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    Heat Rocks

    Scorching guests and sizzling records: join music writer Oliver Wang and music supervisor Morgan Rhodes each week as they invite their favorite artists, critics and scholars for in-depth conversations about the albums that shape our lives. Each week our special guests will take you deep into their heat rocks from the world of hip-hop, soul, dance, jazz, funk and more. Get with us!

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    Latest Episodes:
    Wendy & Lisa on Prince's "Around the World in a Day" (1985) Jan 09, 2020
    Show notes

    We here at Heat Rocks talk a lot about Prince, and this marks the FIFTH episode where we're discussing an album of his. Around in the World in a Day incorporated more psychedelia and a wider variety of instruments, which made for a much more eclectic and unconventional album. This is also Morgan's favorite episode, so we couldn't be more excited to talk about this magnificent album.

    Wendy & Lisa of the Revolution come down to the studio to talk about creating this record with Prince, the funkiness of the record, and what life was like working alongside his purpleness for all those years.

    This is a very special episode you definitely do not want to miss.

    More on Wendy & Lisa

    • Wendy and Lisa on Prince (Esquire)
    • Website | Twitter

    More on Around the World in a Day

    • Prince's First Ever TV Interview (MTV)
    • Prince: In appreciation of a virtuoso, enduring genius (The Independent)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Around the World in a Day unless otherwise indicated):

    • Raspberry Beret
    • Around the World in a Day
    • Prince: Annie Christian
    • America
    • Pop Life
    • Paisley Park
    • Raspberry Beret
    • Condition of the Heart
    • The Ladder
    • Tamborine
    • America
    • Raspberry Beret
    • Around the World in a Day
    • Paisley Park
    • Condition of the Heart
    • Prince: Uptown
    • Wendy & Lisa: I Will
    • The Family: Screams of Passion

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Our Heat Rocks of the 2010s Jan 02, 2020
    Show notes

    Oliver's albums

    Erykah Badu's New Amerykah Part Two (Return of the Ankh) (2010)

    Laura Mvula's Sing to the Moon (2013)

    Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp A Butterfly (2015)

    Frank Ocean's Blonde (2016)

    Tyler, The Creator's Flower Boy (2017)

    Morgan's albums

    Thundercat's The Golden Age of the Apocalypse (2011)

    Robert Glasper Experiment's Black Radio (2012)

    Beyoncé's Beyoncé (2013)

    D'Angelo's Black Messiah (2014)

    Kamasi Washington's The Epic (2015)

    Oliver and Morgan are kicking off the new decade and talking about their favorite albums from the 2010s. They discuss their own personal journeys through the decade and the changes in the music industry in general.

    Happy new year, Heat Rockers. Hope you all have a great one!

    Show Tracklisting:

    • Erykah Badu: Fall in Love (Your Funeral)
    • Tyler, the Creator: See You Again
    • Robert Glasper Experiment: Ah Yeah
    • Kendrick Lamar: Momma
    • Beyoncé: Drunk in Love
    • Frank Ocean: Nights
    • Erykah Badu: Love
    • Erykah Badu: Out My Mind, Just In Time
    • Erykah Badu: 20 Feet Tall
    • Laura Mvula: Like the Morning Dew
    • Laura Mvula: Father Father
    • Laura Mvula: She
    • Kendrick Lamar: Alright
    • Kendrick Lamar: Wesley's Theory
    • Kendrick Lamar: Complexion (A Zulu Love)
    • Kendrick Lamar: For Sale? - Interlude
    • Frank Ocean: Pink + White
    • Frank Ocean: Godspeed
    • Frank Ocean: Self Control
    • Tyler, the Creator: Glitter
    • Tyler, the Creator: See You Again
    • Thundercat: Daylight
    • Thundercat: Walkin'
    • Robert Glasper Experiment: Cherish the Day
    • Robert Glasper: Portrait of an Angel
    • Robert Glasper Experiment: Move Love
    • Robert Glasper Experiment: Black Radio
    • Beyoncé: Haunted
    • Beyoncé: Drunk in Love
    • Beyoncé: Partition
    • D'Angelo: Really Love
    • D'Angelo: 1000 Deaths
    • Kamasi Washington: The Message

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Holiday Music Special with Alonso Duralde redux Dec 26, 2019
    Show notes

    The Albums: Vince Guraldi's A Charlie Brown Christmas (1965) Andy Williams' The Andy Williams Christmas Album (1963) Stax Records' Christmas in Soulsville (2007)

    Heat Rocks was hyped to have film critic Alonso Duralde (The Wrap), one of the hosts of Maximum Fun's movie podcast Who Shot Ya? guest with us to talk about our favorite Christmas songs, holiday fare, songs that should play when it's cold outside, baby.

