How Not to Raise a Serial Killer

“Serial Killer Session” with Dr. Michelle Ward | Lipstick & Lies Ep. 002 Sep 14, 2023

In this episode of Lipstick & Lies, hosts Melissa Moore and Jami Rice speak with Criminal Psychologist, Dr. Michelle Ward. The ladies discuss everything from common misconceptions regarding serial killers to red flags people should watch out for in a romantic relationship. Dr. Michelle Ward also weighs in on the Gilgo Beach Murders case which recently had a major update with the arrest of Rex Heuermann who is suspected to be the the Long Island Serial Killer. But before diving into the dark topic of serial killers, Jami and Melissa play a game of “Would You Rather” with Dr. Ward as a warm-up to their deep dive on serial killers.

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Crime is typically a good ol’ boys club, but sometimes the truth lies behind lipstick.

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Listen Now - Over My Dead Body: Gone Hunting Aug 21, 2023

When Mike Williams vanishes on a hunting trip, the authorities suspect he was eaten by alligators but the true predators who took Mike may lurk much closer to home. The mystery of Mike’s disappearance might have faded from memory, if it wasn’t for one woman’s tireless crusade. From Wondery, comes a new season of Over My Dead Body; a story about an obsessive love affair, a scandalous secret and a mother’s battle for the truth.

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Looks Who's Stalking Episode One Katie Socci: Stalked to Death Jun 06, 2023

In the inaugural episode of Look Whose Stalking, Dr. Michelle Ward talks about the stalking case of Katie Socci. Ex-boyfriend David McNamara, accused of strangling his estranged girlfriend to death, plead guilty to second-degree murder after a stalking case gone wrong.

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Introducing: Look Who's Stalking May 30, 2023

On Look Who's Stalking, Dr. Michelle Ward takes you through the most tragic stalking cases of our time. Ex-lovers, secret obsessions, friendships turned sour: Michelle dissects the motives of each stalker and outlines how you can spot the tell-tale signs of a potential stalker. Michelle is a neuro-criminologist who has studied and interviewed the worst criminals and predators in the world, and with this podcast, she hopes to prevent others from falling victim to crimes of obsession.

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"The Count" & Interview with Victims Family Apr 13, 2023

This week, Michelle Ward covers a case that took the life of a young girl named Lisa Ann Mather. The killer known as “The Count” looked for young victims simply enjoying their nights out on the town in Los Angeles, CA. Michelle got the opportunity to speak with both Lisa Mather's aunt and sister, Nancy and Roz, to hear their side of the tragic story. Take a listen and hear more about the Lisa Mather case from first hand experiences with her actual family members.

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Encore Episode: Lisa Montgomery- The Only Woman on Federal Death Row Mar 28, 2023

On this weeks episode of HNTRASK, we're re-releasing a fan favorite, where Michelle is joined by Missi and Abigail to discuss the unimaginable crimes committed by Lisa Montgomery. In 2004, Lisa and Bobby Jo Stinnett connected on social media through a dog breeding group. Under the guise of purchasing a puppy, Lisa was invited to Bobby Jo's home. After a gruesome murder and the kidnapping of an unborn child (you read that right...) Lisa became the first female prisoner to be put to death by the U.S. government since 1953. Listen to Michelle, Missi, and Abigail as they discuss Lisa's traumatic childhood, the life of crime that followed, and what can be done to prevent this.

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Payton Gendron: The Live-Stream Killer Mar 14, 2023

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle discusses the 2022 Buffalo shooting at a local Tops Friendly Market. Thirteen people were shot, 10 fatally. The gunman posted a 180-page manifesto just two days before his attack. Even worse, he live-streamed his slayings on Twitch.

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The Dating App Killer Feb 28, 2023

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle brings back Love Before 100 host Rachel Burch to discuss the dangers of dating apps, and a serial killer who used them as a means to finding his victims. Tune in to hear the story of murderer Khalil Wheeler-Weaver, results of peer-reviewed studies of dating apps and rape, and first hand experiences of dating app close calls.

