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    Heat Rocks

    Scorching guests and sizzling records: join music writer Oliver Wang and music supervisor Morgan Rhodes each week as they invite their favorite artists, critics and scholars for in-depth conversations about the albums that shape our lives. Each week our special guests will take you deep into their heat rocks from the world of hip-hop, soul, dance, jazz, funk and more. Get with us!

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Art of Sampling #1, James Brown's "In the Jungle Groove" (1984) Apr 04, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: James Brown: In the Jungle Groove (1986) This is the first of what will eventually be four episodes, released quarterly, that focus on the art of sampling. As Morgan explains in this episode, sampling isn't simply a key aesthetic within pop music styles, especially hip-hop, it's also an important way through which the past becomes present, allowing us to rediscover artists of yore. No artist in the 1980s benefitted more from this than James Brown. By the end of the decade, Brown's long funk discography had seemingly been mined thousands of ways over but if you had to trace things back to a ground zero, you'd find In the Jungle Groove, the 1986 compilation from Polydor that practically felt designed for sampling, especially by highlighting some of Brown's fiercest and funkiest tracks, complete with new edits and remixes, none more far-reaching than "Funky Drummer," a former 45-only jam that the comp not only released in its full form but also took Clyde Stubblefield's iconic breakbeat and looped it into its own standalone track. For our inaugural Art of Sampling episode, we revisit In the Jungle Groove and talk about both our favorite songs off the comp as well as our favorite uses of those various tracks. Listen to how we give it up and turn it loose. More on In the Jungle Groove

    • Album reviews (Rolling Stone 500 and Pop Matters)
    • Sampling database (WhoSampled)
    • "The natural history of the 'Funky Drummer' break"

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from In the Jungle Groove unless indicated otherwise):

    • Funky Drummer
    • Digable Planets: Where I'm From
    • N.W.A.: Fuck Tha Police
    • Public Enemy: Fight the Power
    • Funky Drummer
    • Nas: Get Down
    • The Incredible Bongo Band: Apache
    • Nas: Made You Look
    • Masta Ace Incorporated: Boom Bashin'
    • George Michael: Waiting For That Day
    • Skull Snaps: It's A New Day
    • The Winstons: Amen Brother
    • Public Enemy: Bring the Noise
    • Funky Drummer
    • Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose
    • Talkin' Loud And Sayin' Nothing
    • Keek and Qagee: Don't Say It, Sing It
    • Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose
    • Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved
    • Gang Starr: Gotch U
    • CeCe Peniston: Finally (Remix)
    • Full Force: Ain't My Type of Hype
    • Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved
    • Hot Pants
    • I Got To Move
    • Showbiz and AG: Diggin' In The Crates
    • Cypress Hill: How I Can Just Kill A Man (Blunted Remix)
    • Funky Drummer

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Joey Dosik on Bill Withers's "+Justments" (1974) Mar 28, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: Bill Withers: +Justments (1974) Despite the massive success of Withers's first two albums, Just As I Am and Still Bill, label problems prevented +Justments (his fourth LP) from being released on CD until 2010. As such, it's been a sleeper of an album despite how good it is. Withers was never the most confessional of artists but this album, which came about during the dissolution of Withers's marriage to Denise Nicholas (amidst accusations of abuse), is about as close to he gets to talking about his personal life via song. Meanwhile, scoring all this were former members of the Watts 103rd St. Rhythm Band, as good a rhythm section that any artist in L.A. could hope to be hooked up with. +Justments was the pick by L.A. soulster Joey Dosik, who's recorded extensively with Vulfpeck but has recently branched into his solo career with his debut album from last year, Inside Voice, which includes a cover of "Stories" from Withers's album. Amongst other things, we discussed how Dosik discovered this slept-on album in his ex-girlfriend's crates, how he learned his own singing voice by studying Withers's, and how drumming great James Gadson is supernaturally clean in the pocket.

