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    Integrated Rhythm

    Two besties navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing.

    Join Associate Professor, instructor, and swing and Zambian heritage dancer CHISOMO SELEMANI and world champion swing dancer, instructor, and historian BOBBY WHITE as they discuss Afro-centric social dancing with a range of guests, make bad puns, and occasionally sing. The goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things.

    You can support us at:

    Patreon: www.patreon.com/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover (Put IR in notes)

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    16: My Exodus for Me to Begin (w/ CRYSTAL JOHNSON) Mar 04, 2021
    Show notes

    My Exodus for Me to Begin.

    In Part II of a two-part conversation with Harvest Moon Ball champion and Mama Lou Parks dancer CRYSTAL JOHNSON, we cover her father, Whitey's Lindy Hopper Thomas "Tops" Lee, her coming back into the swing dance world, and her thoughts on how racism has changed since she was younger.


    1:30 Thomas Lee, Mr. Showbiz

    6:00 Maya Angelou and swing dancing

    10:0 you have to feel the music

    13:30 Mama Lou Parks before a show

    14:30 Crystal's sign

    20:30 Don't let anyone stop you from dancing

    24:00 The importance of family in training

    25:30 Less hating

    33:00 More on Mama Lou

    36:00 Show business is a rude business

    39:00 Question: How are the Civil Rights battles coming along?

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    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes.

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreon.com/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    15: Don't Be Stingy With It. (w/CRYSTAL JOHNSON) Feb 25, 2021
    Show notes

    Don't be stingy with it.

    We're talking about gifts, and the gift of dance that was given to our guest this week, the legendary CRYSTAL JOHNSON --- Harvest Moon Ball champion, Mama Lou Parks dancer, and the daughter of Whitey's Lindy Hopper Thomas "Tops" Lee, Jr.

    In part 1 of this 2-part conversation, we discuss her early dancing life, her Harvest Moon Ball experience, and working with Mama Lou Parks and her peers. In part 2, we cover her father, Whitey's Lindy Hopper Thomas "Tops" Lee, her coming back into the swing dance world, and her thoughts on how racism has changed since she was younger.

    3:00 Meeting Mama Lou Parks

    8:30 "I'm supposed to be there"

    10:30 "I want to say this so bad…"

    15:00 Go to you elders

    19:30 On doing stuff or posting stuff from others

    21:30 Training with Gorge Sullivan and Lee Moates

    24:30 The 1972 Harvest Moon Ball

    33:30 The time I fell

    41:30 Crystal's legends both on and off the dance floor

    46:30 On names of dance steps

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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White


    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)




    14: Luxury Char-cute-erie (w/ MICHELLE STOKES) Feb 18, 2021
    Show notes

    In part 2 of our interview with emcee, jazz dance instructor, and Lindy Focus Meeting co-host, MICHELLE STOKES, we discuss nicknames, Michelle's philosophy of emceeing and teaching, the problems of Black-based imposture syndrome, and Michelle's ideal scene.

    1:00 "Stoked to be here," White people and puns, nicknames in general

    7:50 Michelle accidentally fell into Emceeing

    10:30 Have fun with your audience

    11:45 The importance of making people feel welcome in emceeing and teaching

    20:00 Imposture syndrome: Did they hire me because I'm Black or because I'm good?

    24:00 Lindy Focus meetings and how they approached that project

    34:30 Michelle's ideal scene

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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    13: To Be Black and Snatched (w/ MICHELLE STOKES) Feb 11, 2021
    Show notes

    To Be Black and Snatched.

    Hair --- it's not only a cultural part of Black living, it's also a practical one. You might be surprised all the ways it plays a role in a Black person existing in a mostly Non-Black America, and specifically in a Non-Black swing dancing space. It's only one of the topics we discuss in today's action-packed episode.

    In part I of this 2-part conversation, we talk to the renown event emcee, jazz dance instructor, and Lindy Focus meeting co-host MICHELLE STOKES about hair, how she first came into the dance, the swing scene as Michelle saw it through the lenses of being a Black woman, body types, the problems with most modern swing dance classes, and the nature of swing dancing in the modern scene. Next week, part II of this interview will cover her philosophy as an Emcee, and what an ideal scene looks like to her.

    2:00 The realities of hair, and what it has to do with Black Women, dating, and the swing scene.

    14:00 Going to dances searching for romantic partners

    21:30 Walking into a swing dance as a Black person

    25:00 Lindy Hop Body

    33:30 Michelle's heavily-curated dance education

    40:00 We naturally look to teachers, and ignore our prior knowledge, when introduced to something new

    44:00 On teaching problems in the scene

    52:00 Following a bunch of different leaders vs dancing for yourself

    58:00 Collaboration and pretending to dance rather than actually dancing

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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    12: The Rise of the Big Apple Feb 04, 2021
    Show notes

    In the late 1930s, a truly Black American dance experience took over America.

    This episode is a reading of this week's Swungover article on the rise of the "The Big Apple" dance craze, the problematic news articles affiliated with it, and how Whitey's Lindy Hoppers adopted the dance in Harlem. You can read the article and see the Whitey's Big Apple footage over at www.swungover.com or on the YouTube version of this podcast.


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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    11: Indeegnance Jan 28, 2021
    Show notes

    Indeegnance. A word that beautifully captures all that we talk about in today's episode, including genetic-based racism vs assimilationist racism, language and perception, code switching, Beyonce's "Black is King," the burden of representation, and action verses emotion.

