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Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghy Oct 28, 2021

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Slaying Moloch, starting the first crypto art registry, Bowie Bonds, Data markets and data unions with Ocean Protocol's Trent McConaghy

Trent has been very influential to our thinking. There are few people who can talk with such fluency on matters we care about, even better build compelling alternatives.

In this we discuss how he and his wife Masha built the first crypto art registry, Ascribe, long before the concept of an NFT existed. We also discuss how his latest project Ocean Protocol proposes to hand us control of our data at the dawn of the next internet.

Follow Trent: https://twitter.com/trentmc0

Trent's Blog: http://trent.st/blog/

Ascribe: https://www.ascribe.io/

Ocean Protocol: https://oceanprotocol.com/

Swash: https://swashapp.io/

The Cold War For Information Technology with former Director of Iskra Delta Janez Skrubej Oct 27, 2021

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In conjunction with this years Ljubljana Biennial of Graphic Arts titled "Iskra Delta "curated by Tjaša Pogačar we interviewed Janez Skrubej, the author of "The Cold War For Information Technology: the Inside Story".

Inside indeed, as Janez was the former CEO of Iskra Delta, a major contender on the world stage for not only personal computers, but also large scale networked IT systems. Based within Tito’s Yugoslavia it was caught in the crosshairs in the cold war, working between the US, Soviet Union, China, and India, with each corresponding intelligence agency pushing their own agenda. Janez was the managing director during this time, and was personally paid visits by the presidents of the Soviet Union, China and India, as well as the CIA and KGB. Ultimately the conflicting interests overpowered the small IT company and it closed, leaving Europe without a major contender in the global IT race.

It’s a treat to speak to Janez about this extraordinary situation, and to imagine an alternative history where Iskra Delta might have had a fighting chance.

Read The Cold War for Information Technology: The Inside Story: https://www.amazon.com/Cold-War-Information-Technology-Inside-ebook/dp/B00C1NWL2E

Follow Janez Skrubej updates: http://sbpra.com/janezskrubej/

We cannot wait to see this film! http://senca-studio.si/en/portfolio/sparks-in-time/

Check out the Ljubljana Biennale of Graphic arts, with contributions by Other Internet, John Akomfrah, Simon Denny, Josh Citarella, us and more!: https://34.bienale.si/en/

Bringing the music industry on-chain with Bruno Guez (Revelator) Oct 12, 2021

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Hi everyone!! We often have discussions on here about web 3 representing a real opportunity for the independent music industry, and Bruno Guez is an expert on how that might end up transpiring, from his time working as a label head, directing the Merlin Network and more recently in building Revelator.

Check out Revelator: https://revelator.com/

Follow Bruno on Twitter: https://twitter.com/brunoguez?lang=en

Protocol Art Pioneer Rhea Myers (few) Oct 05, 2021

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Rhea Myers conceptualised a new art world by curiously tinkering with new tools and seeing what art she could make with them. We catch up with her to reflect on the earliest days of crypto art, her experiments with the medium and their art historical roots in 60's conceptualism, the current state of the field, Loot frenzy and the recent arrival of the dragonslayers, and some areas she feels are yet unexplored.

This was crazy fun.

Follow Rhea on twitter: https://twitter.com/rheaplex

Read and check out Rhea's Work: https://rhea.art

Conceptual Art, Cryptocurrency and Beyond: https://www.furtherfield.org/conceptual-art-cryptocurrency-and-beyond/

Ethereum Art Market: https://rhea.art/ethereum-art-market

Certificate of Inauthenticity: https://rhea.art/certificate-of-inauthenticity

Tokens Equal Text: https://rhea.art/tokens-equal-text

Rhea's writing on Furtherfield: https://www.furtherfield.org/author/rhea-myers/

Furtherfields (excellent) book Artists Rethinking the Blockchain: https://torquetorque.net/wp-content/uploads/ArtistsReThinkingTheBlockchain.pdf

Rhea's Gallery Kate Voss: https://www.katevassgalerie.com/

Flow Blockchain: https://www.onflow.org/

Fingerprints DAO: https://www.fingerprintsdao.xyz/

$5 grad schools, musical bodybuilding, Puerto Rico and crypto concerns with La Meme Young Sep 22, 2021

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Thrilled to welcome artist, educator and meme master Max Alper (La Meme Young) to join us to discuss running an online art school, sound and meme pedagogy, musical body building and deliver an on the ground report of crypto excessiveness arriving in his new home of Puerto Rico.

