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    How To Train Your Dog With Love + Science – Dog Training with Annie Grossman + Anamarie Johnson PhD (Formerly known as School For The Dogs Podcast)

    Annie Grossman, founder of School For The Dogs and author of the book How To Train Your Dog With Love & Science, is obsessed with positive reinforcement dog training and thinks you should be, too. Anamarie Johnson, PhD, who consults with shelters and loves to nerd out on dog-related studies. They want dog owners to be more literate in the basics of behavioral science! Tune in to learn how to use science-based methods to train dogs (and people) without pain, force, or coercion.

    Get the book at anniegrossman.com/book
    (Formerly known as School For The Dogs Podcast)

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    Bonus: Annie reads aloud Walden Two Revisited, the 1976 preface to BF Skinner's novel Walden Two Mar 16, 2021
    Show notes

    This is a bonus episode in which Annie reads aloud the preface to Walden Two, BF Skinner's 1948 novel about a utopian community that he imagines could be closely engineered based on what we know about behavioral science, and cooperatively governed based on principles rooted in positive reinforcement. The book was called "fascism without tears" when it was published and also compared to a plan for a dog obedience school for humans. Three decades after writing it, Skinner wrote Walden Two Revisited, which reflected on how society still hadn't done enough to harness the power of non-coercive, non-punitive control in order to better people's lives. Forty-five years hence, has anything really changed? Maybe dog training can help us better understand what Skinner had in mind...


    Notes:


    Clubhouse Reading Group on Walden Two: 4/1 at 3PM ET. Need a Clubhouse Invite? Text 917-414-2625


    Annie imitates a dial up modem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B8KPvp9eew


    Buy Walden Two: https://amzn.to/3cKdGL8


    3 minute summary of Walden Two, by the Prosocial Progress Foundation


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    This is a bonus episode. Woo woo woo wee aw wee aw wee aw! That’s my bonus episode cheer. It happens to also sound a lot like a car alarm. I also do impressions of dial up modems, true story. Look in show notes. Anyway, I have decided to give myself permission as this podcast’s editor and producer to do the occasional episode that is really only tangentially related to dog training. It’s not specifically related to solving dog training problems, but that touches in my mind on dog training in a larger context. And that these episodes may sometimes simply be me reading things that I have found thought-provoking in this arena.


    Last week, I read the 1913 essay, um by John B. Watson psychology as the behaviorist views it. Which kind of pits the then just burgeoning world of behavioral psychology, behavior analysis, against cognitive psychology kind of as if it were pitting science or a theory of evolution against creationism. And today I read it and see a lot of similarities between the world of science based, positive reinforcement rooted dog training, and the world of dog training that has to do with myth and energy and misunderstood concepts like dominance.


    Today I wanted to read the 1976 forward written by BF Skinner for his 1948 novel, Walden Two. Which I first read about 10 years ago. And it really, it really affected me. It was sort of the first time that I realized that I had, I had just graduated KPA at that point that I had kind of learned how to use this technology of this field of sciences, field of behavioral science to train dogs. But really the same basic bits and pieces could be used to do things way outside of helping people get their dogs to not pee and poop in the house.


    And actually, Walden Two, which is, it’s not a book to be read because it’s like fine writing. It’s a book written by a scientist to communicate ideas. And when it came out it was, it was likened to the idea of creating a dog obedience school for humans. And was also called fascism without tears. And it, I mean, I guess there is fascism in his suggestions for how a utopia could be, but also communism, and also a kind of socio libertarianism.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast




    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    Air B and...Pee? Sniff Spot allows dog owners to rent people's yards! Genius! Mar 12, 2021
    Show notes

    When David Adams' girlfriend traveled with her dog, she had an issue: The dog only liked to pee in yards. Adams, who had previously build a site for people looking for short-term apartment rentals, had an idea: What if there where people could rent... yards? So, he built SniffSpot.com, which allows people to rent out their fenced-in outdoor spaces to dogs, hourly. Annie and David discuss how this innovative service may revolutionize the way dogs are able to exercise and socialize.


