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    Getting Into Infosec

    Interviews with people who have transitioned and got jobs in #infosec and #cybersecurity so you can learn and be inspired from their experience. There is no linear path into the field of Information Security, so the hope is that you will resonate with at least one of the guests. Some of my guests were teachers, paralegals, librarians, military vets, developers, and IT help desk techs (to name a few) before transitioning. Also featuring “spoof” ads poking fun at the industry.

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    InfoSteph - From Journalism to IT Support to Security Analyst Dec 18, 2018
    Show notes

    Steph is brand new to the infosec field! We go over her interesting and eventful path into Information Security, reflections on her role today, and some fascinating war stories!

    BIO:

    Steph is a Security Analyst for a retail company makes up the team of one. She has a background in journalism and web hosting. She is the creator and editor of StephAndSec.com, a blog focused on technology, inclusion, and lifetime learning. Stephanie's life work is to encourage and fight for more diversity and inclusion in tech spaces for more innovative and original collaboration. She spends her time mentoring high school students, hosting virtual labs via Women In Tech-a-thons, and learning as much as she can about anything and everything. Stephanie believes that giving back to the community at every stage is very important. In addition to technology, Stephanie has a secondary passion for Psychology, so don't be frightened if you hear her discuss cognitive distortions or attachment styles. She hopes to develop research that explores the dichotomy between human beings and technology. She is currently on a mission to speak at three events in 2019 and has already been booked for one event.

    Notes:

    • Dreams of Creative Writing, but chose Journalism for practicality

    • Encouraged to Computer Science by her mom

    • Had her eye on Security, through IT or Web Hosting... eventually.

    • A story of being so close, yet so far

    • Was very close to giving up on the whole industry due to the difficulty and lack of encouragement... but was NOT comfortable with quitting.


    Quotes:

    • "You have to talk to strangers about their story... you want me to walk up to a complete stranger as an introvert? Uh.. what?"

    • "The type of person I am, I can't fully commit to something without getting my hands dirty."

    • "The way that I learn is situational."

    • "We had a vulnerability scan tool and so I just tried to work with that."

    • "It's kind of like what doctors have to do before they [can] become a doctor."

    • "So many people are trying to get into the industry and facing the same issue. I've done all these things people have told me to and it hasn't gotten me anywhere."

    • "Just do a bunch of stuff until it sticks!"

    • "Twitter was one of the best... decision I made."

    • "Get a champion that is more senior than you."

    • "Don't count yourself out, before someone else has counted you out."

    • "The lessons that are best learned are the ones that resulted in catastrophic failure."

    • "When you want to be a lawyer, you go to law school, you sit for the bar. There ya go! There's a plan."


    Links:

    • Steph's Website: https://stephandsec.com/

    • Speaking engagement next year: https://2019.tabgeeks.com/speakers#steph

    • Steph's Tech a Thon's: https://mailchi.mp/70c8010c3320/tech-a-thon-comeback

    • WISP - Women in Security and Privacy: https://www.wisporg.com/

    • Intro - Cascadia by Trash 80: https://trash80.com/#/content/133/weeklybeats-2012-week5

    • Outro - That Night In Your Car - Spazz Cardigan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzuoAOd238


    Resources:

    • HackEDU: https://hackedu.io/

    • Open Bug Bounty.org: https://www.openbugbounty.org/


    Getting Into Infosec:

    • Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

    • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg6gV_gdfc188HZdN8LUx4A

    • Book: https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Step-Step-Starting-Information-ebook/dp/B07N15GTPC/


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    Virtual Kyle Kennedy - Stories, not resumes: Breaking educational and other barriers in cybersecurity Dec 11, 2018
    Show notes

    Today's episode is a reading of an amazing written by Kyle Kennedy, president of brainbabe.org. The reading is performed by Allison, an IBM Watson personality. I also go through some recent resources discovered to help you on your journey to a Career in Infosec.

    BIO:

    Kyle F. Kennedy is a social cybersecurity expert and president of brainbabe.org. His organization provides foundational soft-skills training for a small fee (supported by corporation donations) and plans to launch soft-skill Masterclasses in 2019. They helped organize an event called Day of Shecurity for women of diverse backgrounds to have one day of learning: tech/ hard skills, soft skills. They had opportunities for mentorship and guidance. Day of Shecurity was FREE to attendees!

