands
(00:24:38) - STP, Hypersub, minting time
(00:32:29) - onchain memberships are legible
(00:40:55) - creators are multi-dimensional
(00:46:21) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:47:25) - a network of networks
(00:53:11) - authentic communities
(00:59:31) - the difference between punk and hip hop, revenue vs GDP
(01:06:41) - building in public is native to the medium
(01:16:15) - outro

Links:
Jonny Mack - https://x.com/_nonlinear
Hypersub - https://hypersub.withfabric.xyz/
Fabric - https://withfabric.xyz/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#34 – Stephane Gosselin: OneBalance, credible accounts and credible commitments Jun 24, 2024

This is my conversation with Stephane Gosselin, cofounder of Flashbots, Frontier Research, and OneBalance.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:29) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:02:34) - my existential question about crypto
(00:07:13) - global consensus is the problem
(00:14:27) - architecting a new system
(00:21:56) - OneBalance and Credible Accounts
(00:29:39) - credible commitment machines
(00:34:20) - sponsor: Privy
(00:35:35) - the user issues permissions for solvers
(00:37:06) - the trust model
(00:42:20) - the CAKE framework and the Credible stack
(00:47:59) - privacy
(00:54:54) - global consensus blockchains and LLM foundation models
(00:58:55) - a company is a mirror on your state of being
(01:08:26) - having a strong why
(01:17:46) - outro

Links:
Stephane Gosselin - https://x.com/thegostep
OneBalance - http://onebalance.io
Frontier Research - https://frontier.tech/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#33 – Molly Mackinlay: building Filecoin Jun 13, 2024

This is my conversation with Molly Mackinlay, Head of Engineering, Product, and Research Development at Protocol Labs, and CEO at FilOz.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:59) - sponsor: Privy
(00:03:15) - motivation
(00:09:30) - exabytes of network capacity
(00:12:11) - edge computing, bringing compute to data
(00:14:26) - the history of IPFS, libp2p, IPLD, Filecoin, FVM, L2s and IPC
(00:20:08) - designing incentives in Filecoin
(00:25:11) - designing the block rewards curve
(00:27:28) - progress through time
(00:31:19) - learnings from building production systems,
(00:34:15) - EVM-compatibility, future-proofing and network upgrades
(00:43:51) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:44:56) - IPC, L2 scaling on Filecoin
(00:48:55) - architecting applications on subnets
(00:54:12) - business models on subnets
(00:57:27) - the interface between a subnet and the internet
(01:04:41) - FilOz as a public goods amplifier
(01:07:10) - opening up the Protocol Labs network
(01:12:23) - Edge Esmeralda, field building, neurotech, and education
(01:21:04) - outro

Links:
Molly Mackinlay - https://x.com/momack28
Protocol Labs - https://protocol.ai
Filecoin - https://filecoin.io
FilOz - https://www.filoz.org
InterPlanetary Consensus - https://www.ipc.space/
Textile Basin - https://basin.textile.io/
web3.storage - https://web3.storage/
Filecoin Virtual Machine - https://fvm.filecoin.io/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice nor a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#32 – Rish: building infrastructure with Neynar May 17, 2024

This is my conversation with Rish, cofounder of Neynar, building infrastructure for Farcaster.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:51) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:03:01) - the idea maze for Neynar
(00:12:46) - exit, building blocks, and monetization models
(00:17:20) - how Neynar is architected
(00:21:52) - handling Frames Friday
(00:25:04) - scaling infrastructure by mapping requests to resources
(00:35:05) - sponsor: Privy
(00:36:25) - taking good risks as a startup
(00:41:55) - iteration and planning ahead, breadth vs depth-first search
(00:45:36) - the channel protocol spec
(00:51:26) - why build Frame Studio
(00:56:55) - companies become extensions of their founders
(01:05:53) - working on the Base team
(01:10:28) - having a tight feedback loop with users
(01:15:18) - cofounder relationship with Manan
(01:19:25) - outro

Links:
Rish - https://warpcast.com/rish
Neynar - https://neynar.com

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#31 – Sreeram Kannan: building the verifiable cloud May 08, 2024

This is my conversation with Sreeram Kannan, founder at EigenLayer.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:21) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:02:42) - the AVS economy
(00:05:24) - blockchains separate trust and innovation
(00:16:53) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:18:02) - specialized services and SaaS on EigenLayer
(00:24:50) - rollups are open verifiable web servers
(00:41:35) - rollup economics and business models
(01:55:14) - the transition from academic to builder/operator
(01:06:38) - impact per unit action
(01:10:26) - outro