    Learn more at SniffSpot.com.


    Like this episode! Please leave a review on iTunes!


    Support School For The Dogs by shopping at storeforthedogs.com


    Download our new app to join the conversation at http://schoolforthedogs.com/community


    Special thanks to Bill and Lizzie of Toast Garden for creating our Season Three intro song! Find them on Youtube.com/toastgarden


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    All right, David. Thanks for being here. Why don’t you just go ahead and tell me about yourself and your really interesting business.


    David Adams:


    Yeah, yeah, definitely. Thanks for having me. So Sniff Spot, maybe I’ll start by telling you how it came about and I can talk about it a little bit.


    Annie:


    And if you don’t mind, tell me your full name and where you’re based.


    David:


    Yes. So my full name is David Adams and I’m currently living in Boston.


    Annie:


    Okay. And Sniff Spot. Is Sniff Spot your baby?


    David:


    Yes. Yes. One of them, one of them.


    Annie:


    Oh, okay. Well, are there other babies that we’re going to need to know about?


    David:


    There are other babies, there are two fur babies named Soba and Toshi, and they came before Sniff Spot and they actually inspired Sniff Spot.


    Annie:


    So what is Sniff Spot for those who don’t know?


    David:


    Yeah. So Sniff Spot is Airbnb for dog parks. The idea is that anyone can offer their land or their yard as a safe and private space for dogs to play. And people that have dogs can book hourly for private time with their dogs, for exercise, training, whatever they want.


    Annie:


    That’s such an interesting idea. So when did you first come up with this idea and tell me about its evolution


    David:


    Yeah, so I was living in Seattle at the time. And I had just met this wonderful woman who is now my wife and I had my dog Soba and she had her dog Toshi. And I was going around to dog parks with Soba. I was a first time dog owner and just kept having bad experiences. Soba is high energy, she’s a lab pit mix. And I needed to exercise her, but dog parks, you know, there were dogs there she didn’t get along with. They felt dirty and not hygienic. So I was feeling dissatisfied.




    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    Dog Training Q and A! 3/11/2021:Bringing a fearful puppy onto the city streets and/or to the dog park Mar 11, 2021
    Show notes

    This is a bonus episode: A recording of a live Q and A.


    Join Annie Grossman for a live Q and A most Thursdays on Instagram @schoolforthedogs.


    Get alerted about the next one or ask a question in advance at http://schoolforthedogs.com/qanda.


    She also sometimes goes live to answer questions on Clubhouse. Find her there: @anniegrossman.


    Here, Annie talks to an SFTD client who has a young rescue dog who became frightened about going outside after some bad experiences on walks. The owner has been bringing the dog to off-leash time at School For The Dogs in NYC and wants Annie's thoughts on bringing him to the dog park.
    Mentioned in this episode:


    Dog Body Language course available at http://schoolforthedogs.com/courses


    Lili Chin's book Doggie Language https://amzn.to/3cpAO1e


    Sue Sternberg's dog park app


    Learn more about off-leash offerings at School For The Dogs at SchoolForTheDogs.com


    Dogs under 5 months: https://www.schoolforthedogs.com/services/puppy-playtime/


    Dogs over 5 months: https://www.schoolforthedogs.com/services/school-yard/


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    So Katie with her dachshund mix. Katie wrote:


    I got three-ish months old Sunny on January 13th and he has settled in swimmingly. He’s happy go lucky, playful, but overall, very calm and observant. One standout example. When a stranger came in the house briefly, he all blinked at him. He only barks in the mornings to get out of his crate. He’s crate trained and he sleeps for around eight hours every night.


    The issue: he was with foster mom on a farm before coming to be in Brooklyn and was increasingly skittish on our initial walks to the park. Note, he was on pain meds from his neutering at first. As days oere on and pain meds wore off this continued. So I started picking him up and walking him to the park. Eventually he didn’t want to go outside at all.