    We visit the canon of Christmas music over the years (Andy Williams 1963 The Christmas Album, Vince Guaraldi Trio's A Charlie Brown Christmas and Stax Record's 2007 compilation Christmas In Soulsville and across genres and styles - crooners, sweeping orchestral cinematic pieces, summer songs vs. winter songs, modern Christmas traditions, etc.

    Alonso broke down the power of nostalgia as it relates to Christmas music and how our tastes in music are informed by tradition.

    Don't be a grinch. Listen to this wintery wonderland of an episode about favorite Christmas tracks.

    More on Alonso Duralde

    • Alonso's podcast, Linoleum Knife
    • Alonso on Maximum Fun
    • Twitter

    Show Tracklisting

    • Andy Williams: The Christmas Song
    • The Waitresses: Christmas Wrapping
    • The Shins: Wonderful Christmastime
    • Tracey Thorn: Snow
    • Yogi Yorgesson: I Yust Go Nuts At Christmas
    • Boyz II Men: Let It Snow
    • Band-Aid: Do They Know It's Christmas
    • Andy Williams: O Holy Night
    • Andy Williams: Kay Thompson's Jingle Bells
    • Andy Williams: It'as The Most Wonderful Time of the Year
    • Andy Williams: Sweet Little Jesus Boy
    • Andy Williams: White Christmas
    • Vince Guraldi Trio: Christmas Time is Here (Vocal)
    • Vince Guraldi Trio: Christmas Time is Here (Instrumental)
    • Vince Guraldi Trio: My Little Drum
    • Vince Guraldi Trio: What Child Is This
    • Vince Guraldi Trio:Skating
    • Vince Guraldi Trio: Hark, The Herald Angels Ring
    • Otis Redding: Merry Christmas Baby take 1
    • The Staple Singers: Who Took The Merry Out of Christmas
    • Albert King: Santa Claus Wants Some Loving
    • The Emotions: Black Christmas
    • Isaac Hayes: The Mistletoe and Me
    • Booker T and the M.G.'s: Winter Wonderland take 2
    • Nate Dogg: Santa Claus Goes Straight to the Ghetto
    • Little Johnny Taylor: Please Come Home For Christmas
    • Juice Crew: Cold Chillin' Christmas
    • The Free Design: Close Your Mouth (It's Christmas)
    • Kenny Bobien: O Come Let Us Adore Him

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find on there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Cristela Alonzo on A Tribe Called Quest's "We Got It From Here...Thank You 4 Your Service" (2016) Dec 20, 2019
    Show notes

    2016 was a hard year, to say the least. We lost Prince, David Bowie, Phife Dawg, Sharon Jones, and many others that year. And on top of that, we here in the US had to reckon with the results of the presidential election. On November 11th 2016, A Tribe Called Quest dropped their final album, We Got It From Here...Thank You 4 Your Service, with verses from Phife himself. It came at a time we needed Tribe the most. It went Gold and was widely regarded as one of the best albums of the year.

    Comedian Cristela Alonzo sat down with us to talk about We Got It From Here and why it quite literally changed the course of her life. We talk about the use of samples and how Tribe was able to update their sound for a modern audience without compromising the mission statement and production style that made them famous all those years ago.

    More on Cristela Alonzo

    • Cristela's new book Music to My Years is out now
    • Laughing in Color: Cristela Alonzo on Finding Her Voice Through Comedy (WNYC)
    • Twitter | Instagram

    More on We Got It From Here...Thank You 4 Your Service

    • Oliver's review of the album for NPR
    • A Tribe Called Quest's Soundtrack to the Resistance (The Village Voice)
    • Life Goes On With A Tribe Called Quest (The AV Club)

    Show Tracklisting (All songs from We Got It From Here...Thank You 4 Your Service unless otherwise indicated):