    1:00 Bobby's sloppy set up: Genetic-based Racism vs Assimilationist Racism

    4:30 Both kinds are present in the Swing dance scene

    6:30 The wrong end of many conversations

    11:00 Language and perception -- the code switch flip

    14:00 A Zambian-American in Zambia

    20:30 How it relates to Beyonce's Black is King: Artistic privileges vs artistic responsibility

    28:00 Burden of representation on minoritized perspectives

    32:00 Black women and aggression

    33:00 Anger and indignance, action vs emotion

    38:00 A white guy claps back?


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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    10: "Mmmm, That Ain't It, Baby." (w/ KENNETH SHIPP) Jan 21, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, Blues Dances instructor, DJ, and proud nerd KENNETH SHIPP discusses getting thrown into the middle of learning Line Dances, the dance lessons gotten from church, working first hand with Blues dancing pioneers, and how each has shaped the way he teaches dance and helps people chill the f&$% out.

    (1:00) Kenneth on learning growing up, (7:00) My first experience at a white church… (12:30) Church and improvisation, (13:30) Broadening horizons via movie theaters, (16:00) The Ujima Blues foundation, (20:00) Clarksdale, Mississippi, (24:30) Moves and names, (33:00) The dancing presence of old timers, (36:00) the art of chilling the F out, (40:00) Juke Joint dancing in an actual juke joint, (45:00) The spiritual affect of a home space on a dance, (47:00) How do you get students comfortable inventing, (50:00) On jam circles, (52:00) Comfort with solo dance.

    Consider supporting Kenneth, a Black Business owner! You can find him at facebook.com/commandershipp

    And consider supporting the Ujima Blues Foundation at ujimablues.org

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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    09: A Little Stalker-y (w/ LEWIS ORCHARD & SHANI BROWN) Jan 14, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, Bobby & Chisomo talk with swing historians and history lovers LEWIS ORCHARD (a White British man) and SHANI BROWN (a Black American woman) about not being Black and researching Black people in history. Specifically, they will tell the story of researching the great Whitey's Lindy Hopper John Wesley "Tiny" Bunch, and discuss the process.

    (1:30) It all began when…, (3:00) A really interesting sentence to read, (4:30) Lewis takes on the investigation, (8:00) Using draft cards, yearbooks, family records, and the American census, to find out John Bunch's story…, (18:30) How the way you say "Wilkes barre" might have something to do with the great migration. (22:00) John Bunch and Northern Racism, (26:00) What makes researching a Black dancer different than researching a White dancer. (30:00) Draft card skin color listings, (37:00) White newspapers and Black newspapers and Swing dancers, (42:00) How are we to know?, (46:00) Non-Black dancers researching Black dancers, (50:00) On Black bodies in jazz dance and Black culture, (55:00) lifting something up but then getting out of the way, (58:00) Stories change


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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


    SHORTY: The Life of "Tiny" Bunch Jan 14, 2021
    Show notes

    SHORTY: Short bonus episodes.

    This "Shorty" is a reading of the Swungover Article "The Life of "Tiny" Bunch," about famous Whitey's Lindy Hopper John "Tiny" Bunch. This is a companion piece to podcast Episode 09: "A little Stalker-y" where we discuss the act of researching People of Color.




    08: Genes Are Weird, Am I Right? (w/ SHANI BROWN) Jan 07, 2021
    Show notes

    This week we talk with international instructor of Balboa and Lindy, Shani Brown , about learning from the original SoCal swing dancers, the reality of their culture and lives, and the invisibility and visibility of herself as a Black woman in the scene.

    We also briefly reflect on and respond to the events that happened at the Capital on Nov 6, 2021. (The day before this podcast was released.) Chisomo mentions a Black woman who stormed the Capital in 2013 and was killed. Her name was Miriam Carey, check out her story.

    (0:00) Integrated Rhythm's response and reflection on the storming of the Capital, (6:30) Shani's journey in dancing, (9:00) meeting the old timers, (12:00) working with the old timers, (20:00) training the body, not a move, (23:00) how much did the Old Timers think of your identity as a Black Woman?, (26:00) a little bit on Swing-era SoCal Cultural make up, (30:00) spending time with Old Timers, not just learning from them, (34:00) How much were the original SoCal dancers vocal of racist ideas?, (38:00) racism is the water we swim in…, (43:00) some people don't realize Shani is a Black woman…, (46:00) Shani's experiences around the world, (48:30) invisibility and visibility, (51:00) when Chisomo met Shani for the first time.


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    Welcome to Integrated Rhythm! Two Swing Dancing besties (Chisomo Selemani & Bobby White) navigate race and the Black Experience in the world of Jazz Dance and other Afro-centric social dancing. Our goal is comfortable conversations about uncomfortable things. In this episode...

    Our music is by Laurel Ryan & Michelle Stokes, our "We're back! song" was an improvisation by Steffanie AK Schilling, and the background drumming is by Bobby White

    Find us at your local podcast ap, or at: https://anchor.fm/integratedrhythm

    Please donate to help keep us in business:

    Patreon: patreoncom/integratedrhythm

    PayPal: robertwhiteiii@gmail.com

    Venmo: @bobbyswungover

    (Where applicable, lease put the note "IR" in it, so that we know it's for the podcast.)


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