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    Heat Rocks

    Scorching guests and sizzling records: join music writer Oliver Wang and music supervisor Morgan Rhodes each week as they invite their favorite artists, critics and scholars for in-depth conversations about the albums that shape our lives. Each week our special guests will take you deep into their heat rocks from the world of hip-hop, soul, dance, jazz, funk and more. Get with us!

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    Benjamin Booker on William Onyeabor's "Who is William Onyeabor?" Jun 28, 2018
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    The Album: William Onyeabor: Who Is William Onyeabor? (2013)

    Benjamin Booker rocks.

    His soulful blend of blues, rock soul and punk, together with hella honest lyrics and an inimitable voice has moved folks across his self titled debut and latest album Witness.

    He joined us to talk about his discovery of Luaka Bop’s World Psychedelic Classics 5: Who Is William Onyeabor? It was love at first listen. He loved the moog and the drums, the minimalism and the disco elements.

    He loved the message.

    We talked about William Onyeabor's reclusiveness, foreshadowing in lyrics, African music across many genres and the coolness of a white cowboy hat.

    More on William Onyeabor and Who is William Onyeabor :

    • "Review: William Onyeabor: Who is William Onyeabor? (NPR)
    • "Who the Hell is William Onyeabor?" (Noisey)

    More on Benjamin Booker:

    • Can We Get a Witnees (Stereogum)
    • Tiny Desk Concert (NPR)
    • Website

      Show Tracklisting (all songs from Who Is William Onyeabor? unless indicated otherwise):

      • Atomic Bomb
      • Benjamin Booker: Witness
      • The Funkees: Akula Owu Onyeara
      • Benjamin Booker: Truth is Heavy
      • Body and Soul
      • Love is Blind
      • Anita Ward: Ring My Bell
      • Love is Blind
      • Heaven and Hell
      • Why Go to War
      • Something You Will Never Forget
      • Fantastic Man
      • Heaven and Hell
      • Good Name
      • New Order: Blue Monday
      • Benjamin Booker: Overtime
      • The Lidaju Sister: Life's Gone Down Low
      • Heaven and Hell
      • Let's Fall in Love
      • Why Go to War
      • Love is Blind
      • Fantastic Man

      Here's the Spotify playlist of as many of the songs above as we can find on there.

      If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Eliza Skinner on the "Pretty in Pink" soundtrack (1986) Jun 21, 2018
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    Show: Heat Rocks

    Guest: Eliza Skinner

    The Album: Pretty in Pink Soundtrack (1986)

    Actress and comedian Eliza Skinner is part of the brand new Maximum Fun scripted comedy show, Bubble, and hosts her own music podcast, Cool Playlist. For her guest spot on Heat Rocks, she wanted to revisit one of the iconic soundtracks of the 1980s: Pretty in Pink. The film is a key part of the John Hughes pantheon, alongside The Breakfast Club, 16 Candles and Ferris Bueller's Day Off and arguably boasts the most storied soundtrack of all of them, including now-classics that were written expressly for the film such as OMD's "If You Leave" and Echo and Bunnymen's "Bring On the Dancing Horses," and of course, the reworked, sax-ified version of the Psychedelic Furs' "Pretty In Pink."

    Eliza and us discussed how soundtracks can create an invented nostalgia for a time we never knew, what lesser known tracks off this album still bump, and why Ducky really didn't deserve to belong with Andie.

    (That said, Ducky did kill it during his "Try a Little Tenderness" scene)

    More on the Pretty In Pink soundtrack:

    • "Neon Nostalgia: The Pretty In Pink Soundtrack 30 Years Later" (Stereogum)
    • "30 Years Ago: Pretty In Pink Gives an Official Soundtrack to Teen Angst" (Diffuser)

    More on Eliza Skinner:

    • Interview (Raleigh & Company)
    • Cool Playlist podcast
    • Bubble podcast
    • Website | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Pretty In Pink unless indicated otherwise):

    • Pretty in Pink
    • If You Leave
    • Left of Center
    • Simple Minds: Don't You (Forget About Me)
    • The Barden Bellas: Bellas Finals: Price Tag/Don't You (Forget About Me)
    • Get to Know Ya
    • Prince: Kiss
    • Prince: Purple Rain
    • Deniece Williams: Let's Hear it for the Boy
    • Modern English: I Melt with You
    • Pretty in Pink
    • Wouldn't it be Good
    • Otis Redding: Try a Little Tenderness
    • New Order: Thieves Like Us (Instrumental)
    • If You Leave
    • Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want
    • Wouldn't it be Good

