Grown & Growing by Keion and Shaunie Henderson

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Airport Bathrooms, Giraffe Tongues, and Other Things We Refuse Sep 24, 2026

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In this episode, Keion and Shaunie swap the usual format for a game of questions they've never asked each other before — and things get honest fast.

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They cover:

- The theme song of Keion's life (spoiler: it involves Al Green)

- The biggest stressor right now — and why rebuilding after the hurricane isn't just about money

- The childhood experience Shaunie thinks shaped Keion the most

- What Keion has never thanked Shaunie for

- When Keion actually feels safest (and why Shaunie's driving comes up)

- The one adventure still on their bucket list

- A memory from vacation Keion revisits often

Plus: a debate about The Notebook vs. The Five Heartbeats, why Keion refuses to touch a fish, and the airport bathroom story that ends the episode early.

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Timestamps

00:39 Welcome to "Surprise Me"

02:16 If your life had a theme song

03:48 Your biggest stressor right now

05:43 How I've changed since we met

07:10 The childhood experience that shaped you

08:35 One thing you've never thanked me for

11:51 When do you feel safest (and Shaunie's driving)

14:16 When do you feel most connected

17:39 What you need more of this season (golf)

19:08 What I worry about that I shouldn't

24:07 What motivates you most

29:44 A fear you don't talk about

36:15 One thing you hope never changes

37:27 Airport bathroom horror story

41:51 A memory of us you revisit often

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Mid-Life Pivots and the Courage to Change Your Brand Sep 10, 2026

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In this episode of Grown & Growing, Keion and Shaunie sit down to talk about midlife pivots: the courage it takes to leave something successful, the fear of becoming a beginner again, and why letting go of a season doesn't mean losing yourself.

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What we get into:• Shaunie on the slow, years-long transition out of the show she built• "I was chasing my future and releasing my past"• Why she no longer has to make decisions out of desperation• Keion on giving up his NBA dream after tearing his ACL—and playing his best season anyway• The leather notebook that mapped out their first years of marriage• Why midlife is the rare window where energy and wisdom finally meet

We also get honest about being misread publicly, protecting your peace, and planning for the next half of life instead of winging it.

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Health Is the New Luxury, Everything Else Is Second Place Aug 27, 2026

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What if wealth isn't the car, the watch, or the house — but the fact that you're healthy enough to enjoy any of it?

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In this episode of Grown & Growing, Keion and Shaunie Henderson unpack "The New Luxury" — why the real flex is health, presence, and the freedom to give.

What we get into:

• Why "wealth is health" isn't a cliché once you actually live it

• The hidden cost of chasing status (and why the "I only sleep 3 hours" brag is a warning sign)

• Comparison culture, social media illusions, and the pressure to catch up

• Why some of the wealthiest people feel the emptiest

• How giving — even in small ways — reframes what abundance means

• Shaunie's obsession with health, and the baby dedication story Keion never knew the backstory to

Plus: beets, watches from Walmart, and a heated debate about who really owns that hat.

New episodes drop every Thursday. If this one hit, share it with someone who needs the reminder that success and fulfillment aren't the same thing.

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Artificial Intimacy: Relationships in the Algorithm Era Aug 13, 2026