    We had a couple of unfortunate incidents that may have sped up the snowballing, including spooky home alone, where the passers-by, and one Pitbull that got a little too close sending Sunny between my boots and then yelping like a car alarm. I tried using treats, but after day five of growing anxiety, frankly, on both of our parts, I stuck to a pee pad in our backyard and we’ve since had great success with him going on command on the pads, both inside and outside.


    My question, how soon is too soon to hit the sidewalk and or the park? He’s had two rounds of vaccinations and we’re going to puppy socialization class at School for the Dogs on Monday.


    But again, she wrote this like a month ago and she just wrote me a little bit of an update. Let me see if I can find it, but I did also invite her to come on to chat here. So earlier today she wrote...


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast




    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    Bonus: Annie reads aloud John B. Watson's 1913 essay "Psychology As The Behaviorist Views it" Mar 08, 2021
    Show notes

    Professor John B. Watson's 1913 essay argues that psychology should be studied from a behavioral perspective, echoes some of the same conversations that are had today between dog trainers who are approach dog training as a science and those who approach dog training by making assumptions about dogs' internal feelings and motivations.


    Read "Psychology As The Behaviorist Views it" in full at http://anniegrossman.com/watsonessay


    Thoughts on this? Join the conversation by downloading the School For The Dogs Community app


    find it in iTunes: http://schoolforthedogs.com/app


    find it in the Play store: http://schoolforthedogs.com/play


    ---
    Transcript:


    [Intro]


    Annie:


    Happy Monday morning humans. I am going to take advantage of this quiet moment in my home. Quiet because my daughter’s wonderful babysitter has brought her to the playground. To share with you an essay I just looked up that I actually have not read in several years, but I remember it left quite an impression on me when I did read it.


    It’s from Psychological Review from 1913 by John B. Watson. I looked this up because I am working on some of the lectures that are going with our online professional course, which, I’m just finishing up these lectures. And I did a lecture on the history of dog training, and the history of dog training and both in universities and in pop culture, I guess is the best way to describe what the lecture is.


    And I mentioned Skinner and said something about how Skinner was influenced by the work of Ivan Pavlov and John B. Watson. Both of whom were mostly working in the very early 1900s. And I kind of just started looking up stuff about John B. Watson. Again, I got on kind of a Watson kick a few years ago. I read part of his biography, which I’d actually like to look at again. I think Watson has probably due his own episode at some point, and is widely considered the OG daddy of the field of behavioral science as I understand it.


    Briefly put, he was a psychology professor, I think at Johns Hopkins. His most famous experiment was most likely the baby Albert experiment, where he showed you could condition a child to be scared of all things fuzzy, like rabbits and that kind of thing, by pairing similar fuzzy furry things with a loud scary noise. It’s pretty cruel and weird considering his research subject was a non-verbal 18 month old boy named little Albert. But still interesting as it certainly relates to so much dog training where we see dogs become conditioned to fear seemingly random things.


    And he ended up leaving academics, I think because of some sort of affair he had with a student. And he ended up at the famous ad agency, J Walter Thompson, where he used what he had studied and learned about human behavior in order to manipulate humans into buying things. He is credited with having popularized the idea of a coffee break, giving people a built-in reason in their day to stop and go drink and buy coffee. So if you are a big coffee drinker, as I am, you might just have John B. Watson to thank for your very stained teeth.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    In Defense of Negative Punishment: Teaching dogs patience at mealtime, stopping thumb sucking & more Mar 05, 2021
    Show notes

    Is all punishment necessarily bad? Nope! There are two kinds of punishment, and one of them is actually frequently used by so called "positive reinforcement" trainers like Annie: Negative Punishment. Here Annie breaks down what Negative Punishment is, talks about how it interplays with positive reinforcement, and explains its role in the "Elevator Game," which is a great exercise you can to do at mealtimes in order to teach a dog to not bum-rush the food bowl. She also reads from Behavior Principles In Every Day Life by John D. Baldwin and Janice I. Baldwin, which talks about a study in which parents used negative punishment at story time in order to discourage children from sucking their thumbs.
    Behavior Principles In Every Day Life by John D. Baldwin and Janice I. Baldwin, https://amzn.to/3qd8TXf