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Marcus Moore on Mos Def's "Black on Both Sides" (1999) Jun 14, 2018
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    Show: Heat Rocks Guest: Marcus Moore

    The Album: Mos Def's Black on Both Sides (1999)

    Writer Marcus Moore, currently a senior editor at Bandcamp, happened to be coming through to Los Angeles for his first time ever and we took advantage by inviting him to join us to talk about Mos Def's debut album, Black on Both Sides. Coming out just a year after Mos and Talib Kweli created a new generation of conscious hip-hop fans with their Black Star collaboration, Black on Both Sides was also the culmination of a coming-out party for the Brooklyn rapper/actor that began earlier in the decade as he began racking up all manners of outstanding cameo spots.

    During our convo with Marcus, we got into Mos' portrait of Brooklyn, how his singing took everyone for a (pleasant) surprise, why "Ms. Fat Booty" wasn't necessarily representative of the album as a whole and whether or not Mos ever was able to exceed the excellence of his debut.

    More on Mos Def and Black on Both Sides:

    • "If Mos Def’s “Black On Both Sides” Came Out Today, It Might Be Considered The Blackest Album of All Time" (Very Smart Brothas)
    • Original 1999 review for The AV Club

    More on Marcus Moore:

    • Marcus' upcoming book on Kendrick Lamar
    • His review of Yasiin Bey's December 99th (Pitchfork)
    • Bandcamp | Twitter

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Black on Both Sides unless indicated otherwise):

    • Know That
    • Umi Says
    • Nas: NY State of Mind
    • Biggie: Live Freestyle 1995
    • Mos Def: BET's The Cypher
    • Mos Def, Q-Tip, Tash: Body Rock
    • UTD: My Kung Fu
    • De La Soul: Big Brother Beat
    • Ms. Fat Booty
    • Jay-Z: Jigga What, Jigga Who
    • The Roots: You Got Me
    • Techn9ne: Questions
    • Reflection Eternal: Fortified Live
    • Love
    • dialogue from 16 Blocks
    • Rock N Roll
    • Public Enemy: Fight the Power
    • Rock N Roll
    • Love
    • New World Water
    • Boogie Down Productions: Beef
    • Fela Kuti: Water No Get Enemy
    • Climb
    • Umi Says
    • Aretha Franklin: One Step Ahead
    • Ms. Fat Booty
    • Roy Ayers: We Live In Brooklyn
    • Brooklyn
    • Ms. Fat Booty
    • Mathematics
    • May-December

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Adrian Younge on Jeru's "The Sun Rises In the East" (1994) Jun 07, 2018
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    Show: Heat Rocks Guests: Adrian Younge

    The Album: Jeru the Damaja's The Sun Rises In the East (1994)

    Since he started putting numbers on the board with the soundtrack to Black Dynamite, artist/composer Adrian Younge has become the hip-hop maestro for creative collaborations. Through the years, he's worked with Souls of Mischief, Ghostface Killah and DJ Premier/Royce the 5'9" as well as continuing to release his own solo work. For our episode, Younge reached back to the golden era of hip-hop for us to talk about one of the most "impervious" MCs around: Brooklyn's Jeru the Damaja and his 1994 debut album, The Sun Rises in the East. We tackled everything from the contradictions of rappers talking about both consciousness and doing dirt to the brilliance of DJ Premier's production to the intricacies of Jeru's freaky freaky freaky flow.

    More on Jeru and The Sun Rises in the East:

    • "What Went Right With… The Sun Rises In The East"
    • You Must Learn episode on the album

    More on Adrian Younge:

    • "Adrian Younge in Timeless" (Noisey)
    • "Five Things You Need to Know" (Red Bull Music Academy)
    • Website | Twitter | Facebook

    Show Tracklisting (all songs fromThe Sun Rises in the East unless indicated otherwise):

    • Gang Starr: I'm the Man
    • Can't Stop the Prophet
    • Adrian Younge/Delfonics: Lost Without You
    • Adrian Younge/Ghostface: Beware of the Stars
    • D. Original
    • Come Clean
    • Souls of Mischief: '93 Til Infinity
    • Smif N Wessun: Let's Get It On
    • Black Moon: Who Got the Props?
    • Group Home: Livin Proof
    • Rap City Interview w/ Jeru
    • Perverted Monks In the House (Theme)
    • Jeru and Lauryn Hill Interview
    • Da Bitchez
    • Mental Stamina
    • Ain't the Devil Happy
    • Lee Oskar: Our Road
    • Adrian Younge: Midnight Blue
    • Jungle Music
    • Statik
    • Brooklyn Took It

