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    Hurdle with Emily Abbate

    Hurdle is where real stories meet next-level ambition. Host, veteran journalist and coach Emily Abbate, interviews the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, peeling back the curtain on their journeys through vulnerable, deep conversation. Learn the secrets to their success, including the grit, glory, and crucial mindset lessons that help her level-up. Each conversation, a powerful reminder that we get to overcome, and embrace each hurdle to live happier, healthier, more motivated lives. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

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    5-MINUTE FRIDAY: I Finally Did It. I Left My Laptop On The Plane. Dec 05, 2025
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    Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Sharing the lessons in the aftermath of an unfortunate mistake earlier this week, plus answering a listener question on whether or not everyone could be a morning person. Plus: If morning workouts feel particularly hard for you, this could be the reason.

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    Fail Forward, Lead Better: 4X Olympian Jordan Larson On The Power Of A Goldfish Mindset, All Things LOVB & The Importance Of Empathy In Sport & Life Dec 02, 2025
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    This week, Emily's sitting down with Olympic Gold Medalist, professional volleyball player, founding athlete for League One Volleyball, and co-owner of Love Nebraska, Jordan Larson. A lot has happened since our first chat in 2021. Jordan dives deep into the personal and professional work that has allowed her to maintain elite performance over an impressive 16+ season career. "The Governor" (Jordan's nickname) opens up about the immense internal work required to evolve from being a quiet "leader by action" to a vocal and empathetic captain for her team.

    Jordan also shares her experience navigating a difficult personal period, including a divorce, and how she learned to separate her self-worth from her on-court performance. It's a candid conversation about finding inner peace, the importance of "failing fast" to learn, and her excitement for growing the future of women’s volleyball in the United States through ventures like Love Nebraska and League One Volleyball. This is a masterclass in resilience, leadership, and the power of continual evolution.

    In This Episode:

    • 16+ Seasons of Elite Performance: Jordan shares what still excites her about lacing up and how she remains a student of the sport after almost two decades.
    • The Evolution of Leadership: We discuss the shift from being a "leader by action" to a vocal, empathetic captain who builds deeper connections with her teammates.
    • Beyond the White Lines: Why true success and team cohesion require knowing the person behind the athlete, not just their on-court skill.
    • The Hardest Hurdle: Jordan opens up about the immense internal work required to find peace and process her divorce, and how she used that time to define her self-worth outside of volleyball.
    • Failing Fast: The necessity of taking risks in practice and the importance of a "goldfish mindset" for quick failure and recovery.
    • Love Nebraska and League One Volleyball: Her passion for growing the sport domestically and the importance of creating opportunities for female athletes to thrive at home.
    • Advice to Her Younger Self: The importance of being able to sit in the hard, uncomfortable feelings instead of running from them.

    QUOTABLE MOMENTS

    🥇 On Success, Self-Worth, and Longevity

    • “How do I help others around me believe that they are unstoppable?”
    • “There’s moments of time in my career that I burnout was real and I was like maybe this is time to step away.”
    • “I think the fastest you fail, the more you learn.”

    🧘 On Inner Peace and Healing

    • “I really started building myself up. Lots of therapy, and I feel like today I’m in a place of just loving myself and finding inner peace and learning that that is actually the true happiness.”
    • “I think I would go back to tell myself that like it’s gonna hurt, but that doesn’t mean that that’s wrong. That even in the pain and the hurt, it’s okay to sit in it.”

    🏐 On Leadership and Team Dynamics

    • “It’s not just about what’s happening between the white lines. It’s about how I get to know my teammates, how I’m showing up for them.”

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    [BONUS] Beyond the Finish Line: Des Linden & Molly Huddle On Redefining Success in Running & Life, LIVE From Every Woman's Marathon Nov 29, 2025
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    Special episode popping into your feed today, live from Every Woman's Marathon, featuring Molly Huddle and Des Linden. Huddle's a 2x Olympian, and recently toed the line in Scottsdale for her first marathon since having her second child six months ago. Linden, the 2018 Boston Marathon Champion and fellow Olympian, recently ran the TCS New York City Marathon alongside first-timer Anthony Ramos.

    In this conversation, Huddle and Linden get candid about the highs and lows of training and competing, offering advice on how to conquer big goals while remaining honest and compassionate with yourself.