Links:
Sreeram Kannan - https://twitter.com/sreeramkannan
EigenLayer - https://twitter.com/eigenlayer

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#30 – Doug Petkanics & Eric Tang: open video infrastructure May 06, 2024

This is my conversation with Doug Petkanics and Eric Tang, cofounders of Livepeer.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:45) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:03:55) - Livepeer origin story
(00:11:54) - FFmpeg and the video infrastructure stack
(00:17:07) - compute capacity and cost in open vs closed systems
(00:22:59) - GPUs as the supply side, working at NVIDIA
(00:40:27) - finding latent demand
(00:46:10) - sponsor: Privy
(00:47:30) - learnings on go-to-market, Livepeer Studio, AI video processing
(01:00:54) - AI subnets in the Livepeer network
(01:07:51) - doing whatever it takes to get it done
(01:13:19) - interacting with the market
(01:18:51) - the inner game
(01:24:30) - outro

Links:
Doug Petkanics - https://twitter.com/petkanics
Eric Tang - https://twitter.com/ericxtang
Livepeer - https://twitter.com/livepeer
Livepeer Studio - https://twitter.com/livepeerstudio

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#29 – Martin Köppelmann: AI agents as onchain actors Mar 26, 2024

This is my conversation with Martin Köppelmann, cofounder of Gnosis.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:47) - sponsor: Privy
(00:03:08) - Gnosis Pay as an onchain bank account
(00:13:49) - security, passkeys and recovery
(00:21:19) - privacy, Tornado Cash
(00:28:25) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:29:35) - AI agents as a new form of life
(00:36:43) - training with prediction markets as RLHF
(00:46:00) - agents and prediction markets as interconnected concepts
(00:56:21) - why now for prediction markets
(01:09:08) - outro

Show notes:
Martin Köppelmann - https://twitter.com/koeppelmann
Prediction Prophet, an agent by Polywrap in collaboration with Autonolas and Gnosis - https://predictionprophet.ai/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#28 – Varun Srinivasan: Farcaster, building a decentralized social network Mar 01, 2024

This is my conversation with Varun Srinivasan - cofounder of Merkle Manufactory, the company building the Farcaster protocol and the Warpcast client.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:34) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:02:44) - Farcaster origins
(00:05:59) - sufficient decentralization, namespaces, hubs and CRDTs
(00:16:02) - type 1 vs type 2 decisions
(00:21:23) - the protocol, channels, clients, spam
(00:30:13) direct messaging and end-to-end encryption
(00:36:38) - a turing complete social protocol
(00:41:58) - sponsor: Privy
(00:43:19) - why frames
(00:52:14) - Facebook, Twitter, Farcaster
(01:03:25) - backstory, growing up in India, Microsoft, YC
(01:08:11) - learnings from Coinbase
(01:15:13) - building a company
(01:18:53) - doing the one thing that matters
(01:28:07) - outro

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#27 – Rebecca Rettig & Michael Mosier: genuine DeFi as critical infrastructure Feb 20, 2024

This is my conversation with Rebecca Rettig and Michael Mosier. Rebecca is the Chief Legal and Policy Officer at Polygon Labs. Michael is cofounder of Arktouros and partner at Ex Ante.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:38) - sponsor: Privy
(00:02:59) - Rebecca's background, the Silk Road case, Aave, Polygon
(00:07:22) - Michael's background, Department of Justice, FinCEN, Espresso Systems, the White House, ex/ante
(00:15:12) - the current regulatory regime, Bank Secrecy Act, sanctions laws, miners/validators
(00:29:30) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:30:40) - genuine DeFi vs onchain CeFi, critical infrastructure
(00:44:54) - Uniswap contracts, app vs protocol, wallet risk scoring, OFAC, Lazarus Group
(00:54:19) - the Security Alliance (SEAL), white hats, working with the FBI
(01:08:04) - why do this work, the ability to innovate in the US is a freedom
(01:12:13) - crypto policy bootcamp
(01:14:00) - outro

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

#26 – Vitalik Buterin: making sense in a changing world Feb 09, 2024

This is my conversation with Vitalik Buterin, creator of Ethereum.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:07) - sponsor: Optimism
(00:02:17) - micro prediction markets, community notes, AIs as participants
(00:14:13) - decentralized social networks, zk identity, Dark Forest, and Frogcrypto
(00:25:54) - the dense jungle
(00:30:08) - sponsor: Privy
(00:31:29) - political instability, technology
(00:34:16) - coordination and technology in climate
(00:36:13) - AI, debugging and drawing, agency, security
(00:44:02) - timeline for the singularity
(00:52:36 ) -living to a 1000 years old
(00:54:00) - brain-computer interfaces
(01:02:15) - Lojban

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Hart Lambur: UMA, Across, Oval, and MEV capture for protocols Jan 24, 2024

This is my conversation with Hart Lambur. We talk about Hart's path in building UMA (an oracle using schelling points to bring data onchain), Across (an intents-based bridge connecting ETH/L2s), and now Oval (MEV capture for oracle price updates).