    We are in the home stretch of the MaxFunDrive! If you like what we make, please head over to maximumfun.org/donate and become a member today! Your support means the world to us.

    Note: the first half of our episode was taped in the MaxFun kitchen on a remote rig because the power had gone out in our building. We were able to get back into the studio properly for the second half but we apologize for the uneven sound quality of the first half. More on Joey Dosik

    • "Joey Dosik Talks NBA-Inspired 'Running Away' & Getting A Pep Talk From Quincy Jones" (Billboard)
    • Interview with Atwood Magazine
    • Twitter | Bandcamp | Website

    More on +Justments

    • Bomani Jones on +Justments.
    • Review on Popmatters.
    • "Ain’t No Sunshine In Bill Withers’ Masterpiece, +’Justments" (Trunkworthy)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from +Justmentsunless indicated otherwise):

    • Ruby Lee
    • Joey Dosik: Game Winner
    • Stories
    • Bill Withers: Ain't No Sunshine
    • Can We Pretend
    • Heartbreak Road
    • Can We Pretend
    • Heartbreak Road
    • Stories
    • Joey Dosik: Stories (Live)
    • Joey Dosik: Stories
    • Railroad Man
    • You
    • Green Grass
    • Shuggie Otis: Inspiration Information
    • Stevie Wonder: Visions

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Heartbreak Radio on the "Chungking Express" soundtrack (1994) Mar 21, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: Chungking Express Soundtrack (1994)

    Legendary Hong Kong filmmaker Wong Kar Wai has long been known for how he integrates pop songs into his films and soundtracks. Chungking Express, Wong's breakout international hit, was no exception as he worked in everything from '60s folk pop to '70s reggae to '90s alternative in the mix, alongside an original score by longtime composer partners Roel Garcia and Frankie Chan. To discuss the melding of sound, image and story in Wong's fanciful tale of two cops and the women who (may or may not) love them, we brought in the hosts of Heartbreak Radio, Lady Imix and DJ Phatrick. Heartbreak Radio which began as an internet show devoted to the sounds of "beautiful sadness" and now it broadcasts every two weeks on KQBH LP, 101.5 FM, a micro-transmitter station out of Boyle Heights, Los Angeles. Imix (aka Sol) and Phatrick (aka Patrick) are now old hands at the sounds of love and longing and it was obvious why they'd want to muse on the music of Chungking Express. Together we talked about how Wong Kar Wai's movies use pop, how the right song can enhance a character and whether or not Oliver is bugging out when he says that he can't stand to hear "California Dreamin'" anymore.

    The MaxFunDrive is in full swing! If you like what we do, please consider becoming a monthly supporter. We love making this show and we are able to make it because of your support! Head over to maximumfun.org/donate now!

    More on Lady Imix and DJ Phatrick

    • Lady Imix profiled on KCET's Artbound.
    • Interview with DJ Phatrick (Artnois)
    • Lady Imix's Twitter | Instagram
    • Phatrick's Twitter | Instagram | Website

    More on the music of Chungking Express

    • "The 'Chungking Express' Soundtrack Makes Repetition Beautiful" (Noisey)
    • "The Use of Music in 'Chungking Express'" (Explaining Film)
    • Brian Hu on Wong Kar Wai's use of pop music.

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from the soundtrack of Chungking Expressunless indicated otherwise):

    • Fornication in Space
    • Things in Life
    • Heartbreak Interlude
    • Flying Pickets: Only You
    • Los Indios Tabajara: Always in My Heart
    • Nat King Cole: Quizas, Quizas, Quizas
    • What A Difference A Day Makes
    • Urge Overkill: Girl You'll Be A Woman Soon
    • California Dreamin'
    • Lee Moses: California Dreamin'
    • Fornication in Space
    • Things in Life
    • Dreams
    • What A Difference A Day Makes
    • Dreams

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Illa J on Prince's "Dirty Mind" (1980) Mar 14, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: Prince Dirty Mind (1980)

    Dirty Mind, Prince's third album, arrived on the scene in the late fall of 1980, and brought with it a salaciousness we hadn't known heretofore. The album, a mix of punk, funk and disco allowed Prince to play with gender and genre as well as sexual innuendo and double entendre.

