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Jeh Johnson: On Trump, Newsom, Noem, Padilla, & America’s Homeland Insecurities Jun 13, 2025

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John is joined by former Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson to discuss President Trump’s deployment of National Guard and Marine Corps troops to Los Angeles in the face of protests of his immigration policies. Johnson explains how he would have assessed the situation in LA if he were still leading DHS; the dangers of tasking the U.S. military with domestic law enforcement; and his view of the forcible removal of California Senator Alex Padilla from a press conference held by DHS Secretary Kristi Noem. Johnson also weighs in on the controversial deal struck by Paul, Weiss—the storied law firm from which Johnson will soon retire after 30-plus years as a partner—with the Trump administration after being threatened with a punitive executive order.

Karen Hao: Superintelligence & Supreme Hype on the A.I. Frontier Jun 09, 2025

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John is joined by journalist Karen Hao to discuss her new book, “Empire of AI: Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's OpenAI,” and both the promise and the perils of the coming age of artificial intelligence. Hao explains how OpenAI went from being an altruistic nonprofit dedicated to ensuring that A.I. would “benefit all of humanity” to a burgeoning commercial colossus valued at north of $300 billion; how Altman wrested control of the company from his co-founder Elon Musk; why skepticism is warranted regarding the claims that superhuman A.I. is inevitable; and how that narrative, true or not, serves the economic and political interests of the cabal of tech bros who are A.I.’s most fervent boosters.

Miles Taylor: Anonymous No More Jun 06, 2025

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John is joined by former Department of Homeland Security chief of staff Miles Taylor to discuss the recent executive order by Donald Trump directing federal law enforcement agencies to investigate Taylor (for unnamed and unknown crimes) and his fledgling efforts to fight back. Taylor—who rose to prominence during Trump's first term with a New York Times op-ed and No. 1 bestselling book, written under the pen name Anonymous, that detailed a “quiet resistance” within the administration—describes the financial, professional, emotional impacts of being declared “guilty of treason” by Trump for no specified reason aside from having publicly criticized him; the legal countermeasures Taylor plans to undertake; and the wider political implications of his case.

Robert Wolf: Elon’s Adios, Biden Agonistes & The TACO That Ate Trump Jun 02, 2025

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John is joined by former CEO of UBS Americas and Democratic mega-donor Robert Wolf to discuss the exit of Elon Musk from the White House and Donald Trump’s latest economic-policy gyrations. The recipient of three presidential appointments from Barack Obama and one from Joe Biden, Wolf explains why Musk’s foray into government was always bound to end in tears; why Wall Street's TACO (Trump Always Chickens Out) meme perfectly captures the financial world’s view of the president's feckless approach to trade and tariffs; and why the state of the economy is even more precarious than it appears. Wolf also reflects on his own role in aiding and abetting Biden’s bid for reelection despite doubts about his ability to serve a second term.

David Hogg: Hope I Die Before I Get Old May 30, 2025

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John is joined by Parkland survivor, gun control activist, and embattled DNC vice chair David Hogg to discuss the controversies swirling around him and what his party needs to do to fix itself. Hogg explains the rationale behind his plan to spend $20 million through his Leaders We Deserve PAC to elect younger candidates who embrace a combative anti-MAGA stance; why that plan includes backing primary challenges to ossified, ineffective Democratic incumbents; and the ensuing rage among much of his party’s establishment, which he sees as fueling a campaign to oust him from DNC role and “destroy my reputation.”

Mark Whitaker: Why Malcolm X Still Matters May 26, 2025

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John is joined by Mark Whitaker to discuss his new book, “The Afterlife of Malcolm X: An Outcast Turned Icon’s Enduring Impact on America.” A former editor in chief of Newsweek, Washington bureau chief for NBC News, and managing editor of CNN Worldwide, Whitaker lays out the two narrative threads at the heart of his book: the first, a deep exploration of the unsolved mystery over who killed the revolutionary Muslim minister and progenitor of the Black Power movement; and the second, a rich exegesis of Malcolm’s lasting political and cultural influence.

Jake Tapper & Alex Thompson: Joe Biden's Sins & His Party's Penance May 23, 2025

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John is joined by CNN's Jake Tapper and Axios's Alex Thompson to discuss their scoop-filled, headline-spawning, controversy-stirring new book, "Original Sin: President Biden's Decline, Its Cover-Up, and His Disastrous Choice to Run Again." Jake and Alex explain the nature and central players in the concealment of the decline in President Biden's mental acuity during his time in the White House; how the lack of transparency about his health and cognitive fitness before leaving office have lent credence to the profusion of conspiracy theories following the disclosure this week of his prostate cancer diagnosis; and the impotence of a Democratic Party convinced that the stakes of the 2024 election were existential and yet unable to acknowledge Biden's age-related political liabilities before it was too late. The authors also address some of the controversies that have arisen surrounding the book and their reporting methods in the wake of its publication.

Pablo Torre: Influence + Audience = The Cultural Supremacy of Sports May 19, 2025

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Pablo Torre, ESPN and MSNBC commentator and host of the Edward R. Murrow Award-winning video podcast Pablo Torre Finds Out, is back with John to weigh in on an assortment of red-hot stories at the intersection of sports, culture, and politics: from the backlash in Canada against Wayne Gretzky over his association with Donald Trump and the reinstatement of Pete Rose by Major League Baseball (and Trump’s rumored role in the decision) to the calamitous collision between Bill Belichick’s private and public lives. Plus, Pablo reflects on the death row drama unfolding around Dallas Cowboys superfan and dubiously convicted supermax inmate Charles Flores, the coverage of which recently earned PTFO a Peabody Award nomination.

David Jolly: On the Take in the Middle East May 16, 2025

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John is joined by former Florida Republican congressman David Jolly to discuss Donald Trump’s trip to the Mideast and the naked corruption on display in his embrace of a $400 million 747 gifted by Qatar to serve as a new Air Force One; disarray among House Republicans over the “one big, beautiful bill," and Jolly’s defection to the Democratic Party ahead of an all but certain run for governor in the Sunshine State in 2026.

Davis Guggenheim: “Deaf President Now!” & The Power of Documentaries May 13, 2025

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John is joined by the Oscar and Emmy Award-winning documentarian Davis Guggenheim to discuss his new film for Apple TV +, “Deaf President Now!” Davis lays out the story behind the movie, which revolves around a student protest that erupted over eight days in 1988 at Gallaudet University in Washington, DC, the world’s only university for the deaf, and explains why it stands as “the greatest civil rights movement in history you’ve never heard of.” Davis also retraces his storied career as a non-fiction director, connecting the dots between his past films, from “An Inconvenient Truth” and “Waiting for ‘Superman’” to “He Named Me Malala" and "Still: A Michael J. Fox Movie”—and reveals why getting fired by Denzel Washington from “Training Day” changed his life, and for the better.

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