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    Good Faith

    Join host Curtis Chang and his friends as they follow Jesus and make sense of the world. With expertise, thoughtfulness, and humor, they discuss how Christian faith intersects with culture, politics, work, entertainment, and other aspects of life. Good Faith is produced by Redeeming Babel. Good Faith is ranked in the top .5 percent of all podcasts.

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    When Protestant Curiosity Meets Catholic Wisdom with Pete Wehner Jul 16, 2026
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    What can Protestants learn from the Catholic tradition?

    Host Curtis Chang and The Atlantic writer and former White House staffer Pete Wehner explore how Catholic social teaching—from subsidiarity and solidarity to the preferential option for the poor—offers a rich framework for Christian public life. They consider the limits of sola scriptura, unpack the importance of intellectual rigor, and define Christian humanism. Curtis and Pete also contrast the public faith of Pope Leo XIV and Vice President JD Vance, asking why faithful Christian witness should shape how believers respond to artificial intelligence and other challenges of our time.

    02:31 - Does Catholic Theology Meet a Protestant Need?

    04:41 - Tradition Is Powerful

    08:43 - Does Sola Scriptura Have Limits?

    10:19 - Protestant Traditions and Discernment

    13:54 - Catholicism's Robust Frameworks

    17:08 - Reclaiming Tradition for Protestants

    21:36 - Embracing the Life of the Mind

    27:22 - Christian Humanism fand 21st Century Questions

    30:08 - A Protestant-Catholic Convergence

    37:42 - Comparing Visions: JD Vance and Pope Leo

    41:16 - The Power of a Faithful Witness

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    Referenced in the Episode:

    • Pete Wehner's article American Christians Face a Choice
    • Learn about the seven themes of Catholic social teaching
    • Carl F. H. Henry's The Uneasy Conscience of Modern Fundamentalism
    • Alan Jacobs's The Year of Our Lord 1943: Christian Humanism in an Age of Crisis
    • Christian Wiman's My Bright Abyss
    • John F. Kennedy's 1960 address to Protestant ministers in Houston (video)
    • Pope Leo XIV's encyclical on artificial intelligence, Magnifica Humanitas
    • Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on capital and labor, Rerum Novarum
    • Daniel K. Williams on J.D. Vances' Communion What Type of Christian is J. D. Vance?
    • Miroslav Volf on Forgiveness, Justice, and Reconciliation (video)
    • Miroslav Volf & Christian Wiman's Glimmerings

    Scriptures Referenced:

    • Psalm 127:3–5 (ESV)
    • Acts 2:42–47 (ESV)
    • Luke 4:1–13 (ESV)

    More from Pete Wehner:

    • Pete Wehner's articles at The Atlantic
    • Pete Wehner's opinion pieces at The New York Times

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    Christopher Nolan's Odyssey: What If the Hero Is Lying? with Jessica Hooten Wilson Jul 09, 2026
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    The Odyssey Isn't About Monsters. It's About Trust.

    Before Christopher Nolan brings The Odyssey to the big screen, Curtis Chang and Jessica Hooten Wilson revisit Homer's ancient epic to ask what the story is really about: monsters, homecoming, and the search for truth among intentional lies. They explore why reading The Odyssey still matters in the age of film and AI, how Odysseus forces us to ask who we can trust, and what Christians can learn from Greek myths and pagan gods about the one true God revealed in Scripture.

    03:53 - Reading the Homer vs. Watching Matt Damon

    05:38 - When to Read the Book First?

    11:06 - How "The Odyssey" Changes with the Reader

    13:32 - Did A Woman Really Write The Odyssey?

    16:50 - What Is The Unreliable Narrator?

    23:23 - The Psychological Impact of an Unreliable Narrator

    31:27 - A Christian Approach to Greek Mythology

    34:37 - Understanding The Greco-Roman Culture of Jesus

    41:36 - The Irreplaceable Human Elements of Teaching Literature in the Age of AI

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    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • Homer's The Odyssey (Stanley Lombardo's translation)
    • Homer's The Iliad
    • Nadya Williams's Christians Reading the Classics
    • Yann Martel's Son of Nobody
    • Yann Martel's Life of Pi
    • Edith Hamilton's Mythology: Timeless Tales of Gods and Heroes
    • Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology
    • Natalie Haynes's Pandora's Jar: Women in the Greek Myths
    • Christopher Nolan's Memento (trailer)
    • David Fincher's Fight Club (trailer)
    • An Introduction to 1 and 2 Samuel (The story of King David)

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    David French & Russell Moore: America at 250 - When Founding Fathers Meet Modern Faith Jul 02, 2026
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    What Does America's 250th Birthday Mean for Its Future and Our Faith?

