In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer

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Boz Tchividjian on Abuse, Accountability, and the Cost of Telling the Truth Jul 24, 2026

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Attorney Boz Tchividjian joins Frank Schaeffer for an honest conversation about abuse inside churches, institutional cover-ups, Christian nationalism, and the work of helping survivors seek justice.

As Billy Graham’s grandson, Boz understands evangelical culture from the inside. As a lawyer, he has spent years holding institutions accountable when they fail the people they were meant to protect.

Together they discuss celebrity pastors, patriarchal theology, clergy abuse, politics, and why accountability remains essential for any community that claims to value truth.

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Matthew Boedy on The Seven Mountains Mandate Jul 21, 2026

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Professor Matthew Boedy joins Frank Schaeffer to discuss The Seven Mountains Mandate: Exposing the Dangerous Plan to Christianize America and Destroy Democracy.

Drawing on both scholarship and personal experience, Boedy traces the evolution of Christian nationalism from the Religious Right to today’s political movement. Frank reflects on his own family’s place in that history and considers how earlier evangelical ideas evolved into something very different.

Together they discuss the Seven Mountains Mandate, Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, Project 2025, education, media, masculinity, and the relationship between religion, politics, and power.
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LINKS

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Why Congress Is "Stuck" with Maya L. Kornberg Jul 10, 2026

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Frank Schaeffer speaks with Maya Kornberg about her book Stuck: How Money, Media, and Violence Prevent Change in Congress.

They discuss how Congress has been weakened by money, social media, political violence, understaffing, and decades of institutional neglect. This is a conversation about why Congress often fails, and why strengthening it may be one of the most urgent democratic tasks we face.
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LINKS

https://www.mayakornberg.com/

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Helen Benedict on War, Refugees, and The Soldier’s House Jun 26, 2026

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Frank Schaeffer talks with author and journalist Helen Benedict about her novel The Soldier’s House, the Iraq War, military trauma, refugees, and the hidden costs of American foreign policy.

Helen shares how years of interviewing veterans and survivors shaped both her journalism and her fiction. Together they discuss women serving in combat zones, sexual violence inside the military, PTSD, immigration, and the long emotional shadow cast by war.

This is a thoughtful and deeply human conversation about responsibility, memory, and survival.
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LINKS

https://www.helenbenedict.com

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https://www.instagram.com/benedict.helen/

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Paul Eastwick, PhD, on Love, Attachment, and the Myths We Tell About Relationships Jun 19, 2026

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Frank talks with psychologist Paul Eastwick about the science of attraction, attachment, marriage, and long-term companionship.

Drawing from his book Bonded by Evolution: The New Science of Love and Connection, Paul challenges the idea that relationships are mostly about status, dominance, or “mate value.” Instead, he argues that humans evolved for bonding, caregiving, emotional support, and mutual dependence.

The conversation also explores online dating culture, the manosphere, sexuality, compatibility, and why people often misunderstand what makes relationships work.
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Atima Omara Asks "What Happens When Democrats Refuse to Learn?" Jun 12, 2026

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Frank Schaeffer talks with political strategist and author Atima Omara about her new book The Instigators and the deeper failures shaping American politics today.

They discuss race, religion, Trumpism, Project 2025, Kamala Harris, media ecosystems, the Democratic Party’s blind spots, and the historic role Black women have played in defending democracy while rarely receiving full recognition or power.

Atima also reflects on growing up in Virginia as the daughter of Ugandan immigrants and what years inside political organizing taught her about how change actually happens.
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Michael O. Emerson on Race, White Evangelicalism, and Christian Nationalism Jun 05, 2026

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Frank Schaeffer talks with sociologist Michael O. Emerson about the updated edition of Divided by Faith: Evangelical Religion and the Problem of Race in America.

They discuss why racial division inside white evangelical culture has intensified over the last 25 years, how Christian nationalism reshaped American politics, and why churches often failed to confront segregation while other institutions succeeded.

Frank also shares personal reflections on growing up in Francis Schaeffer’s community in Switzerland and living in apartheid South Africa.

A grounded conversation about race, religion, power, memory, and the America we built.

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LINKS

https://www.bakerinstitute.org/expert/michael-o-emerson

https://christiansmith.nd.edu

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Elise Ann Allen on Pope Leo XIV, Friendship, Humanity, and Moral Leadership May 29, 2026

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Frank Schaeffer talks with Vatican journalist Elise Ann Allen about her new biography of Pope Leo XIV and why the new pope has already become such an important moral figure for many people around the world.

Elise was the first journalist to interview Pope Leo after his election and shares personal stories about their friendship, his years serving the poor in Peru, and the humility that continues to shape him even now.

The conversation also explores faith, politics, AI, immigration, polarization, and what happens when human dignity is forgotten.

A thoughtful and deeply human conversation about leadership, conscience, and hope.
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LINKS
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America 250 and the Return of Christian Nationalism with Keri Ladner, PhD May 25, 2026

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A conversation about power, fear, nationalism, and the rewriting of American history.

Keri Ladner joins Frank Schaeffer for a conversation about the rise of Christian nationalism and the mythology surrounding America’s founding.

They discuss the Religious Right, the Seven Mountain Mandate, January 6th, white extremism, and the growing influence of authoritarian politics inside evangelical culture.

The conversation also turns toward immigration, fear, nationalism, neo-confederacy, and the role of powerful tech figures shaped by apartheid-era politics and ideology who are reshaping public life in America and beyond.

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LINKS

Keri Ladner on Substack

American Dominion: The Rise and Radicalization of a New Christendom on Bookshop

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Jonathan Tepper on Grief, Addiction, Empathy, and Growing Up Missionary May 22, 2026

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Jonathan Tepper joins Frank Schaeffer to discuss his memoir Shooting Up: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Addiction.
The conversation explores growing up in Madrid during the AIDS crisis, missionary life among heroin addicts, the loss of Jonathan’s younger brother, literature, homeschooling, faith, suffering, and the role empathy plays in shaping human life.
Frank and Jonathan also reflect on Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, prayer, grief, and the troubling loss of compassion inside modern American evangelical politics.
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LINKS
https://jonathan-tepper.com

Shooting Up: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Addiction

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