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Taura Stinson on Minnie Riperton's "Adventures in Paradise" May 31, 2018
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    Guest: Taura Stinson

    The Album: Minnie Riperton's Adventures in Paradise (1975)

    2018 has been a breakout year for this weeks guest, Taura Stinson. "Mighty River", the song she co-wrote with Raphael Saadiq for Dee Rees' critically acclaimed film Mudbound was nominated for both a Golden Globe and an Academy Award. She is a singer's singer who understands the nuances of song creation, production and arrangement. We couldn't have asked for a better guest and a better album to discuss and were thrilled to have her wax poetic about Minnie Riperton's 1975 Adventures In Paradise.

    We dug deep on this one - discussing both Minnie's supreme vocal prowess and the sonic and lyrical legacy she left us when she left us just four years after this album was released. With production help from The Crusaders, Stewart Levine and Leon Ware, this peek into Minnie's world is quite the adventure. Get thoroughly into our chat with Taura Stinson and then revisit Adventures in Paradise for the culture.

    About Taura:

    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taura_Stinson
    • http://www.musicconnection.com/songwriter-profile-taura-stinson/
    • https://pandagossips.com/posts/2402

    Taura's book

    Taura's Oscar & Golden Globe Nominated song "Mighty River"

    Taura's single "Gossypium Thorns"

    Show Tracklist (all songs from "Adventures in Paradise"unless indicated otherwise):

    • "Baby, This Love I Have"
    • Taura Stinson: Gossypium Thorns (Freedom) "Gossypium Thorns (Freedom)"
    • The Gospel Clouds: "Let Us Pray"
    • "Inside My Love"
    • "Inside My Love"
    • Minnie Riperton: Perfect Angel "Lovin' You"
    • Rotary Connection: Aladdin "Life Could"
    • Mariah Carey: Emotions "Emotions"
    • Rotary Connection: Hey, Love "I Am the Blackgold of the Sun"
    • "Adventures in Paradise"
    • "Inside My Love"
    • A Tribe Called Quest: Midnight Marauders "Lyrics to Go"
    • The Pointer Sisters: Steppin' "How Long (Betcha Got a Chick on the Side)"
    • Gwen McCrae: Lady Soul "Rockin' Chair"
    • Natalie Cole: Inseparable "This Will Be (An Everlasting Love)"
    • Labelle: Nightbirds "Lady Marmalade"
    • "Feelin' that the Feeling's Good"
    • Minnie Riperton: Perfect Angel "Take a Little Trip"
    • Minnie Riperton: The Best of Minnie Riperton "Woman of Heart and Mind"
    • Quincy Jones: Body Heat "If I Ever Lose This Heaven"
    • "Love and It's Glory"
    • "Adventures in Paradise"
    • "When It Comes Down to It"
    • "Alone in Brewster Bay"
    • "Baby, This Love I Have"
    • "Simple Things"
    • Minnie Riperton: Le Fleur "Young Willing and Able"
    • "Feelin' that the Feeling's Good"
    • "Simple Things"
    • "Minnie's Lament"
    • Prince: Parade-Music from the Motion Picture "Under the Cherry Moon" "Sometimes It Snows in April"
    • Emage: "Inside My Love"
    • "Don't Let Anyone Bring You Down"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Cut Chemist on Cymande's "Cymande" (1972) May 24, 2018
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    Show: Heat Rocks Guests: Cut Chemist

    "Say go DJ, cause that's my DJ..." - Weezy

    Cut Chemist is nice with the wax, nice with the loops, nice on the decks. A central figure in West Coast hip hop (Jurassic 5, Ozomotli) and the art of turntablism, both he and his record collection are legendary. While he joined us to talk about British funk pioneer Cymande's 1972 self-titled debut, our conversation covered a myriad of topics including Cut's journey as a crate digger, a record he may or may not have pilfered in 1987, the influence of Chuck Chillout and DJ Red Alert on his development as a DJ, Cymande's seamless genre-fusing and the band's relationship to hip-hop. Needless to say, we went in.

    About Cut Chemist: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8225523/cut-chemist-i...

