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    Heat Rocks

    Scorching guests and sizzling records: join music writer Oliver Wang and music supervisor Morgan Rhodes each week as they invite their favorite artists, critics and scholars for in-depth conversations about the albums that shape our lives. Each week our special guests will take you deep into their heat rocks from the world of hip-hop, soul, dance, jazz, funk and more. Get with us!

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    B.Slade on Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation 1814" (Recorded Live!) Dec 05, 2017
    Show notes

    This episode is the edited version of our special live launch party we held on Nov. 11 in Los Angeles, as part of the Voyager Institute. We were joined by Grammy-nominated soul artist B.Slade, a self-described "Rhythm Nation-pedia" who, indeed, brought incredible insight and knowledge to our discussion of this seminal Jackson LP. How many people can name every single dancer in Janet's "Miss You Much" video? Exactly.

    It was a delightful conversation and having the live audience was great. It was our first time taping in front of an audience but hopefully won't be our last. Thanks to all those who came out and to those who couldn't, we're happy you finally get to listen to this.

    More on Janet Jackson and Rhythm Nation 1814:

    • Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis' track-by-track breakdown of the album in Billboard.
    • Jimmy Jam on the "making of" Rhythm Nation 1814 in Billboard.
    • Joseph Vogel's "The Nation That Janet Built" for The Atlantic

    More on B.Slade:

    • B.Slade's video for his cover of "Alright."
    • An interview with him by UrbanBridgez.com.
    • Website | Bandcamp | Twitter | Instagram

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Rhythm Nation unless indicated otherwise):

    • Intro from "Rhythm Nation"
    • "Interlude: T.V."
    • B.Slade: Alright 2016
    • "Knowledge"
    • "Interlude: Livin'...In Complete Darkness"
    • "You Need Me" (b-side of the "Miss You Much" single)
    • "Miss You Much"
    • "Alright"
    • Beyonce: "Freedom"
    • "Rhythm Nation"
    • "Miss You Much"
    • "Love Will Never Do"
    • "Someday Is Tonight"
    • "Living In a World They Didn't Make"
    • DeBarge: "Love Me In a Special Way"
    • The Carpenters: "Close To You"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    The Shacks on The Sapphires' "Best Of" Nov 28, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by The Shacks, the NYC-based duo of singer Shannon Wise and producer Max Shrager. Maybe you heard their cool cover of The Kinks' "This Strange Effect" on that Apple adthis fall? Or maybe you were already up on them from their EP, released by Big Crown? Either way, Max and Shannon threw us a curveball with their choice: a 1994 compilation of nearly two dozen sides recorded in the mid-1960s by The Sapphires, the obscure-ish R&B trio of Carol Jackson, George Gainer and Joe Livingston that recorded with Swan and ABC-Paramount before dissolving circa 1966. We talked about the unique sound of The Sapphires, the roots of Philly soul, and what it's like to dig through the crates to figure out your own sound.

    This episode was both the first time we had a group in the studio, which was fun, and the first time we tackled an album from the 1960s. Hopefully, it won't be the last, for either.

    More on The Sapphpires and their Best Of anthology:

    • Soulwalking's page about The Sapphires
    • Bruce Eder's review of the anthology for AllMusic.com

    More on The Shacks:

    • Delicious Audio's interview with them about their foot pedals and production techniques.
    • Supercorruptor's review of their EP.
    • Bandcamp | Instagram | Facebook

    Show Tracklisting:

    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Who Do You Love"
    • The Shacks: The Shacks EP "This Strange Effect"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Lets Break Up For A While"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Gotta Have Your Love"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Evil One"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Come On And Love Me"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Your True Love"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Evil One"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Your True Love"
    • Edison Lighthouse: Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes "Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Hearts Are Made to be Broken"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "I've Got Mine, You Better Get Yours"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Evil One"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Who Do You Love"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Slow Fizz"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Baby You've Got Me"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Hearts Are Made To Be Broken"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Let Break Up For A While"
    • The Sapphires: The very Best of the Sapphires "Gotta Have Your Love"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Ernest Hardy on Sade's "Love Deluxe" Nov 20, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by cultural critic Ernest Hardy. Oliver first got to know Ernest through his remarkable writing in the LA Weekly and other outlets, some of which has been compiled into his Blood Beats Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 collections. For this episode, he chose Sade's Love Deluxe, which came out 25 years ago this fall. Ernest's deep love and appreciation for Sade was readily apparent to both Morgan and Oliver and it produced what we think is one of the most insightful episodes we've taped thus yet. We really loved this episode, we hope you do too.

