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    GREEN Organic Garden Podcast

    The GREEN Organic Garden Podcast will inspire, teach, and promote earth friendly techniques by interviewing organic gardeners who share their journeys, tips, and tricks to simplify the process of growing your own delicious healthy food. Whether you want to have a small bed in your backyard or a full grown farming operation, our guests will help you reach your gardening goals and offer you resources and solutions to everyday gardening challenges, and inspiration to dig down in the dirt and get growing!

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    Soil Sista Saturday Episode 2 | Fall Garden Planting | Homegrown Cabbage Coleslaw and Eggplant Lasagna Jul 31, 2021
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    Roasted Eggplant LasagnaHomegrown Cabbage Cole SlawIsn't this cabbage as lovely as a rose!This is Jackie Marie Beyer, your host here to help inspire you on your journey to create, grow and enjoy a green organic oasis. So let's get growing! Welcome to the GREEN Organic Garden. It is Saturday, July 31st, 2021. And I am here for episode two of Soil Sista Saturday, with the golden listener of 2020 Aileen Catrone and welcome back. So what's growing in New Jersey this week. How's it going?47sAileen Catrone Well, I started fall planting, so squash, zucchini, and I'm going to start my broccoli indoors. How do you think that goes? We think of a work I have to work.1m 6sJackieMarie I think you're starting squash new?1m 10sAileen Catrone Yes. Yes. Starting it, like just putting the seeds in the ground. They've already come up. It's amazing. Cause I think you have so many days, like 70 days or something before your first frost and you can harvest them. So let's see how it works out.1m 28sJackieMarie Oh, well, when did your first car? We had somebody posts the other day in the Western modern Taylor gardening group that she lost all her zinnias cause it was down at 28, less than 50 miles for me. And we have had a killer frost on August 8th before hopefully, or, but yes, we we're lucky if we can go to September. Yeah.1m 51sAileen Catrone Since October 30th, like Halloween, October 15th, October 30th and the way the weather's working, it might, it might just go into November who knows? I mean it's hot out there. It's unusually warm. Yeah. So the broccoli I'm going to start inside for a fall. Like, you know, you know how I was doing it in the spring, but those cabbage Watts decimated everything out there that was broccoli oriented, any kind of broccoli, Rob Kali fly, anything. It was just gone.2m 32sAileen Catrone So I w again, Gary Pilarchik that you had on, he had said something about trying to start a fall garden indoors, you know, get some things ready for the fall and plant them out in your garden for the fall. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do transplants of cauliflower and broccoli. And I think I would try brussel sprouts too. So there's no, there's no threat of that dreaded cabbage moth. And I haven't seen any for the past week or two. So that's interesting. Might be just a spring thing. And then I don't know what your insight is on that?3m 9sJackieMarie I don't know. I'm so curious. And I had somebody else who was in New Jersey asked me what to plan for the fall. So this is awesome. So in Montana, so these are the challenges I have last year. I tried to do the fall broccoli thing. And the problem I had was it was so hot outside that it just, it just never took off and they never got bigger than six inches. And then I can remember they froze or whatever. They didn't make it.I planted lettuce yesterday. So that's what I'm trying to plant for the fall. Last year, I planted my letter September 1st and it just didn't take off enough before when, like, I was able to pick like a couple of leaves at Thanksgiving, but like, there just wasn't enough.Arugula outside my kitchen getting ready to bolt already August 1, 20213m 54sJackieMarie So this year I'm hoping August 1st, you know, July 30th, August 1st, right in there, I me be better. And I planted a fall bed of arugala like a month ago, but it's already getting ready to bolt. It's just not gonna make it through August. I don't think so. I'm going to have to plant a root up again, but I've been eating like crazy. It's doing good now. So broccoli and cabbage, I'm curious to see what happens. So we'll see, that's what they say and I'm indoors and then put them out. They definitely liked the cold weather. My broccoli on my broccoli starts that I started at like 25 broccoli starts and they were doing so good. And the plants are so huge. And I go down there one day and the squirrel or chipmunk or whatever the heck it is, eat all of my broccoli!4m 40sJackieMarie So I am like almost same problem as you, like something got it the past. And then I did the dumbest thing I been like covering my kale. So the bugs don't. So the moths don't, you know, lay their bugs, in my kale. And I've been doing really good about it and covering it every night, almost, I've missed like three nights, but I haven't gotten bugs in there, but you know what happened the other day, I went down in the morning and uncovered it in the morning. One day I just happened to go down, was working down there early and I left it