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - Intro
(00:01:29) - Sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:02:50) - The idea maze, Goldman Sachs, RFQ systems, legal vs smart contracts
(00:11:03) - UMA, schelling point and optimistic oracle
(00:16:41) - Raising the seed round
(00:19:38) - Across, intent-based bridging architecture
(00:30:42) - Sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:31:52) - Oval
(00:46:15) - MEV capture for protocols
(01:01:22) - Outro

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Jesse Pollak: Base, Coinbase's path to building an L2 Jun 07, 2023

This is my conversation with Jesse Pollak. He led retail engineering at Coinbase for many years — building Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, and Coinbase Wallet. More recently, he is leading the development of Base, Coinbase's L2 built on the OP Stack.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:43) - sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:03:07) - motivation behind Base
(00:11:12) - pitching Base to the Coinbase exec team
(00:14:24) - challenges of innovating on a schedule
(00:17:54) - failing repeatedly to find the right answer
(00:22:09) - decision to build an L2 with Michael
(00:23:30) - convincing Surojit Chatterjee, Coinbase’s CPO
(00:24:59) - launching Base internally
(00:31:58) - blockchains as serverless compute
(00:36:53) - uniswap as a serverless API for currency conversion
(00:39:30) - the power of small but leveraged teams
(00:42:31) - how to straddle product building in the onchain and offchain world
(00:45:25) - sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:51:22) - the significance of THIS moment in Crypto
(00:53:56) - getting a 100M devs and 1B users onchain
(00:57:02) - how the NFT UX will change with Base
(01:10:13) - how crypto will be incorporated in applications
(01:14:00) - the risk of onchain heterogeneity
(01:17:27) - building privacy-oriented onchain platforms
(01:26:00) - upgrading the financial system
(01:28:33) - attending Quaker School
(01:34:43) - relentless positivity in life
(01:38:47) - building a better future

Jesse Pollak:
jesse.xyz on ETH - https://jesse.xyz/
Twitter - https://twitter.com/jessepollak
Github - https://github.com/jessepollak

Links:
Base - https://base.org/
Coinbase - https://www.coinbase.com/
Brian Armstrong - https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong
Surojit Chatterjee Coinbase’s CPO - https://www.coinbase.com/blog/welcome-surojit-chatterjee-coinbases-chief-product-officer
OP Stack - https://stack.optimism.io/
Uniswap - https://uniswap.org/
Goldfinch - https://goldfinch.finance/
Zora - https://zora.co/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Produced by - https://spectral.to

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Liam Horne: Optimism, and why scaling Ethereum matters Jun 02, 2023

This is my conversation with Liam Horne, former CEO and advisor to Optimism Labs.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:00:59) - sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:03:35) - early influences, classmates with Vitalik in Waterloo
(00:08:31) - Ethereum's potential and why scalability matters
(00:10:06) - learning from Jeff Coleman
(00:17:23) - defining a common language
(00:21:06) - importance of community in Ethereum
(00:26:34) - hackathons lead to progress
(00:31:36) - collaboration as a core ETH value
(00:38:30) - humility and collective learning
(00:47:27) - building a public good
(00:53:07) - building Optimism with Ethereum values
(01:09:27) - sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(01:17:41) - decentralization is a journey
(01:20:59) - staying true to your principles
(01:32:51) - building something new is difficult
(01:36:28) - Jing Wang
(01:42:10) - Georgios Konstantopoulos

Links:
University of Waterloo - https://uwaterloo.ca/
(Almost) Everything you need to know about Optimistic Rollup by Georgios Konstantopoulos - https://www.paradigm.xyz/2021/01/almost-everything-you-need-to-know-about-optimistic-rollup
ETHGlobal - https://ethglobal.com/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Produced by https://spectral.to

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Aya Miyaguchi: reflections on Ethereum and the Ethereum Foundation May 25, 2023