    Check out bonus content from this episode exclusively at heatrockspod.com!

    More on Sade and Love Deluxe:

    • Album review in Pitchfork.
    • Producer Stuart Matthewman's Ebony interview on the making of the album.

    More on Ernest Hardy:

    • Blood Beats Vol. 1
    • Blood Beats Vol. 2
    • LA Weekly archive
    • Website

    Show Tracklisting:

    • Sade: No Ordinary Love
    • Massive Attack: Blue Lines
    • Smith and Mighty: Too Late
    • Sade: King of Sorrow
    • Sade: Pearls
    • Funk Brothers: Since I Lost You (Instrumental)
    • Sade: Cherish the Day
    • Sade: Feel No Pain
    • Sade: When Am I Going to Make a Living
    • Sade: Clean Heart
    • Sade: Pearls (Live, Hollywood Bowl) Sade: Bulletproof Soul
    • Sade: Somewhere In My Sadness
    • Sade: Kiss of Life

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Anil Dash on Prince's "1999" Nov 14, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by Anil Dash, the tech entrepreneur and activist whose love for The Purple One is legendary. He takes us into the Heat Rocks deep dive for Prince's 1999, the album that marked his new wave turn.All three of us share tales of our older family members being scandalized by the sexy-sexiness on the album. Mmmmmm...spicy.

    More on Prince and 1999:

    • The original Rolling Stone album review.
    • Prince on the Larry King Show in...1999.

    More on Anil Dash:

    • Anil's "I Am #Transformed" talk, which talks about Prince, technology and a history of South Asian immigration to the USA.
    • His guide to listening to Prince on streaming sites.
    • Anil's Website | Twitter

    Show Tracklisting:

    • Prince: 1999 "1999"
    • Prince: 1999 "Delirious"
    • Prince: 1999 "D.M.S.R."
    • Michael Jackson Thriller "Thriller"
    • Prince: 1999 "Little Red Corvette"
    • Prince: 1999 "Lady Cab Driver"
    • Prince: 1999 "Something in the Water"
    • Prince: 1999 "Free"
    • Prince: 1999 "All The Critics Love U in New York"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Ill Camille on Common's "Like Water for Chocolate" Nov 07, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by Los Angeles rapper, Ill Camille. She picked Common's Like Water For Chocolate from 2000, a moment that marked the Chicago's turn towards becoming a hip-hop elder statesman, backed by the production might of the Soulquarians crew. Camille's love for the album runs deep and during the course of our taping, she'd bust out Common's rhymes, line for line.

    More on Common and Like Water For Chocolate:

    • Oliver's original 2000 review of the album for the LA Weekly
    • Mensah Demary's "liner notes" of the album for The Toast.

    More on Ill Camille:

    • Her new album, Heirloom
    • Profile of Ill Camille and Heirloom in the L.A. Weekly
    • Website | Twitter | Soundcloud

    Show Tracklisting:

    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "6th Sense (Feat. Bilal)"
    • Ill Camille Heirloom "Black Gold"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Nag Champa (Afrodisiac for the World)"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Geto Heaven"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "A Song For Assata (Feat. Cee-Lo Green)"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Funky For You (Feat. Bilal & Jill Scott)"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "The Light"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Thelonius (Feat. Slum Village)"
    • Georgia Ann Muldrow: "Untitled/Fantastic Remix"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Dooinit"
    • Common: Like Water For Chocolate "Time Travelin (A Tribute to Fela)"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Dam-Funk on Change's "Miracles" Oct 31, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by Dam-Funk, Stones Throw recording artist, resident DJ for the legendary Funkmosphere parties and all-around apostle of the boogie. He was one of the very first artists we invited to tape Heat Rocks, back in its pilot stage, and we're very pleased to finally shared the episode in which he took us on a deep trip into Change's Miracles.