uncovered all day and the darn chipmunk went and ate most of my kale! How dumb Can you be like, I'm like, oh my goodness. I went down the water and was like, ahhhh!5m 23sAileen Catrone Try to do the broccoli and the cabbage now for the fall or no?5m 28sJackieMarie No, he just, oh, he's having the toughest time. But I did pick, so that's my cooking this week. I made cole slaw yesterday. I did, he did pick me up and I just think cabbages look like roses. There's show beautiful. Like these gigantic huge roses. They're so pretty the chipmunks or gophers or whatever the heck he's got down there that are destroying his garden, completely ate all the purple ones and made purple ones in my beds too, over by the house. But they did not eat the green ones. So I got two green cabbages this weekend and I made homemade cole slaw. 6m 8sJackieMarie And if anybody wants my cole slaw recipe is on the organicgardenerpodcast.com. That's where I go to cook eight. You just type coleslaw in the search bar and it comes up and I make a closeout. Like one of my secrets is I mix mayonnaise and yogurt and it cuts the calories. And it just gives it this different flavor that I don't know where he found that recipe. I want to say it was from my friend Dacia's mom. But yeah, so6m 37sAileen Catrone I love yogurt it's got a tangy flavor, which is nice.6m 41sJackieMarie Yeah. It, like it said in the recipe to use vanilla yogurt first, like, I don't know the recipe I post in 2017, so I can't remember why, but I used half vanilla and half plain yogurt yesterday and a little bit of mayonaise oh, so good. And I put Craisins and walnuts in it. It's delicious. So that's, what's cooking in my garden. Those are my challenges. That's what I'm growing. What are you cooking?7m 10sAileen Catrone Okay. I forgot to mention the last time we spoke, we talked about what, what did we talk about for the, I can't remember. Anyway,7m 18sJackieMarie You were cooking tomatoes and eggplants. I forgot what you called. It's funny. Cause I was just looking at the show notes and the transcription,7m 30sAileen Catrone A Eggplant Tomato Parmesan.7m 33sJackieMarie Well, that's what you posted on, on wine, but Instagram or somewhere, but on the show you talked about a sauce, or what did you call it? You had some name for it. That's why7m 49sAileen Catrone Totally. When he made, oh, Robbie made Ratatouille. Yes. He made a Ratatouille so good. Yes. That's what he made. Yes. With some tomatoes and the eggplants that I grew also, I forgot to mention about the zucchini - stuffed zucchini flowers. We made8m 14sJackieMarie My mom made stuffed like a fried, zucchini flower. And I was telling her about your stuffed zucchini flowers. She was like, oh, what did they stuff them with?8m 25sAileen Catrone Mozzerella and capers.Just stuff the, you know, the male flowers, the zucchini flowers or squash flowers stepped in with the male capers and then just dredged them in a like egg batter and then deep fry them. Oh my God, they were so delicious. It's that simple. The recipe. It's so simple. Very simple. You can do a little bit to that regarding there. If you want, you know, with the mozzarella and the capers, it's up to you, you could do pre-shoot. Some people do project and what's it all. It's all up to you. How you want to step you're flour and deep fry8m 59sJackieMarie Flour. Do you fry it like oil or anything? Or you just eat it graduate 9m 3sAileen Catrone In the, in the batter, the whole flower, that stuff you're dragging. And you have to leave a bit of the stem on because that's how you're going to be able to pick it up. And the stems are delicious, deep fried also. So it's the whole thing you eat. What's9m 18sJackieMarie What's the batter you make. Is it like, then we'll add9m 22sAileen Catrone Egg batter. Egg and water. Very simple. 9m 27sJackieMarie Lauer and milk are so I don't even know what she mean. Yeah. It was very9m 34sAileen Catrone Simple. Very simple. So, I mean, you know what? I can post it on your channel or, you know, on the organic garden, the Facebook9m 46sJackieMarie. Okay.9m 49sAileen Catrone There. That recipe9m 51sJackieMarie You called it a Pomodoro sauce. Oh,9m 54sAileen Catrone He makes a Pomodoro sauce. Yeah. That's just your tomatoes, onions, garlic, and a light Pomodoros. That's very good. And it's an olive oil, salt, pepper. It that just like it just coats, the macaroni, you know, or coats or rice. It's very nice. That's a Pomodoro. I, yes, that's really good too. 10m 14sJackieMarie Maybe I should just, what was this week? This week?10m 19sAileen Catrone We didn't do it. And that was, I just wanted to tell you about the stuffed papers, but the eggplant Parmesan, we did this week. Eggplants, roasted tomatoes with mushrooms and summer cuts. So he layered the Eggplant. He grilled the grill, the eggplant, grilled, the tomatoes, let them cool down. Then he did the nuggets and mushrooms and layered it like lasagna and put it in the red sauce.10m 49sJackieMarie That was the one that I showed the pictures from. Yes,10m 52sAileen Catrone That's what he made this week. Put the tomatoes and the eight plant. Yes.10m 56sJackieMarie I'm just starting to harvest like a ton. Like I like where I'm getting to the point where you were like a couple of weeks ago where like every day I go down and get like today, I