This is my conversation with Aya Miyaguchi, Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:20) - sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
(00:02:32) - reflecting on early days of Ethereum
(00:08:54) - Ethereum as an Infinite Garden
(00:19:08) - books and ideas that influenced Aya
(00:24:48) - the insignificance of titles
(00:31:56) - what does “Executive Director of the Ethereum Foundation” mean?
(00:40:27) - the “teacher” mindset and how it applies to management
(00:47:18) - the importance of diversity
(00:51:35) - sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
(00:52:57) - the idea of subtraction and how it plays out in practice
(01:05:46) - funding in a non-profit context
(01:08:42) - why it’s difficult to describe the potential of Ethereum
(01:16:40) - embracing imperfection
(01:20:37) - learning from (un)natural disasters
(01:33:14) - what the 'next billion' means for Ethereum
(01:42:53) - Ethereum in emerging economies
(01:49:03) - outro

Links:
Finite and Infinite Games by James Carse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games
Aya on Executing with Subtraction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noXPewi5qOk
Ethereum Foundation - https://ethereum.org/en/foundation/

Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
Optimism - https://optimism.io
Privy - https://privy.io

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Dan Romero: Farcaster, building a decentralized social network Nov 04, 2022

This is my conversation with Dan Romero about Farcaster - a decentralized social network being developed as an open protocol.

We talked about how product decisions in social networks have ripple effects on society, Farcaster’s strategy in the highly competitive world of social products, and Dan's personal philosophies around hiring and team building.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:02:08) - why this problem?
(00:12:54) - both product and protocol
(00:23:41) - the algorithmic feed
(00:29:40) - Farcaster’s strategy for competing with Twitter
(01:00:52) - approach to team building
(01:14:41) - how to use social networks, and meme’ing

Links:
Dan Romero - https://twitter.com/dwr
Farcaster - https://www.farcaster.xyz/
Farcaster docs - https://github.com/farcasterxyz/protocol
Varun - https://twitter.com/varunsrin
Keybase - https://keybase.io/

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Jango & Nnnnicholas: Juicebox, programming internet-native organizations Sep 28, 2022

This is my conversation with Jango and Nnnnicholas from Juicebox Protocol. Juicebox is a playful but ambitious project: the DAO operates as a full-stack instantiation of the protocol it's building, and fully reconceptualizes the relationship between contributors and shareholders. It has powered projects like SharkDAO, ConstitutionDAO, and AssangeDAO in the past.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:37) - an alternative to traditional org structures
(00:09:53) - philosophical alignment
(00:27:30) - the key mechanisms of the Juicebox Protocol
(00:35:51) - fundraising mechanics and the extensibility of Juicebox v2
(00:46:05) - a DAOs’s origins shape its culture
(00:54:46) - guiding principles for compensation
(01:02:06) - working backwards from the future
(01:12:11) - the subtraction philosophy and Ethereum as the Big Bang
(01:31:25) - StudioDAO and models for permissionless DAOs

Links:
Jango - https://twitter.com/me_jango
Nnnnicolas - https://twitter.com/nnnnicholas
Juicebox - https://juicebox.money/
Nouns - https://nouns.wtf/
StudioDAO - https://www.studiodao.xyz/
Juicecast podcast about StudioDAO - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-9-kenny-from-studiodao/id1623504302?i=1000576149672

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Nadia Asparouhova: on public goods & peer production Aug 31, 2022

Nadia Asparouhova is an independent researcher. She previously wrote about her research on open-source communities in "Working in Public", and more recently, has been researching the history of and approaches to philanthropy - which she defines with this phrase “if venture capital is risk capital for private goods, philanthropy is risk capital for public goods”.

In this conversation, we talked about public goods from this broader perspective. We talked about how previous generations have thought about this question, and how the tech ecosystem outside of crypto are grappling with this today. We talked about the second-order effects of wealth booms which have happened in both tech and crypto, how peer production happens, and the role that intrinsic versus extrinsic rewards might play in the development of crypto protocols.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:02:01) - working as an independent researcher
(00:06:09) - understanding wealth booms in tech and crypto
(00:13:01) - the unique perspectives of each successive community
(00:25:46) - the right (and wrong) question to ask
(00:34:41) - the landscape of public goods provisioning
(00:39:22) - innovative philanthropic funding models
(00:45:35) - the first wave of open source communities and crypto
(00:54:42) - different classes of stakeholders
(01:05:00) - research methodology and tools for thought

Links:
Nadia Asparouhova - https://twitter.com/nayafia
Nadia’s website - https://nadia.xyz/
“Working in Public” - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/
Gitcoin - https://gitcoin.co/

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Julien Niset: Argent, building on StarkNet, and a primer on account abstraction Aug 24, 2022

Julien Niset is the cofounder and Chief Science Officer at Argent, a crypto wallet that's used and loved by many people in the crypto ecosystem.
In this conversation, we talk about how Argent has evolved to get to where it is today. How Julien sees user experience evolving broadly in the ecosystem, and what the flow of a new person interacting with a crypto application for the first time might look like in the future.