    Links:

    • Article: Stories, not resumes: Breaking educational and other barriers in cybersecurity
    • Google Image Search for "cybersecurity"
    • Associate of (ISC)²
    • Adrian Kaylor's talk "Sales Engineering and getting into infosec"
    • https://www.joesecurity.org/
    • Flaws2
    • City College of SF Cybersecurity Program
    • CCSF Information Security (Cybersecurity) Analyst Apprenticeship
    • Sam Bowne's Classes
    • Article in IBM Watson's Expressive SSML used on the show
    • Intro/Outro Music: Cascadia by Trash80

    Full Text of Article:

    When you search for images under the key word “cybersecurity,” a familiar shot always turns up: a guy wearing a hoodie, operating in a dark room, fingers on a keyboard.

    I’d like to replace that image with…anything. To be a cybersecurity professional, you can be anything. And anyone.

    We’ve heard the statistics. There is currently a human capital crisis, with 1.5 million cybersecurity jobs available and no takers. The number is projected to balloon to 3.2 million by 2021.

    But who exactly are these cybersecurity professionals we are looking for?

    For so long, we have had our own definition of who can fit that talent. A good cybersecurity professional has to have a computer science degree. They must have solid professional background. They have to be male. This pattern of defining success has led us to the shortage we are experiencing today. It’s kind of like insanity, really: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    What really makes up a good professional? Every human being brings a different experience. You need critical thinking and creative thinking, both. A variety of educational, ethnic, geographical, backgrounds.

    For example, cybersecurity is not the obvious career path for someone with a biology degree; however, a biology major might help throw a new perspective on cybersecurity given that advancements of technology will eventually interface with the human body organically creating a scary threat landscape.

    Often too we talk about cybersecurity in the context of oil and gas, or transport, or finance. Cybersecurity today and going forward, is a horizontal across every industry, as opposed to just being by itself.

    Every industry needs cybersecurity professionals. People from other disciplines could provide their own perspectives and add value to how the job is done. For example, some of the best cybersecurity communicators otherwise known as “Social Engineers”, I know are drama majors, communication majors and liberal arts majors.

    Why are soft skills critical? The risks here are complex. If these risks are not articulated in a business language, such that executives are not able to grasp their importance, then what you will have as a result are cyber policies, created from the ivory tower, which everyone must follow, and which would inhibit the business instead of enabling it.

    If cybersecurity becomes more inclusive instead of exclusive, then we will be all the more superior to the attackers. As it is, it’s the enemy who are inclusive. They don’t have any requirement that hackers should have this or that degree or should have attended an Ivy League school. Most hackers are self-taught, and when something sparks their interest, they go online. They read. Nobody tells them they could not do it because they are not a good fit.

    Initial strides

    Foremost, before anything can be done, there must be an acknowledgment of the current situation and the need to be more welcoming. Business leaders and decision-makers must recognize the unconscious bias that they have. They have to understand that creating positive disruption and changing patterns are a business differentiator.

    My organization is active in our advocacy for inclusion in cybersecurity, specifically for women. We have been speaking to organizations on positive disruption. A good way to create action is through regional events and grassroots involvement. We bring the community together, and it is these communities that conduct classes and organize meet-ups and training courses.

    We did this in reaction to the more established cybersecurity conferences that present numerous barriers to entry, and which are more for senior professionals. Women may not have the luxury of being able to spring for the travel, or leave their homes for days at a time, and perhaps find childcare for the time they are away.

    ISC2 also now has an associate certification, where an individual can take the certification examination without the work experience; providing an opportunity for employers to recognize & support candidates entering or transitioning to the cybersecurity industry.

    Personal reasons

    My passion for diversity in cybersecurity is driven by several things.

    First, given my degree in sociology, I must have had a hundred interviews before landing on a job in technology, even though I knew a lot about it – it had been a hobby for years — and it was clear I was keenly interested and willing to learn. They said I was not the right fit because I did not have a technology degree; specifically, a computer science degree. Didn’t matter that I could code in Assembler, BASIC, C, Cobol, Comal, Forth, Fortran, Logo, Pascal, PL/1 or Algol.

    And I thought, if this could happen to me, a white male, think of all the others who could not break the barriers!

    I ended up leading the engineering department of the first company that hired me.

