Inside Cyber Diplomacy

A Long Way from Morse Code: Digital Governance and the ITU Dec 17, 2024

In this episode, hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter are joined by Secretary General of the ITU Doreen Bogdan Martin. They discuss the breadth of issues the ITU tackles, diplomatic challenges and how to co-ordinate digital governance.

2024 Retrospective: A First Look Dec 11, 2024

In this episode hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter discuss the year that was (so far) in cyber diplomacy including:

Volt Typhoon and Iran Hacking
The UN Cybercrime Convention
Counter Ransomware Initiative
State Department’s Cyberspace and Digital Policy Bureau

How to Make Cyber Policy a Headline in Brussels Aug 27, 2024

In this episode hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to Estonia's former ambassador at large for cyber diplomacy Heli Tirmaa-Klaar. They discuss the IT coalition’s work on the ‘future of warfare’ in Ukraine, NATO and EU collaboration, and the state of the UN’s work on cyber.

Inside the State Department’s Cyber Strategy: A Conversation with Adam Segal Jul 26, 2024

In this episode, hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter speak to guest Adam Segal, Senior Advisor for International Cyber and Digital Strategy Policy in The State Department’s Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy. They discuss the global reactions to the International Cyberspace and Digital Policy Strategy, (even China’s and Russia’s) and what ‘digital solidarity’ really means.

The UN Ad Hoc Cybercrime Negotiations: The End Is Nigh, Or Is It? May 01, 2024

In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter engage in a dynamic conversation with return guest Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy. She shares insights, as the lead negotiator for the United States, on the status and prospects for the proposed United Nations Cybercrime Treaty.

Cyber, Civil Society and Spyware with Ron Deibert Apr 18, 2024

In the first episode of the year, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to professor, philosopher and founder of the Citizen Lab, Ronald Deibert. Together they discuss how cyber fits into civil society, spyware, and the privatization of clandestine operations.

2023 Year in Review Jan 03, 2024

In the last episode of the season, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter recap the cyber diplomacy developments of 2023. They cover:

The UN
The OEWG
The POA
Cyber Crime Convention
The Counter Ransomware Initiative
The need for accountability
Capacity building
The reality of cyber negotiations

Shaping Global Partnerships for a Secure Digital Future Dec 07, 2023

In this episode Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Leonard Rolland, Head of International Cybersecurity Policy at the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They discuss the current state of play in cyber diplomacy and the importance of global partnerships for advancing responsible state behavior in cyberspace.

A New Strategy for Digital Diplomacy Oct 23, 2023

In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with the U.S. Ambassador at Large for Cyberspace and Digital Policy Nathaniel C. Fick. They discuss the inseparable relationship between tech and foreign policy, what issues the bureau is focusing on right now and reflect on Ambassador Fick’s first year in this inaugural role.

Enhancing Cyber Operations through Partner Capacity Development Sep 28, 2023

In this episode, Jim and Chris speak with Mark Montgomery, senior director of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. They discuss his latest report “Building Partner Capabilities for Cyber Operations," what cyber resilience really means and the role of U.S. federal agencies in all of this.

The Proposed United Nations Cybercrime Convention Aug 07, 2023

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy, the lead negotiator for the United States on the proposed United Nations cybercrime convention, which seems to be going so well the Russians probably regret proposing it. The discussion covers the state of negotiations, the effect of the e-Evidence and CLOUD Act, multi-stakeholder participation, and more.

Implementing Cyber Confidence-Building Measures Mar 07, 2023

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Szilvia Tóth, Cyber Security Officer at the Secretariat of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). They discuss the implementation of cyber confidence-building measures, points of contact directories, inter-regional cooperation, what’s next for the OSCE, and more.

OSCE Cyber/ICT Security Confidence-Building Measures

Capacity Building and Cyber Resilience Feb 13, 2023

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Kerry-Ann Barrett, Cybersecurity Program Manager for the Organization of American States (OAS), Secretariat of the Inter-American Committee against Terrorism, and Secretariat for Multidimensional Security. They discuss national cybersecurity strategies, the importance of intelligent capacity building, norms and accountability, what’s next for the OAS, and more.