Another topic we get into deeply is L2s, how Julien and Argent have thought about the topic of EVM equivalence and compatibility, and why they ultimately chose to build on ZK Rollups like ZkSync and StarkNet.

And lastly, we dive into what has been like to build on StarkNet, what the early community feels like today, what it's been like to write code in Cairo, and as a bit of a snapshot into this experience we do a deep dive into what account abstraction looks like on StarkNet.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:01:56) - leaning into zk rollups and account abstraction
(00:07:29) - scaling the self-custody experience
(00:13:20) - what onboarding users to crypto will look like in 3 years
(00:20:24) - some of the friction points that still need to be abstracted
(00:33:52) - L2s and the trade-offs between different rollups
(00:39:45) - is breaking EVM-equivalency worth it?
(00:48:01) - Julien’s experience in the StarkNet ecosystem
(00:58:24) - a technical primer on account abstraction
(01:15:38) - session keys
(01:28:17) - starting a sensible wallet set up from scratch

Links:
Julien Niset - https://twitter.com/jniset
Argent - https://www.argent.xyz/
StarkNet - https://starkware.co/starknet/
zkSync - https://zksync.io/
Topology - https://www.topology.gg/

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Pedro Gomes: WalletConnect v2, account abstraction, and building a communications protocol Aug 11, 2022

Pedro Gomes is the cofounder of WalletConnect, a communications protocol that enables wallets and apps to securely connect and interact.

In this conversation, We talked about WalletConnect v2 and its architecture, account abstraction, potential downstream effects of a crypto-native chat protocol, and other topics.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:08:00) - developing the user experience before creating the product
(00:10:23) - account abstraction and the spectrum of security and convenience
(00:20:39) - WalletConnect APIs and “Log in with Ethereum”
(00:28:55) - how WalletConnect works
(00:37:45) - light clients and generalized messaging protocols
(00:45:36) - the politics of making big changes to the Ethereum protocol
(00:50:14) - connecting wallets with WalletConnect Chat

Links:
WalletConnect - https://walletconnect.com/
EIP2938 (account abstraction) - https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938
WalletConnect APIs - https://docs.walletconnect.com/2.0

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Josh Stark: the Ethereum Foundation & Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains Jun 14, 2022

Here is my conversation with Josh Stark.

Josh has a long history in the Ethereum ecosystem going back to the early days of the community. He cofounded one of the first L2 scaling protocols with Counterfactual. He also cofounded ETHGlobal which is a much-loved series of hackathons/events that brings the community together and which acts as an entry point into the ecosystem for many people. And nowadays and most relevant to our conversation, he works in a leadership capacity at the Ethereum Foundation.

In this conversation, we talked about two topics: one being the Ethereum Foundation, and two being the question of why blockchain is matter — this being something that Josh has spent a lot of time thinking about and which he's written about in a long form piece titled Atoms Institutions Blockchains.

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) - intro
(00:03:50) - subtraction
(00:07:22) - creating a self-sufficient crypto ecosystem
(00:12:33) - the property of ‘hardness’ for blockchains
(00:17:47) - understanding decentralization
(00:23:11) - Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains
(00:26:00) - blind men and an elephant
(00:33:06) - our civilization’s infrastructure
(00:43:33) - digitally-native hardness
(00:59:38) - how the EF operates
(01:06:21) - challenges with decentralized coordination
(01:12:08) - infinite players have nothing but their names

Links:
Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains: https://stark.mirror.xyz/n2UpRqwdf7yjuiPKVICPpGoUNeDhlWxGqjulrlpyYi0

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

0age: Seaport, and protocol development with OpenSea Jun 02, 2022

0age is the Head of Protocol Development at OpenSea, and this was a conversation about Seaport, the new marketplace protocol for buying and selling NFTs.

0age takes us through a tour of the Seaport protocol, talking about how it's architected; how conduits and zones work; and we even get into the low level gas optimization work they've done on the contracts. I hope this can be a helpful resource for anyone looking to understand the Seaport protocol or anyone who's building with NFTs more broadly. I also consider 0age to be a true veteran of the space, and hearing him talk through the design of the protocol can be an educational experience in its own rights.