    And then I met my wife, who herself had to break barriers in IT because she was a woman. For example, during meetings, she was seen as more of an assistant rather than a peer, even though she was very technical.

    My male colleagues initially said I was just on the bandwagon with my advocacy for women in cybersecurity. I said no. Men have to recognize that we have to be part of the solution, since many of the positions of senior leadership are occupied by men.

    ‘This is not my coffee’

    I have a good analogy for all this. Suppose you went to a Starbucks, and when your coffee is given to you, you see that it was not what you asked for.

    For a moment you might think you might as well take it, because the barista probably knows what is good for you, more than you do.

    But no – you renegotiate. The barista does not know any better. You then look for the manager to explain the mistake and to get the drink you want.

    Empathy is what can truly enable us to understand that we need to change the status quo. Yes, I am male, I am white, but I know that my background is a lot different from that of my peers. Because of this, I am very empathetic in that I know there are institutionalized barriers. I should know – I have spent the past 25 years in security.

    What should really matter is that there are many talented individuals capable of both critical and creative thinking. They may not come in the shape and size we have traditionally expected them to be, but they are interested. They are intelligent.

    In the end, only three questions should matter to organizations when they decide on investing in somebody for a cybersecurity role: Do you have the brain? Are you passionate? Can you learn?

    Kyle F. Kennedy is a social cybersecurity expert and president of brainbabe.org. His organization provides foundational soft-skills training for a small fee (supported by corporation donations) and plans to launch soft-skill Masterclasses in 2019.They helped organize an event called Day of Shecurity, for women of diverse backgrounds to have one day of learning: tech/ hard skills, soft skills. They had opportunities for mentorship and guidance. Day of Shecurity was FREE to attendees!

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    Elvis Chan - From Making Computer Chips to FBI Supervisory Special Agent! Dec 04, 2018
    Show notes

    Elvis Chan is a Supervisory Special Agent Elvis Chan, who works cybersecurity matters for the FBI San Francisco Division. We discuss how we got into the FBI, Life in the FBI Cybersecurity Division, and how to get involved.

    The FBI is always looking for qualified applications for Special Agent and professional staff positions. Please see https://www.fbijobs.gov/ for more details.

    Notes:

    • There are three main roles in CyberSecurity at the FBI:
      • Special Agent (Gun Carrying Badge)
      • Intelligence Analyst
      • Computer Scientist

    • It may be quiet on the outside, but you can bet the FBI is hard at work on the inside.
    • Protection of the recent elections was discussed. The sheer number of people involved in protecting the elections from foreign actors couldn't be enumerated. Both the public sector and private sector are involved.
    • In an incident response, there is often coordination with FBI headquarters and sometimes other 3 letter agencies.
    • FBI San Francisco was the squad of record for investigating the 2014 Yahoo hack.
    • Elvis goes into detail explaining more about Russian Hacking and how the FSB culture works.
    • Placement in the FBI is based on a ranking system.

    Quotes:

    • "There are a LOT of things behind the scenes I can't talk about."
    • "If you see in the news that there is a hack, you can be sure that there is at least one, maybe two, maybe several, office mobilized to figure out what the heck happened."
    • "On a regular day, I would love to just go through my email and have the scheduled meetings I'm gonna have."
    • "Why are the Russians coming after us..."
    • "Whatever happens to you... 'The Need of the Bureau'"
    • "My current job, despite all the paperwork and meeting I don't want to go to is a 10 out of 10!"
    • "People would not believe some of the stuff that we've seen or that we've gone through. They would make the worst movie plot because they would be so unbelievable!"

    Links:

    • FBI Jobs: https://www.fbijobs.gov
    • 2014 Yahoo Hack: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-russian-fsb-officers-and-their-criminal-conspirators-hacking-yahoo-and-millions
    • FSB: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service
    • InfraGard: https://www.infragard.org/
    • FBI Field Offices: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices

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    Clay Wells - From SysAdmin to Security Architect to Con Organizer! Nov 27, 2018
    Show notes

    Clay Wells has been living in kernel/userland since Red Hat 4.0 Colgate. Worklife has primarily been in academia and has included programming, system administration, and information security. He's a point of contact for the DC215 group and one of the Blue Team Village coordinators at DEF CON. He also created unofficial CTF challenges for local hacker cons and organizers for the first annual WOPR Summit this March 2019 in Atlantic City.