    Eileen Anderson on Extinction https://eileenanddogs.com/blog/category/extinction-2/


    Other episodes and blog posts on this topic:


    Episode 65: Don't let your dog cry it out: On training dogs to be alone
    https://anniegrossman.com/2020/06/training/episode-65-dont-let-your-dog-cry-it-out-on-training-dogs-to-be-alone/10141/


    Episode 47: A busy person's guide to operant conditioning
    https://anniegrossman.com/2019/04/training/episode-47-a-busy-persons-guide-to-operant-conditioning/10094/


    The Big Bang Theory explains Operant and Classical Conditioning
    https://anniegrossman.com/2012/03/funnies/operant-conditioning-as-explained-by-the-big-bang-theory/4094/


    Dog Training Lessons Learned From Watching Girls
    https://anniegrossman.com/2013/02/training/dog-training-lessons-learned-from-watching-girls-54375/7793/


    ---


    Partial Transcript:


    [Intro and music]


    Annie:


    So a few years ago near where I live in Manhattan, I saw a woman walking a dog with a shock collar, like a really big shock collar, bright, I think it was like bright yellow. And she had the remote very conspicuously in her hand. And maybe I shouldn’t have done this, but I posted a photo of it, I think an Instagram stories of her with her dog and a shock collar. Like from the back, you couldn’t really tell who she was or who the dog was.


    Again, maybe I shouldn’t have done this, but turns out she was a client of another dog trainer that has a studio, not that far from a school for the dogs in Manhattan. And I ended up taking the photo down but not before there was some back and forth in comments if I remember correctly on this photo. Maybe it wasn’t in stories, maybe it was in the feed.


    Anyway, there were comments, kind of along the lines of how we as quote unquote positive reinforcement trainers don’t understand the importance of using all four quadrants of operant conditioning, and that — although I think this trainer referred to them as corners — that we, we really can’t be good dog trainers unless we understand and use all four corners, AKA quadrants.


    So operant conditioning, is the process of learning by consequence. If you do something, there is a consequence and the consequence can either be punishing or reinforcing. The consequence can be involving adding something or subtracting something. And if you’re adding something, we call it positive.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    Dog Training Q and A! 3/4/2021: How SFTD hires trainers, dealing with a suddenly fearful dog + teaching a recall without treats Mar 04, 2021
    Show notes

    This is a bonus episode: A recording of a live Q and A.


    Join Annie Grossman for a live Q and A most Thursdays on Instagram @schoolforthedogs.


    Get alerted about the next one or ask a question in advance at http://schoolforthedogs.com/qanda.


    She also sometimes goes live to answer questions on Clubhouse. Find her there: @anniegrossman.


    Here, Annie answers three questions:


    @gussiethehussie asks: "How do you vet the trainers you hire? What sort of continuing ed do they get?"


    @artielepup asks: "Why is my dog suddenly so reactive"


    @roxyriddler asks: "My pup is no longer interested in recall unless she sees a treat! Help!"


    Mentioned in this episode:


    School For The Dogs' Professional Courses
    Association For Professional Dog Trainers
    Certification Council For Professional Dog Trainers
    Tawzer
    Clicker Expo
    ClickerTraining.com


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    Hi. This is a bonus Q and A episode. I try and go live every Thursday afternoon on the School for the Dog's Instagram account, which is simply @SchoolfortheDogs. If you would like to ask a question in advance or be notified when I am going to go live, you can go to SchoolfortheDogs.com/qanda. I also periodically answer questions on Clubhouse. You can find me there @AnnieGrossman.


    GussietheHussie says: how do you get the trainers you hire? What sort of continued education do they get?


    Very good questions. So, a few years ago, we started our professional program training people up to become professional dog trainers. And I think that's Sophie. Hey, Sophie. And part of the reason we did that was because we had trouble finding trainers that we felt like we wanted to work with. It's really hard to find good dog trainers out there. And I'm happy to share some tips on how to find some good dog trainers.