Timestamps:
(00:01:42) - why build Seaport
(00:10:20) - the Seaport architecture
(00:12:44) - EIP712 signatures
(00:14:17) - the global concept of a nonce
(00:16:02) - EIP1271 and bulk listings
(00:17:18) - the Executor and conduits
(00:25:08) - zones, additional rules that can be applied on top of an order
(00:29:47) - implementing English auctions via zones
(00:32:17) - layers of the stack
(00:36:05) - fulfillment
(00:40:42) - gas optimizations and understanding the low-level behavior of the EVM
(00:58:40) - the interaction between OpenSea the product and Seaport the protocol
(01:07:06) - criteria based items, and partial fills
(01:17:50) - ideas to build on top of Seaport

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Charles St.Louis: Element Finance, and voting vaults as a primitive May 24, 2022

Charles St.Louis is the COO at Element Finance, a protocol for fixed and variable rate yield markets and previously the governance architect at MakerDAO. In this conversation, we talked about Element’s governance system - with a particular focus on voting vaults, a powerful new primitive that decouple the relationship between capital and voting power and allow much more expressiveness in how users are given a governance voice in the ecosystem.

Timestamps:
(00:02:54) - MakerDAO’s arc of decentralization
(00:07:51) - how Maker influenced Element’s design
(00:10:22) - the Governance Steering Council
(00:21:25) - voting vaults
(00:29:10) - L1 and L2 for governance
(00:33:23) - qualitative evaluation for contributions
(00:37:50) - the ElFiverse and NFTs in the Element community
(00:42:24) - on being a protocol delegate

Links:
The Governance Steering Council - https://medium.com/element-finance/the-governance-steering-council-63aea7732262
Voting Vaults - https://docs.element.fi/governance-council/council-protocol-smart-contracts/voting-vaults
The Elfiverse - https://elfiverse.element.fi/

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Henri Stern: Privy, building for data privacy and security May 19, 2022

Here is my conversation with Henri Stern who is building Privy.
Henri was previously a research scientist at Protocol Labs and worked on Filecoin’s consensus protocol. And after many years of thinking through problems related to data privacy and security, he recently co-founded a new company called Privy where they provide a suite of API tools to store and manage user data off chain.

In this conversation, we talked through a set of topics that Henri has a unique point of view on — starting with the question around the seeming trade-off between privacy/security on the one hand and UX/convenience on the other. We talked about principles he has in mind in designing an off-chain data system; how privy does encryption and key management; how they do permissioning; and how they think about data storage.

Timestamps:
(00:02:30) - designing the product/protocol roadmap
(00:10:30) - privacy/security vs. convenience
(00:19:27) - building an web3 application
(00:23:20) - decentralizing Privy
(00:32:09) - key management architecture
(00:46:11) - verifiability, transparency as a disinfectant
(00:59:02) - building a product with private data
(01:07:08) - cofounder relationship

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Matthew Chaim: Songcamp, immersive digital theatre May 05, 2022

Matthew Chaim is building a laboratory experimenting at the edges of music and web3.
It's called Songcamp, and right now they're running their third immersive experience. They're coming together with a group of musicians, visual designers, developers, and at the end of this process, will be releasing new music under the moniker of a single headless artist called Chaos.
I've been personally completely nerdsniped by Songcamp and think it’s one of the most beautiful corners of our web3 ecosystem.

Timestamps:
(00:01:08) - Songcamp a web3 laboratory
(00:03:27) - songwriting camps
(00:06:30) - imaginative language and lore
(00:11:12) - incentive alignment
(00:20:55) - selection and curation
(00:30:31) - immersive digital theatre
(00:36:18) - having fun
(00:38:03) - the power of IRL
(00:43:01) - what’s next
(00:51:37) - economic models for internet-native collectives

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Simon de la Rouviere: cc0, derivatives, and bottom-up storytelling Apr 28, 2022

Here is my conversation with Simon de la Rouviere.

Simon’s exploration of creative mechanism design through the years is documented on his blog. His contributions to the space range from seeding the idea of bonding curves and curation markets, to building one of the first creator platforms with Ujo, to writing a full length novel experimenting with different publishing models, to now working on bottom-up storytelling with Untitled Frontier.

In this conversation, we talked about cc0, designing NFT economies to welcome derivative works, bottom-up storytelling, and much more.