2022 in Review Jan 19, 2023

In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the evolution of cyber in 2022. In 30 minutes, they cover the year’s cyber developments as well as upcoming cyber initiatives and priorities, touching on topics including:

Cyber in Ukraine
Negotiations in the United Nations
The UN GGE and OEWG
The State Department’s launch of the Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy
Regional organizations
Capacity building
Enforcing norms
Transparency about cyber initiatives
Cyber initiatives in the United States Congress
Efforts to improve software
Personnel changes and the cyber workforce
U.S. – China relations

Accountability and Multilateralism in Israel’s Approach to Cyber Diplomacy Nov 09, 2022

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Israel’s Cyber Coordinator Amir Sagie. They discuss the recent OEWG meeting, national cyber strategies, multilateralism and capacity building, accountability mechanisms, and more.

Placing Cyber Diplomacy at the Top of the Agenda Aug 15, 2022

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with William Middleton, Cyber Director of the United Kingdom’s Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office. They discuss the direction of UK cyber policy, international cooperation, next steps in the United Nations, and the links between cyber and development.

The Cyber Real World and Multilateralism Jun 23, 2022

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter interview Isaac Morales Tenorio, Mexico’s Coordinator for Multidimensional Security. They discuss cyber from a Mexican perspective, regional and multilateral processes, capacity-building programs, implementing the United Nations norms and framework, and more.

Cybersecurity from the Hill: A Discussion with Congressman Langevin Jun 03, 2022

In the first episode of season two, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Congressman Jim Langevin on his cybersecurity work in congress and what he envisions for the future of cyber diplomacy. They discuss domestic cybersecurity efforts, such as creating a Joint Collaborative Environment (JCE) within CISA's JCDC, institutionalizing cyber diplomacy in the State Department, Russia, international norms in cyberspace, and more.

2021 in Review: All Things Cyber Dec 17, 2021

In the last episode of this season of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the cyber developments of 2021. In 40 minutes, they cover the evolution and maturation of cyber in the US and internationally, including:

Cybersecurity becoming a political priority
The UN GGE and OEWG
Three UN initiatives to look out for:
The new OEWG
The program of action for regular institutional dialogue
The new cybercrime convention negotiations
Cyber in the UN Security Council
Leadership and initiatives in the field
Accountability and collective action
Personnel changes
Reorganization in the State Department

Cybersecurity and the UN Disarmament Agenda Oct 15, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Under-Secretary-General and High Representative for Disarmament Affairs, Izumi Nakamitsu. They discuss the UN First Committee efforts on cybersecurity and the broader disarmament agenda, how these negotiations fit with other initiatives in the UN, and the future implications of successful GGE and OEWG meetings.

Cyber Rule Making and Implementation Sep 10, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Takeshi Akahori, former Ambassador for Cyber Policy of Japan and current Ambassador for Climate Change Negotiations. They discuss cyber rule making, the applicability of international law in cyberspace, and Japan's role in the UN negotiations.

The Ransomware Episode with Ciaran Martin Aug 20, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ciaran Martin, Professor of Practice in the Management of Public Organisations at Oxford University, and former Chief Executive of the U.K. National Cyber Security Centre. They discuss the difficulties in tackling ransomware, ways to counter Russian aggression, UK / EU relations after Brexit, and the importance of technology innovation and cooperation with allies.

Berlin's Cyber Diplomacy Jul 06, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Germany's Cyber Ambassador Regine Grienberger. They discuss the work being done on cyber from a German and European perspective, the importance of capacity-building, and the hopes and expectations for the work ahead.

Special Edition: Cyber at the Summits Jun 23, 2021

In this special edition of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter break down the discussions on cyber that took place last week during the G7, NATO, U.S.-EU, and U.S.-Russia summits.