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The Butcher of Rostov Feb 14, 2023

This episode contains extremely disturbing descriptions of violence and brutality towards children and Ukrainian POWs. Listener digression is strongly advised.

On this week’s episode of HNTRASK, Michelle and Francis discuss the worst of the worst, Andrei Romanovich Chikatillo. Andrei, nicknamed The Butcher of Rostov, was a killer who other killers would find appalling. Preying almost exclusively on children, The Butcher received this moniker because of his gruesome M.O.: gouging out the eyes of his victims and often removing their organs for sexual gratification. While Andrei was obviously mentally unwell, and that is the understatement of the century, his upbringing in the communist USSR did not help his preexisting conditions. He grew up during a time of extreme famine, where cannibalism was common practice.

Listen in to this conversation to learn more about The Butcher, his disturbing childhood, and the historical context that may have played a major role in his success and brutality as a serial killer.

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The Amazon Review Killer Jan 31, 2023

Michelle is back with her good friend Maleeda to discuss Todd Kohlhepp, "The Amazon Review Killer." Tune in to learn about the horrific crimes of Todd Kohlhepp, the signs of a fledgling psychopath, and strategies for parenting children with psychopathy.

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Resources

Evidence-based psychosocial treatments of conduct problems in children and adolescents: an overview

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6762114/

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A Psychopath in Coach's Clothing Jan 17, 2023

This week on HNTRASK, Michelle and her good friend Kevin kick off this episode by going through some of the wildest crimes in football. Something all of these criminals have in common? They all played for the Florida Gators. Who coached (or groomed) these men to lack empathy and act impulsively? Listen this week as Michelle discusses the violent track record of the Florida Gators and their ringleader, who may be the worst of them all.

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Newton Laughs At Female Reporter’s Question YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3morj18dJE

Jaguars Head Coach Fired YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpFKsHqbD14

Chuck Hughes Collapses on the Field YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlyvFg9-S4

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The Murderous Alter of Deryl Madison Jan 03, 2023

On this episode, Michelle and her good friend Jessica discuss the unique case of Deryl Madison and his murderous alter. Madison was diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) by Dr. Wendall Dickerson after clearly being unable to recall many of his actions related to a homicide and revealing a murderous alter named Bubba. While this seems awfully convenient for a killer to forget his crimes, many of Madison's statements point to his eventual diagnosis, including a quote from his most recent TV appearance, “I feel there was someone else inside of me, besides me."

Tune in this week to learn Michelle's personal take on this case, the tragic causes of DID, how to spot DID in children, and resources for parents with children affected by this disorder.

In this episode, Michelle reiterates that there are harmful stereotypes that people who suffer from mental illness are frequently violent criminals, and this is completely untrue. The vast majority of people with mental illness are not violent criminals, and the relationship between mental illness and violent crime is elusive.

Child Dissociative Checklist + The Adolescent Dissociative Experiences Scale

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The Vampire Cult Killer Dec 20, 2022

This week, Michelle delves into the story of The Vampire Cult Killer. A thirst for power (and blood) brought a teenage boy to commit a most atrocious crime. Tune in as our host unravels details of the killer's childhood, explains what parents can do to prevent their children from joining a vampire cult, and talks with her good friend Beth about whether vampires vacation at Disneyland.

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The Sinister Consequences of Lead Poisoning Dec 06, 2022

Do you know what toxins lurk in the walls of your own home? Join Michelle and her good friend Kevin as they dive into three different murders and find their common thread: a toxic substance that inflicts permanent brain damage on its victims, lead.

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A Case of Botched Restorative Justice Nov 22, 2022

On this episode, Michelle and her childhood friend Christa discuss the tragic murder of Deborah Liles and the botched attempt of restorative justice that followed. The killer's past raises questions about the physical effects of systematic oppression and trauma on young children. Why are some neighborhoods plagued with violence? What are the consequences of growing up in communities with high crime rates? And what can we do about it in our own communities and our greater society? Michelle answers these questions and more on this week's episode.