    Beatmaker and producer Illa J sat down with us to talk about why Dirty Mind for him is an all time heatrock, what makes the album impossible to stop bumping and how Prince was on time and ahead of his time all at the same time. This episode was short and sweet - just like Dirty Mind. Check it. More on Illa J
    • Illa J's Wikipedia entry
    • Illa J Steps Away from J Dilla's Shadow on New Album (okayplayer)
    • Illa J Pays Homage To The Determined Spirit of Detroit (Fader)
    • Twitter | Instagram

    More on Dirty Mind

    • Dirty Mind's Wikipedia entry
    • Pitchfork's review of Dirty Mind
    • Prince's Dirty Mind at 35: Classic Track-by-Track Album Review (Billboard)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Dirty Mind unless indicated otherwise)

    • Uptown
    • Illa J: Enjoy the Ride
    • Partyup
    • Dirty Mind
    • Prince: Controversy
    • Dirty Mind
    • When You Were Mind
    • The Bangle: Manic Monday
    • Sister
    • Partyup
    • When You Were Mine
    • Head
    • Gotta Broken Heart Again
    • Vanity 6: Nasty Girl
    • Britney Spears: I'm A Slave 4 U
    • Uptown

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Nick Waterhouse on Jackie Shane's Any Other Way (2017) Mar 07, 2019
    Show notes

    Dear Heatrockers, On a recent episode, our deep dive into Jackie Shane's "Any Other Way", we unintentionally misgendered Ms. Shane and the late Wilmer Broadnax. Although some of this was addressed at the start of the episode, we'd like to take the opportunity to apologize to members of the transgender community and anyone who found our choice of words offensive and insensitive. We have re-cut the episode to remove the discussion of Broadnax and we pledge for the future to do a more thoughtful job in choosing our language in a respectful and accurate manner. Thanks to all of you who sent us feedback on this; we appreciate your input and support.

    The Album: Jackie Shane Any Other Way (2017)

    This week's episode focuses on the life, career and resurgence of soul singing trans pioneer Jackie Shane, who spent much of the 50's and 60's alongside Frank Motley and the Motley Crew band enthralling Toronto audiences with her voice, her presence and her realism.

    We were thrilled to be joined by another old soul, singer Nick Waterhouse, a cool kid from the best coast whose sonic leanings hearken back to a time and type of rhythm and blues. He came to share the Jackie Shane's influence on him as a singer, the splendor that was her life and the songs that moved him from her seminal 2017 compilation album, Any Other Way.

    This one's too good to miss!

    And be sure to check out Nick Waterhouse's new self-titled record releasing 03/08.

    More on Nick Waterhouse

    • Nick Waterhouse on Consequence of Sound
    • Nick Waterhouse "Song for Winners"
    • Website | Twitter

    More on Any Other Way

    • official website
    • Jackie's interview with the CBC"
    • "Transgender Pioneer Jackie Shane Reflects on Her Re-Emergence & Grammy-Nominated Album" (Billboard)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Any Other Way unless indicated otherwise):

    • New Way of Loving
    • Nick Waterhouse: Wreck the Rod
    • Stand Up Straight and Tall
    • Walking the Dog
    • Any Other Way
    • Frank Motley and the Hitchhikers: Hook & Sling
    • Money (That's What I Want)
    • Dual Trumpet Bounce - Live
    • Papa's Got A Brand New Bag - Live
    • Comin' Down
    • Money (That's What I Want)
    • Violent Femmes: Blister in the Sun
    • Stand Up Straight and Tall
    • Money (That's What I Want) - Live
    • Walking the Dog
    • Shotgun - Live

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there. If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Tall Black Guy on D'Angelo's "Voodoo" (2000) Feb 28, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: D'Angelo Voodoo (2000)

    Tall Black Guy, AKA Terrel Wallace, has been making beats and remixing artists like 79.5, Stro Elliot, and Moonchild, for a long time. Listen to any one of his songs and you'll understand why he's one of the best producers out there and why we were so excited to talk to him. It's no surprise that his personal heat rock (and ours) was "Voodoo" by D'Angelo.