Reaching Consensus at the UN GGE Jun 21, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Guilherme Patriota, Brazil's Consul General in Mumbai and Chair of the UN GGE on Advancing responsible State behavior in cyberspace in the context of international security. They discuss the influence his past negotiating experience had in how he chaired the group, how they had to adjust to negotiating during Covid to achieve a consensus report, and whether his future plans will involve ICTs.

A Guide to the UN GGE Jun 11, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Michele Markoff, Heli Tiirma-Klaar, and Johanna Weaver about the recently concluded UN GGE. They discuss how the group managed to get consensus on this new report, the progress made on international law and norms as they apply to cyberspace, and how the process compared to the parallel OEWG.

Behind the Scenes: Australia’s Approach to UN Negotiations Jun 04, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Johanna Weaver, Special Adviser to Australia’s Ambassador for Cyber Affairs, Australia’s independent expert to the UN's GGE on Responsible State Behavior in Cyberspace; and Head of the Australian Delegation to UN's OEWG on ICT Security. They discuss the challenges Covid presented to negotiations, the importance of raising awareness on the UN framework, and the impact of women in cyber.

The AU and ICTs for Development May 21, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Moctar Yedaly, Africa Program Director for the GFCE, and former Head of the Information Society department within the African Union Commission. They discuss internet shutdowns, the need for high-level political interest and attention to the issues of ICTs, and the value of including more stakeholders in multilateral negotiations.

Bridging the Diplomacy and Technology Communities with Ambassador Amandeep Gill Apr 30, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Amandeep Gill, Director of the Global Health Centre project on International Digital Health & AI Research Collaborative (I-DAIR). They discuss the transformative power of digital technologies and the importance of using human-centric benchmarks when applying AI to health.

A Diplomacy Master Class with Ambassador Lauber Apr 23, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Jürg Lauber, Permanent Representative of Switzerland to the United Nations and other Organizations in Geneva. They discuss his work as Chair of the OEWG, how his previous UN experience helped him increase engagement in the process, and where to go from here.

Find a Friend, Bring a Friend: Singapore’s Efforts on Cybersecurity Apr 08, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with David Koh, Chief Executive of the Cyber Security Agency of Singapore. They discuss progress in cybersecurity done by the CSA in its first six years, technical and policy cooperation within ASEAN, and next steps in cyber diplomacy after the conclusion of the current UN GGE and OEWG processes.

Discussing the UN OEWG with the Mother of Norms Mar 26, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Michele Markoff, Deputy Coordinator for Cyber Issues in the Office of the Coordinator for Cyber Affairs at the U.S. State Department. They discuss the recently concluded UN OEWG process and the next steps for international coordination on cyber issues.

A Conversation With Canada’s “Cyber Dean” Feb 09, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Michael Walma, Cyber Foreign Policy Coordinator for Global Affairs Canada. They talk about Canada’s efforts in advancing diverse voices in the OEWG, achieving gender balance in cyber negotiations, expectations about the new US administration’s focus on cybersecurity, and the importance of regional organizations in developing CBMs.

Walking and Chewing Gum: a Cyber Diplomacy Strategy Feb 01, 2021

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter discuss recent appointments by the Biden administration, recommendations on how to engage with Russian malicious cyber activity, and how to cooperate with European allies moving forward.

Estonia’s Role in Cyber Diplomacy Nov 23, 2020

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Heli Tiirmaa-Klaar, Estonia’s Ambassador-at-Large for Cyber Diplomacy. They discuss her work and experience in the European Union and Estonia, the challenges of effective operationalization of international norms, and the future of cyber diplomacy.

Special Edition: Cybersecurity for the Next Administration Nov 12, 2020

In this special edition of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter discuss the pressing cybersecurity issues the next administration will need to address, how a new strategy should be structured, and possible next steps.

Australia's Cyber Diplomacy Nov 03, 2020

In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Australian Ambassador for Cyber Affairs and Critical Technology, Dr. Tobias Feakin. They discuss the responsibilities of his role, Australia’s cybersecurity strategy, the importance of regional cooperation, and how to strengthen the existing framework for responsible state behavior in cyberspace.

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