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VDAO Ep.6 Everyday Resilience Building Anti-Fragility in Suburbia with Gardner Dec 18, 2025

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In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Anti-Fragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Gardner, a tech founder exploring how local resilience and self-sovereignty can be built without going off-grid.

Gardner shares his hands-on journey of transforming a suburban home into a more resilient system from rainwater harvesting and food forests to community reciprocity and mindset shifts. They discuss why resilience doesn't mean bunkers or isolation, how small actions compound, and why investing in community, not fear, is the real path to anti-fragility.

A grounded, practical conversation for anyone curious about building resilience right where they live.

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Timestamps

00:00 – Cold open: collapse, bunkers & "the power is still on" 01:08 – Gardner joins & his "why" as a builder 02:21 – Building a better future through local resilience 03:50 – IRL + URL coordination and finding your tribe 06:04 – Self-sovereignty vs community: not opposites 08:55 – Suburban fragility & reliance on centralized systems 10:18 – Resilience doesn't mean going off-grid 11:30 – First steps: rainwater harvesting at home 12:38 – Water ethics, pools & responsibility 14:25 – Learning by doing: how much water you can actually catch 16:16 – Nature's ability to self-filter water 18:06 – Reducing water demand through hardscaping 19:55 – Destruction as a forcing function for better design 22:36 – Upcycling, free resources & neighbor collaboration 24:31 – Food forests, edible ground cover & rethinking lawns 26:30 – Growing food as "printing yield" 28:31 – Optimism, effort & real sacrifices 30:38 – Family trade-offs & finishing the project 32:58 – "Should I be building a bunker?" 35:19 – The reality behind fast YouTube tutorials 39:06 – Action over fear: doing something tangible 41:02 – Investing in community through shared spaces 43:04 – Turning lawns into food forests at scale 45:06 – Scaling local resilience: resources & accountability 49:07 – Why people think about collapse but don't act 50:54 – Fear vs empowerment in suburban resilience 52:46 – Vision for communal learning spaces ("Wee Woods") 54:07 – Closing thoughts: start small, build, and be free

NN Ep:8 Functional Sovereignty: Can Network Nations Self-Govern Without Land? Dec 18, 2025

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In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi speak with Morshed Mannan (European University Institute) and Neil Walker (author of Sovereignty in Transition) to explore one of the most challenging ideas in political theory today: Functional Sovereignty.

They discuss whether sovereignty can be unbundled into separate functions like identity, finance, and dispute resolution — and what it means when digital communities begin exercising these powers without controlling land. Together they examine historical precedents, overlapping authorities, private platform power (Amazon, Meta), self-determination, legitimacy, polycentric governance, and how decentralized infrastructure may enable network nations to achieve real autonomy.

A foundational conversation for understanding how communities can self-govern in the networked age.

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Timestamps

00:00 – Cold open: "Functional sovereignty is an oxymoron. 01:34 – What is functional sovereignty? 02:18 – Introducing guests: Morchette Mannan & Neil Walker 03:48 – Traditional sovereignty vs non-territorial sovereignty 06:14 – How communities govern identity, finance & dispute systems 07:20 – Unbundling sovereignty into multiple functions 08:25 – Historical evolution of sovereignty (dynastic → modern state) 10:50 – Early cracks: EU autonomy without exclusivity 13:09 – Examples of functional sovereignty (EU, monetary union, etc.) 16:42 – Guild socialism & industrial self-governance 18:20 – Decentralized constitutionalism in Yugoslavia 19:08 – Citizens as the sovereign, not territory 20:44 – Are Big Tech platforms (Amazon/Facebook) functional sovereigns? 23:24 – Digital proximity & affinity in network communities 25:29 – Declarative vs constitutive sovereignty 27:18 – Corporate sovereignty vs democratic sovereignty 29:33 – Power vs authority: who is the real sovereign? 31:58 – Sovereignty as a discursive claim 33:48 – Why Network Nations seek functional, not declarative, sovereignty 35:50 – Self-determination vs sovereignty 37:00 – The paradox of self-constitution 39:24 – How multiple sovereigns overlap (polycentricity) 41:34 – Managing conflict in overlapping jurisdictions 43:15 – Constitutions and polycentric coordination 45:21 – Who decides who decides? 47:42 – Multi-level governance & territorial scaffolding 49:36 – Functional domains: art, science, data, digital systems 51:38 – How functional sovereignty works in practice 53:22 – Cooperatives as real examples of mutual self-governance 55:43 – Cross-border recognition & legal frameworks 58:05 – What law can and cannot do in digital governance 01:00:06 – Why Network Nations require hybrid (digital + physical) presence 01:02:29 – Decentralized infrastructure as sovereign infrastructure 01:04:08 – Can network nations coexist peacefully with states? 01:06:20 – States' anxiety about digital communities 01:08:42 – Politics, culture & technological migration 01:10:00 – Closing

VDAO Ep.5 Building Local Anti-Fragility Bitcoin, Permaculture & Community Resilience w Steph Curdy Dec 09, 2025

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In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Anti-Fragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Steph Curdy — Bitcoin early adopter, Wolfram researcher, and real-world resilience builder who traded city life for a hands-in-the-soil permaculture experiment.