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What if you had to date your spouse in the age of TikTok, ChatGPT, and DM culture? In this episode of *Grown & Growing*, Keion and Shaunie Henderson unpack what love, commitment, and intimacy look like when algorithms are running the room. They get into: - Why this generation has more information about relationships than ever — and more confusion - Raising kids (especially sons) who aren't in a rush to marry or start families - The difference between real love and "cultural love" when the butterflies fade - Choosing a co-parent carefully, and why picky isn't shallow - Deal breakers, dinner-table pet peeves, and the missing-front-tooth debate - Why you don't really know someone until you live under the same roof - How AI, DMs, and voice notes are quietly replacing real conversation - Phone calls, anxiety, and the lost art of just talking It's honest, funny, and a little uncomfortable in the best way — a conversation about protecting real intimacy in a world built for shortcuts. Subscribe and share this one with someone who needs to put the phone down.Go to https://baskandlatherco.com and use code SHAUNIE for 20% off.Download Cash App Today: https://cash.app/ #CashAppPod. Timestamps 02:12 Dating in the age of algorithms 03:59 A generation that doesn't want marriage 05:36 Raising kids in the digital intimacy era 09:04 When the butterflies fade 10:39 The chewing test — small quirks, big deal breakers 12:20 The missing tooth hypothetical 15:33 Why real love requires patience 18:50 Ride or die in public, talk about it later 21:00 Wanting perfection while offering less 23:41 Why online dating can't replace real conflict 28:44 Prompting AI instead of speaking authentically 31:07 How this generation can build real intimacy 33:56 The lost art of the phone call 36:00 Voice notes vs. real conversationCash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa® Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Savings provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.

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The Trap of “Soft Life” vs. The Grind of Greatness Jul 30, 2026

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Is the "soft life" real growth — or a slow way of avoiding responsibility? In this episode, Keion and Shaunie unpack the difference between protecting your peace and dodging the hard work greatness actually requires. From parking lot standoffs to holding doors for strangers who don't say thanks, Shaunie makes it clear: she's not looking for smoke, but she's for it. Meanwhile, Keion breaks down why he's less addicted to work and more addicted to outcomes. What we get into: - The real definition of "soft life" — and where it starts costing you - Rest vs. laziness (and why the difference matters) - Sabbath vs. quitting — a biblical take - How avoiding conflict shaped their kids, and what changed - Whether greatness is defined by you or by the people watching - Shaunie's athletic résumé (and Keion's honest review) A conversation about pursuing peace without abandoning the grind — with plenty of laughs along the way. If this one hit home, share it with someone who needs to hear it. Chapters 00:38 Keion claims he's an open book 02:01 Defining "the soft life" 03:31 When avoiding conflict becomes avoiding responsibility 04:44 Shaunie: "I'm for the smoke" 05:24 The Walgreens parking spot test 06:46 The pizza shop door-holding story 08:19 Rest vs. laziness 09:43 Sabbath vs. quitting 11:21 The "one mile" debate 14:10 Shaunie's targeted workout philosophy 15:17 Identifying the softlifter in your circle 18:50 Work isn't an idol, outcomes are 21:35 Greatness costs everything 22:49 Who gets to decide what's great?

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Protect Your Marriage: The Surprising Power of Social Circles Jul 16, 2026

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Are your friends quietly rewriting your love story? What if the people in your circle were impacting your relationship more than you ever imagined?

Today, Shaunie Henderson and Keion Henderson pull back the curtain on the hidden ways our friends, family, and social circles can influence everything from marital satisfaction to the dramatic rise in divorce rates.

This conversation dives deep, drawing on surprising research and lived experience, to show how the company you keep might be shaping your relationship expectations, boundaries, and even your happiness.
You’ll walk away with:
- Powerful insights on how divorce and relationship trends actually spread through friend groups
- Candid stories about protecting your marriage (or partnership) energy
- The truth about “inheriting” relationship standards from family or friends
- Real talk about when to support friends in crisis—and when to set boundaries to guard your peace
- How to remain intentional, not reactive, no matter what’s happening in your social circle
Don’t let what’s around you mess up what’s yours.
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Timestamps
00:52 The friend who caught the divorce
02:03 Complaints as fuel vs. fuel for doubt
04:10 A 125% chance of catching it
04:35 Lean in or back away?
06:24 Extended circles and John's cooties
07:13 Golf buddies and the blessing effect
08:19 Confessions of a single wrangler
09:31 Inherited standards from our parents
10:36 Why grandparents give better advice
12:31 Marriage as a collision of two histories
13:15 The needy husband I don't have
14:40 Picky wife, silent husband at dinner
18:22 Leaving the pastor's calls at the door

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Church Conflicts, Generational Gaps, and Why People Walk Away Jul 02, 2026

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Why are so many young women leaving the church—not because they've lost faith, but because of how they're treated? In this probing episode, Shaunie Henderson and Keion Henderson tackle the generational divide that's shaking church communities and workplaces everywhere. The issue isn't just about doctrine—it's about culture, communication, and how we deal with correction and critique.