    But before I do, I should plug that we are putting our professional program largely online. And what's extra exciting about that is a lot of the content is actually totally free because we want there to be more educated good dog trainers out there. We wanted to take away as many of the barriers as possible. So we are just on the brink of launching the full suite of courses, but the first two first two are up and you can get them schoolforthedogs.com/courses.


    The completely free open-source one which contains most of our professional course online content written content is called Born to Behave. You can find it there, you can sign up there. And there's like a tier one professional course which is the same content as Born to Behave. But you do get a certificate at the end, if you do all the parts and do the quizzes.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    A conversation with Terra Newell (former groomer, owner of a mini Aussie) about killing her stepfather... and dogs Mar 01, 2021
    Show notes

    We're posting this as a bonus episode because it isn't really about dog training... but it's something we think you will want to listen to if you love dogs and empathize with people who love them. If you've heard the podcast Dirty John, or seen the dramatization on TV, also called Dirty John, you'll know that it's a story that is... complicated. The hero of the real-life true-crime story is Terra Newell, a soft-spoken dog groomer who was attacked by her sociopath stepfather one night when she and her dog were coming home from a day working at a shelter. Annie and Terra talk about her life with pets, the traumatic experience she and her dog experienced, how her dog impacted her recovery, and more.


    You can find Terra on Instagram at @terranewell
    Dirty John Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-john/id1272970334
    Dirty John on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80241855


    Mentioned in this episode:
    Don't Shoot The Dog https://amzn.to/37Nn7I2
    The Human Magnet Syndrome https://amzn.to/3bzBv7G


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    So I’m posting this as a bonus episode because it’s not really about dog training, but it is about a pretty incredible and traumatic experience that a woman who is a huge dog lover had with her dog. And I explain it in this conversation, which I recorded live on Instagram, why I wanted to talk to Terra Newell, who I first learned about from the podcast Dirty John. She is also portrayed in the dramatization of the story Dirty John, in the TV show called Dirty John.


    I think I say this in the conversation, but there’s so many things to talk about and think about that are brought up in Dirty John. But of course, with my dog training point of view, all I could think was this woman should become a dog trainer! [laughs] Anyway, I don’t think that is part of Terra Newell’s life plan, but I was happy that she agreed to talk to me.


    You can find Terra on Instagram @terranewell. I also just wanted to mention that my recording settings were a little off for the first minute of this conversation, but then they were fixed. So you will hear a transition about a minute in.


    Terra:


    I had to put you on mute on my computer.


    Annie:


    Yeah, I’m putting you on mute here too so I only have to record in one in one place, but I am psyched to get to talk to you, and what a beautiful dog. So is he a mini Aussie?


    Terra:


    Yeah, he’s a mini Aussie. He’s technically known for the AKC as a North American shepherd now, because the mini Aussies are considered their own breed because they had to use a Chihuahua or like the smallest of the smallest Aussie to kind of try to breed that breed.


    Annie:


    What made you decide to get that, or to get him?


    Terra:


    So I was at a pet store, working there, and I was with this guy, in a relationship, and he was obsessed with Aussies. And I was just like, okay, I kind of want a papillon because they have the butterfly ears, and I really liked that, and then I was like, well, they’re kind of cool.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    SFTD Off-Leash Manager Adam Davis on training as a teenager & developing a career specializing in helping dogs socialize Feb 26, 2021
    Show notes

    When Adam Davis came to work at School For The Dogs in late 2019, he was only in his mid-twenties but already had a decade of working with dogs professionally under his belt. In particular, his background involved a lot of hours spent helping city dogs learn to co-exist, and play, off leash. Today, he runs School For The Dogs' unique School Yard program-- a by-appointment, trainer-supervised members-only dog run -- and also oversees puppy playtimes, in addition to working private with clients. He and Annie discuss his early introduction to the world of science-based training, his interest in police dogs, his rescue dog Sonic, and more.