Steph shares how Bitcoin shaped his understanding of asymmetry, how COVID exposed the fragility of urban systems, and why he decided to buy land, build food and energy resilience, and grow a local community around it. They explore anti-fragility, decentralized systems, gradients, permaculture design, skepticism, community trust, and why people — not tomatoes — are the real value in any resilient ecosystem.

A grounded, practical and inspiring look at how digital builders can become real-world resilience builders.

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⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 – Cold open: "The real value is community, not tomatoes." 01:24 – Welcome to the VDAO Anti-Fragile Network State season 02:19 – Steph Curdy joins the show 02:44 – Steph's "why" as a builder 03:50 – Bitcoin, energy & curiosity 05:48 – What anti-fragility means to Steph 07:30 – Bitcoin as asymmetric exposure 08:55 – COVID revealing urban fragility 09:38 – Searching for land & building resilience 11:35 – Bitcoin as a "Cambrian explosion" of economic primitives 13:32 – Returning to foundational systems: food & nature 15:46 – Steph's background: Tesla → finance → Wolfram 17:31 – Discovering permaculture 19:11 – Emergence: crypto, permaculture & meta-crisis spaces 20:56 – Sensemaking through energy gradients 22:52 – History & first-principles thinking 25:05 – Using gradients to understand Bitcoin 26:55 – How Steph thinks about skeptics 28:51 – Money as information & coordination 30:27 – Listening as a core civic skill 32:25 – Crypto insecurity & ecosystem overwhelm 34:44 – Quality-of-life benefits of resilience 36:24 – Buying land: the practical journey 38:46 – Turning a junk site into regenerative opportunity 41:10 – Building trust with neighbors 42:58 – Year-by-year development of the land 45:02 – Insight: community is the real value 47:29 – Mushroom systems, events & collaborative building 49:28 – Crypto × permaculture: bridging the worlds 51:51 – Polarization & public perception 54:30 – Digital + physical sovereignty 57:03 – What Steph learned building in real life 59:49 – Closing thoughts 01:00:32 – Outro

NN Ep:7 Meta-Politics: Designing Digital Environments for Civic Power with Audrey & Nathan Schneider Dec 06, 2025

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In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, Primavera De Filippi & Felix Beer speak with Audrey Tang, former Digital Minister of Taiwan, and Nathan Schneider, professor and author of Governable Spaces. Together they explore Meta-Politics — the foundational design of digital infrastructures that shape how civil society governs itself online.

Audrey and Nathan discuss how platforms today constrain collective action, how democratic protocols like alignment assemblies can counter online harms, and why new governance substrates must embed values such as plurality, civic care, interoperability, and entanglement. They also examine decentralized identities, freedom of movement, DAOs, religion as governance, and how network-native communities can evolve into political actors.

A powerful conversation about the next layer of digital democracy — and what it takes to build civic technologies that empower global communities.

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00:00 – Cold start 02:18 – Introducing Audrey Tang & Nathan Schneider 03:07 – Nathan: "Why I worry about the word meta" 05:10 – Nation-states as fragile historical accidents 06:15 – Self-governing online networks as new politics 08:16 – How today's platforms limit civic life 10:22 – Blockchains break the server–client power structure 12:17 – Nation-states reacting to decentralized governance 14:33 – Audrey: Democracy as a "social technology" 16:37 – Deepfakes, alignment assemblies & Taiwan's model 18:33 – Crowdsourced policymaking at national scale 20:49 – Freedom of movement & interoperability design 22:48 – What Network Nation aims to build 24:52 – Audrey's "Six-Pack of Care" 27:13 – Embedding civic care into protocols 29:21 – Bridging systems & depolarization 31:33 – What values can — and cannot — be encoded 33:28 – Forking, polycentric governance & metastability 35:52 – Norms vs code: where power really lives 37:41 – How decentralized tech forces governance innovation 39:51 – Why cooperatives aren't enough for politics 42:13 – Religion as a governance model for network nations 45:17 – Open movements & global political power 47:15 – Civil society as a political actor 49:40 – Verifiable credentials & protecting deliberation 51:52 – Avoiding dystopia & VC-dominated "network states" 54:17 – Funding, incentives & getting there first 56:43 – Poison pills & preventing bad governance 58:39 – Scaling across vs scaling up 01:00:44 – Fractal scaling & mutualization 01:02:53 – Naming as the first political act 01:05:59 – Different starting points for network nations 01:08:15 – Diversity, plurality & collective action 01:10:29 – Making conflict fun through bridging 01:12:41 – Innovation amnesia & protecting past wins 01:14:42 – Values vs opinions in political communities 01:16:37 – Civic care vs individual virtue ethics 01:19:00 – Entanglement as cohesion 01:21:11 – Building a narrative that reaches real people 01:23:25 – Applying meta-politics to global crises 01:25:46 – Everyday tools already enabling the future 01:26:51 – Closing