Get ready for a candid conversation that unpacks what it really means to lead and grow across generational and cultural lines. Whether you've ever felt dismissed or misunderstood, or you're struggling to connect with a new generation at work or church, this episode shines a light on where we’re coming up short—and how we can do better.

Key takeaways:

Why criticism of behavior—not belief—is causing so many young women to leave church
How trauma and life experience shape how we give and receive correction
The impact of generational differences on trust, leadership, and community
The push-and-pull between needing recognition and expecting resilience
Practical questions leaders and followers must face to grow together

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Golf, Burnout, and Boundaries: Can Hobbies Heal Your Relationship? Jun 18, 2026

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Can something as simple as slowing down change your life—or your relationship? On this episode of Grown and Growing, Keion Henderson and Shaunie Henderson dive headfirst into how America’s obsession with hustle is creating a craving for slower, more intentional moments—often found on the golf course.

From pandemic burnout to the curious language of golf, nothing is off-limits in this hilarious, honest, and relatable conversation. You’ll laugh, nod along, and maybe rethink how you wind down (or how you support your partner’s passion).

What you’ll discover:

Why golf is booming in the era of burnout and digital overload
The real reason slowing down is saving more than just your swing—it’s saving marriages
Unexpected (and hilarious) secrets behind golf’s wild lingo
How partners negotiate passion, patience, and quality time
Why supporting each other’s hobbies can be complicated—and sometimes comical

If you’ve ever clashed over hobbies, questioned your partner’s obsessions, or wondered how to balance connection with independence, this episode will leave you thinking and grinning.

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Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

00:08 - Golf and Slower Lifestyles

01:10 - Teasing the Episode Topic

01:47 - Burnout and Intentional Living

02:38 - Attitudes Toward Golf

03:40 - Golf’s Pandemic Surge

04:55 - COVID, Stress, and Golf Relief

05:53 - Golf Obsession in Daily Life

06:34 - Golf Language and Humor

07:24 - Relationship Tension Over Golf

08:00 - Playful Debate: Golf vs. Marriage

10:10 - Golf as Sanctuary

11:19 - Golf’s Popularity and Marriage

12:13 - Why Wives Hate Golf

13:14 - Restaurant vs. Golf Time

14:30 - Quality Time and New Beginnings

15:35 - Golf Store "Dates"

17:19 - Separating Golf From Marriage

21:06 - Vacation, Golf, and Compromise

23:23 - Birthday Traditions and Resentment

23:39 - Outro/Closing

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Men, Relationships, and Why Long-Term Love Is Harder Than Ever Jun 04, 2026

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Does everyone crave love, but commitment still feels like a disappearing act? This episode dives into the widening gap between wanting real connection and actually showing up for it—especially for men. Shaunie Henderson and Keion Henderson get real about why commitment trips people up, how cultural norms and emotional discipline play into relationship struggles, and why valuing something isn’t the same as protecting it.

Expect honest, sometimes funny, always eye-opening conversation on why so many say they want love, but struggle to keep it strong. You’ll walk away with real talk that cuts past blame and digs deep into what’s holding grown folks back from real partnership.