    Making the album was no small feat. D'Angelo took a long break between albums to learn more about playing the guitar, and linked up with the Soulquarians to lay down some of the funkiest, most eclectic, and just plain hottest tracks of all-time. It took nearly 5 years to make, but the wait was worth it.

    Morgan is flying solo and talked to TBG about the wide range of D'Angelo's influences, the shift from "Brown Sugar" to "Voodoo," and D'Angelo's personal shift from neo soul darling to full-on sex symbol.

    More on Tall Black Guy

    • Tall Black Guy on Bastard Jazz
    • Hyp 203: Tall Black Guy
    • Twitter | Soundcloud

    More on Voodoo

    • Voodoo - Review (Pitchfork)
    • D'Angelo and Questlove Bare the Roots of "Voodoo"" (NPR)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Voodoo unless indicated otherwise):

    • Send It On
    • Tall Black Guy: O Fim da Viagem
    • Playa Playa
    • Snoop Dogg: Gin and Juice
    • Chicken Grease
    • Maimouna Youssef: Say My Name
    • Spanish Joint
    • The Line
    • Spanish Joint
    • Greatdayndamornin'/Booty - Medley
    • Left and Right
    • Red Astaire: Follow Me
    • Untitled (How Does It Feel)
    • Prince: She's Always In My Hair
    • D'Angelo: She's Always In My Hair
    • 14KT: She's Always In My Hair
    • Africa
    • Devil's Pie

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Garth Trinidad on the Bacao Rhythm & Steel Band's "The Serpent's Mouth" (2018) Feb 21, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: The Bacao Rhythm and Steel Band: The Serpent's Mouth (2018)

    Steel pan/drum music emerged out of Trinidad and Tobago over the course of the 1950s. Its tinny yet melodious timbre was unique and it soon became a signature style within the diverse soundscape of Afro-Caribbean music. The tourism industry compelled steel drum bands to adapt pop hits into their repertoire and by the late '60s and early '70s, it was common to hear soul and funk tunes being given a steel pan makeover. Even Morgan's stepfather, Bob Sharpe, got in the action as part of the Salt N' Pepper Steel Band, whose lone album includes covers of the Jackson 5 and Johnny Nash (and Oklahoma too!).

    The Bacao Rhythm and Steel Band, formed by Germany's Bjorn Wagner after a few years living in Trinidad & Tobago, is directly influenced by that earlier era. Across their two albums, 55 (2016) and last year's The Serpent's Mouth, Bacao tackle any number of surprising hits, many of them drawn from hip-hop as well as soul/funk, plus their own original compositions. If you ever wanted to hear Gang Starr deep cuts get the steel pan makeover, you came to the right place.

    The Serpent's Mouth was the album pick of DJ Garth Trinidad, whose been a radio fixture in Los Angeles since the mid-90s, when he first started at KCRW and rose to fame on his weeknight Chocolate City show. He continues to hold down a 8-10pm slot when he's not busy music supervising or hosting concerts at the Hollywood Bowl.