S.10 Ep.6 Public Goods Funding in 2026 & What Builders Should Do Next with Vitalik ButerinVitalik Buterin on Public Goods Funding in 2026 : Mechanisms, Money & What Builders Should Do Next Dec 04, 2025

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In this episode of the Green Pill Podcast, Kevin Owocki and co-host Devansh Mehta sit down with Vitalik Buterin for their annual deep dive into the future of public goods funding in the Ethereum ecosystem.

They explore where funding will come from in 2026, how the landscape has shifted from "vibes-based" funding to verifiable, dependency-driven mechanisms, and why this is the best moment to reform PGF using new tools like programmable cryptography, AI-assisted evaluation, and deep funding models.

Vitalik also shares how he thinks about dependencies, credible neutrality, open-source licensing, pluralism, accountability, and what builders should prioritize in the coming year.

A must-listen for anyone designing mechanisms, funding public goods, or building the next era of Ethereum governance.

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🌐 Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to the Green Pill Podcast 01:50 – Vitalik joins: why public goods funding matters 02:19 – Why PGF is essential for decentralization 04:18 – The crypto spirit: censorship resistance, institutional design & funding 06:42 – The shift from vibes-era PGF to verifiable mechanisms 08:25 – Why 2026 is the best moment to reform PGF 10:19 – Where does PGF money actually come from? 12:45 – Open-source licensing, taxes & funding dependencies 17:34 – "Fund your dependencies" as a stable mechanism 19:35 – Why general-purpose QF doesn't work in a chaotic world 21:59 – Bottom-up vs top-down: polycentric PGF 25:29 – How to create accountability loops in public goods 27:22 – Funding open-source as an Ethereum priority 29:31 – Privacy as a public good & why it's upstream of PGF 31:54 – What OSS developers really think about crypto 33:52 – Mixing social outreach with financial support 35:56 – What should PGF builders focus on in 2026? 38:13 – Work with new projects, not legacy ones 39:44 – Ecosystem cycles & "layers of sediment" 41:39 – Yield-based funding (Octant) & treasury strategies 43:40 – Accountability: from vibes to rigorous mechanisms 47:35 – Motivation, feedback & the psychology of public goods 50:43 – Profit sharing licenses & sustainable PGF pools 53:46 – Security, issuance & public goods 56:12 – Technology, democracy & long-term risks 58:31 – How PGF relates to DIAC (Defensive/Decentralized Acceleration) 01:00:05 – Solving the free-rider problem without coercion 01:02:12 – Mechanisms vs coercion: credible neutrality 01:04:16 – Institutions, power & capture risks 01:06:16 – Individuals vs institutions in PGF 01:08:41 – Why PGF is more error-tolerant than governance 01:11:01 – Pluralism: many funders, many mechanisms 01:13:14 – Why diversity of funders is healthy 01:15:17 – What Vitalik wants built next 01:17:12 – Ethereum localism & real-world experiments 01:19:28 – What success in PGF looks like by end of 2026 01:24:28 – Closing thoughts

VDAO Ep.4 : Pop-Up Cities, Membership Models & Network Societies with Chance McAllister Dec 01, 2025

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In this episode of the VDAO × Greenpill Antifragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Chance McAllister, one of the early builders shaping the pop-up village movement and researching how global communities form identity, belonging, and support systems.

Chance McAllister shares how a simple Discord link created a high-talent online community, how pop-up cities exploded from one experiment to dozens worldwide, and why digital nomads are searching for deeper social infrastructure. They explore informal safety nets, civil society history, global "dark talent," and what we can learn from groups like the Mennonites as we design the next generation of network societies.

A thoughtful, human-centered conversation for anyone exploring community, belonging, and new models of membership across borders.