    Along the way, we talked about the post-disco, Chic-era of funk and R&B, how Italian and New York musical communities collided on this album, and how a young kid, growing up in Pasadena, would drive up to Mt. Wilson, bumping this on cassette.

    More on Change and Miracles:

    • Love Come Down's post about whether Change is disco's "most underrated band".
    • Robert Christgau's short-by-sweet review of Miracles

    More on Dam-Funk:

    • Dam-Funk spinning an hour-plus set on Boiler Room Collections
    • His interview on Resident Advisor
    • Andy Beta's review of his 2015 album, Invite the Light.

    Show Tracklisting:

    • Change: Miracles "Paradise"
    • Dam-Funk: Invite The Lights "Just Ease Your Mind From All Negativity (Feat. Snoop Dogg and Joi Gilliam)"
    • Parliament: Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome "Flash Light"
    • The Bar-Kays: Money Talks "Holy Ghost"
    • Mtune: Juicy Fruit "Juicy Fruit"
    • Chic: Risqué "Good Times"
    • Change: Miracles "Heaven In My Life"
    • Nite Funk: Nite-Funk "Let Me Be Me"
    • Change: Miracles "Miracles"
    • Change: Miracles "Hold Tight"
    • Dam-Funk: A Beautiful Day "A Beautiful Day"
    • Dam-Funk: Adolescent Funk "When I'm With You I Think Of Her"
    • Change: Miracles "On Top"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Shea Serrano on DMX's "It's Dark and Hell Is Hot" Oct 24, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, we are joined by Shea Serrano, contributor at TheRinger.com, author of both The Rap Yearbook and the brand new Basketball (And Other Things). For his heat rock, he choose DMX's smash debut LP, It's Dark and Hell Is Hot. *woof*

    During our conversation, we learned how it was Shea's grandmother, of all people, who introduced him to DMX and how that album became the formative soundtrack for him as a teenager. Shea drops wisdom nuggets on the nature of pain in DMX's persona and how this album marked a repudiation of the direction hip-hop was headed in during the jiggy era.

    Ann Powers on Madonna's "Like A Prayer" Oct 17, 2017
    Show notes

    This week, Morgan and Oliver are joined by Ann Powers of NPR Music and author of the new book, Good Booty: Love and Sex, Black and White, Body and Soul in American Music. Together, the three dug into Like a Prayer, Madonna's critical breakout album form 1989. As Ann lays out, Madonna had already established herself as an MTV-era mega-star with her previous albums but Like a Prayer, with its then-controversial sexual politics and surprising personal candor, marked a new level of artistic ambition.

    Phonte on Intro's 1993 Self-Titled Album Oct 10, 2017
    Show notes

    This week rapper, producer, and songwriter Phonte (Foreign Exchange, Little Brother) joins Oliver and Morgan to talk about the R&B group Intro's 1993 self-titled debut album. The trio's release was part of the changing tide of R&B music, when slow jams were giving way to more uptempo hits and singers were exchanging suits for Timbs and jeans.

    Phonte shares about what Intro's brand of new jack swing meant to him as a teenager growing up in Greensboro, North Carolina. Don't get him wrong: he was a hardcore hip-hop head, but he grew up in an R&B household and in church where singing became a big part of his musical formation. Phonte breaks down the group's influence on his understanding of songwriting, lyrics, and the balance between uptempo and down-tempo songs. He also discusses the album's mature themes, crediting them for helping a young brother's macking game.

    Joi on Betty Davis's "They Say I'm Different" Oct 02, 2017
    Show notes

    On the premiere episode of Heat Rocks, future soul artist Joi Gilliam joins Morgan and Oliver to talk about They Say I'm Different, the 1974 album by the unsung queen of funk, Betty Davis! It's really an obvious pairing: Betty Davis was one of the most original and fascinating figures of the 1970s, and Joi is an artist very much cut from Betty's cloth, but a generation later. We had a super fun conversation about the importance and uniqueness of Betty and what she's meant, especially, to waves of Black women artists who've followed in her path in the 40+ years since. Watch for Joi's new album, Rebekkah HolyLove Salvation Symphony, this fall!

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