couldn't even hold them all on my hands. I had to like pull out my shirt and like Mike brought a basket and that's even after Mike went down and picked a basket last night, we have three different kinds of tomatoes. I have cherry tomatoes, Roma, tomatoes, and Oregon, spring tomatoes, and three that's a bad day. I'm going to have my 30 plants are going to probably have almost as many as your 90. Well, maybe not, but I believe it. I had a tomato harvest.11m 31sAileen Catrone I believe that they're going crazy out there! Crazy! And I just gave some away to a friend, so that's good. And you know, they're, I'm very picky too on their produce, So I'm, you know, I'm going to call him later and see if he liked the way they tasted. So, you know, we'll see what happens. Oh. And then while he was doing the bricks, the11m 53sJackieMarie Brix, Mike was like, what's Aileen doing this morning. I was like, yeah, one of those, but Felicia has, I haven't got back. She has it. She's going to give it to me. I just haven't seen her since I asked her. Yeah, you12m 6sAileen Catrone You did a show with Patty Armbruster and it was this refractor meter. So bricks is, I guess, the sugars, you know, how healthy your plant is that you're, you know, growing you, you can, you can.And how nutritious your food is.For the Love of Soil: Strategies to Regenerate Our Food Production Systems12m 22sJackieMarie Would your eating, I think it has something to do with like the carbohydrates and the sugars in it, but it shows you, I actually talked to thisguy from Colorado. Oh my gosh, I'm blanking on his name. He told me about it. But Nicole Masters who wrote For the Love of Soilhas like a whole diagram in there that really explains it. And then, yeah. And then Patti went through it last week in the YouTube video.https://youtu.be/Y9me3DEsB9412m 46sAileen Catrone Okay. So that's and I got a tomato at seven. I'd let you know the average it's said as a six, you know, it's okay. It's average, blah, blah, blah. But I got it at a seven I'm happy, 77. I'm good. I'd like to get a 12 but no go.13m 5sJackieMarie And you grew that tomato! Thing that Patti was saying that I didn't realize is that like the time of day that you pick it can make a difference, the time of day that you test can make a difference. So..13m 15sAileen Catrone Yeah. All these factors, if it's going to be a cloudy day, a hot humid day, you know, so this is just the day that I picked them. I left them in the kitchen for a little bit and I decided to pick one up and test it. So that was good.13m 32sJackieMarie And then also Patti was saying, you should test the leaf itself too.,13m 36sAileen Catrone That's what I want to try next. I'll try that next.13m 39sJackieMarie And you mix it up in the garlic press. I remember the first time we were doing a carrot when we first got it in the mail and we're like, how the heck do we squish the carrot? Like we were able to do the tomato, but we were having a really hard time with the carrot. And that was, I didn't know, you put it like in the garlic press, but also I think it's the leaves more than the actual vegetable or fruit itself.Aileen Catrone For the harder ones.I got to do some research on that. Yeah.14m 7sAileen Catrone We'll email Patti text her it would be so much easier to get that answered. Yeah.14m 18sJackieMarie Awesome. Well, thank you so much for sharing all your amazing stuff and just like, I love seeing your posts on Facebook and in the Facebook group and just everything that you're growing this year and sharing the audience this week. And I think you're going to inspire people.Trowel and Error: Over 700 Organic Remedies, Shortcuts, and Tips for the GardenerAnd 14m 35sAileen Catrone So Jackie, I love the, your, your show recently that you've heard, I Sharon LoveJoy, all that was awesome. I learned a lot in, I ordered her book, Trowel and Error. I just can't wait to get it.Trowel and Error: Over 700 Organic Remedies, Shortcuts, and Tips for the Gardener14m 48sJackieMarie She's so amazing. Her, her and her husband were such a sweet couple and she's been doing this for a long time.14m 56sAileen Catrone Yeah. And the one tip that she said was something about having like a fruit tree or something in the middle of your garden bed and then plant out ~ like underneath it, that was pretty smart, you know, to kind of get like a food forest going, you know? So I was really, really intently listening. So I'm thrilled throughout all. So going to try that thing in the future15m 22sJackieMarie Definitely, the more fruit tree, like I've been feeling like one of my big lessons I learned in the summer is like the more shade trees you have, the nicer, your lawn will stay greener under those trees, whether they're fruit trees or pine trees or leaf trees or flower trees, just more trees. Like I've been really noticing a big difference in people's lawns.15m 45sAileen Catrone Oh, that's good. That's good. And to keep listening, keep having those amazing. Yes. Thank you. No problem till we meet again.15m 58sJackieMarie Okay. Thank you. Bye bye. Do you know someone who would benefit from the organic Gardner podcast? If you like, what you hear? We'd love it. If you chaired the organic gardener podcast with a friend. 16m 10s0 Thanks again for listening. Nope.This podcast uses the following third-party...