Learn music with La Meme Young: https://www.patreon.com/la_meme_young

Follow his incredible Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/la_meme_young/?hl=en

Brian Ferneyhough - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RTPYaWXj8

Jason Eckardt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrY1V2Q3iwI

Nitro - Freight train - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGf5NxLQoEo

Emotional Capitalism, The Extreme Self and New Art Institutions with Shumon Basar Sep 07, 2021

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Our first ever in person discussion this week with writer and curator Shumon Basar to discuss his new book with Douglas Coupland and Hans Ulrich Obrist, The Extreme Self, published in accompaniment with the exhibition "Age of You" most recently hosted at Jameel Art Centre, Dubai.

We discuss a number of neologisms that appear in the book, not least Shumon's concept of "Emotional Capitalism", the growing and alarming gulf between reality and the stories we have to comprehend it, and how art institutions might hope to keep up!

Read The Extreme Self:

Europe: https://doyoureadme.de/shop/culture-society/the-extreme-self?v=3a52f3c22ed6

US: https://www.artbook.com/9783960989738.html

Dazed Interview: https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/53342/1/extreme-self-age-douglas-coupland-shumon-basar-hans-ulrich-obrist-interview

Watch Shumon's Visual Essay "Season Ending (The Day Of Forever): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzAc8yRWGCo

Synthetic Media, iNFTs, collective characters and prompt engineering with Alethea AI Aug 24, 2021

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Hey everyone,

thanks again for your support! We have a great cast of people joining us over the next few weeks. In line with our recent emphasis on collective character development, we invited Arif Khan and Juliet Gardner of Alethea AI to discuss the incoming age of synthetic media, collectively and autonomously created characters, their concept of interactive NFTs and much more

Check out Alethea AI: https://alethea.ai/

Follow Arif: https://twitter.com/ArKhan

Follow Juliet: https://twitter.com/cybersomeone

Latent Visions, Promptism and the future of AI art with Adverb Aug 17, 2021

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If you have spent any time online recently, you have no doubt seen an explosion of remarkable images generated from text with Latent Visions, VQGAN and CLIP. We spoke to Adverb, the creator of Latent Visions, about his project, Promptism, and where we see these applications developing in the next few years (or at this pace, months).

Unmissable discussion with someone who has contributed so much to the field this year!

Follow Adverb: https://twitter.com/advadnoun

Mercury Retrograde, financial & social capital and the new internet with Emily Segal Aug 03, 2021

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Thrilled this week to invite artist and author Emily Segal, whose debut auto-fictional novel “Mercury Retrograde” tells the story of a young artists attempt to reconcile the abstract landscape of overfunded startups and the art world, set in New York between Occupy and the Trump Presidency. We discuss what can be learned from the post-internet era as we stand at the precipice of a new internet, the tensions created by the meeting between financial and social capital, what the hell an artist is anyway now?? and Emily’s recent deep dive on funding new literature projects with web 3.

Read Mercury Retrograde: https://delugebooks.com/products/mercury-retrograde

Deluge Books: https://delugebooks.com/

$NOVEL on Mirror: https://emily.mirror.xyz/0AFENlMKv9amUC1OJIZY26udpISw_raXkoEcvelPvzg

Nemesis Global: https://nemesis.global/

Daemon, DAO's and Cislunar Exploration with Daniel Suarez Jul 27, 2021

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Hi everyone, this week we are thrilled to invite author and developer Daniel Suarez, whose self published science fiction book Daemon became a cult success for its hard science fiction depiction of a narrow AI preprogrammed to re-order the world after the death of it's game developer author. We discuss Daemon and it's follow up Freedom™, how those books inspired aspects of the formation of Ethereum, the importance of reframing narratives through art, and Daniel's more recent work, Delta-V, researching the economics of space exploration. This is a really fun one!

Daniel Suarez: https://daniel-suarez.com/

On twitter: https://twitter.com/itsdanielsuarez

Daemon: https://www.amazon.com/DAEMON-Daemon-Daniel-Suarez/dp/0451228731

Freedom™: https://www.amazon.com/Freedom-TM-Daemon-Daniel-Suarez/dp/0451231899

Delta-v: https://daniel-suarez.com/Delta-v_synopsis.html