    Book a session with Adam at http://schoolforthedogs.com/adam
    Learn more about School Yard and Puppy Playtime at http://schoolforthedogs.com/services
    Mentioned in this episode: The Human Half Of Dog Training


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    So I am here with Adam Davis. Adam, why don’t you introduce yourself with your official School for the Dogs title.


    Adam:


    Hi, Annie, thank you for having me on. Yeah, my name is Adam Davis and I am the off-leash manager at the School for the Dogs.


    Annie:


    And what does that mean?


    Adam:


    So pretty much, we have these really cool services, it’s called our Off Leash services, right? Pretty much it sounds exactly how it sounds you get to come into the school and allow your dog to be off-leash in a highly controlled and constructive kind of way. Our services are great for —


    Annie:


    And to be clear that the owners are there.


    Adam:


    Yeah. Owners are there, you’re there with your dog. You’re talking to other parents, you’re talking to the trainer, that’s there. Yeah, we definitely want people to be involved with their dog, especially when it’s in an off-leash kind of setting


    Annie:


    And we have two different kinds off leash services, which are?


    Adam:


    Yes we do. Yeah. We have the puppy ones, which, you come in it’s puppy play time. You get to learn a little bit about how dogs communicate to one another, when to give breaks. Really, really valuable. I would suggest this to anyone that has a puppy. It’s so valuable to have our puppy socialized in a highly controlled manner. So that’s the puppy side. That’s the cool, that’s the baby side. Right.


    And then we have school yard, which is a little bit of a step up. It’s for dogs that are 20 weeks and older. Very much a similar kind of structure, but a little bit more laid back, I would say. So school yard is really great for dogs that want to be social, that can communicate well. That can take communication well. And it’s a great space for them to be able to come and socialize in a highly controlled manner. This is for adult dogs. Well, not really adult, but non puppies.


    Annie:


    Some of, some of them are adults. We have some. Well, I think the part of the reason it’s maybe like less controlled as you say is because it’s… I mean, puppy playtime often, it’s, someone’s first time there with their dog. Whereas school yard, we have people who come almost every day of the week for years, so they don’t need as much as much instruction.


    So why don’t you talk about the process of getting into school yard. Puppy play time of course is open to puppies who’ve had at least their first round of shots.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


    Get full access to Don't Be a Dick to Your Dog at dogtraining.substack.com/subscribe

    A group discussion about The New Yorker article, "Bad Dog," with its author Anna Heyward Feb 25, 2021
    Show notes

    Anna Heyward is a writer and a School For The Dogs apprentice who has been featured on this podcast. She joined Annie and others to discuss her heartbreaking new article in The New Yorker, "Bad Dog," on Clubhouse. Their discussion touched on the complicated world of behavioral euthanasia, the cultural fog about dog training and the rampant misinformation about it, and more. Former School For The Dogs trainer Anamarie Johnson, also previously interviewed on this podcast, was among those who joined the conversation.


    Find Annie on Clubhouse at @anniegrossman. Looking for a Clubhouse invite? Text 917-414-2625


    Read Anna's article at NewYorker.com https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/bad-dog


    Anna Heyward is on Instagram at: @biggirl.world


    Mentioned in this article:


    School For The Dogs courses (including a FREE one) for aspiring dog trainers http://schoolforthedogs.com/courses


    The Freedom Harness


    https://storeforthedogs.com/products/freedom-harness


    Lessons learned from foster dogs: A discussion with our apprentice Anna Heyward


    https://anchor.fm/dashboard/episode/ejr8oh


    Let’s talk about classical conditioning with dog trainer Anamarie Johnson


    https://anchor.fm/dogs/episodes/Lets-talk-about-Pavlov-with-dog-trainer-Anamarie-Johnson-e1goa1/a-a3johv


    Authors mentioned in this episode:


    Sophia Yin https://amzn.to/3smqwoO


    Kathy Sdao https://amzn.to/3sxQkyx


    Lili Chin https://amzn.to/3smqPjs


    Karen Pryor https://amzn.to/3koAT8U


    Patricia McConnell https://amzn.to/3aUu0Ju


    Jean Donaldson https://amzn.to/3dOaWhU


    ---
    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    This is a bonus episode that was recorded on Clubhouse. Clubhouse is an app for iOS devices that is currently open by invitation only. If you would like an invitation text me at (917) 414-2625. And if I have an invite available, I will share it with you. You can find me there @AnnieGrossman.