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    Soil Sista Saturday Episode #1 | Co-host Golden Listener Aileen Catrone | Jul 26, 2021
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    Golden Listener of 2020 Aileen Catrone co-hosts with me as we share what's growing, our biggest challenge of the week and what we're cooking on this new bonus episode.

    My new co-host and GFF (garden friend forever) Aileen Catrone and I started a new bonus post for the summer called Soil Sista Saturday (to be posted on Friendship Fridays). Anyway. I talked about this recipe I made from the Drew Barrymore Show.

    I love this arugula bed outside my kitchen door. And you can't even hardly tell what I harvested.

    I also talked about this delicious salad I made from a blog post I saw. I'm not usually a fan of cooking shows but this one caught my eye. This recipe for salad dressing and yummy salad was too good to stop watching. I would never think of putting basil and spinach in my dressing like that. Also where do I get a knife like that? I love this chef too what a great way she explains how to do everything!

    https://www.wellandgood.com/corn-salad-recipe/


    And it was a great way to use some of my fresh basil growing in my windowsill! I ended up with a pint of salad dressing that I've been enjoying all week! So good.

    Aileen shared her challenges with growing tomatoes and a delicious recipe her husband has been making with tomatoes and eggplants.

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    Get Jesse's New Book Released this week The Living Soil Handbook from the No Till Market Garden Podcast Jul 24, 2021
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    Bonus Episode Interview #387 with Dalas from Sundae Realty | San Diego, CA Jul 14, 2021
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    Dalas Dodd, Head of Interior DesignDalas Dodd is an interior design expert and content producer. She specializes in redesigning and restoring dated and damaged houses, with an emphasis on preserving the original character and charm of each home. Dalas is a producer and on-camera host, and is actively developing a slate of Sundae-branded content franchises.Dalas Dodd the Interior Design Team LeadFollow Sundae on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/p/CIqvSmahlbb/Hey, Green Future Growers. Welcome to Season 3. I'm your host Jackie Murray buyJackieMarie Beye. If you're new to the show, I hope you'll subscribe on iTunes for free or follow on your favorite podcast app and let's get growing. Hey, this is JackieMarie Beyer your host here to help inspire you on your journey to create, grow, and enjoy a green, organic oasis. So let's get growing. Welcome to the green organic garden podcast. It is Friday, April 9th. It is a beautiful sunny day here in Montana although it was pretty chilly this morning.51sJackieMarieI have a guest on the line who I think is down in warm sunny, San Diego. So we're going to talk about some things you can do for your home from a real estate perspective, because that is a hot topic, I know all across our country today. So here from Sundae is Dalas Dod. So welcome to the show, Dalas, how exciting.1m 20sDalasYeah. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really excited to be here. Am I right about that? Are you in San Diego? We're kind of all over the place. We have properties down in San Diego, but I, myself am actually based in LA.1m 35sJackieMarieOkay, well go ahead and tell us a little bit about Sundae and the advantages of selling a home off market and how Sundae ensures customers get the highest price for their home now off market. That's not what we're seeing in Montana right now, right? Like this market is, is that a buyer's market? Because here we are the sellers market. I mean, most houses are not listed for like two days and you have cash in hand unless you are like pricing your place out of, you know, I mean, just the prices are insane from our perspective, my husband and I, he was showing me this place.2m 22sJackieMarieHe's like that can't possibly be right. Can it, but probably people are leaving California and coming here.2m 30sDalasHmm, no, the, the market right now is absolutely insane. And what Sundae is able to offer is we're a marketplace that connects homeowners of distressed homes with hundreds of local investors, so that homeowners can really get the best price possible. So Sundae will come in, take care of everything. And if you're a homeowner that's looking to sell as is, we'll meet with you on your schedule, put together a complete package to present to our investors, and then they bid and compete to give you the best offer for your home. You don't have to deal with showings.3m 10sDalasPeople tramping through your home. There are absolutely no fees to sell through Sundae, and we can even give homeowners a $10,000 cash advance upfront to help with any immediate needs, such as moving, relocating. As you said, a lot of people are moving out of state to Montana. So that's something that we can offer. And on average, our homeowners, when they sell on our marketplace, they get 10 to 12 offers, which is incredible. And they're really getting, getting the best price for their home without having to sell the traditional route.3m 46sJackieMarieWell, I'm just going to back up a tiny bit. So one of the things that actually got me to say yes to this interview was I went on your Instagram and one thing like I've been getting tons of like, can we be a guest? And can we be guests like emails this spring? And one of the reasons I said yes was because I loved your Instagram feed and the people who work for you seemed so authentic. And just, it seemed like a real company. Like if I go to a website and somebody asked to be on my show, and there's not a picture of a human anywhere, that's like an automatic no right there. And so I really was able to relate to some of the things that I saw, some of the flips that I saw, some of the groundwork that, you know, the yard work that was being done.4m 36sJackieMarieI love that fact that you don't have to have people coming in and out of your home and like being set up to sell all the time that you guys took care of all that, that you mentioned. So I just wanted listeners to kind of know a little bit about how, how we got here. I think this is an important topic for people right now. One thing people are always surprised about where I live in Montana. And a question I get a lot is about the high speed internet, which we do have super reliable, super fast high-speed internet here, where I live. I know other parts of Montana are not so great.5m 17sJackieMarieI know also like if people are interested in cell service, my side of the highway just happens to have, I tell people, call me on my home phone because it can cut out a lot and cell phone service, but like just on the other side of the highway, there's no cell phone service at all. So there's all sorts of things to look at when you're selling your home. But let's talk more about the advantages of Sundae, what your role at Sundae is maybe some of the advantages of making a home greener and more sustainable.5m 52sDalasYeah. Yeah. I'm going to actually like back up and introduce myself a little bit more. Yeah. So like we said before, my name's Dalas Dodd and currently I'm the Interior Design Team Lead at Sundae. And I have over six years of experiencing experience designing and remodeling distressed homes where we've always placed a focus, not only on the design, but the sustainability as well. I mentioned the marketplace earlier, but we also at Sundae have a property investment arm where sometimes we buy the houses in the marketplace so that we can renovate and restore the house ourselves.6m 38sDalasWhen we do this, we always really place a focus on the highest level of quality for these flips and then adding value towards the community, by restoring these homes and honoring their local architecture, as well as making sure that the remodel is sustainable for future homeowners. And I mean, there are so many ways that you can make your home more sustainable. And trust me, there's many ways that aren't that complex or expensive, but of course the biggest advantage to making your house more sustainable is the environment, the environmental impact. And then the second of course, is the impact on your wallet or your monthly bills.7m 20sDalasShould we talk about some ways that we can, that you can make your home in?7m 23sJackieMarieI would love that because as a side note, we switched from direct dish network to Direct TV and I finally have