    • The Donald
    • The Space Program
    • We The People...
    • Curtis Mayfield: We The People Who Are Darker Than Blue
    • Dis Generation
    • Kids...
    • Elton John: Bennie and the Jets
    • Solid Wall of Sound
    • Nairobi Sisters: Promised Land
    • Whateva Will Be
    • Dis Generation
    • Conrad Tokyo
    • We The People
    • Black Spasmodic
    • Melatonin
    • Lost Somebody
    • Conrad Tokyo
    • J Dilla: U-Love
    • Gang Starr: Bad Name
    • 2pac: Changes

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Father Amde of The Watts Prophets on Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" (1971) Dec 13, 2019
    Show notes

    What's Going On? On May 21, 1971, Marvin Gaye released his eleventh studio album asking this simple question. It was a risky move, for sure. Gaye was at the height of his career and this new album was heavy, focusing on things affecting his community like drug abuse, poverty, injustice and the Vietnam War. People might not have been expecting this, but it was what he wanted to make.

    Fortunately, the gamble paid off. What's Going On went on to sell over two million copies and is widely regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time, and it's not hard to see why. It's a timeless record, as true back in 1971 as it is now.

    Father Amde of The Watts Prophets sits down with Morgan to talk about why this album was so groundbreaking, how he got to know Marvin Gaye when he was was still with us, and what Marvin might be talking about if her were here now.

    More on The Watts Prophets

    • "Watts Poetic" (TheLAand Magazine)
    • Biography on The Watts Prophets (Hip Hop Scriptures)
    • Website

    More on What's Going On

    • The Story of Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On' (NPR)
    • Marvin Gaye's 1971 "What's Going On?" remains unanswered today (The Conversation)

    Show Tracklisting (All songs from What's Going On unless indicated otherwise):

    • Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)
    • Flyin' High (In The Friendly Sky)
    • What's Happening Brother
    • What's Going On
    • Watts Prophets: Pain
    • BB King: Every Day I Have the Blues
    • Marvin Gaye: Soldier's Plea
    • Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler)
    • Save the Children
    • Curtis Mayfield: We Got To Have Peace
    • Save The Children
    • Wholy Holy
    • Flyin' High (In The Friendly Sky)
    • James Brown: King Heroin
    • Mercy Mercy Me (The Ecology)
    • What's Going On

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Van Hunt on The Sensational Nightingales' "It's Gonna Rain Again" (1972) Dec 05, 2019
    Show notes

    We've talked a ton of gospel here on Heat Rocks, but this episode marks the first time we've discussed a full gospel album on the show, and from none other than one of the very first gospel quartets, The Sensational Nightingales. The group was formed in 1942 as simply The Nightingales, but it wasn't until 1946 and the introduction of the sensational singer Julius Cheeks when the band really began to hit their stride. The quartet still tours to this day, albeit with a slightly different lineup, but the soul and tradition of Southern black gospel music is alive and well.

    Singer/songwriter Van Hunt joins us in the studio to talk about his personal connection to gospel music, the influence of the Sensational Nightingales, and how artists can make the move from gospel to secular music.

    More on Van Hunt

    • The re-imagined first album, TRIM
    • Seconds of Pleasure (Live at WFUV)
    • Website | Twitter

    More on The Sensational Nightingales

    • The group's take on the gospel classic Hold On
    • Profile by the National Museum of African American Music

    Show Tracklisting (All songs from It's Gonna Rain Again unless indicated otherwise):

    • The Last Mile
    • Dionne Farris: Hopeless
    • Van Hunt: Seconds of Pleasure
    • Hold to God's Hand
    • At the Meeting
    • A Heart Like Thine
    • Sam Cooke & the Soul Stirrers: Be With Me Jesus (Live)
    • Van Hunt: Hello, Goodbye
    • Anthony Hamilton and the Hamiltones: Hotline Bling
    • DeWayne Crocker Jr, Kelontae Gavin, Keyla Richardson, and Mikel Simmons: Hold On
    • At the Meeting
    • The Old Account
    • Carlton Pierson: Old School Medley
    • It's Gonna Rain Again
    • At Calvary
    • A Heart Like Thine
    • Sly Stone: Walking in Jesus Name
    • It's Gonna Rain Again
    • The Davis Sisters: Twelve Gates to the City
    • Silvergate Quartet: I'm Going Down in Jesus Name
    • The Daytonians: Let Jesus Work it Out
    • Dr Charles Hayes and Cosmopolitan Church of Prayer Choir: Jesus Can Work it Out
    • Karizma: Work it Out
    • Sam Cooke & The Soul Stirrers: Jesus Gave Me Water

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Phil Yu on Boyz II Men's "II" (1994) redux Nov 28, 2019
    Show notes

    This episode originally ran 07/26/2018

    The Album: Boyz II Men: II (1994)

    Phil Yu is better known to most as Angry Asian Man...except that he isn't actually all that angry (though he is Asian and a man). Phil started his titular site nearly 20 years ago and since then, it has become an indispensable news resource about Asian American culture, politics and related issues. Phil, along with Jeff Yang, also hosts his own Asian American culture podcast, They Call Us Bruce.