    About Cut's latest album, Die Cut https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/03/13/cut-chemist-die-cut-interview/

    Oliver's Rolling Stone interview with Cymande: http://rol.st/1U3YpYS

    Cymande website: http://www.cymandeofficial.com

    Show Tracklist (all songs from Cymandeunless indicated otherwise):

    • "One More"
    • Cut Chemist: The Audience's Listening "The Garden"
    • Harlem Underground Band: Harlem Underground Band "Smokin' Cheeba Cheeba"
    • "Bra"
    • "The Message"
    • "Dove"
    • DJ Chuck Chillout: clip from 98.7 Kiss FM show from 1986
    • Clip from the 1983 film "Wild Style"
    • Red Hot Chili Peppers: Blood Sugar Sex Magik "Give It Away"
    • "Getting it Back"
    • "The Message"
    • Assagai: Assagai "Telephone Girl"
    • "Dove"
    • "Listen"
    • "Getting it Back"
    • "Zion I"
    • "Rickshaw"
    • Hielo Ardiente: El Original Ritmo Ardiente "Mensaje"
    • The Meters: The Meters "Cissy Strut"
    • "Rastafarian Folk Song"
    • The Fugees: The Score "The Score"
    • De La Soul: 3 Feet High and Rising "Change in Speak"
    • The Doors: L.A. Woman "Riders on the Storm"
    • Tune-Yards: Nikki Nack "Water Fountain"
    • Alice in Chains: Facelift "Man in the Box"
    • Cymande: Second Time Round "Bird"
    • Kaidi Tathem: Feed the Cat "Armz R Deh"

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Cole Cuchna on Kanye West's "Yeezus" May 17, 2018
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    Comprehensive analysis. Two words that describe Cole Cuchna's extraordinary podcast, DISSECT, which dedicates a season to unpacking one album, one song (per episode) at a time. His subterranean exploration of Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is one of the reasons we were thrilled to have him join us to discuss Kanye West's 6th album, Yeezus. We covered Yeezy the persona vs. Kanye the person, problematic lyrics, ego reckoning, and the 2009 VMA's - a turning point in his career and a moment that will forever be a part of pop culture history. We also spent some time delving into the mindset of Yeezy, but full disclaimer: we taped this episode before Kanye's infamous twitter torrent and TMZ brouhaha.

    About Cole Kuchna:

    • Cole Cuchna, Prince of the podcast

    Cole's socials: IG: turangalila_ TW: @dissectpodcast

    About Dissect:

    • This Podcast Host Is Spending Hundreds of Hours to Dissect the Genius of Kanye West

    More on Yeezus

    • Pitchfork review of Yeezus by Ryan Dombal

    Yeezy on Yeezus:

    • Behind Kanye’s Mask by Jon Caramonica

    Show Tracklist (all songs from Yeezusunless indicated otherwise):

    • “On Sight”
    • “Hold My Liquor”
    • “Guilt Trip”
    • “Blood on the Leaves”
    • “Bound 2”
    • “New Slaves”
    • “I Am A God”
    • Nina Simone: Pastel Blues “Strange Fruit”
    • “Black Skinhead”
    • “I’m In It”
    • Daniel Caesar: Pilgrim’s Paradise “Streetcar”

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!

    Fredara Hadley on Anita Baker's "Compositions" May 10, 2018
    Show notes

    Ethnomusicologist Fredara Hadley had been on our wish list for a while and as luck would have it, she came to Los Angeles earlier this spring and things lined up nicely. For our episode, Fredara wanted to get into the queen of the quiet storm from the 1980s and early ‘90s: Anita Baker and her platinum-selling 1990 album, Compositions. During our conversation, we got into the nuances of Baker’s voice and how she compelled your full attention, how she fit (or didn’t) with the sound of R&B in the early ‘90s and how, as successful as she was, she could have thrived even better in an era where jazz and R&B overlap is better embraced.