    To celebrate America's 250th birthday, Curtis Chang is joined by his The After Party partners David French and Russell Moore to ask how Christians should think about patriotism, democracy, and national identity in a divisive age. Comparing the optimism of the 1976 Bicentennial with today's fractured political climate, they explore America's founding ideals, the promises and failures of liberty and equality, the relationship between Christianity and the American experiment, and the dangers of Christian nationalism. Together, they answer listener questions and offer a vision for faithful civic engagement — one marked by gratitude without idolatry, honesty without despair, and allegiance to Christ above every nation.

    00:34 - Introduction to America's 250th Birthday

    02:07 - Comparing the 250th with the Bicentennial

    09:18 - America's Gifts to the World

    16:16 - Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?

    25:13 - The Pull of Christian Nationalism

    29:29 - Project 2025 & What True American Renewal Requires

    36:07 - A Bottom Up Christian Influence on Government

    40:30 - Politics is Downstream from Culture

    45:14 - Guidance for Pastors on the 250th

    48:24 - America's Historical Role in the World

    52:22 - Defining Christian Patriotism

    58:03 - A Closing Prayer For Our Country

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    • Good Faith 199 – David French asks: What the Heck Is a Christian Nationalist?
    • Good Faith 181 – Can the Church Resist Political Extremism Again? With Paul D. Miller
    • Good Faith 36 – The Religion of American Greatness
    • Good Faith 207 – N.T. Wright Explains Ephesians: The Church, Christian Nationalism, and the Armor of God

    Referenced in the Episode:

    • Remembering the American Bicentennial Celebration
    • Remembering Operation Sail
    • Remembering the Miracle on Ice
    • Article: Christian Nationalism's Dark Forebears by David French
    • Ben Rhodes' All We Say: The Battle for American Identity: A History in 15 Speeches
    • Jon Meacham's American Lion: Andrew Jackson in the White House
    • Legal Philosophy and the Founding Fathers
    • James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments
    • Who was the minister, Roger Williams?
    • John Locke's influence and Christian faith & legal philosophy of the American founding
    • The story of Thomas Jefferson & Rev. John Leland
    • Understanding Frederick Douglass and the Constitution
    • Article: How Viktor Orbán's Hungary Eroded the Rule of Law and Free Markets
    • PEPFAR: President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief
    • Who is Freddy, the German?

    Scriptures Referenced:

    • 1 Timothy 2:1–6 (ESV)
    • John 18:36 (ESV)
    • Colossians 1:15–17 (ESV)
    • Micah 6:8 (ESV)
    • Luke 3:12–14 (ESV)
    • Philippians 3:20 (ESV)

    More From David French:

    • David French's New York Times pieces HERE
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    Pete Wehner on Pope Leo, Trump, and Protestant America Jun 25, 2026
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    How Are Protestants Navigating a Moral and Spiritual Vacuum in Evangelicalism?

    Host Curtis Chang talks with former White House staffer and Atlantic columnist Pete Wehner about why Pope Leo XIV is resonating with Protestants and evangelicals despite historic theological divides. Together, they explore the Pope's moral leadership while contrasting his dignified, intellectually grounded public witness with Donald Trump's increasingly erratic influence on evangelical political culture. The conversation examines a perceived spiritual leadership vacuum within Protestantism and calls pastors, congregations, and followers of Jesus to cultivate beauty, goodness, and truth as a long-term path toward renewing Christian public witness.

    00:34 - Introduction to Pope Leo XIV's Influence

    02:29 - Is There a Protestant Appreciation for Catholicism?

    03:59 - What Is This Pope's Impact on Public Theology?

    06:06 - Papal Influence in Past Administrations

    11:19 - The Collapse of Evangelical Public Theology

    14:18 - Can Protestants Still Exert Moral Influence?

    21:16 - The "Mad King" and Trump's Cognitive Decline

    28:42 - What Can Pastors Do?

    32:00 - The Importance of Beauty, Goodness, and Truth

    37:08 - What Is The Pope's Transcendent Influence?