    Clay, a security architect, musician, Defcon Blue Team Village Co-Organizer, and organizer of the first annual WOPR Summit, shares some really insightful tips on making it Information Security, as well as a fascinating recent war story.

    WOPR Summit is March 1st, 2019, in Atlantic City!

    Quotes:

    • "My heart was racing... that was a huge rush, and that's when I was like yea... blue side F*** rocks!!"

    • "Take a holistic approach to InfoSec, dive into the culture, different cons, music, people...volunteer, get out, get involved."

    • "Learn a little about everything, then find what really interests you... and go for it!"

    • "It's great to apt-get stuff... but try compiling a custom Linux kernel."

    • "I'm a strong believer in embracing that creative side."

    • "[Blue Team] certainly hasn't been the sexiest infosec job to have... yes, defense is what people want... there's a lot of defense work out there."


    Links:

    • Clay Wells on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ttheveii0x
    • Clay Wells on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clayball/
    • Clay Wells Blog: http://www.cwells.org/
    • WOPR Summit 2019: https://www.woprsummit.org/
    • WOPR Summit Sponsorhip Prospectus: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b81b8f745776e48dcfb884d/t/5ba666dbf4e1fc68321a7a27/1537631964367/wopr-summit-2019-sponsor-prospectus.pdf
    • DEF CON Blue Team Village: https://blueteamvillage.org/
    • Opensoc by Recon Infosec: https://opensoc.io/
    • Recon Infosec: https://reconinfosec.com/
    • BsidesDC: http://bsidesdc.org/
    • Graylog: https://www.graylog.org/
    • Kibana: https://www.elastic.co/products/kibana
    • H.O.P.E Conference: https://hope.net/
    • No Starch Press: https://nostarch.com/
    • Outro Music by Clay: https://soundcloud.com/clayball/0x41-2-version-b

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    BONUS: Robin Stuart - Road to Becoming a Cyber Crime Author Nov 18, 2018
    Show notes

    Robin Stuart is a debut author in cybercrime fiction with a short story called "SegFault" in the Sisters in Crime NorCal anthology Fault Lines, which is due in early 2019!!!

    Notes

    • Wrote her first full-length mystery in the mid-'90s!
    • Pitching is basically a job interview
    • Honing your pitch
    • You only get one shot at that first impression
    • She has a backlog of stories to tell... Stay Tuned!!! (So Excited!)

    Links

    • The New York Pitch Fest: http://newyorkpitchconference.com/
    • Mystery Writers: https://mysterywriters.org/
    • Sister in Crime Northern California Chapter: http://www.sincnorcal.org/
    • Paula Munier, Robin's Literary Agent: http://talcottnotch.net/index.php/agents/paula-munier
    • Robin Stuart Full Interview: https://gettingintoinfosec/robin-stuart-from-paralegal-to-malware-researcher-and-cyber-crime-author

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    Robin Stuart - From Paralegal to Malware Researcher (and Cyber Crime Author!) Nov 13, 2018
    Show notes

    Robin Stuart started off as a paralegal until she was challenged one day to get her boss's password (hint: do not challenge Robin). Fast forward, she switched careers to technology but kept a lookout for a career in security.

    Bio

    Veteran cybercrime investigator and contributing author to the Handbook for Information Security by Wiley, Robin is a debut author in cybercrime fiction with a short story in the Sisters in Crime NorCal anthology Fault Lines, which is due out in early 2019.

    She consults on all things cybersecurity for Fortune 100 companies, television shows, and media outlets, including BBC and NowThis News.

    She was a significant contributor to the Tech Museum of Innovation's acclaimed Cyber Detectives interactive installation, one of the museum's most popular permanent exhibits, which earned praise from the Obama Administration.

    Notes

    • Combination of Enthusiasm and Perseverance
    • Creativity matters a lot!
    • Setting up a home lab to train
    • Robin's First "Hack"! EPIC!
    • There isn't a linear path into information security, no need for a degree necessarily

    Quotes

    • "[After] years of being a paralegal, I think like a lawyer and that's helped me very well"
    • "My Google works a little better than other people's Google."
    • Someone once asked Robin, "I've got an hour... can you teach me everything you know?"
    • "Taught myself Assembly by writing a program all in assembly, just to prove to myself that I understood it."