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Introducing Mind of a Monster: One Serial Killer Follows Another Nov 15, 2022

In this season, criminal psychologist Dr. Michelle Ward takes us to Washington State in the 1970s to investigate two of the most prolific serial killers in US history – Ted Bundy and the so-called Green River Killer, Gary Ridgway. Both use deception to prey on young women and utilize the vast terrain to dump their bodies. And they did it almost 100 times between them – maybe more.

In this episode, multiple young women are disappearing without a trace. Then, on September 7, law enforcement’s worst fears are confirmed when human remains are found in the woods near Issaquah. But there is even worse to come…

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Brad Waldroup and "The Warrior Gene" Nov 08, 2022

Are some people destined to kill? What if there was a gene that could predict one's propensity to become a murderer? Well, it's complicated... On today's episode, Michelle and Rachel Burch discuss the gruesome murder of Leslie Bradshaw and how the MAOA gene or "The Warrior Gene" played a part in getting Brad Waldroup a lighter sentence.

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Dissecting the Medical Serial Killer with Guest Pia Baroncini Oct 25, 2022

DISCLAIMER: This episode contains discussion of infanticide. Listener discretion is advised.

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle invites entrepreneur, creative director, and podcaster Pia Baroncini (and her dog Nutella) to discuss the dark side of medicine. Following the arrest of serial killer Nurse Lucy Letby, who worked at Countess of Chester Hospital in the UK, Michelle brings to light the different classifications of medical serial killers and what motivates them to break their Hippocratic Oath.

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Jeffrey Dahmer Part II: Beyond the Netflix Documentary Oct 15, 2022

Oops! Were you confused at the end of this week's episode? So were we! A technical glitch that cut the episode in half left us all hanging! Hold on to your hats and glasses, because here is the unanticipated Part II of Michelle and Heidi's Dahmer deep dive!

Today, Michelle and Heidi go beyond the new Netflix documentary, "DAHMER - Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story." Learn more about Dahmer's childhood and psychological disorders while Michelle answers your questions from Instagram!

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Jeffrey Dahmer Part I: Beyond the Netflix Documentary Oct 11, 2022

Join Michelle and her sister Heidi as they go beyond the new Netflix documentary, "DAHMER - Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story." Learn more about Dahmer's childhood and disorders while Michelle answers your questions from Instagram!

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Postpartum Psychosis with Kiva Founder Jessica Jackley Sep 27, 2022

This episode discusses several cases of infanticide. Listener discretion is advised.

On this special episode of HNTRASK, Michelle circles back to one of the most important themes of this podcast, how can we bolster prenatal and postpartum support on an individual and societal level, so that in turn, parents can better support their children? Dr. Ward and her esteemed guest Jessica Jackley discuss the overlooked and underdiagnosed mental illness of postpartum psychopathy. Three months after giving birth, in the wake of troubling psychological symptoms, Erin Merdy drowned her three children on Coney Island. When we read stories like this, we often wonder, How could a mother do this to her children? It is unfathomable.

After hearing the story of Erin Merdy, Michelle, PhD in Psychology and Clinical Neurology expert, was prompted to discuss the underpinnings of murders like this, and bring to light an underrecognized mental disorder that was once erased from DSM.

If you or someone you know needs postpartum support - Michelle recommends the organizations below. Both are LGBTQ affirmative organizations.

Postpartum Support International https://www.postpartum.net/

Postpartum Stress Center https://postpartumstress.com/

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Jeffrey Landrigan: The Perils of Inheritance Sep 13, 2022

Join Michelle and Alison as they discuss one of the most astonishing cases of "like father, like son." This episode, Michelle details the brash criminal acts and wild family secrets of Jeffrey Landrigan. She wraps this episode with a discussion on the significance of twin studies in criminal psychology research - AKA her dissertation!