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🌐 Timestamps

00:00 – Cold open 00:24 – What "network state" means to Chance 01:14 – Chance's personal "why" 02:40 – Network societies as an umbrella concept 04:22 – The diversity inside the movement 05:49 – How Chance entered the space 07:27 – Accidentally creating a high-talent Discord 09:27 – Formal vs informal safety nets 12:11 – Unlocking global talent 14:19 – Origins of pop-up villages 16:22 – Zuzalu & the first big experiment 18:19 – Why Chance started researching pop-up cities 20:22 – Civil society & mutual aid history 22:42 – "Summer camps for nomads?" critique 24:52 – Permanent hubs vs pop-ups 28:59 – Demand for new communities 30:59 – The Mennonite example 35:08 – Why jurisdictions welcomed them 37:33 – Lessons for network builders 41:54 – Building identity & membership 48:39 – The future of membership models 55:35 – Designing new societal structures 58:51 – Closing thoughts

Network Nations Ep:6 Regen: Toward a Network Nation Identity, Commons & Collective Agency Nov 28, 2025

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In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi brings together Kevin Owocki (Greenpill / Gitcoin), Austin Wade Smith(Regen Network), and Monty Merlin (ReFi DAO) to explore whether the global Regen movement is evolving into a proto–Network Nation.

They discuss Regen's shared identity, the rise of ecological state protocols, DAO-of-DAOs coordination, distributed governance, bioregional + digital hybrid communities, and how entanglement, values, and collective purpose shape the next civic era.

This is a foundational conversation for anyone interested in how ecological stewardship, Web3 coordination, and cultural identity can weave into a new form of civil society.

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Timestamps

00:00 – Cold open 00:59 – Welcome to the Network Nations mini-series 02:20 – Meet the guests: Kevin, Austin & Monty 03:22 – Is the Regen movement a proto–Network Nation? 05:13 – Austin: How Regen Network began 09:25 – Kevin: Gitcoin, Greenpill & regenerative culture 13:40 – Monty: The origins of ReFi DAO 17:31 – Are Regen communities forming a "network of networks"? 19:10 – Shared Regen identity & culture 21:32 – Holding digital and bioregional worlds together 23:46 – Activism vs community-driven identity 26:09 – What makes someone a "Regen"? 29:07 – Mission-driven vs identity-driven motivation 32:45 – Is Regen becoming a nation-like identity? 38:17 – What "nation" means for Greenpill 40:33 – Toward Ethereum localism & civic public goods 42:00 – How the Regen groups collaborate today 47:12 – DAO of DAOs: emerging interwoven coordination 49:32 – What is "entanglement" between communities? 51:30 – Structural vs economic entanglement 54:40 – Reputation as a binding force 56:30 – Co-living & real-world Regen communities 58:23 – The next step: unlocking capital flows 01:00:35 – How a Regen Network Nation might emerge 01:04:16 – Closing thoughts from guests

VDAO Ep.3 Designing Antifragile Systems Regeneration, Nature & Decentralization with Rob Avis Nov 24, 2025

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In this episode of the VDAO x Greenpill Antifragile Network States mini-series, host Kris Miller talks with Rob Avis, a permaculture educator, systems thinker, and co-founder of Fifth World.

Rob shares his journey from industrial food and oil & gas to regenerative design, and explains how nature, decentralization, and appropriate technology can help humanity build antifragile food, energy, and water systems. They explore regeneration, feedback loops, digital tools, beaver-built ecosystems, community resilience, and how to inspire the next generation of earth stewards.

A deeply optimistic, practical, and inspiring conversation for anyone building toward a resilient future.