access to HGTV and I am like hooked on Farmer Fixer Upper. And like, I couldn't believe it. I'm like where's Fixer Upper? Like I, one of the reasons I wanted it was Chip and Joanna and I don't get them, but there are all these other shows that I'm like, wow, I've just like, I love watching those shows. So yeah, let's hear some awesome sustainable tips.7m 54sDalasOh my gosh, we hope to have a show someday. That's definitely vision down the road for us, but one of the most common ways to make your home more sustainable actually has to do with your plumbing. So installing low flow plumbing fixtures is one of the best things that you can do. We do this all the time for our sustainable remodels, even in markets that aren't as heavily regulated as we are here in California. So I'm not sure what the regulations are in Montana, but installing low flow fixtures, they're specifically designed to limit water waste, which is what we're all striving to do.8m 36sDalasThe average low-flow fixture actually releases around half the gallons per minute than a standard fixture. So over time that's a massive impact, not only on the planet, but on our water bills.8m 48sJackieMarieAnd water is so important. I just watched this documentary yesterday called Tomorrow that just talked about water. And who else was it was talking about, you know, reusing gray water. Like, do we really need to flush our toilet with like, why can't we reuse the shower water or something to like, there were like all these options for like saving water, but low flow would be like, what did you just want? Like quickly, like explain what is a low flow plumbing. What's an example of that. Is that using a toilet that uses less water or something, or like a shower that like has a smaller amount of water coming out when you brush your teeth?9m 34sJackieMarieOr I don't even know what a low water fixture is actually.9m 39sDalasNo. Yeah. So a low-flow fixture just essentially has like slightly less water pressure, but still is acting as effectively as a typical faucet or fixture would. And then for a toilet, a lot of times you'll see, like the flush just goes on end, whereas a love flow toilet uses less gallons per flush and in order to achieve the same goal. So you're definitely not compromising on the effectiveness of the fixtures, but you are conserving water at the same time.10m 23sJackieMarieAnd it's true. It's so important how much water we save and we use because clean water is going to be the next, like, you know, that's where we're struggling on our planet. You know, we're polluting our waters and it gets into the ocean and then it gets picked up into the rain and the clouds, and then just cycles back if you know the water cycle. And so anywhere we can save clean water. And I liked the way that you talked about like, thinking about your home in the future and not just the now that it's an investment in your home value. Okay. What's the next one?11m 4sDalasYeah. Yeah. The other one is installing energy star appliances, as well as smart thermostats. By installing the energy star appliances those use a lot less energy, which allows homeowners to actually get yearly rebates for these more efficient appliances. And then using smart thermostats, you can hook them up to your cell phone and allow you to control the temp or turn off those systems from wherever you might be. So if you forget to turn off the AC, when you leave the house, you can really quickly just pull up your cell phone and turn it off. And that really helps with the energy savings.11m 48sJackieMarieAnd on the flip side, it can probably turn it on. So when you get home, your house is cool for you.11m 54sDalasYeah. Exactly it goes both ways.11m 58sJackieMarieAnd then same with heating. If you're where I am, maybe I don't know. Yeah.12m 6sDalasYeah. And investing in these things now will only increase your property value when you decide to go sell, if you do.12m 15sJackieMarieAnd it's also like that commercial where the husband, the doctor's going to the night shift and he like makes sure that the lights are on for his wife when she comes home. So she's entering a safe home and like, it's not just air conditioning. It's like any kind of electrical appliance, right? Yeah. And just like12m 36sDalasAny, yeah. There's so many smart electrical appliances nowadays. Yeah. Not just, not just thermostats that we can tap into our, homes.12m 51sJackieMarieAnd I think it's important what you said at the beginning about getting 10 to 12 offers on people's homes so that they have a shot too. Because if you are moving to Montana, you are going to want to get the best price for your home because, and I know what did I listen to the other day that they were saying actually the most people are moving to like Michigan, Vermont. And there were some other state, like the most people are not actually moving to Montana, which is surprising, but not, there's not a lot of jobs here. If you don't have a job, this is not the place. Like, I'm always like surprised. There's show many women. I meet here who here who hate it. And they're like, oh, I came because of my husband, yada, yada, yada.13m 32sJackieMarieAnd then they're like, if they ended up, you know, getting a divorce, or their kids are grown up and they're still here or whatever. I'm like, why are you here in this place? You hate the cold. This is the hardest place to make a living of like anywhere I've ever been. Like, there's so many, if you don't love camping and being outdoors. And like, I feel like our quality of life, like the picture view, you get to see like doubles your income at any job that you get here. Because even if you do find a job, it's probably going to, you know, the wages are gonna be super low. Like even I taught it on a reservation where we had the second highest wages for a teacher in the state, and we still had the going joke.14m 21sJackieMarie"We have to shop at Walmart because we can't afford to shop at Target." Like just still like low wages. Like this is a very hard state to, it's definitely changing. And, you know, you can see already competition for the summer as the state opens. Anyway, we're here to talk about Sundae. So, and I do want to just tell everybody it's S U N D A E kind of like an ice cream sundae and okay. What was the next thing? I love that you're the interior design lead. What other things should we talk about to reduce our footprint and make our home more valuable from a sustainable point of view?15m 5sDalasYeah, of course. The last thing that I'll add just says since given the times where, and we're spending so much time at home, I think it's especially critical for us to turn off any electrical products that aren't currently in use. I mean, we, like, we no longer have the excuse. Oh, I was running out the door on my way to work and forgot to unplug the toaster. And since so many of us are working from home and inevitably using more energy, it's really important to turn off anything that we aren't using to offset those costs.15m 40sJackieMarieSurprise. What did I see? Was it in that thing, like how much your phone uses, like being plugged in, which I am super guilty about because I, my big thing is I want my phone to have a hundred percent charge. I don't know if it's like my battery's dying or like during the winter, the charger died, I want, I like when I'm home, it's pretty much sitting on the charger because if I go for a walk, I wanted to have a hundred percent charged, so it doesn't die on me on my walk. I want to make sure my podcast is going to play that my, you know, Runkeeper app still going to work.16m 22sJackieMarieSo like, my mom's always complaining. She's like, I can't believe I have to charge my phone every night. And I'm like, man, my phone just sits on the charger, but I was really surprised to see how much juice. It said appliances use when you're not using them.16m 39sDalasYeah. I mean, the phone, the phone is, the phone is essential. I'll give you that one, but you can definitely unplug your coffee maker when you're not using it or, or just other small appliances like that, that are just sucking energy without being of any use in the moment17m 1sJackieMarieThey, you know, and part of it probably is cause we're home because of the two that we have is like, we find we're constantly turning our coffee makers back on because they have that automatic two hour shut off and our coffee pots keep getting cold cause we're home. And then the other one I used to always like charge my phone in my car. Like I never hardly ever had to put it on the thing at home, but because I'm not driving anywhere anymore ca…