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    Referenced in the Episode:

    • Pete Wehner's article "The American Pope vs. the American President"
    • Pete Wehner's article "The Apotheosis of Donald Trump"
    • Pope Leo XIV's Encyclical Letter: Magnifica Humanitas
    • The Madness of King George (YouTube free with ads)
    • David Bentley Hart's The Beauty of the Infinite
    • Wordsworth's The Prelude, Book 14
    • Good Faith's course: The After Party

    Scriptures Referenced:

    • 1 Timothy 3 (ESV)
    • Titus 1 (ESV)

    Protestant and Catholic Leaders Referenced:

    • Pope John Paul II
    • Pope Benedict XVI
    • Pope Francis
    • Reinhold Niebuhr
    • C.S. Lewis
    • Billy Graham
    • Dietrich Bonhoeffer
    • John Stott
    • Karl Barth
    • Oliver O'Donovan
    • Rowan Williams
    • Dr. Tim Keller

    More from Pete Wehner:

    • Pete Wehner's articles at The Atlantic
    • Pete Wehner's opinion pieces at The New York Times

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    Is America's Promise of Freedom Still Unfinished? with Angel Adams Parham Jun 18, 2026
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    How Can Freedom, Faith, and the Fight Beyond A Holiday Shape Us?

    Host Curtis Chang talks with sociologist Dr. Angel Adams Parham about the history of Juneteenth, from the 1865 emancipation announcement in Galveston, Texas, to its meaning for American freedom, racial justice, and collective memory. Together, they explore the spiritual resilience of the Black church, its influence on Christian theology and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and why Juneteenth matters for all Americans. They also consider how Christians can celebrate Juneteenth with both joy and historical honesty.

    02:05 - The Historical Story of Juneteenth

    05:11 - What Were the Limitations of the Emancipation Proclamation?

    09:28 - An American Pattern of Incomplete Freedom

    13:34 - How Do We Preserve the Meaning of Juneteenth?

    19:24 - The Pain of Historical Erasure & Cultural Setbacks

    23:43 - Scripture as a Freedom Narrative Fostering Resilience

    29:22 - The Universal Longing To Be Free

    32:06 - The Black Church's Contribution to the Christian Story

    35:54 - Embodied Practices for Juneteenth

    39:09 - The Spiritual Promise of "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot"

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    Referenced in the Episode:

    • Transcript of The Emancipation Proclamation
    • Union General Gordon Granger's announcement: General Order No. 3
    • Claude Atcho's Reading Black Books
    • Frederick Douglass' "What to the Slave Is the Fourth of July?" (pdf)
    • Transcription of an interview with ex-slave Felix Haywood
    • Reggie L. Williams' Bonhoeffer's Black Jesus
    • Phillis Wheatley's letter to Rev. Samson Occom
    • James Weldon Johnson's poem Lift Every Voice and Sing
    • Manhattan Harmony Four's recording Lift Every Voice And Sing
    • The Fisk University Quartet's Swing Low, Sweet Chariot

    Scriptures Referenced:

    • Exodus 12:31–15:21 (ESV)
    • Isaiah 61 (ESV)
    • Leviticus 25 (ESV)
    • Luke 4:14–30 (ESV)

    More From Dr. Angel Adams Parham:

    • Dr. Parham's bio: the University of Virginia
    • Dr. Parham's Website
    • Dr. Parham's book The Black Intellectual Tradition: Reading Freedom in Classical Literature

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    Nicholas Carr: Superbloom or Social Doom? The Tech Rewiring of Our Minds and Humanity Jun 11, 2026
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    What does it mean to stay fully human in the age of AI?

    Host Curtis Chang sits down with Pulitzer Prize finalist and acclaimed technology critic Nicholas Carr to explore how AI, social media, and digital life are reshaping human attention, identity, education, and spiritual formation. Carr warns that technologies promising efficiency often erode the embodied presence, deep thinking, struggle, and meaningful friction that make us fully human. Together, Curtis and Nicholas uncover surprising common ground in the urgent work of preserving human dignity in the age of artificial intelligence.

    00:37 - Introduction to Nicholas Carr and His work

    03:52 - What Is Technology's Social Impact

    04:03 - Disembodied Communication and Negative Emotions

    05:27 - What It Means to Be Truly Human

    11:32 - Information vs. Formation

    14:38 - Why Is AI So Unsettling?

