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    Going Rogue

    Welcome to the ultimate insider’s guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue.

    I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I’ve booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That’s nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They’re just the tip of the iceberg.

    “Going Rogue” is your backstage pass to the moments that never made it to print. The stories from the photographers who captured magic, the stylists who created iconic looks, and the writers who know every secret. You’ll hear about the celebrities, the shoots that almost didn’t happen, and the untold drama behind fashion’s most memorable moments.

    Remember “The Devil Wears Prada”? That fictional 11-month snapshot? I was there for the real story—I even hired the person the book was based on and appear on page 21 of the book. But this isn’t about one story. It’s about hundreds of stories, from someone who was on the inside. This podcast is not an exposé, it’s a celebration of the brilliant people behind the scenes that made all the famous moments possible at Vogue.

    It isn’t just a podcast about fashion. It’s about creativity, ambition, art, and the human stories behind the images that helped define a generation. We’ll reveal how the talents behind these shoots got their start, and they’ll share masterclass-level advice for a new generation of stylists, photographers, and creatives looking to make their mark. We’re going behind the scenes of a world most people only glimpse through glossy pages and red carpet moments.

    Are you ready to go rogue with me?

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    Inside Supermodel Karen Elson's World: Legendary Collaborations and Creative Rebellion Feb 06, 2026
    Show notes

    Karen Elson shares her remarkable journey from an unconventional supermodel to a musician, activist, and aspiring actor. Known for her signature pale skin, red hair, and unique beauty, Karen made waves in the fashion industry by gracing over 30 international Vogue covers and walking the runways for major designers like McQueen, Chanel, and Versace. She discusses her early struggles with bullying and an eating disorder, finding solace and inspiration in fashion magazines. Jill delves into Karen’s transformative experiences with iconic photographers like Steven Meisel, Tim Walker, and Peter Lindbergh, highlighting her collaborative spirit and willingness to push boundaries. Karen also touches on her activism work, including fighting for models' rights and her insights into the shifts within the fashion industry.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Breaking Boundaries: Nicola Formichetti on Fashion, Gaga, and Fearless Creativity Jan 30, 2026
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    Jill sits down with visionary creative director Nicola Formichetti for an conversation about his journey through the fashion world. Known for his work with Lady Gaga, his tenure at Diesel, and his current role at MAC Cosmetics, Nicola opens up about the experiences that shaped his approach to fashion and creativity. Nicola takes us back to his early days exploring the flea markets of Rome and traces his path to working at the highest levels of global fashion. He gets real about his boundary-pushing approach to creativity and why embracing mistakes has been key to his success. Nicola sharing what it was really like creating some of fashion's most memorable imagery with photographers like Nick Knight and Steven Klein. Nicola also talks about his current role at MAC Cosmetics, where he's bringing his vision to beauty and fashion. He's all breaking rules, challenging the status quo, and trusting your creative instincts, even when you're not sure where you're headed.

    Along the way, Nicola mentions the people who've shaped his path, including his mother, Alister Mackie, Katie Grand, Katy England, Jefferson Hack, Kim Jones, Gwen Stefani, Richard Burbridge, Miles Aldridge, Anna Cockburn, Tomo Koizumi, Eugene Tong, and James Gager.

    For anyone interested in innovation, creative courage, and authentic self-expression in fashion and beyond, this conversation offers plenty to think about.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer


    A Conversation with Stefan Beckman: Building Fashion's Iconic Worlds Jan 23, 2026
    Show notes

    Jill chats with Stefan Beckman, one of fashion's most influential set designers. Over 25 years, Beckman has created unforgettable environments for Marc Jacobs, Chanel, Prada, and Louis Vuitton while collaborating with photography icons Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, Steven Klein, Tim Walker, Craig McDean, Herb Ritts, and Fabian Baron. Stefan traces his path from theater and film school to becoming fashion's go-to set designer, revealing the creative process behind landmark fashion shows and editorial shoots. He discusses how his formative years shaped his visual approach and shares his perspective on where set design is headed as the industry transforms. Stefan recounts memorable moments with Whitney Houston, Notorious B.I.G., Cher, JLo, the Rolling Stones, LL Cool J, Jamie Foxx, Gwyneth Paltrow, Winona Ryder, Gisele Bündchen, Renee Zellweger, Amber Valletta, Matt Damon, Jake Gyllenhaal, Daria Werbowy, Kate Hudson, Owen Wilson, Rihanna, Billie Eilish, Angelina Jolie, and Beyoncé. Check out the video on our YouTube channel with many of the images discussed in this episode

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Writer and Editor Ned Martel on Two Groundbreaking Magazines: George with JFK Jr. and Men's Vogue with Jay Fielden Jan 16, 2026
    Show notes