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Encore Episode: Levi King and Childhood Psychopathy Sep 06, 2022

This week we are releasing an encore episode about a killer that Michelle has interviewed herself, Levi King. If you haven't listened through already, be sure to tune in! HNTRASK will release a brand new episode next week about an adopted killer with astonishing, eerie similarities to his biological family.

In September 2005, 23-year-old Levi King was forced to leave his father’s home in Pineville, Missouri. He had been there for a week after violating his parole terms and fleeing a halfway house. After waiting for his father to leave in the morning, Levi grabbed several of his fathers guns without his knowledge and began a tragic killing spree that would soon result in five innocent victims. This week on How Not To Raise A Serial Killer, Dr. Michelle Ward and her good friend Alli recount the details of Levi King's killing spree and tragic childhood, as they discuss what could have been done to prevent it.

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Israel Keyes Part II: The Evolution of a Psychopath Aug 23, 2022

This week, Michelle and Missy continue to discuss Israel Keyes. The hosts share more shocking details of Samantha's kidnapping and discuss the psychopathy that lead Keyes' to commit these meticulous murders. Michelle also explains how to spot psychopathy in your children (and their friends), empathy as a sixth sense, and therapies to reorganize psychopathic minds to curb violent tendencies.

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Israel Keyes Part I: 'Pure Evil Acting At Random' Aug 16, 2022

On February 1st, 2012, Samantha Koenig arrived at a roadside espresso shop to begin her evening shift. Around 8:00PM, Samantha began to close shop, tidying up the place when a man walked up to the window. That man was Israel Keyes, and he was about to commit his last murder. Keyes would send Samantha's family and friends on a scavenger hunt that ultimately lead to his arrest.

On this episode, Michelle brings on her good friend Missy to discuss the many murders, assaults, and burglaries of Israel Keyes while diving into his harrowing childhood.

Tune in next week for Part II, where Michelle and Missy discuss additional shocking details of Samantha's kidnapping and murder, the psychology behind the killer, and how you can spot unique psychopathic traits in your kids... and their friends.

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Peter Sutcliffe: The Yorkshire Ripper Aug 02, 2022

The story of Peter Sutcliffe, or the Yorkshire Ripper, is a lesson in botched justice, prejudice against sex workers, and victim blaming. Between 1975 and 1981, Sutcliffe would kill 13 women - many of whom were sex workers - and attempt to murder 7 to 10 more. Police spoke with Sutcliffe a total of 9 times before they discovered he was responsible for these calculating murders.

In this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle and her good friend Britt discuss the murders of the Yorkshire Ripper, the botched investigation, and how brain damage in newborns can be reversed through different medical interventions.

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Gerald Stano and the Consequences of Maternal Rejection Jul 19, 2022

On the night of March 10th, 1973, in balmy Florida, two teen girls attempted to hitchhike into town for beer and cigarettes. The next morning, their bodies were discovered by a city worker. This was the work of Gerald Stano, a man who allegedly murdered between 30 and 41 women.

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle and her good friend Krista tell the stories of Gerald's victims, discuss Gerald's unfortunate start at life, and share what can be done by communities to prevent maternal rejection by supporting mothers.

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Daniel Byrd and the Conundrum of Teen Dating Violence Jul 05, 2022

In September 2006, Kaity Sudberry began her junior year at Moon Valley High School. Soon after starting the fall semester, Kaity met Daniel Byrd. They immediately became best friends, and as teen relationships do, the friendship quickly escalated into a romance. Over the next year, Daniel's affections turned possessive, and the story ends in every parent's worst nightmare.

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle invites her Aunt Margit on the podcast to discuss the perils and complexities of teen dating violence, and what parents of victims AND abusers can do to prevent this type of violence.

Resources for Teen Violence

Founded by Ric and Bobbi Sudberry, Kaity's Way advocates for healthy teen relationships by providing education, skills and tools to youth and their allies. Visit kaitysway.org for resources and to learn how to get involved in preventing teen dating violence.

