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    Interesting Times

    The first draft of our future. Mapping the new world order through interviews and conversations. Every Thursday, from New York Times Opinion.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

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    What the Frontier Labs Know That We Don’t Oct 15, 2026
    Show notes

    Dwarkesh Patel is one of the most important voices in the artificial intelligence world. Deeply embedded in San Francisco’s tech community, he has interviewed nearly every tech chief executive at length.

    This week’s guest host, Tyler Cowen, a professor of economics at George Mason University, sits down with Mr. Patel to discuss why researchers are resigning, whether A.I. could become conscious and if he’ll ever get an A.I. girlfriend.

    Note: As we work on relaunching “Interesting Times,” the show will feature a series of guest hosts in the coming months.

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:31 What Inspired the “Dwarkesh Podcast”
    • 02:47 Documenting Wild Human History
    • 04:18 What The Public Doesn’t Understand About A.I.
    • 06:25 The Mood in San Francisco
    • 06:51 Dwarkesh Didn’t See This Coming
    • 09:08 Should More A.I. Researchers Resign?
    • 11:09 Unreleased Frontier Models
    • 13:26 Pausing A.I.
    • 15:45 A.I. Psychosis & Consciousness
    • 21:14 What Tech Bros Do for Fun
    • 23:50 Bay Area Culture
    • 24:06 A.I. Boyfriends v. Girlfriends
    • 26:02 Are A.I. Therapists Good?
    • 26:54 What Dwarkesh Got Wrong
    • 27:44 What’s The Next Big Thing?
    • 29:13 Robot Predictions
    • 30:26 What Jobs Are Safe?
    • 35:21 The Speed of A.I. Adoption
    • 37:12 Milestones To Watch
    • 42:58 What If 2035 Looks Normal?
    • 44:39 Dwarkesh In 2045
    • 46:27 Skepticism On A.I. Revenue
    • 48:01 How Podcasting Has Changed Dwarkesh

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    That Daily Brain Rot Break Is Taking Us Back to the Dark Ages Oct 08, 2026
    Show notes

    Literacy is declining sharply across the West. In the era of vertical video, who has the time or concentration to read a long article — let alone a whole book?

    As we lose the ability to read long-form text, we might also be losing the capacity for democratic deliberation and self-governance. That’s the argument this week’s guest, the Times of London columnist James Marriott, makes in his recent book, “The New Dark Ages.” He sits down with guest host Mary Harrington to discuss our return to oral culture, the political consequences and what we can learn from the medieval era about storing information in a digital world.

    Note: As we work on relaunching “Interesting Times,” the show will feature a series of guest hosts in the coming months.

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 00:52 What Is Post-Literacy
    • 02:05 The Data Behind the Decline
    • 05:21 The Shift Toward Video
    • 09:44 Why Reading Is Hard
    • 10:45 Walter Ong on Oral vs. Literate Cultures
    • 14:27 Tribal Politics and Emotion
    • 18:21 The Reading Revolution
    • 21:14 Literacy as an Engine for Democracy
    • 25:15 Medieval Literary Culture
    • 27:27 What We Can Learn the Medieval Era
    • 30:13 Remembering Everything and Nothing
    • 33:49 How Bukele Communicates Visually
    • 37:04 Monarchy vs. Dictatorship
    • 41:38 Is Postliteracy a Right-Wing Phenomenon?
    • 43:29 Can We Resist the Slide?
    • 46:33 Closing

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    We Are Clueless About What’s Coming Oct 01, 2026
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    Nick Bostrom rose to prominence for predicting artificial intelligence doom more than a decade ago — garnering support from figures like Elon Musk, Sam Altman and Bill Gates. But now he’s retreating from those warnings, focusing his attention on a more complex question: What if A.I. succeeds beyond humanity’s wildest imaginations? Will we be bored out of our minds? Are we too infantile to understand what’s coming?

    Guest host Spencer Klavan, the associate editor at the Claremont Review of Books, presses Bostrom on the potential uses and abuses of superintelligence, rationalist ethics and what makes us human.

    Note: As we work on relaunching “Interesting Times,” the show will feature a series of guest hosts in the coming months.