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🌐 Timestamps

00:00 – Cold Start 01:15 – Rob Avis joins the show 01:38 – Childhood roots: seeing the Amazon rainforest destroyed 04:01 – Cutting down forests in oil & gas the turning point 06:20 – Traveling the world to study energy, food & water systems 08:04 – Cheesecake factories, industrial food & system awareness 09:45 – What antifragility really means 12:06 – The three states: fragile, resilient, antifragile 13:43 – Human body as an antifragile system 16:08 – Ecosystems as antifragile, syntropic systems 18:18 – Why "sustainability" is not enough 20:07 – Regeneration: leaving systems better than we found them 22:17 – The beaver example; disturbance as healing 24:00 – Humans as positive ecological disruptors 25:42 – The "woo-woo" critique of regenerative movements 28:04 – Pragmatic regen: examples from large-scale farmers 30:28 – Using appropriate tools not dogma 32:51 – Global regeneration examples (Saudi, India, China) 35:09 – Land vs tech: bridging permaculture and crypto cultures 36:58 – 10,000 years of "deforest, plow, desertify" 39:24 – How digital tools enable better ecological feedback 41:51 – Tech vs nature: design the right balance 44:00 – Vitalik's techno-optimism & defensive accelerationism 45:19 – Decentralization as a natural principle 47:01 – From activist to humanist 49:00 – Everything gardens — humans included 51:18 – The biggest challenge: changing mindsets 53:29 – Fifth World: decentralized food, energy & water systems 55:48 – Case study: regenerating a desert property into abundance 58:14 – Why people crave reconnection with land & nature 59:57 – How urban renters can start (the Apple Harvest story) 01:02:37 – Community orchards & urban abundance 01:04:41 – Inspiration vs fear: how to steer the canoe 01:06:48 – Healing ourselves to heal ecosystems 01:09:09 – Bridging crypto + nature: governance & invisible structures 01:11:33 – A call for collaboration (real-world builders hackathon?) 01:13:22 – Regeneration as enlightened self-interest 01:14:40 – Final thoughts: do we want to be on the extinction list?

Network Nations Ep:5 What Makes a Nation? Identity, Belonging & Digital Communities Nov 21, 2025

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In this episode of the Network Nations mini-series, host Primavera De Filippi sits down with Liav Orgad, Rainer Bauböck, and Yancey Strickler to explore one of the biggest questions of the digital age:

Can communities built online become real political communities or even nations?

They discuss how digital proximity, shared identity, translocal culture, and decentralized governance may lead to new forms of belonging beyond borders. The conversation dives into nationhood, coercion vs. voluntary membership, diaspora models, digital tribes, "dark forests," and what political agency looks like when communities coordinate across the world without territory.

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🌐 Timestamps

00:00 – Cold Start 00:29 – Welcome to the Network Nations mini-series 01:31 – What are network nations? A new space for civil society 03:53 – Introducing today's guests 05:22 – Are translocal digital communities forming new identities? 07:42 – Digital proximity vs territorial proximity 09:52 – Are these real political communities or just civil society? 12:13 – Coercion, birthright, and the nature of political membership 13:41 – Cloud communities vs nation-states 15:57 – Crisis of governance and the need for new models 17:58 – Internet culture reshaping society 20:21 – Will digital communities become private states? 22:36 – Intrinsic purpose vs instrumental communities 24:46 – Can network nations scale without becoming homogeneous tribes? 27:08 – Internet power, dark forests & new kinds of institutions 29:27 – How culture emerges in online spaces 31:31 – Are we witnessing a new form of governance? 33:35 – What's actually "new" about network nations? 38:00 – Identity, ethnicity & digital self-government 40:15 – Diaspora parallels and non-territorial belonging 42:34 – Overlapping sovereignties & cross-border kinship 44:56 – Religion & non-territorial governance analogies 46:23 – Redistributing political power beyond the state 48:37 – Tribalism vs human flourishing 50:38 – Closing reflections + where to follow the guests

Book Launch: The Network Firm, Rethinking Capital Allocation in the Age of Blockchain & AI Nov 20, 2025

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New pod and a *NEW BOOK* out today!

Kevin sits down with Daniel Ospina and Daniel Stringer from RnDAO to introduce their new book:The Network Firm: How Capital Allocation Changes in the Age of Blockchain and AI.

They explore how the traditional theory of the firm is being transformed by lower coordination costs, AI-driven cognition, and blockchain-powered trust enabling a new era of open, fluid, network-native organizations.

Together they break down how legacy bureaucratic structures dissolve when work becomes legible, global, and composable and why the next century of coordination will be shaped by networks, not firms.

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Timestamps

00:00 – Welcome to the new Green Pill season 00:40 – Introducing the book: The Network Firm 01:39 – Meet Daniel Ospina & Daniel Stringer (RnDAO) 03:37 – What is a "network firm"? 04:57 – How blockchain & AI lower coordination costs 07:05 – Why traditional firms are slow & rigid 09:22 – Milestones, grants & broken incentives 11:19 – Freelancing vs companies: real coordination friction 12:39 – Case study: GainForest 14:05 – Using AI to verify real-world work 15:03 – Blockchain for global capital distribution 16:07 – Web2 lowered some costs, Web3 lowers all 18:33 – Turning passive scrolling into active co-creation 19:40 – Who should own the networks we build? 20:28 – Utopia, dystopia nothing is guaranteed 22:45 – Why design choices matter 23:13 – Invitation: help build new organizational forms 24:40 – Legitimacy vs speed in new systems 25:23 – Final thoughts from the authors 26:40 – Where to get the book

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