    18:54 - Stop Rushing the Adoption of AI in Education

    22:02 - AI and the Erosion of the Self

    25:08 - An Institutional Response to AI

    27:36 - Forming the Next Generation

    31:10 - Countercultural Imperatives for Leaders

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    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • Nicholas Carr's The Atlantic article "Is Google Making Us Stupid?"
    • Nicholas Carr's The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains
    • Nicholas Carr's Superbloom: How Technologies of Connection Tear Us Apart
    • Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation
    • Vatican document on AI, Antiqua et Nova
    • The Christian Scholars' Conference at Pepperdine University

    More From Nicholas Carr:

    • Nicholas Carr's website
    • Nicholas Carr's Substack: New Cartographies
    • Nichoals Carr's blog: Rough Type

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    Molly Worthen: Is College Killing Christian Faith or Awakening It? Jun 04, 2026
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    Have You Ever Met a Secular Professor Who Became a Christian?

    In this episode of Good Faith, Curtis Chang talks with historian and UNC professor Molly Worthen about her surprising journey from secular skeptic to Christian believer—and what her story reveals about faith, doubt, college, and perceived crises in higher education. They explore why so many Christian students struggle with faith on secular campuses, how parents can help college-bound kids find mentors and community, and how Christian study centers are creating spaces for honest questions, intellectual formation, and spiritual growth. Molly also explains why the search for meaning in the age of AI may open new doors for Christian faith to thrive.

    02:58 - Professor Molly Worthen Describes Her Faith Journey

    06:22 - Is The Resurrection a Historical Truth?

    10:23 - Molly's Leap of Faith Was Intellectual

    11:25 - Why Do Students Leave Church in College?

    13:48 - The Role of Christian Study Centers

    19:49 - Students Seeking Mentorship

    25:41 - Faith, Politics, and Crisis of Meaning

    29:43 - The Timeless Questions of Faith Are Still the Dominant Ones

    31:14 - What's The Professional Cost of Being a Public Christian on Campus?

    34:01 - Can You Have a Healthy Relationship With Doubt?

    39:28 - Advice for Parents of College-Bound Students

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    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • Molly Worthen's Spellbound
    • LifeWay Research: Most Teenagers Drop Out of Church as Young Adults
    • Tim Keller's The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism

    More From Molly Worthen:

    • Molly Worthen's faculty page at UNC
    • Molly Worthen's website
    • Molly Worthen's Apostles of Reason: The Crisis of Authority in American Evangelicalism

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    Andy Crouch: If UFOs Reveal Alien Life, Would Christians Be Ready? May 28, 2026
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    Are Aliens Demons, Our Cosmic Neighbors, or Something Stranger?

    Host Curtis Chang and author Andy Crouch explore the theological implications of UFOs, extraterrestrial life, and the possibility that humans are not the only created beings in the cosmos. They ask whether aliens should be understood as material creatures, angels and demons, image bearers, or cosmic neighbors—and what Scripture, Christian theology, and even Aquinas suggest about our human uniqueness. Along the way, they consider whether first contact would reveal Christian love, humility, and wonder—or our instinct toward fear and domination.

    00:47 - Introduction to Alien Life and Declassified UFO Reports

    02:19 - Do Aliens Exist?

    08:32 - The Value of Pondering Alien Life

    13:02 - Aliens vs. Angels and Demons

    23:18 - God's Mysterious Creatures in Scripture

    27:42 - The Octopus Dilemma and Human Specialness

    38:26 - Missional Work and Alien Life?

    44:26 - The Nature of God's Love

    48:49 - Domination or Love : The Human Response to Aliens

    50:58 - Andy Imagines Worshipping with Cosmic Neighbors

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    Scriptures Referenced:

    • Job 1–2 (ESV)
    • Job 38–41 (ESV)
    • Genesis 1–2 (ESV)
    • Genesis 4 (ESV)
    • Ephesians 2 (ESV)
    • 2 Peter 1:4 (ESV)
    • Romans 8 (ESV)
    • Isaiah 11 (ESV)
    • Romans 10 (ESV)