    Phil wanted to revisit one of the big hit albums of his youth: II by Boyz II Men. By '94, the group was already one of the biggest acts in all of R&B and expectations were beyond high for the follow-up. The quartet of crooners from Philly didn't disappoint as II continued the group's reign at the top, especially thanks to smooth ballads like "Water Runs Dry," "On Bended Knee" and of course, "I'll Make Love To You." (The three of us couldn't stop laughing when we were discussing the majesty that was the video for that single. Shout out to sexy finger wags.)

    More on Phil Yu

    • Interview with KoreAm Magazine.
    • "Becoming Angry Asian Man" (Profile on NBC Asian America)
    • They Call Us Bruce podcast
    • Website | Twitter

    More on II

    • "Boyz II Men at the Head of the Class" (New York Times, 1994)
    • "Boyz II Men Talk Incredible 1994 Run" (Billboard, 2014)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from IIunless indicated otherwise):

    • Thank You
    • I'll Make Love To You
    • Damar Jackson: No Protection
    • Thank You
    • Boyz II Men: End of the Road
    • I Sit Away
    • LL Cool J: Hey Lover
    • Khalil - Interlude
    • Yesterday
    • Water Runs Dry
    • On Bended Knee
    • I'll Make Love To You
    • On Bended Knee
    • Boyz II Men: A Song For Mama
    • Jezzebel
    • Jazmine Sullivan: Round Midnight
    • Water Runs Dry

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Shana Redmond on Jodeci's "Forever My Lady" (1991) Nov 21, 2019
    Show notes

    “Don’t talk, just listen.”

    Jodeci announced themselves to the world on their 1991 debut album, Forever My Lady. They didn’t invent new jack swing but few R&B groups so seamlessly melded the bravado of hip-hop style with soulful pipes that could melt hearts and quicken pulses. Backed by the musical mentorship of Al B. Sure and A&R-ed by a young Uptown intern named Sean “Puffy” Combs, Jodeci all but heralded the end of ‘80s quiet storm respectability and stepped left of the youthful innocence of early New Edition and even the genteel charm of their contemporaries, Boyz II Men. K-Ci, JoJo, Mr. Dalvin and DeVanté Swing were the self-proclaimed “bad boys of R&B” and they wore that attitude on their sleeve and in their songs.

    Forever My Lady was the pick of our guest, UCLA professor, Dr. Shana Redmond who studies popular music, race and politics. Her first book, from 2014, was Anthem: Social Movements and the Sound of Solidarity in the African Diaspora and she’s currently working on two new books including Everything Man about the life and legacy of singer, actor and activist Paul Robeson. She discovered Jodeci at the precocious age of 11 and along with Morgan and Oliver, they discussed how Jodeci cut a different path into R&B of the era, whether the album’s ballads or dance jams aged better, and whether or not Jodeci covering the ‘60s pop group, The Association, was a wise decision or not. More on Shana Redmond
    • Interview on Left of Black with Mark Anthony Neal
    • How Do You Like It? podcast episode alongside Evelyn McDonnell and Alice Bag
    • Website | Twitter
    More on Forever My Lady
    • “Jodeci “Forever My Lady”: A 25th Anniversary Retrospective” (Dart Adams)
    • “How Jodeci’s ‘Forever My Lady’ Influenced Generations of Male Singers” (The Boombox)
    • “Jodeci’s Forever My Lady Was Revolutionary for Me, a Church Boy From Okla.” (The Root)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Forever My Lady unless indicated otherwise):