Timestamps:
(00:01:29) - How Simon got into the craft of storytelling
(00:06:25) - The lonely process of long-form content creation
(00:09:53) - Kishōtenketsu
(00:14:26) - Top-down vs. bottom-up storytelling
(00:21:52) - “The medium is the message.”
(00:27:17) - CC0, derivatives, Jenkins the Valet
(00:34:43) - Harberger Taxes and mechanism design
(00:39:51) - NFTs vs ERC20s for ownership and governance
(00:44:06) - New power structures

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Sound.xyz: web3 listening parties | David Greenstein, Matt Masurka (Gigamesh), & Vignesh Hirudayakanth Mar 01, 2022

Here is my conversation with David Greenstein, Matt Masurka (Gigamesh), & Vignesh Hirudayakanth, the cofounders at Sound.xyz.

Sound is a platform that helps musicians host listening parties and engage with their fans. It's a suite of tools that will grow over time to help musicians make a living using NFTs and other web3-native primitives.

I was particularly looking forward to this conversation since David, Matt, and Vignesh participated in Zeitgeist Season One and we got to work pretty closely together. They're moving fast and are working towards a beautiful vision of the world.

Timestamps:
(00:03:42) - Redefining engagement between artists and fans
(00:07:23) - MySpace, HypeMachine, Optimism, and Friends With Benefits
(00:12:50) - Using Discord DMs for recruiting
(00:16:53) - NFTs as the perfect medium for music patronage
(00:20:34) - Fair-play incentive structures for music
(00:26:25) - Differentiating the first fan and the millionth fan
(00:32:03) - The technical architecture underpinning Sound
(00:34:33) - Getting to market and building in public
(00:39:45) - Oshi breaks the website
(00:41:37) - The Daniel Allan EP
(00:42:14) - RAC and deploying to mainnet
(00:44:12) - Zeitgeist’s impact

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Mike Sall & Blake West: Goldfinch, uncollateralized loans in emerging markets. Feb 08, 2022

Mike Sall and Blake West are the founders of Goldfinch, a decentralized protocol facilitating uncollateralized credit.

“One of the borrowers is a company based in Uganda. They provide rent-to-own loans for motorcycle taxis to thousands of customers. They've borrowed $5m to expand their operations."

Thousands of people in countries like Uganda, India, and Brazil have been financed by Goldfinch loans through local lenders, largely without realizing crypto is the source of funds.

These local lenders are largely innovative fintechs in the global south, and have historically fallen into an uncanny valley — they need too much capital for what is available in their local financial markets, and too little capital to navigate foreign institutional markets.

Timestamps:
(00:03:09) - The 'lightbulb' moment
(00:08:20) - The financing gap for emerging-market borrowers
(00:13:04) - Borrower profiles; Tugende, DiviBank, and Greenway
(00:15:43) - Interfacing with Goldfinch
(00:20:37) - Crypto-native KYC and how UID works
(00:23:18) - Bottlenecks for the global adoption of crypto
(00:34:40) - Compliance requirements for Goldfinch in the United States
(00:45:25) - Compliance requirements for borrowers in emerging markets
(00:50:56) - Demographics of ‘Backers’
(00:52:43) - Incentive alignment and fraud-prevention
(01:03:53) - Learnings from shipping a production smart contract system
(01:15:01) - Launching GFI token and governance of the protocol
(01:26:04) - The macro point of view

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Justin Glibert: Ember, and building onchain games. Dec 24, 2021

The conversation on publishing today is the very first one I recorded for the podcast about six months ago. It's a conversation with Justin Glibert about patterns he's uncovered while building Ember (an onchain game) and Lattice (the engine behind the game) — patterns related to inflation and zero sum resources, spacial constraints, and user impersonation. I hope you enjoy.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Phillip Wang and Nate Foss: Gather, and building the open metaverse Nov 25, 2021

This is a conversation with Phillip Wang and Nate Foss two of the co-founders of Gather.

Gather is a video chat platform that puts you and the people you're communicating with in a virtual space - and gives you the ability to move around and interact with them based on your locations in that space, just like in real life. It's had a ton of traction over the last year and is being used by millions of people around the world. It's one of the coolest products I've personally used in recent memory.

As you will hear in this conversation, Phillip and Nate are two incredibly thoughtful and mission-oriented people — and they plan to build Gather into a progressively open and decentralized system. So in this conversation, we went deep on what this could actually look like. We talked about how Gather is architected under the hood and how they think about decentralizing the game engine and the tech stack. We talked about identity, login, and social graphs. We talked about business models. And lastly, we talked about the metaverse and the path dependence of how the future unfolds from here.

I hope you enjoy the conversation.