    Links

    • Robin Stuart on Twitter
    • Robin's Upcoming CyberCrime Short Story
    • Robin's Twitter
    • Year Up Program
    • Lexis Nexus DB
    • Shellcoder's Handbook
    • Information Security Handbook by Wiley
    • Reversing
    • Practical Malware Analysis
    • Outro Music

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    Rob Carson - From USMC Infantry Officer to Information Security Officer Nov 06, 2018
    Show notes

    Speaker Bio

    Rob Carson, the founder of Semper Sec, knows how to simplify the problem and deliver solutions.

    His clients base includes:

    • Fortune 200 Companies
    • US Government Contractors
    • State and Local Governments
    • Fuel Retailers
    • Software and hardware manufacturers

    His distinguished career includes service as a Marine Corps Infantry Officer, as well as leading roles in IT and Security. Before devoting his work full-time to facilitating his client's success, he built highly successful information security programs for ISO 27001:2005/2013, PCI, HIPAA, NIST 800-171, GDPR. He also volunteers his time as the Chief Security Officer for BSIDES Las Vegas, a non-profit educational organization designed to advance the body of Information Security.

    Episode Highlights

    • Matt reveals how much he made when he got out of the Marines
    • Matt hilariously talks about the nuances he had to deal with when going to the private sector:
    • Not saying "Sir" and "Madame"
    • Figuring out what to wear
    • How being early is too early

    Quotes

    • "I wasn't getting shot at... I was working in climate control, you know, so people be all stressed out, and I was like, 'Well, no one's going to die.'"
    • "I like to call myself a 'lessons learned enthusiast.'"
    • "The hardest job you'll ever get in infosec is that first step in."
    • "A first sergeant told me your hobbies should reflect part of your career."
    • "You can be outside the box, but you need to stay inside the room."

    Links

    • Sempersec: https://sempersec.com/
    • Rob Carson's LinkedIN Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robcarson1/

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    Matt Toth - From Slinky Network Support Engineer to Security Sales Engineer Oct 30, 2018
    Show notes

    Matt Toth is a Senior Security and Veteran Sales Engineer. Having collaborated with the Department of Defense on War Games and advised senior leaders on possible cyber threats, Matt has two decades of IT experience with a focus on cybersecurity. With a passion for security, Matt is deeply engaged with the community to educate and prepare the next generation of cyber professionals.

    On top of that, he’s a good friend of mine in the industry with solid advice for those looking for a career in Information Security.

    In our chat, Matt breaks down a Sales Engineer’s role, explains his love of conference badges, and gets philosophical on issues related to those trying to make it in the field.

    Episode Highlights:

    • The jack-of-all-trades nature of Sales Engineer work
    • Matt describes one company’s dishonest approach to “AI”
    • How a luxury car and stylish threads can make the wrong impression on your client
    • Con culture and breaking through the shyness barrier
    • Matt delves into #BadgeLife
    • The surprising accuracy of Hackers and Mr. Robot
    • How Matt’s art school’s aspirations shifted to IT
    • InfoSec wargames and the “Russian nesting doll” scenario Matt encountered working with a client
    • Why some companies prefer to live with a security problem rather than attempt to fix it
    • Lastly: Have you been keeping an ear out for my Easter eggs? Listen closely

    Quotes:

    • “I’m here, the customer trusts me to be here, and I’m gonna make sure that when they’re done, they’re happy with the situation so that they never come back and say, ‘Hey dude, you screwed me over.’”
    • “You have to understand that you’re responsible for your own success. You can’t hide because you do have a quota.”
    • “If you really don’t like the technology you’re dealing with, you’re not going to sell it well.”
    • “It’s awesome... [and iconic,] that soundtrack is still incredible! On the way out to BlackHat this year, I watched Hackers on the airplane, and it was freaking me out… all of the attacks… are real world attacks we’re dealing with today still!”
    • “When you’re meeting with your audience, understand who they are and understand what they expect.”
    • “‘Hi, I’m Matt, and I’m an InfoSec addict!’ ‘Hi Matt!’”
    • “If you’re just getting into the industry, recognize that all of us have our skill gaps. There is no one who knows everything.”
    • “My thoughts on certs are, 'do you like to get paid?'”
    • “Most insider threats aren't malicious: they're just people trying to do their job and oftentimes working around the system to try to be more efficient.”