    00:00 Intro
    01:07 What is P(doom)?
    04:44 Bostrom’s Doomsday Scenarios
    06:14 Vulnerable World Hypothesis
    08:27 The Best-Case Scenario of Superintelligence
    12:37 The Problems We Can’t Solve in Utopia
    14:47 Paths to Superintelligence
    17:02 What Kind of Utopia Do We Want to Live In?
    21:56 The Values Worth Keeping in Utopia
    32:42 Bostrom’s Influence on Effective Altruism
    38:04 Are Existential Warnings Helpful?
    43:52 The Trajectory of Humanity
    46:51 Why Bostrom Wants Utopia

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    How Worried Should We Be About the Midterm Elections? Sep 24, 2026
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    Many Americans are losing faith in elections. Proposed solutions from across the political spectrum to restore faith in the process — early voting, mail-in ballot restrictions and voter ID laws — seem to have the opposite effect.

    But lack of trust in elections is a symptom of a broader problem: America is living through an era of democratic dissatisfaction. That’s what the New York University law professor Richard Pildes argues on this episode of “Interesting Times.” He and the guest host, Sarah Isgur, the editor of SCOTUSblog, discuss why Americans are so worried about the midterms and how to fix our electoral system and restore trust.

    00:00 Existential Election Anxiety
    02:38 Era of Democratic Dissatisfaction
    04:21 Were Recent Election Reforms a Mistake?
    06:09 Campaign Finance Reform
    09:22 SCOTUS and Trump’s Mail-In Ballot Executive Order
    13:57 Why Did Trump Target Absentee Ballots?
    20:32 Should There Be a National Voter Database?
    23:58 Proof Of Citizenship Debate
    29:48 What Should SCOTUS Do?
    35:47 Partisan Manipulation in Elections
    42:24 Can the Midterms Be Stolen?
    44:51 Closing Thoughts

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat.


    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    Trump Is Getting Even Richer. Is That a Crime? Sep 10, 2026
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    President Trump made more than $2 billion last year — far exceeding his presidential salary of $400,000. His growing fortunes are raising questions about his allegiance to investors, particularly foreign ones, as he makes policy decisions and shapes the direction of the country.

    The contributing Opinion writer Christopher Caldwell and the Harvard law professor Jack Goldsmith discuss how the president has amassed this fortune, whether it’s legal and if the United States is becoming a kleptocracy.

    Note: As we work on relaunching 'Interesting Times,' the show will feature a series of guest hosts in the coming months.

    00:00 Why Trump’s Wealth Is Unusual
    01:30 Presidential Ethics Before Trump
    02:28 Trump’s Crypto and Foreign Money Flows
    06:12 Is It a Kleptocracy?
    07:36 What’s Unconstitutional About Trump’s Finances
    10:43 The U.A.E. and Trump’s Foreign Policy
    13:41 How Trump’s Weaponization Is Changing Government
    16:42 What Congress Could Do
    18:59 The Tit for Tat Weaponization
    24:13 Can Trump Pardon Himself?
    26:57 The “Deep-State” Crackdown
    36:59 Oversight Norms and Voter Verdict
    42:46 Closing Thoughts

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times.


    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    Ross Douthat and Ezra Klein on the Art of Persuasion Aug 27, 2026
    Show notes

    “Interesting Times” is on a brief hiatus. Before we return next month, we’re bringing you an interview from “The Ezra Klein Show” with Ross Douthat about his 17 years as a conservative columnist at The New York Times. But Ross and Ezra go back even further, to the nascent days of political blogging. They talk about the seismic changes they’ve witnessed in the media industry over the years and the art of changing minds.

    (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website here.)

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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    Introducing ‘Interesting Times’ Apr 06, 2025
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    There’s a saying that comes to mind these days: May you live in interesting times. It’s understood to be a curse, even though it sounds like a blessing.

    “Interesting Times With Ross Douthat” is a new weekly podcast from New York Times Opinion. Every Thursday, he will map the new world order through interviews and conversations. Answering questions like: What does our new political era really look like? What is the future of democracy around the world, with American empire in retreat? What happens to movies and books — all of culture — in our digital and A.I.-dominated age?

    Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com.

    Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.


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