    More on Compositions

    • "Five Best Songs" from Compositions (TheBoombox.com)
    • Dennis Hunt's original 1990 review (LA Times)
    • "Inside the Album" episode on Compositions (GrownFolksMusic.com)

    More on Fredara Hadley

    • A profile of "the music historian" (Essence)
    • Interviewed by the Oberlin Review
    • Website | Twitter |Mixcloud

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Compositions unless indicated otherwise):

    • “Talk To Me”
    • Anita Baker: Rapture “Sweet Love”
    • “Fairy Tales”
    • Peabo Bryson: Crosswinds “Crosswinds”
    • “More Thank You Know”
    • Mariah Carey: Mariah Carey “Vision of Love”
    • Lisa Stansfeild: Been Around The World “Been Around The World”
    • En Vogue:Born To Sing “Hold On To Your Love”
    • “Look What I Got”
    • Drake: Comeback Season “Think Good Thoughts Feat. Phonte and Elzhi”
    • Perri:
    Justin Simien on Michael Jackson's "HIStory" May 03, 2018
    Show notes

    Justin Simien, whose Dear White People is just beginning its second season on Netflix, came through to join us live for another Voyager Institute collaboration. By sheer coincidence, our last VI event took on Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation and here we are again, working our way through another Jackson family LP. (Can LaToya be too far behind?)

    HIStory, as our crew points out, is an odd duck in the vaunted Jackson discography. Though it was enormously successful – the best selling double album of all time (especially since disc one was a "Greatest Hits" anthology) – it tends to have been overlooked given all the controversy swirling around MJ in that era. He had already been tried and acquitted on child molestation charges but his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley was still tabloid catnip and all this resulted in him recording, to quote Morgan: his most "pissed" off album, ever. This, and more, was all fodder for our conversation. But before you even listen, you have to watch the trailer for HIStory:

    Meanwhile, don't forget to listen to last week's episode, about Michael Jackson's Off the Wall, featuring Martin Perna!

    More on HIStory

    • "Michael Jackson Is Angry, Understand?" (NY Times, 1995)
    • "20 Years Later, 20 Things You May Not Have Known About Michael Jackson's HIStory" (People)
    • "The story behind the album and CD cover for Michael Jackson’s 1995 ‘HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I’" (The Undefeated)

    More on Justin Simien

    • Why the Creator of ‘Dear White People’ Is Doubling Down on Identity Politics" (NY Times)
    • Dear White People on Netflix
    • Interviewed on The Ringer
    • Website | Twitter | Instagram

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from HIStory unless indicated otherwise):

    • “Money”
    • “Scream”
    • Janet Jackson: Got Till It’s Gone “Got Till It’s Gone”
    • “This Time Around Feat. Biggie Smalls”
    • “You Are Not Alone”
    • “Stranger In Moscow”
    • “Childhood”
    • Michael Jackson: Bad “Leave Me Alone”
    • “They Don’t Really Care About Us”
    • “Tabloid Junkie”
    • Michael Jackson: Thriller “Someone In The Dark”

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    Martín Perna on Michael Jackson's "Off the Wall" Apr 26, 2018
    Show notes

    Martín Perna of Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra wanted to revisit one of the formative albums of his childhood: Michael Jackson's Off The Wall. For many MJ fans, this is the king of pop's greatest work, a clear statement that he was now fully out of the shadow of the Jackson 5 and, along with super-producer Quincy Jones, ready to remake American pop music as we know it.

    Perna not only brought his memories of growing up, mesmerized by the cover of the album, but his multi-instrumentalist also broke down some of the secrets behind the production on the album. Even for deep fans, there's something to learn, and for everyone else, you get to hear from one of the great pop albums of all time. (And if you haven't heard it before, check out this incredible demo version of "Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough")

    Next week's episode is also about Michael Jackson as director Justin Simien (Dear White People) joins us to talk about MJ's HIStory (1995).

    And look for a bonus beats episode to post soon that features Perna and us talking about the never-ending "Off the Wall vs. Thriller" debate.

    More on Off the Wall

    • A track-by-track breakdown of the album (Billboard)
    • "How Michael Jackson rebranded himself for his first solo album" (The Undefeated)
    • "Michael Jackson starts work on Off The Wall" (The Guardian)

    More on Martín Perna

    • Interview with Breakdown FM.
    • "Antibalas: Unification Through Diversification (Tomorrow's Verse)
    • Website | Twitter

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Off the Wall unless indicated otherwise):

    • “Off The Wall”
    • Antibalas: Antibalas “Dirty Money”
    • The Wiz “You Can’t Win”
    • “She’s Out of my Life”
    • Jackson 5: ABC “ABC”
    • “Get On The Floor”
    • “Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough”
    • “I Can’t Help It”
    • Fela Kuti: Upside Down “Upside Down”
    • “Rock With You”
    • “Burn This Disco Out”
    • “It’a The Falling In Love”
    • “Girlfriend”

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