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    Finding What Works For You | Getting Baked | Garden Author and Medicinal Herb Expert | Barb Webb | Shepherdsville, KY | Part 2 Jul 05, 2021
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    My website isruralmom.com. It's RURALmom.com. And on there you'll find me talking about a number of different things. I work in many arenas, but for the most part it's it's about gardening things we can do to be more sustainable, you know, gift ideas. A lot of things, my goal with that website was to enhance people's lives in terms of finding quality things and quality activities that could help people who are living out in the country and suburban areas.

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    BARB: But I happen to love that. I do love going down the rabbit hole of research. I love exploring and finding out as much as I can about a particular topic. That just happens to be a really hardcore website if you're looking for scientific information. So it is one of my favorites to head towards when I'm looking for something.

    JackieMarie: So there's the US National Library of Medicine, the national Institute of health, which is www.mlmdnih.gov? And then, then there's also the NCBI.NLM.NIH.gov So it must be like part of their website, the national center for biotechnology information is part of the National Library of Medicine, national Institute.

    BARB: Yes, I believe so. I guess, but the US National Library of Medicine.

    JackieMarie: Do you have a book to recommend?

    BARB: One of the books that I think early on, I used what's the, I'm trying to look up the exact name. It's a huge book. And it's like the homestead encyclopedia or something, or is it the The Encyclopedia of Country Living

    I might be it, is it the encyclopedia of country living? I think everybody should own this book, especially if you're just starting out.

    JackieMarie: It's cool. I don't have that one. And I don't know that one.

    BARB: Then its 50th year. I believe it is an amazing resource. It was for me early on. I would say I don't go to it now very much, but in the beginning, like if you think my book is chock-full of stuff, that is something that should be on everybody's shelf, especially if you're just starting out or maybe even if you're mad, if you're an expert already, I don't know if they'll gain as much from it, but it's called The Encyclopedia of Country Living and I believe it's yeah, I've just pulled up the 50th anniversary edition, the original manuals for living off the land and doing it yourself by Carla Emery.

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    And it is gold. If you are looking to do anything from raising chickens, pigs, beekeeping, baking, gardening, preserving, like everything is in there, everything that was done in not only. So it's not only like what was done is it's really realistically, like if you lived in the pioneer days, absolutely everything you would need to know to live off the land is in the spot.

    So there's things you wouldn't even think of or necessarily do, but we can do. So it's really cool. Like you make your own cheese and spinning wool and all kinds of crazy stuff. That's really cool. And, and we're moving back to now, you know, how do you, if you want to be completely 100% sustainable, this buck, I'll tell you how to do it and get you a little acre of land and go start a town. But if you just even, you know, just as a reference for gardening, there's so much in there that I learned from initially.

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    Finding What Works For You | Getting Baked | Garden Author and Medicinal Herb Expert | Barb Webb | Shepherdsville, KY | Part 1 Jul 05, 2021
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    Getting Baked- Everything You Need to Know about Hemp, CBD, and Medicinal Gardening

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    My website isruralmom.com. It's RURALmom.com. And on there you'll find me talking about a number of different things. I work in many arenas, but for the most part it's it's about gardening things we can do to be more sustainable, you know, gift ideas. A lot of things, my goal with that website was to enhance people's lives in terms of finding quality things and quality activities that could help people who are living out in the country and suburban areas.

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    BARB: But I happen to love that. I do love going down the rabbit hole of research. I love exploring and finding out as much as I can about a particular topic. That just happens to be a really hardcore website if you're looking for scientific information. So it is one of my favorites to head towards when I'm looking for something.


    JackieMarie: So there's the US National Library of Medicine, the national Institute of health, which is www.mlmdnih.gov? And then, then there's also the NCBI.NLM.NIH.gov So it must be like part of their website, the national center for biotechnology information is part of the National Library of Medicine, national Institute.

    BARB: Yes, I believe so. I guess, but the US National Library of Medicine.

    JackieMarie: Do you have a book to recommend?

    BARB: One of the books that I think early on, I used what's the, I'm trying to look up the exact name. It's a huge book. And it's like the homestead encyclopedia or something, or is it the The Encyclopedia of Country Living

    I might be it, is it the encyclopedia of country living? I think everybody should own this book, especially if you're just starting out.

    JackieMarie: It's cool. I don't have that one. And I don't know that one.

    BARB: Then its 50th year. I believe it is an amazing resource. It was for me early on. I would say I don't go to it now very much, but in the beginning, like if you think my book is chock-full of stuff, that is something that should be on everybody's shelf, especially if you're just starting out or maybe even if you're mad, if you're an expert already, I don't know if they'll gain as much from it, but it's called The Encyclopedia of Country Living and I believe it's yeah, I've just pulled up the 50th anniversary edition, the original manuals for living off the land and doing it yourself by Carla Emery.

    Encyclopedia of Country Living, 50th Anniversary Edition- The Original Manual for Living off the Land & Doing It Yourself

    The Encyclopedia of Country Living, 50th Anniversary Edition: The Original Manual for Living off the Land & Doing It Yourself


    And it is gold. If you are looking to do anything from raising chickens, pigs, beekeeping, baking, gardening, preserving, like everything is in there, everything that was done in not only. So it's not only like what was done is it's really realistically, like if you lived in the pioneer days, absolutely everything you would need to know to live off the land is in the spot.


    So there's things you wouldn't even think of or necessarily do, but we can do. So it's really cool. Like you make your own cheese and spinning wool and all kinds of crazy stuff. That's really cool. And, and we're moving back to now, you know, how do you, if you want to be completely 100% sustainable, this buck, I'll tell you how to do it and get you a little acre of land and go start a town. But if you just even, you know, just as a reference for gardening, there's so much in there that I learned from initially.