    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • UFO-related declassified files
    • UAP disclosure
    • Meghan Sullivan and Notre Dame's DELTA project
    • What is the Fermi paradox?
    • Eleanor Stump's Wandering in Darkness: Narrative and the Problem of Suffering
    • C.S. Lewis's Perelandra
    • Andy Weir's Project Hail Mary: A Novel
    • A scene from Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    • A scene from Steven Spielberg's E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
    • A scene from Denis Villeneuve's Arrival
    • St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica: reason / will / dominion
    • Salvation as Theosis: The Teaching of Eastern Orthodoxy (article)
    • Isaiah's peaceable kingdom
    • Thunderbird in Native American traditions
    • Do octopus brains work like humans'? (article)
    • Pythagoras and Johannes Kepler's Musica Universalis or the Music of the Spheres

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    • Check out Andy's website
    • Check out Andy's work at Praxis
    • Read Andy's book: The Life We're Looking For

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    Dan Allender on Why Getting Older Could Make You More Alive May 21, 2026
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    Is Mortality the Enemy of a Meaningful Life?

    Curtis Chang sits down with psychologist Dr. Dan Allender for a searching conversation about aging, mortality, Christian hope, and the surprising freedom of growing older. Together, they explore why getting older is not merely decline, but an invitation to deeper purpose, tenderness, grace, and wisdom—especially in a culture determined to deny death. From caring for aging parents to reimagining retirement, Dan and Curtis offer biblical insight and personal honesty for anyone seeking renewed purpose, peace, and courage as we grow older.

    00:43 - Introduction to Aging Well Spiritually, Not Physically

    03:25 - Psalm 90 and When to Start Thinking About Age?

    05:40- Why Does Our Culture Avoid Aging?

    09:52 - Are There Gifts in Getting Older?

    19:10 - Counting Your Days: A Biblical Perspective

    25:05- Psalm 92: The Righteous Stay Vital By Serving Others

    29:14 - The Problem with Retirement Culture

    34:32 - What About the "Sandwich Generation"?

    40:55 - Our Inner Emotional Age

    44:45 - The Power of Story From Lives Well Lived

    50:20 - Tending to Your Past Selves

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    Scriptures Referenced:

    • Psalm 90:12 (all versions)
    • Psalm 92:14 (all versions)
    • Genesis 16 (ESV)
    • Hebrews 4:11 (all versions)

    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • Dylan Thomas's Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night
    • Good Faith podcast episode 211: Nancy French's Joyful Grandparenting Lessons & Living Like Tomorrow Isn't Guaranteed
    • Schindler's List scene: "I didn't do enough"

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    Tish Harrison Warren: When Weariness Drains Your Soul, Don't Escape—Go Deeper May 14, 2026
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    What Is Spiritual Weariness and How Can We Find Renewal?

    In this episode of The Good Faith Podcast, Curtis Chang chats with Tish Harrison Warren—Anglican priest, former New York Times columnist, and author of What Grows in Weary Lands—about burnout, spiritual weariness, and the exhaustion that escapism and rest alone cannot fix. Tish explains how polarization, digital distraction, consumerism, and isolation can leave us tempted to "flame out" or "numb out." Instead, she invites listeners to "go deeper" through prayer, silence, embodied community, Sabbath, and the difficult but meaningful commitments that lead to lasting renewal.

    00:36 - Introduction to World Weariness

    02:43 - Tish Describes the Draining Experience of Public Faith

    06:04 - What Are the Cultural Factors of Collective Burnout?

    13:01 - Dysfunctional Responses: Reinvention and Escape

    15:01 - Flame Out, Numb Out, or Go Deep

    20:51 - Are There Practical Steps to Go Deep?

    23:29 - The Practice of "Staying in Your Cell"

    26:40 - The Tough Sell of Going Deeper

    32:07 - The "Dark Night of the Soul" as a Growth Stage

    36:11 - Learning from Historic Church Practices

    38:04 - What Do Healthy Rhythms of Engagement and Withdrawal Look Like?

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    Mentioned in This Episode:

    • Tish Harrison Warren's What Grows in Weary Lands: On Christian Resilience
    • The Ezra Klein Show: Burned Out? Start Here.
    • Curt Thompson on Covid-era digital fatigue
    • Thomas Aquinas's idea of arduous goods
    • St. John of the Cross's The Dark Night of the Soul
    • Stanley Hauerwas: Evangelicalism Will Die of Exhaustion (conversation with Al Mohler)
    • the Desert Fathers and Mothers: "Stay in your cell"

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    • Tish Harrison Warren's website
    • Tish Harrison Warren's New York Times pieces
    • Other books by Tish Harrison Warren

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