    In this episode, we discuss:

    • Molly Huddle’s first marathon back postpartum
    • Des Linden’s experience running the New York City Marathon alongside Anthony Ramos
    • How to conquer the “pain cave” during a hard race
    • The importance of self-compassion and being honest with yourself
    • Mental strategies for running a marathon (staying present, embracing the challenge)
    • The significance of celebrating the small wins
    • Advice for first-time marathoners
    • QUOTABLE MOMENTS

    On Mental Toughness & The Pain Cave

    • "You're stronger than you think." – Des Linden (as parting advice to the audience)
    • "You didn't train so that this would be something easy. You trained so you'd be prepared for when it got difficult." – Des Linden
    • "The best thing to do for that [the pain cave] is to just stay in the moment." – Molly Huddle
    • "When you cross the finish line, you're going to just have that tool in your pocket of like, 'Look what I did, look what I can do.'" – Molly Huddle

    On Strategy & Planning

    • "I like to just think bottle to bottle ... you can pretend you're starting over again." – Molly Huddle
    • "Stay here... You're strong... Hang on." – Molly Huddle
    • "What can I get out of something that's not going my way?" – Des Linden
    • "If it was easy, everyone would do it." – Emily Abbate

    On Life, Balance, and Identity

    • "This year I will have made a baby, ran a marathon, and I'm like writing a book. Like, what's wrong with me? Like, why am I feeling like that's not enough stuff?" – Molly Huddle
    • "You put in work, and you stay committed, and have this self-belief, and if you keep looking forward, there's always things to tackle that are out in front of you." – Des Linden

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    5-MINUTE FRIDAY: In Favor Of Skipping The (Sanctioned) Turkey Trot Nov 28, 2025
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    Talking about why it was a good call for me to forgo my annual turkey trot in favor of taking it easy. Also, answering a listener question about hot to get more comfortable lifting weights.

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    For The Love The Grind: Sara Hall Talks Longevity, Choosing Love Over Fear & Running Her Own Race Nov 25, 2025
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    On this week's episode of Hurdle, Emily sits down with professional runnerSara Hall. Sara is an athlete whose longevity, incredible range, and commitment to the sport are truly inspiring. She's also the only American athlete in history to win USATF National Titles in both the mile and the marathon.

    Recorded in New York City on the weekend of the TCS New York City Marathon, this conversation highlights the depth of her incredible career. In it, Sara opens about her journey, the perseverance required for success, and the mental fortitude it takes to navigate the inevitable challenges—whether that’s a tough injury cycle, the complexities of competition, or even online critics.

    IN THIS EPISODE

    • The Power of Perseverance: We dive into the grit required for a long and successful professional running career.

    • Love Over Fear: Sara opens up about the decision to adopt four children from Ethiopia and how that was rooted in choosing love over fear. The adoption included four girls, ages 5 to 15, all at once.

    • The Emotional Tax of Sport: Sara discusses how to navigate the mental fortitude required to deal with challenges like injury cycles, competition complexities, and online criticism.

    • Doping & Disappointment: Sara shares how she copes with the deep emotional tax of competing against athletes who were later disqualified for doping.

    • Learning from Failure: She reveals how her biggest failure—coming in last at a US Championships—was actually a profound turning point in her life, helping her understand God's unconditional love.

    • The Meaning of the Grind: Sara talks about what the "grind" means to her specifically at this chapter in her life, and her upcoming book, For the Love of the Grind.

    • Rebounding: Sara shares her advice for moving on from big disappointments, including "slamming a bunch of coffee" and setting a new goal.

    QUOTABLE MOMENTS

    On Resilience and Perseverance

    • "I want to be good period, not just good for my age."
    • "What you speak over yourself is powerful."

    On Motherhood and Family

    • "We just chose love over fear... it was just like closing your eyes and jumping off a cliff and just choosing faith."

    • "The word 'Berchi' [Amharic for 'Be Strong']... I was like, I want them to be like keep their Ethiopian toughness."

    • "When you're happier, you run better."

    On Identity and Self-Worth

    • "You have to really have a love for the process, and an excitement to just continue to believe in what you're doing that holds you through all of it."

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    5-MINUTE FRIDAY: A Busy Season Doesn't Mean Ditching Self-Care Nov 21, 2025
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    Talking about the importance of prioritizing yourself in order to handle when things get crazy, whether that's in a busy work season or the holiday craze. Also, answering a listener question on the protein craze and how much you really need, and the dangers of the protein craze.

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    380. Sticking To The Plan: Kate Martin Talks Her First 2 Years In The WNBA, Best-Practice Recovery Tactics & Seeing Injury As An Opportunity Nov 18, 2025
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    Welcome Kate Martin to Hurdle! This week on the show, the WNBA player for the Golden State Valkyries and Unrivaled competitor takes us on a deep dive into what it takes to thrive in the professional game, sharing how she's constantly evolving both on and off the court. Kate opens up about the major adjustments she’s made since leaving college—not just to the rigorous WNBA schedule, but to her own mindset. She discusses the chaotic travel and the importance of finding those small windows to optimize her body, sharing the hydration and mobility hacks that are her non-negotiable recovery tools.

    Martin gets honest about her struggles with negative self-talk and how the identity of being the "glue" teammate actually helps her play better. Plus, Kate talks about the mental and physical comeback from a devastating ACL tear, explaining why that difficult experience taught her how to be a cheerleader first—a skill that has shaped her entire career.