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    Recipes and Techniques for Edible Plants from Garden, Field, and Forest | Forager Chef Alan Bergo | Wisconsin Jul 04, 2021
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    Fourth of July 2021 Garden Update | Farming While Black | Stay Safe and Enjoy Summer Jul 02, 2021
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    The audio version of this post starts out raving about three great reads from Chelsea Green Publishing including my favorite read of 2021 so far Leah Penniman’s amazing memoir about Soul Fire Farm which combines African American history - the real story with farm techniques every gardener and market farmer should know as well as some religion/spiritual stories, songs to sing, advice on education and working with students and sooo much more! Just love this book so much!https://videopress.com/v/g98ma2L8?preloadContent=metadataThen there’s Jesse Frosts book coming out July 20th and Alan Bergo’s boom out now! Lots of amazing reads from my favorite publisher (now that Rodale’s is gone they moved from 2nd to number 1)Then I talk about what’s needed in the garden this summer and all the lessons I’ve learned with this landscaping job I took on. The amazing thing with this job is how confident I am with exactly what this person should be doing but I have lived in Montana for a long time now and I definitely know the new homeowner learning curve!Especially from a gardeners perspective! Start small! This year I’ve probably killed almost as many plants as I’ve grown!I’m still eating on this arugula from springMike picked these yummy radishes yesterdayThe mini farm growing strongMy zinnias snapdragons and marigolds container garden 🪴See my arugula growing strong it liked the greenhouse finally had to move it cause it’s just too hot in thereListen here to the audio version read the computer generated unedited transcript below:Speaker 1 (0s): Hey, green future growers. Welcome to season three. I'm your host Jackie Murray buyer. If you're new to the show, I hope you'll subscribe on iTunes for free or follow on your favorite podcast app and let's get, Hey everyone. This is a January buyer, your host here to help inspire you on your journey to create, grow, and enjoy a green, organic Oasis. So let's get growing. Hey listeners. It is me live on the mic. Jackie Murray buyer. It's technically Tuesday, June 29th, 2021. I just got off the mic with Alan Burgo, who wrote foragers chefs, book of flora, recipes and techniques for edible plants from garden field and forest. He was so eloquent and just, I hope I did him justice. So I have three Chelsea green publishing books to talk about today. So there's Alan's book. That's just amazing. Jessie frost books coming out July 20th. So you probably will hear some replace a interviews. And then I've also been reading Leah Penniman farming while black, which is gotta be one of my favorite books that I have read in 2021. She just like cheeks, the whole, she's got black history in there that it's like a must read for every student teacher, just like so many things the way she puts it all together. She's got inspiration for when you're in your garden. She talks about her education center. She talks about like, everything you need to know on how to grow a tomato from start plant a curate, like what your soils should look like, like how far they should be spaced out what tools you're going to need, how to deal with interns. Like anything you possibly want to know about gardening farming. If you're a market farmer, you've got to get her book, just support her. I'm. So in love with, I wish I would've got farming while black, when I first interviewed her, I had no idea somebody recently recommended it and I bought it and I was just, it just is amazing. Especially like I did this whole, I spent a lot of the pandemic reading books about, you know, like black lives matter and black history and just different people of color authors. You know, one of my favorites was when they, you a terrorist by Patrice colors, I think is her name one of the founders of the Buckeyes movement. I guess there's also the movement for black lives, which is a little bit different. But if you're interested in social justice, I can't wait to release my interview. I did with Kat who's down in Arizona, I think, or New Mexico who talks about being a Wolfer. And, but she's working on like a social justice program for helping three, you know, systematic prison to pipeline moving. Especially I'm having a personal thing with one of my students from years ago, right now who just recently was sent to prison. I'm just heartbroken over it and spoke with his mom. And of course it's mental health issues. And there's that whole piece, like we just need more compassion. We need way more mental health in our country. And one of the great ways to do that is, you know, helping and Leah pediment talks about that. They have a program where they were able to get prisoners to come do 50 hours on their farm and take some classes and learn. So not only are they gaining a skill because they're learning how to be gardeners, but they're also able to, you know, get out of that. And that's another thing like even when I just read Kamala Harris's book, which I wish I would have read before the election she talks about. And I think I've mentioned this few times being a compassionate prosecutor and also in the, when they call you a terrorist book by Patrice people who get out of prison and the how hard it is to then get a job and how hard it is to make a living after you've been released to prison, not to mention how many people have been picked up and put in prison for, you know, our crazy cannabis laws that were, you know, created by the what's his name that owned the forest and wanted to sell the newspapers and wanting to cut down the trees and didn't want him to grow for paper. I mean, it's just crazy our history in the United States. And so when you're celebrating your 4th of July, like I didn't, I wanted to see something on June 10th with the new June 19th holiday. And so I'm just kind of trying to tie it all together today with these three, but, and then Jesse frosh and another, the great market farm, but the no tell movement, his book is coming out July 20th. So anyway, for the 4th of July, I hope that you will be, you know, just appreciating our freedoms that we have and your time in the garden and what you can do to, you know, cure for our planet. Like, that's what I love. I've been writing birthday cards to a lot of my guests this year. I always wanted to send them a thank you note. And I just thought, there's no way I can afford that. It would be so expensive to buy the stamp and print the cards and everything. But this year by, by doing the birthday card thing, it's just been like, you know, a few cards each month. And, and just getting to like, think about my guest and send them a little personal message has been, I don't know, just a, just an interesting way to end this pandemic year and kind of, I always used to be really big on birthdays and then I, I kind of got away from it. And so it's really nice to get back into that. I don't know where I'm going and sending them a piece of our garden. Usually like I'm sending everybody a painting from Michael Mike's garden. That was the other thing I wanted to talk to you about how much time I've spent in the garden this year. Like, because of the pit. I don't know when I was in New York, visiting my mom and hanging out with, I mean, from you leave strong the golden mustard of the year. Cause even after we went to visit her, we were like texting and calling each other. And just, it seems like our friendship has really blossomed since I got to see her garden. And I learned so much from her even like on Facebook, I'm constantly learning from her. And then my own piece, I got