The National Teen Dating Abuse Helpline - 800 799 7233 -is a 24-hour telephone helpline created to help teens experiencing dating abuse. NDVH provides empowerment-based crisis intervention, information, and referrals to victims of domestic violence and their friends and families.

love is respect is a national resource to disrupt and prevent unhealthy relationships and intimate partner violence by empowering young people through inclusive and equitable education, support, and resources. Visit loveisrespect.org for resources and to learn how to get involved in preventing dating violence.

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Kelly Cochran: A Psychopath Turned Cannibal Jun 28, 2022

In 2002 two high school sweethearts, eager to start their lives together, exchanged wedding vows. While most of these exchanges were the run-of-the-mill "for better or for worse" and "in sickness and in health" - one of their promises was quite disturbing. On their wedding night, the young couple made a murderous pact... if either of them ever cheated on their spouse, they'd have to kill the extramarital lover.

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle and her good friend Annie dissect the crimes and psyche of serial killer, Kelly Cochran and her husband Jason. As a textbook antisocial psychopath, Kelly used her cold nature and manipulative prowess to evade authorities after (allegedly) killing over a dozen individuals. Kelly's reign of terror finally came to an end at a BBQ she hosted, when her guests began to question why the cuts of BBQ meat looked so strange...

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Teen Opens Fire on Classmates: The Consequences of Inaction Jun 21, 2022

Seen this headline before? In 1998, with a 0.22 caliber rifle gifted from his father, a high school boy killed both of his parents and sprayed over 50 rounds of ammunition into his school's cafeteria. What police found next at the teen's home was something out of a horror movie.

Why do we continue to allow this story to be told again and again? What can be done to extinguish this brand of violence? As Cindy Dean, creator of the Mental Health Education Management for Educators (MHEME), so thoughtfully states... working to extinguish gun violence is not a "prideful project," it must involve compromise. This week, Michelle and her good friend Cindy discuss the story of an unnamed active shooter, what might have led to his depraved acts of violence, and how targeted programs (like MHEME) could curb the frequency of events like this.

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Lisa Montgomery: The Only Woman on Federal Death Row Jun 14, 2022

On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle is joined by Missi and Abigail to discuss the unimaginable crimes committed by Lisa Montgomery. In 2004, Lisa and Bobby Jo Stinnett connected on social media through a dog breeding group. Under the guise of purchasing a puppy, Lisa was invited to Bobby Jo's home. After a gruesome murder and the kidnapping of an unborn child (you read that right...) Lisa became the first female prisoner to be put to death by the U.S. government since 1953. Listen to Michelle, Missi, and Abigail as they discuss Lisa's traumatic childhood, the life of crime that followed, and what can be done to prevent this.

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Patrick Lewis: The Murderous Consequences of Chronic Underarousal Jun 07, 2022

During the 80s and 90s, Patrick Lewis murdered over half a dozen women, preying on sex workers who resembled his ex-lover and mother of his child. His terror on women was overlooked by police again and again, as Patrick was repeatedly released from prison on bail. How did these flagrant killings slip under the radar? What were the underpinnings of Patrick’s MO? Were there warning signs in his childhood that pointed to a future killer? (Spoiler: YES) On this episode of HNTRASK, Michelle dissects young Patrick Lewis with her new friend Renee, and proposes treatments that could have prevented Patrick’s prolific violence. Listen to the full episode wherever you get your podcasts!

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Antonio Bustamante Part II: Medication & Meditation May 31, 2022

In Part II of this episode, Michelle and Maleeda continue to discuss how head injuries can lead to dramatic changes in personality and, in some cases, murder, and Michelle gives some shocking solutions to treating head trauma. What do you do after your child hits their head? What does medication and meditation have to do with any of this? Find out the answer to these questions and listen in on some juicy mom stories on this episode of HNTRASK!