    • Forever My Lady
    • Stay
    • Pebbles: Love Makes Things Happen
    • MC Hammer: Addams Groove
    • Come and Talk to Me
    • 112: Cupid
    • It's Alright
    • Interlude (553 - Nasty)
    • Stay
    • U and I
    • Come And Talk To Me
    • Jodeci: Feenin (Remix)
    • The Association: Cherish
    • Cherish
    • X's We Share
    • Forever My Lady

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Saul Williams on Portishead's "Dummy" (1994) Nov 14, 2019
    Show notes

    Saul Williams is super talented. The multi-hyphenate artist not only has a way with words, he has an ear for heat rocks. And apparently kept a fire starting five in his CD changer. We were fortunate enough to have him bring his ear and words to the booth to discuss Portishead's debut album "Dummy" on Heat Rocks. Brooklyn meets Bristol in Atlanta, at a time when Saul was discovering global sounds, immersing himself in culture and scholarship - in other words, he and the album were both in the right place at the right time. We spoke about Beth Ortons haunting vocals, the rise of the trip hop genre, sampling as an aesthetic, lyrical ingenuity and why Atlanta’s club scene was unmatched in the 90s. More on Saul Williams

    • Saul's Tiny Desk Concert
    • Saul's new album, Encrypted & Vulnerable
    • Website | Twitter
    More on Dummy
    • Pitchfork's review of Portishead
    • Portishead's Dummy is 25. The Band Asks That You Play it Loud (The New York Times)
    • Portishead's first TV appearance
    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Dummy unless indicated otherwise):
    • Sour Times
    • Saul Williams: Fight Everything
    • Mysterons
    • Gang Starr: No Shame In My Game
    • Young Disciples: As We Come (To Be)
    • Cleveland Watkiss: Project 23
    • Omar: Need You Bad
    • Mysterons
    • Numb
    • Glory Box
    • Tricky: Hell is Round the Corner
    • Glory Box
    • It Could Be Sweet
    • Sade: No Ordinary Love
    • It Could Be Sweet
    • Sour Times
    • Lalo Schifrim: Danube Incident
    • Isaac Hayes: Ike's Rap II
    • Glory Box
    • Strangers
    • It's A Fire
    • Pedestal
    • It Could Be Sweet
    • Esthero: Superheroes
    • Isaac Hayes: Walk On By
    • Nearly God: Poems
    • Goldie: Mother
    • Soho: Hot Music
    • Fela Kuti: Lady

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


    Tisa Bryant on The Emotions' "Rejoice" (1977) Nov 07, 2019
    Show notes

    The Emotions started out singing gospel as The Hutchinson Sunbeams, but when they signed a deal with Stax/Volt, they changed their name and switched to soul/R&B. They enjoyed modest success during those years, charting on the Hot 100, but Stax was going bankrupt, and The Emotions were left stranded.

    The group moved to Columbia Records and met Maurice White, who helped produce the biggest hits in their careers. "The Best of My Love" rocketed up the charts and reached the top spot on Billboard Pop and R&B and their album Rejoice went Platinum.

    Critic and professor Tisa Bryant talks to Oliver and guest co-host Ernest Hardy about the change in sound between the Stax/Volt and Columbia Records years, the role Maurice and Charles Stepney played in the production of this album, and The Emotions' place in the vast world of girl groups.

    More on Tisa

    • Tisa's book, Unexplained Presence
    • The Hybridized Writings of Tisa Bryant (KCET)
    • Twitter

    More on The Emotions

    • The Emotions on Stax Records
    • Wattstax trailer
    • An 'Emotional' Success Story (The New York Times)

    Show Tracklisting (all songs from Rejoice unless indicated otherwise):

    • Best of My Love
    • The Emotions: Peace Be Still
    • The Emotions: Flowers
    • A Long Way to Go
    • Bebe and Cece Winans: Heaven
    • Blessed
    • Deniece Williams: Free
    • Blessed
    • Key to My Heart
    • Don't Ask My Neighbors
    • A Feeling Is
    • Best of My Love
    • Don't Ask My Neighbors
    • Best of My Love
    • Don't Ask My Neighbors
    • A Long Way to Go
    • Rejoice
    • The Emotions: Blind Alley
    • The Emotions: Show Me How
    • The Emotions: Peace Be Still (Live at Wattstax)
    • The Emotions: We Go Through Changes
    • Love Unlimited: If You Want Me, Say It

    Here is the Spotify playlist of as many songs as we can find there.

    If you're not already subscribed to Heat Rocks in Apple Podcasts, do it here!


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