    IN THIS EPISODE

    • The Post-College Grind: How she manages the WNBA travel schedule by prioritizing mobility work and drip-drop hydration (electrolyte packets) on every flight to combat dehydration and stay ready for immediate workouts.
    • The Power of NIL: Her personal experience navigating the NIL landscape in college, and the hilarious story of how she was completely blindsided by her own draft pick while expecting to be fully focused on supporting Caitlin Clark.
    • The Best Version of an Athlete: Why she is focused on becoming a more well-rounded player by working on attacking the rim and being consistent when shooting under fatigue.
    • Adversity as Fuel: Why she views her major ACL injury in college as the "best thing that ever happened to me" because it taught her empathy and the importance of showing up as a great teammate.
    • Personal Identity: Why being labeled an "underdog" doesn't bother her, and why she is okay with the balance of being a great athlete and a great person who prioritizes her family.
    • Simple Wellness: Her simple, non-negotiable wellness routine, which includes chicken, rice, and cold tubs for physical and mental reset.

    QUOTABLE MOMENTS

    On self-talk:
    "I would definitely say that[negative self-talk] is still a work in progress for sure. I would sit here and tell every single one of my teammates, 'Don't be so hard on yourself, negative self-talk is terrible, it benefits nothing.'"

    On what she sees in the mirror:
    "I want people to see a good person who cares about her teammates and who is a lot more than just a basketball player."

    On coming back from injury:
    "If you have a bad day, that's okay, too. Because you're going to have bad days... and you're going to eventually start trending upwards if you continue to do the right things."

    On coming back after a loss:
    “You cannot linger in the past, you really just got to keep pushing and looking forward. You have to have that goldfish mentality."

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    5-MINUTE FRIDAY: Trust Me When I Say Good Things Take Time Nov 14, 2025
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    Talking through the latest changes to Hurdle, what will be different on the listener side, and why this new chapter is just so meaningful to me. On not giving up, perseverance, and the power of progress (even when it's not at the pace you'd hope). Also, answering a listener question about how to know when you need to buy new sneakers!

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    379. ‘I Never Fail’: How To Trust The Timing Of Your Life & Make Every Second Count With Olympic Champion Masai Russell Nov 11, 2025
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    Today’s episode's incredibly special. Not only is it the Season 20 premiere of Hurdle, but we're bringing you my conversation with the American Record Holder and Olympic Champion in the 100-meter hurdles, Masai Russell.

    Fresh off her win at Athlos in New York City, Russell joins us to peel back the curtain on the mindset that allowed her to make the U.S. Olympic team, emerge victorious on the world stage, and break records in the process. This conversation was filmed live at Nike’s New York headquarters in front of an incredible audience, many of whom were gearing up for the New York City Marathon. It’s a motivational pre-game for any big moment, whether we’re talking about sport—or beyond.

    In the episode, Masai is incredibly candid about the struggles she faced in her first professional year, the adversity she had to overcome, and the mental shift she made to change her entire career trajectory. She also shares why, in her mind, she never fails, and how that perspective helps her turn every setback into a blessing.

    I've also got a big announcement: Today, Hurdle joins iHeart Women's Sports Network! A massive milestone years in the making, thanks so much for being a part of this community and following along for the ride.

    IN THIS EPISODE

    • The competitive fire Masai developed by growing up with older brothers.
    • Why Masai made the surprising choice to follow her coach and transfer to the University of Kentucky.
    • The essential self-belief required to succeed at an elite level.
    • Her mindset in the starting blocks for the 100m hurdles.
    • Why showing up for yourself, even on bad days, is crucial to building success.
    • The adversity and mental challenges she faced during her first professional year.
    • Thedaily journaling and self-talk practicesthat shape her mindset.
    • Why her tough finish (4th place) at the World Championships was ultimately the best thing for her.
    • Her advice for dealing with the pressure and expectations of social media fame.
    • Her big goals: from buying a house at 24 to breaking the World Record and winning in Los Angeles in 2028.

    QUOTABLE MOMENTS

    On the power of belief:
    "I just told myself when I got out there on the line, whatever's going to happen is going to happen, and I think once I kind of let the my ego go and let what I thought I should be or what the expectations of what people put on to me, once I let all that go out the door, I just felt free."

    On why she never fails:
    "I'll never fail because it's always a lesson to turn me into what the world will see. And that's always my mindset."

    On her mindset in the starting blocks:
    "There's nothing more that's going to change or the outcome isn't going to change. Literally just show up and be, and whatever that outcome is going to be, that's just what it is, and you have to be okay with it."

    On her mental tools:
    "It's literally just about like what I feel in that moment at that time, at that day. It could be like, 'Go out there, kill it, lock in, zone out, be you!' ... or it could be just like whatever is literally on my heart and mind."

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    5-MINUTE FRIDAY: Repeat After Me: Flexibility Opens Up Opportunity Oct 24, 2025
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    You don't need to have it all figured out. You do, have to be willing to start, however. Talking about the perks of flexibility in today's episode, and answering a listener question about how to handle a major disappointment.

    As a note: This is the last episode in season 19! Stay tuned, the show will be back November 11 in a ~big~ way.

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