    More on Garth Trinidad

    • Interview with Rebel Radio
    • "In Conversation With Garth Trinidad" (Ford Theater)
    • Twitter | Instagram

    More on The Serpent's Mouth

    • Oliver's review (NPR's All Things Considered)
    • Whosampled.com breakdown
    • Track-by-track review (Monkey Boxing)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from The Serpent's Mouthunless indicated otherwise):

    • Xxplosive
    • The Original Trinidad Steel Band: Cissy Strut
    • Salt n' Pepper Band: My Way
    • Bacao Steel and Rhythm Band: Round and Round
    • 1 Thing
    • Jake Shimabukuro: Dragon
    • 79.5: Terrorize My Heart
    • The Poets of Rhythm: What You Doin'
    • Bacao Steel and Rhythm Band: Dog Was a Doughnut
    • Burn
    • All for the Cash
    • Burn
    • Crockett Theme
    • I Love You
    • Maracas Bay Boogie
    • Hoola-Hoop
    • The Katzenjammers: Cars

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Tre'vell Anderson on the Dreamgirls soundtrack (2006) Feb 14, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: The Dreamgirls soundtrack (2006)

    Former LA Times Editor and Out Magazine's Director of Culture and Entertainment Tre'vell Anderson, joined us to talk Jennifer Hudson and the Dreamgirls OST.

    Dreamgirls won two Academy Awards - one for Best Sound Mixing, the other, Best Supporting Actress for Jennifer Hudson's star-making portrayal of Effie White.

    The single disc-version of the soundtrack spent two weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 and was nominated for the 2008 Grammy Award for Best Compilation Soundtrack Album. One of the songs, "Love You I Do" won the Grammy Award for Best Song Written for a Motion Picture or Television. The soundtrack, a certified banger, and Tre'vell's personal heat rock, was certified platinum.

    A fan of Jennifer Hudson's since American Idol Season 3 (his favorite), the film and soundtrack resonated with him because of the all too familiar narrative of the most talented person in the room having to contend with implicit bias preventing them from living their best life.

    We talked about the glory of Jennifer's journey from losing American Idol to winning at the Oscars, the difference between singers and sangers, Detroit vs. Chicago as a backdrop for the film, and what it sounds like when a Cadillac commercial get's "Pat Booned" (an Oliver Wang original saying).

    Why did the film propel Jennifer Hudson to the stardom possibly meant for Beyonce (AT THAT TIME). Who knew Eddie Murphy had this sort of vocal range? Who's version of "And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going" was better: the original J.H. or the new J.H.?

    Tre'vell helped us answer those questions and more!

    More on Tre'vell Anderson

    • Tre'vell's bio on the LA Times
    • Tre'vell Anderson Spills the Tea on Sex and Gender (Tusk Magazine)
    • Twitter | Instagram

    More on the Dreamgirls OST

    • Wikipedia entry on Dreamgirls
    • Jennifer Hudson's Dreamgirls Audition (EW)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from the Dreamgirls OST unless indicated otherwise):

    • Move
    • Jennifer Holliday: And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going
    • Cadillac Car
    • Eddie Murphy: Party All The Time
    • I Meant You No Harm/Jimmy's Rap
    • Move
    • Fake Your Way to the Top
    • Patience
    • One Night Only (Disco)
    • And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going
    • Jennifer Holliday: And I Am Telling You I'm Not Going
    • Family
    • Steppin' to the Bad Side

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Lyrics Born on Curtis Mayfield's "Back to the World" (1973) Feb 07, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: Curtis Mayfield's Back to the World (1973) In 1973, Curtis Mayfield had already become one of the biggest soul stars in the world thanks to the success of his Superfly soundtrack. He could have doubled-down with another album of lurid and cautionary street tales but instead, he wrote an album that many think of as a soundtrack to a movie never made, chronicling a returning Vietnam War veteran who finds America to be a different kind of war zone. Back to the World showcased Mayfield at his best — as a musician, composer, arranger, singer, producer, guitarist and songwriter — and decades later, we can still hear some of its influence reverberating in the dozens of artists who sampled from this album's lush music. The Bay Area's Lyrics Born brought this album to us to talk about. As part of the Solesides/Quannum crew that dates back to the mid-90s, LB has represented a much admired indie hip-hop ethos and he's been embraced by fans around the world. In our conversation, we talked about Mayfield's commitment to social issues, his gifts as a songwriter and whether or not "Right On For the Darkness" is, in fact, about a blind person. More on Lyrics Born