Links:
Gather's Websocket API - https://gathertown.notion.site/Gather-Websocket-API-bf2d5d4526db412590c3579c36141063

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Tracheopteryx: Yearn, Coordinape, and pseudonymity Nov 04, 2021

This is a conversation with Tracheopteryx about the evolution of Yearn, Coordinape, and pseudonymity.

Tracheopteryx has been a key leader in the Yearn Finance community since its legendary genesis event. In this conversation, we talk about key moments in Yearn's evolution with an eye towards takeaways that might be useful for other projects. We talk about the introduction of the multisig; the mint — a complex governance proposal where the community eventually chose to dilute themselves in order to reward core contributors; and constrained delegation - the governance framework that Trach helped design and which is operating in Yearn today.

The other big area we get into is Coordinape. Coordinape is a protocol for decentralizing compensation. It was designed and incubated inside of Yearn, and is now being built as an independent project.

Towards the end of the conversation, Trach tells the story behind his name and shares a perspective on becoming pseudonymous that has stayed with me since.

I hope you enjoy the conversation.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

John Palmer & Danny Aranda: PartyDAO, and shipping product as a DAO Oct 29, 2021

This is a conversation with John Palmer and Danny Aranda about PartyDAO and PartyBid - the product that lets people pool their funds and participate in NFT auctions as a team.

We dive deep into their experience building this project. We talk about what they see as the role of product vision in the DAO, how they think about hiring, the organizational design, the stack of tools they use to operate, and the legal structures they're considering. And that's not all — we also touched the role of community in NFTs, social investing, and what John and Danny see as interesting things to work on today.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Austin Griffith: building on Ethereum Oct 13, 2021

This is a conversation with Austin Griffith about his continued journey as a builder/educator, and learnings from onboarding thousands of developers onto Ethereum.

Austin is a friend and someone I've had the good fortune of working with extensively in our shared time at the Ethereum foundation. In this conversation, we take a tour through the different projects he's worked on over the last two years — starting with ETH.build (the graphical interface for working with smart contracts), moving to scaffold-eth (his development starter kit that has really taken off and been used by thousands of developers), and then moving onto the BUIDL GUIDL and the Moonshot Collective (DAO-like collections of developers who work on prototyping interesting new ideas). We also go down a few fun tangents around Loot, the Doge NFT, DAO tooling, and we get to hear a walkthrough of Austin's curriculum for bringing a new developer into the space.

I consider Austin to be a gem of the ecosystem, and feel lucky that we have him here. I hope you enjoy the conversation.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Gubsheep: Dark Forest, and building crypto-native games. Sep 30, 2021

This is a conversation with Gubsheep about Dark Forest and building crypto-native games.

Dark Forest is a uniquely crypto-native game, and embodies patterns that we can all learn from. It's a game that takes place in a procedurally-generated universe that's shared by all players, where the smart contracts enforce the rules of the game, but where they don't leak information about what each player is up to by using ZK SNARKs.

In this conversation, we talk about how Dark Forest uses ZK SNARKs to enable this core game mechanic, how it has organically built a community of players and developers, how early DAOs are participating in the games, how the game might interoperate with other games in the near future, and we also have a good discussion on Layer 2s and the trade-offs involved in choosing a scaling solution.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Danny Ryan & Tim Beiko: Eth1, Eth2, and the Merge Sep 20, 2021

My guests today are Tim Beiko and Danny Ryan - the lead coordinators for the Eth1 and Eth2 development efforts.

In this conversation, we go deep on the future of the Ethereum protocol together. We talk about the Merge (the transition from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake via the Beacon Chain - which is the most substantial Ethereum network upgrade to date, and happening sooner than many people realize), the cryptoeconomics of PoS, MEV, staking derivatives, and how protocol development works in practice.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

Vitalik Buterin & Karl Floersch: Retroactive Public Goods Funding Sep 10, 2021

This is a conversation with Vitalik Buterin and Karl Floersch. Vitalik is the creator of Ethereum, and Karl is a long-time Ethereum researcher who is working on Optimism (the Layer 2 optimistic rollup).

We begin the conversation with a focus on retroactive public goods funding - a compelling idea that Vitalik and Karl shared earlier this year. We then move onto topics like decoupling value creation and value capture, the sustainability of public goods, Ether's Phoenix (a play on Roko's Basilisk, the thought experiment which originated in the LessWrong community), and governance models as lying somewhere on the continuum from being exclusionary to being conformist. Towards the end of the conversation, we talk about personal tokens and new social network designs.

Into the Bytecode:
- Sina Habibian on X: https://twitter.com/sinahab
- Sina Habibian on Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
- Into the Bytecode: https://intothebytecode.com

Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

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