this landscaping job when I came back. And so I've been like helping this woman who built this new house, she wants to plant a greenhouse and she's got like her whole landscape, like the house, like it's just totally torn up. And it's so weird because like, I have never felt so confident that I know exactly what she should do, but of course, you know, I've lived in Montana for 27 years. I know how hard it is to build a house and start from scratch. You know, we were six years without running water. And then even when we put our first well in it, wasn't, you know, we certainly couldn't garden and we can barely keep like one bed growing. Now, even with the second while biking are still like, it's just constant under monitoring. Are you watering? Like we're yelling from one part to the other. Mike takes care of the mini farm and his hoophouses. And then I'm kind of trying to handle like the orchard and the beds around the garden, but I've grown more this year. So my goal this year, if you remember, was to grow more marigolds, India snapdragons and some flowers, which I kind of bombed on the sunflowers, but Mike picked that up, but I did get more than he is and snapdragons. And so if you are listening and it's July 1st and you haven't planted anything or you're struggling to still get that garden going, I really to encourage you to check out two books, these other two books, Melissa Norris is, you know, the Philly garden plan where she talks about pick one thing. What's one thing that you can grow tomatoes or, you know, lettuce or just curates or like what's one. Oh, and that was the other thing this year on YouTube live, there was this woman and she just the smile on her face when she's like my carriage sprouted, my carriage, probably like the only thing she grew this year was curious and that they sprouted and they're coming up to see her excitement was so, so Joel overwhelm yourself. If you're just starting out, don't think you're going to grow an entire homestead this year. Just pick one thing. It's not too late to plant a seed. Another thing I've heard from listeners is their struggle with herbs. They tried to go in urban. They couldn't, well, I've killed more plants as many plants this year as I've grown. I'm just still like, but I also like my rugala that I planted the beginning of March in these just two pots that have been down in my little greenhouse. I just brought them into the house house the other day. They're not outside all the ones I transplanted outside bolted. They're just gone to see the bees growing the flowers. I'm going to keep the seed. So I don't have to spend so much on a regular seed next year, but I just took a tub literally last week and put a new set of a rugal as seeds in it because they keep thinking these two pots are can't possibly keep going, but I'm surprised. Like I just pick a very small bouquet of root. Rugelach like every two to three days out of these pots, they're still growing. And when I say pod, so they were probably 10 inches in diameter, maybe 10 inches tall that Mike planted for me back in March, one of them, I took half of it and planted out in the garden. And like I said, it bolted, but the rest of it is just filled in. And these two pots have kept me going with plenty of a Ruger left from my salads for my sandwiches. And so the other day, Mike and I went down and picked the spinach. The spinach was just about to bolt. Then he is the spinach in the mini farm where I generally do not like to go because I don't want to pick anything that's down in the ground. I want raised beds. I want something I can sit on the edge of. I can't stand like the dirt in my shoes, walking in between his rows. Like even though he's got lots of mulch down, I just feel like my feet gets super dirty in there. You know, some of his things haven't grown enough. So there's still dirt while he's waiting to mulch. I'm like the cucumbers are just barely like, you know, there's just too loose popping out of the ground. So just think, I can't believe how much has mini farm has grown. Now that being said, like the peas, I feel like, like, I'll go out the driveway. And by the time I come back in the driveway, after going to town, they're like three inches taller. Like things are growing like crazy in Montana. We've had three days of a hundred degree sheet or we're in the middle of like a week of a hundred degree heat. It's just, it is all about staying cool watering super early. He's been out there like just at the break of Dawn five o'clock in the morning watering for hours. And then this week, oh, today he finally brought in the radishes the purple way and red radishes that are so good. And Megan came taught me a couple of years ago that you can actually slice radishes and saute them, which I never knew you could do. I always thought radishes, you just ate raw. So eating sauteed radishes, the spinach has just been amazing. The other day I made, what did I do? I fried two eggs. Oh, this is my other secret. Or that coconut, or like, I've never been a big fan of coconut oil or is that what it is? Coconut oil, whatever, that white thing that you buy the jar of. But I keep mine in my fridge. I know Dacey keeps hers on her counter. Maybe you can keep it on the counter, but like you only need that. Tiny is barely a little bit like cook. It seems way more expensive than olive oil, but actually, because you only need like the tiniest little bit of coconut oil to cook eggs. And unlike if you want something fried really crispy, I feel like crisp things up better. Just like I am. So in love with coconut oil, like a grilled cheese made with coconut oil, instead of, you know, butter Jemele burns it like olive oil kind of gives it a funky taste, avocado oil, super expensive. Coconut oil is so much in many ways it's more affordable because you only need the tiniest little bed. I just can't believe. I wish I would've known that secret. So I've been cooking things in more coconut oil. The spinach has just been incredible. When I was talking to Alan, I was telling him if I have to pick the spinach, I'm not leaving this or act that just comes up all over the wild spinach. And he works. The leaves are like three times as big. They are judged just as sweet. They almost have like a sweet, peppery flavor mixes right in with my spinach. So good. Lamb's quarters. Another one that grows wild around here that you can make sure I do them with your spinach. So I blanched some of it, but the rest of it, I've just been like eating like crazy, like, so we've had a huge, much bigger spinach harvest than we ever have, which I'm surprised. Mike's like you bought these spinach seeds. I'm like, I don't remember buying spinach because usually I just grow beet greens and then switched to Swiss chard when it comes up, let's see my kale beds. So I finally followed Lisa Ziegler's cover the kill with the Agra bond, which I'm kind of frustrated with because you gotta take the Agra bond off to water. But Mike did help me get, get a kind of set up in a way that it's not as hard to move as it has been. In other years, I put brand new, fresh Agra bond that he scored. These people like were like, come get these boards. And they gave him like some free Agra bond, never been opened, some weed barrier. She just scored like a whole bunch of really cool stuff. Some planters from these people that were moving and they were just like, you can have all this other stuff. So I got fresh Agra bought. So my tip for Agra bond is by a garbage can because like we never really had anywhere to store before. And the other, the old stuff that I bought years ago, it did last longer than I thought it would. It held up better. But in some places it's re more because like when we weren't using it, it, it just didn't get put away. So I got the fresh Agra bond out this y…

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