    • "Lyrics Born Opens Up About His 10th Solo Album, 'Quite a Life'" (Prelude Press)
    • "Lyrics Born Gets Personal" (East Bay Express)
    • Website | Twitter

    More on Back to the World

    • Original 1973 Rolling Stone review by Stephen Davis.
    • "SONG OF THE DAY Curtis Mayfield – Right On for the Darkness" (The Listening Post)
    • Mayfield on Soul Train performing "Back to the World"

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Back to the Worldunless indicated otherwise):

    • Back to the World
    • Future Shock
    • Mac Mill: Straight Dangler
    • The Impressions: Keep On Pushing
    • Curtis Mayfield: Eddie You Should Know Better
    • The Impressions: I've Been Trying
    • Back to the World
    • Keep on Trippin'
    • Right On For The Darkness
    • Wiz Khalifa: Glass House
    • Right On For The Darkness
    • Gang Starr: Take A Rest
    • Mase: What You Want
    • Filthy Phil: The Payback
    • Willie Wright: Right On For The Darkness
    • Future Shock
    • Can't Say Nothin'
    • If I Were A Child Again
    • Curtis Mayfield: So In Love
    • Cissy Houston: Warning-Danger
    • Aretha Franklin: Something He Can Feel

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Lindsay Zoladz on Bryan Ferry's "These Foolish Things" (1973) Jan 31, 2019
    Show notes

    The Album: Bryan Ferry, These Foolish Things (1973)

    Bryan Ferry first came to notice in the early 1970s thanks to the art rock group, Roxy Music, that he helped form. Most other artists would have focused their energies on their budding, hit band but Ferry, throughout his career, has never been one to be like "most other artists." Even as Roxy Music was blowing up, Ferry used time between those albums to record his own solo works and though his voice might bridge the two, his solo debut album, These Foolish Things was unlikely to be confused for a Roxy Music project. Ferry, at heart, is a crooner and so it's only fitting that this album would inspired by his eclectic interpretations of different rock, pop and soul standards, including everything from Erma Franklin's "Piece of My Heart," to The Rolling Stones' "Sympathy for the Devil" to the Beach Boys' "Don't Worry Baby." We talk about an artist trying to "make a song their own" whenever we discuss covers and it's hard to argue that when it comes to Ferry here, he's putting his own, distinct stamp on these hits.

    These Foolish Things came to us by way of our guest, music critic Lindsay Zoladz, who's spent the last ten years stocking up clips for everyone from Pitchfork to New York Magazine to The Ringer, where she's been a staff writer for the last several years (alongside the likes of previous Heat Rocks' guests, Shea Serrano and Chris Ryan). Zoladz shared with us how she discovered this particular album (especially as someone who wasn't even born in the 1970s), what she hears in Ferry's interpretations and whether or not he lives up to the title of being a "bobby dazzler."

    More on Lindsay Zoladz

    • Her interview with Bryan Ferry (Pitchfork)
    • Her interview on The Ringer
    • Website | Twitter

    More on These Foolish Things

    • Album "Revisit" (Spectrum Culture)
    • Album review (Real Gone)
    • "These Foolish Things at 45" (Rock & Roll Globe)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from These Foolish Thingsunless indicated otherwise):

    • These Foolish Things
    • A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
    • Baby I Don't Care
    • It's My Party
    • Piece of My Heart
    • The Tracks of My Tears
    • Sam Cooke: These Foolish Things
    • James Brown: These Foolish Things
    • River of Salt
    • Lesley Gore: It's My Party
    • It's My Party
    • Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever
    • Don't Worry Baby

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


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