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Antonio Bustamante Part I: The Horrifying Consequences of TBIs May 24, 2022

In 1986, Antonio Bustamante broke into a home to steal. As he ransacked the house. He was in the middle of the burglary when the homeowner returned unexpectedly. The owner was a small 80-year-old man who had only gone to the local grocery store. Instead of barreling past the owner to run away, Antonio beat the man to death with his bare hands. In Part I of this story, Michelle and her good friend Maleeda discuss the murders of Antonio Bustamante, the dire effects of traumatic brain injuries, and what this all has to do with a man named Phineas Gage. Listen to Part II to learn more about how you can prevent and TREAT personality changes after head injuries.

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Dr. Shirley Turner and the Murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner May 17, 2022

Dr. Shirley Turner wreaked havoc on the lives of many, most notably, terrorizing the Bagby familiy. Turner would murder their only son, Andrew, and grandson Zachary in acts of selfishness and entitlement. What drove this woman to commit such atrocious acts against her boyfriend and her infant son? What, if anything, could have been done to stop her from spiraling in this way? On this episode, Michelle and her good friend Amy discuss the murders of Andrew and Zachary, the signs and symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), and how this all relates to the Depp v. Heard Trial.

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Andrew Cunanan: How Not to Raise A Narcissist May 10, 2022

On this episode, Michelle and her sister, Heidi, analyze Andrew Cunanan, the infamous killer of Gianni Versace. After being cut off by his sugar daddy, Cunanan took the lives of five people over the course of three months, culminating in the murder of Versace. What could have driven this otherwise well-to-do socialite to commit five murders? Love? Desperation? Money? Well, Michelle and Heidi have a few ideas... Tune in this week as Michelle and Heidi discuss how certain styles of parenting can exacerbate personality disorders, and how parents can channel perceived negative traits into positive activities.

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Levi King: Psychopathy in Childhood May 03, 2022

In September 2005, 23-year-old Levi King was forced to leave his father’s home in Pineville, Missouri. He had been there for a week after violating his parole terms and fleeing a halfway house. After waiting for his father to leave in the morning, Levi grabbed several of his fathers guns without his knowledge and began a tragic killing spree that would soon result in five innocent victims. This week on How Not To Raise A Serial Killer, Dr. Michelle Ward and her good friend Alli recount the details of Levi King's killing spree and tragic childhood, as they discuss what could have been done to prevent it.

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Matthew Cushing: A Compulsion to Kill Apr 25, 2022

Today, Michelle and fellow mom, Claire, sit down to discuss Matthew Cushing and his unthinkable crime. When Matthew was just a young college student, he woke up one day and decided he needed to travel home from school to kill his stepfather... instead, he killed his entire family. How did this young man from a good family end up doing such a terrible deed? After meeting him face to face, Michelle has some theories about what may have been going on in Matthew's brain, and it's something that all parents should be aware of.

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James Holmes Part 2: "Self-Diagnosis of a Broken Mind" Apr 18, 2022

James Holmes is responsible for one of the worst mass shootings in United States history. But what can we learn from this terrible incident? By looking into Holmes’s childhood symptoms and his undiagnosed schizophrenia, Dr. Michelle Ward finds some important lessons to take away from this tragedy. In Part 2 of this 2 part episode, Dr. Michelle Ward takes a deeper look at schizophrenia and the importance of a proper diagnosis. What can parents do when their own children display symptoms of schizophrenia? How can we fight the stigma against this mental illness (and all mental illnesses) as a society? With the help of her good friend and fellow mom, Courtney, Michelle dives deep so that we can try to prevent a similar tragedy in the future.

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James Holmes Part 1: Falling Through the Cracks Apr 18, 2022

On July 20, 2012, 24 year-old , James Holmes, bought a ticket for “The Dark Knight Rises” and proceeded to enact one of the worst mass shootings in our country’s history up until that point. But how did this tragedy happen, exactly? In Part 1 of this 2 part episode, Dr. Michelle Ward is joined by her good friend and fellow mom, Courtney, to look into Holmes’s childhood symptoms and family history, his urge to diagnose himself by pursuing neuroscience, and the full story of his undiagnosed schizophrenia. Part 2 reveals even deeper truths about childhood schizophrenia that all parents should be aware of, so be sure to listen to part 2 as well!

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