    So thanks for being here, everybody I’ve asked Yolanta who is a virtual assistant specializing in dog businesses to be here to help me moderate this room. Cause I’ve never moderated a room before and I didn’t want to get it wrong. And Anna Heyward is here. Anna wrote the wonderful, very moving poignant article, Bad Dog, which appeared in the New Yorker last week. Anna Heyward is a School for the Dogs apprentice and started out with us as a client.


    I actually interviewed Anna for the podcast a few months ago and then wanted to have another conversation with her for the podcast about her article, but thought it would be fun and interesting to open it up to others who read the article. So Anna, thank you for being here. And if anybody would like to ask Anna a question or discuss the article, just go ahead and use that like hand raising button on the bottom of the screen and Yolanta or I will ping you to to the stage to speak.


    Full Transcript available at SchoolfortheDogs.com/Podcast


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    News flash: Positive reinforcement isn't about being kind! Feb 19, 2021
    Show notes

    After attending two webinars where people extolled the virtues of positive reinforcement, Annie was left wondering why the term seems to be so misunderstood-- or maybe she is the one misunderstanding it? While she tries to train using positive reinforcement and she believes the world would be a nicer place if people were able to identify positive reinforcement and use it more effectively, she doesn't see it as some kind of sugar-coated panacea. Positive reinforcement can be very mundane! It is why you look at your phone. It's why you put one foot in front of the other when you walk, and why you push the gas pedal to make your car move forward. If a behavior has been encouraged, it has been reinforced. If it has been encouraged because of the addition of something, rather than the subtraction of something, it has been positively reinforced. So why has the term "positive reinforcement" gotten so mixed up with the idea of kindness? Yelling "No!" can positively reinforce a dog for jumping, and hugging a person might do the opposite of positively reinforcing a given behavior.


    Annie recorded this episode on Clubhouse and was joined by podcast listener Leeyah (@leeyahiredale) and Dallas-based trainer Beth (@rehabyourrescue).


    If you're on Clubhouse, join Annie on Thursday February 25 at 3PM ET for a discussion with SFTD apprentice Anna Heyward about her article, "Bad Dog," published in this week's New Yorker.


    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/bad-dog


    https://www.joinclubhouse.com/event/mWVGKyBY


    If you need an invite to join Clubhouse (currently available on iOS devices only), text 917-414-2625


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    Partial Transcript:


    Annie:


    I was an attendee in two different webinars earlier this month. One was hosted by the BF Skinner foundation, and the other one was also by a dog training group. But they were both CEU earning webinars, pretty legit. Both were hosted by PhDs.


    One was not specifically about dog training. It was about I think the title was something like “how kindness helped me navigate the world of applied behavior analysis.” There was something about kindness. And the other one was about race and dog training.


    So I am a dog trainer and a big behavior nerd and very interested in kind of different takes on behavior, sort of tangential to dog training. So was interested in both of these presentations. But I ended up walking away -- well, they were right after the other, one was one day, one was the next day.


    And I ended up feeling kind of frustrated with both of them and tried to try to chat to the moderators while it was happening. But there were a lot of people in the room, and I couldn't seem to ask a question or say something in a way that made sense. But the takeaway from both of them was sort of like rah, rah, rah, isn't positive reinforcement a wonderful thing?


    And in the one about race, it was interesting. It was this black dog trainer who I think is, I think she's a psychologist and she was interviewing kids in, I guess she lives in like Ohio, Midwest in a very white area. And she was basically interviewing children about about her, and like working with her, and what it means to work with someone who is black, or person of color was the term that was used.


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