    Jill sits down with writer and editor, Ned Martel, who shares his experiences working with two of the most daring magazine experiments of our time, George Magazine with John F. Kennedy Jr., and Men's Vogue under Jay Fielden. What made these publications revolutionary, the cultural and creative challenges they faced, and the eventual shuttering of both titles. Martel also opens up about the personal impacts of losing close friends and navigating the media landscape as a gay man. Martel offers insights into the history of magazines, journalism, and ambitious storytelling.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Fashion's Invisible Hand: A Conversation with Paul Cavaco Jan 09, 2026
    Show notes

    For over four decades, Paul Cavaco has been fashion's invisible hand, the editor who shapes the iconic images we see but rarely thinks about who made them possible. In this episode, Jill sits down with Paul to talk about his work at Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, and Allure, and what it takes to create images that actually mean something. He shares stories about collaborating with photographers like Richard Avedon, Steven Meisel, Annie Leibovitz, and Bruce Weber, and explains the chemistry between editors and photographers that turns a photo shoot into something memorable. Paul also talks about the difference between style and trends, his path from the Bronx to the center of American fashion, and how the industry has changed over the years.

    If you're into these conversations, rate, review, and subscribe to keep them going!

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Revisiting Tonne Goodman's Vogue Legacy Jan 02, 2026
    Show notes

    Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from photographer-first covers to celebrity-driven ones, working under Liz Tilberis at Harper's Bazaar and Anna Wintour at Vogue. This episode returns now because next week's guest, Paul Cavaco, shares a deeply intertwined career with Tonne. They were co-fashion directors at Bazaar before Tonne took over when Paul left for Allure. Like her signature uniform of white jeans, loafers, and a silk scarf, Tonne's work has always been about clarity over noise.

    Tonne shares her path from art school and early modeling to working with Calvin Klein before joining American Vogue, where she was mentored by the legendary Diana Vreeland. She recounts behind-the-scenes stories from high-profile celebrity shoots featuring stars like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Britney Spears, and discusses her collaborations with top photographers including Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Herb Ritts, and Annie Leibovitz. As they explore her career, Tonne emphasizes the collaborative spirit essential to successful fashion shoots and her diplomatic approach to managing complex productions. Drawing from her own experience as a former model, she reveals her fierce commitment to advocating for and protecting the talent she works with.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    The Making of Makeup Artist Francelle Daly, A Story of Passion and Perseverance Dec 26, 2025
    Show notes

    Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly scaled the ranks, working on sets with legendary photographers like Annie Leibovitz and Craig McDean. Francelle shares the story of her unconventional path, her resilience in the face of industry challenges, and her experiences working on high-stakes projects like a celebrity cruise campaign during the pandemic. Francelle also delves into her collaboration with iconic figures such as Grace Coddington and Phyllis Posnick, and the creative freedom she experiences working with independent magazines. She talks about the inception and philosophy behind her brand, Lovecraft Beauty, a venture that aims to build a creative community. Francelle shares lessons on perseverance, innovation, and the power of following one's passion.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Inside Nick Knight's Vision: The Past, Present, and Future of Fashion Imagery Dec 19, 2025
    Show notes

    Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with Yohji Yamamoto, Linda Evangelista, and British Vogue to founding SHOWstudio and creating projects with Alexander McQueen, Björk, Lady Gaga, and Kanye West, Knight has transformed how fashion is seen and experienced. He discusses his philosophy that photography is about creating what you want to see rather than capturing reality, addressing digital photography, AI, and the importance of moving forward. Reflections on past collaborations and thoughts on the future of fashion and technology.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Master Hairstylist Garren on Five Decades of Fashion, From Avedon to Instagram Dec 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for Victoria Beckham and Karlie Kloss. Garren reflects on his collaborative relationships with fashion greats including Patrick Demarchelier, Bill King, and Arthur Elgort, plus challenging editorial shoots with Polly Mellen, Phyllis Posnick, Grace Coddington, and Tonne Goodman. From the evolution of hairstyling and the importance of mentorship to the industry's shift in the Instagram and AI era, it's a master class in fashion history for anyone who loves the craft.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
    Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.


    Versha Sharma Revisited: What Disappeared When Teen Vogue Was Folded Dec 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now.

    Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about the feelings of otherness that fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices. The conversation traces her path from Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism and her leadership at Teen Vogue during COVID-19 and the social justice reckoning of 2020.
    Sharma describes the strategic evolution she guided, from embracing digital-first publishing to prioritizing video content for Gen Z audiences. The episode highlights groundbreaking editorial choices under her guidance, including features on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, and Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress.
    Listening back, this conversation is a reminder of what leadership actually looks like in media and how much is lost when the industry sidelines the voices who push it forward.

    Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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    Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUE

    Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer


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