Key takeaways:

The truth behind men’s desire for long-term relationships—and what gets in the way
Why emotional discipline matters just as much as physical commitment
How independence, gender roles, and modern expectations can sabotage intimacy
The difference between saying you value commitment and actually building it
Practical insights for breaking out of old patterns and building healthy, lasting love

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Intro
00:11 - Desire vs. Reality in Commitment
00:55 - Why Is Commitment So Rare?
01:44 - The Gap Between Wanting and Sustaining
02:38 - Men’s Value of Long-Term Relationships
03:45 - Emotional Skills and Cultural Norms
04:47 - The Discipline Problem
05:34 - Commitment and Comfort Zones
07:19 - Instincts and Relationship Stability
08:38 - Desire for Connection vs. Emotional Discipline
09:09 - Fear of Commitment and Perfection
10:14 - Men’s Rationalization in Relationships
11:03 - Valuing but Not Sustaining Relationships
12:53 - Cheating, Value, and Partnership
14:43 - Managing Intimacy and the Role of Masculinity
16:01 - Women’s Independence and Traditional Roles
18:09 - Adapting Habits in New Relationships
20:23 - Gender Roles and Household Dynamics
21:34 - Outro

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Are Podcasts Replacing Pastors? Faith, Authority, and Influence May 21, 2026

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Are podcasts replacing pastors? In this episode of Grown and Growing, Keion and Shaunie Henderson tackle the culture shift where therapy podcasts, influencers, and viral opinions compete with the traditional role of spiritual leaders. From hilarious shoe debates to deep questions about authority, faith, and why everyone with a mic thinks they’re an expert, nothing is off-limits.

Dive in as they explore what gets lost when wisdom is crowd-sourced and why spiritual authority isn’t as “clickable” as a trending podcast. The hosts trade candid stories about church traditions, generational expectations, and the very real challenges (and comedy) that come from living out faith in a streaming world.

What you’ll get from this episode:
- Why so many turn to podcasts instead of pastors for advice
- The surprising dangers of armchair experts and “pop-up” Bible studies
- Real talk on church traditions, credibility, and authenticity
- How comedy and social media shape our views about faith
- Honest insights on keeping faith relevant for new generations

If you’re wrestling with who (or what) really deserves your trust and influence, this conversation will push you and make you laugh.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:31 - House Shoes and First Date Stories
03:31 - The Question: Pastors vs. Podcasts
04:22 - Changing Spiritual Authority
05:54 - Why Podcasters Are Replacing Pastors
06:33 - Trend of Questioning Religious Tradition
08:14 - Credentials and Bible Study Critique
09:00 - The Challenge of Teaching the Bible
09:49 - Authority: Earned vs. Inherited
10:45 - Unrealistic Expectations of Pastors
12:06 - Losing Credibility and Skipping Preparation
14:40 - The Pressure on Preachers
16:11 - Imperfection, Authenticity, and Cursing
17:17 - Drinking, Sin, and Perception
18:48 - Therapy, Podcasts, and Church Guidance
19:56 - Navigating Offense in Church Comedy
22:24 - Respect, Reputation, and Living as a Pastor
23:29 - Judgement, Culture, and Performer Choices
24:35 - Good and Bad in Every Field
25:11 - Ministry Work, Misunderstandings, and Comedy
26:01 - Generational Shifts in Church Practice
27:54 - Adapting Church Communication
29:27 - Newcomers, Faith, and Pure Moments
31:05 - Handling Criticism and Misinformation
31:50 - Where People Turn in Crisis
32:25 - Social Life, Authenticity, and First Dates
33:23 - Outro

Shaunie and Keion share their blueprint for thriving as a power couple.

As sought-after public figures, Keion and Shaunie maneuver sharing the spotlight in marriage and business. The cultural and religious superstars illuminate how they tag team and complement each other in work and life: Keion tends to assume a “visionary” big-picture role while Shaunie typically functions as a detail-oriented “facilitator.” In this episode, the Hendersons unpack why “competition isn’t good for the house” and how to keep “business baggage out of the bedroom.” As leaders at church and at home, they’ve learned to swap visionary-facilitator roles based on what their partner needs.

Tips and advice include how to set boundaries between work and home, why communicating crucial decisions with your partner early on helps them trust the final outcome, and why it’s important not to “split the negative” but share both successes and failures. It takes growth on the inside to not only share the spotlight with your partner but to help each other shine. Above all, Keion reminds us that “You cannot share the spotlight without also sharing the darkness.”

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