    Links:

    • Matt’s LinkedIn
    • Matt’s Twitter - @willhackforfood
    • Matt’s blog
    • Splunk
    • William Gibson and Neuromancer
    • Grifter and #trevorforget
    • Derbycon

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    Christina Hanson - From HOA Manager to Headfirst Into InfoSec! Oct 22, 2018
    Show notes

    Christina Hanson is a security analyst working for Truvantis Cyber Security Consulting and one of my former boot camp students. She has extensive technical experience and a deep understanding of the collaborative nature of InfoSec, not to mention how women and other underrepresented groups in the community have a more difficult time navigating this industry due to institutional barriers.

    In our discussion, Christina touches on the wide variety of resources and events that helped her enter information security, why teamwork is just as important as technical work, and why InfoSec's responsibilities will continue to grow in the near future.

    Episode Highlights

    • How Christina's aptitude for IT led her down the path to InfoSec
    • The "elective" course Christina took that turned out to be career-changing
    • Why cooperation and group work are so important in InfoSec
    • The "soft skills" needed to work in security
    • Infosec was not her 1st or 2nd career!
    • An overview of Christina's day at Truvantis and how she works with clients
    • Christina's experience at a SANS women's academy and the Day of Shecurity conference
    • Why the InfoSec industry needs contributions from people from all backgrounds and how it benefits from diversity in general
    • The increasing accessibility of conferences and other tech events for those who can't attend
    • InfoSec's important role as companies have more and more access to users' data

    Quotes

    • "I found that just the general atmosphere of security and the overall focus of what you're trying to accomplish was really helpful."
    • "Anything you're gonna do in security, you're gonna do as a team."
    • "Being open to learning new things is really important with this particular field."
    • "Even if I don't understand everything they're talking about, it gives me at least a start and a basic understanding that I can then research later."
    • "Being a professional in this field, it's so important that we are able to make other people safe."

    Links:

    • Christina's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christinahanson461/
    • Day of Shecurity: https://www.dayofshecurity.com/
    • SANS Women's Academy: https://www.sans.org/cyb
    • Merritt College: http://www.merritt.edu/
    • Dr. Johannes Ullrich: https://twitter.com/johullrich
    • SANS Daily Podcast: https://isc.sans.edu/podcast.html
    • The Cyberwire Podcasts: https://isc.sans.edu/podcast.html
    • OWASP: https://www.owasp.org
    • Amanda Rousseau (@malwareunicorn): https://twitter.com/malwareunicorn
    • Dead Drop SF: https://www.meetup.com/Dead-Drop-SF/

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    0day - From "Geek Squad" tech to DevSecOps Oct 15, 2018
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    0day (“Zero Day”) is a security researcher who specializes in distributed systems security.

    Throughout his career journey through a "Geek Squad"-like service at Circuit City ("Firedog") to trading floors and corporate information security, he’s amassed significant experience in the industry. He is an example of how security consciousness is important even before you're an official security "pro."

    In our conversation, 0day discusses getting into computers as an inner-city kid, acknowledging how our hangups can affect the growth of InfoSec, the benefits of older technology, and much more.

    Episode Highlights

    • 0day defines distributed systems and how he and his team ensure they remain secure

    • How his first hacking experience arose out of necessity

    • The inner-city program that fostered 0day’s early interest in computer systems

    • How the Modem Age's less-advanced technology gave him a clearer understanding of how computers and the Internet worked

    • How Circuit City allowed o take his first step into the professional tech world

    • His first taste of information security dealing with his company’s most dissatisfied clients

    • Tracking down a security vulnerability through a coworker’s NSFW browsing habits

    • Thoughts on the modern security industry and how it could be improved

    • The importance of getting over prejudices and mentoring those coming into InfoSec

    • Book and conference recommendations for those starting out or interested in the industry.

    • Average routine at his current job

    • Why computer science alone isn’t a solid enough background to get into InfoSec

    • Advice for overcoming shyness at your first security conference


    Quotes

    • “The malware I came across in those days, I still don’t see anything as unique.”

    • “We should really reach out to a wider swath of society to give them an interest in information security.”

    • “We, as a community, need to be less exclusionary by default and be willing to look at some of these candidates who we are ignoring just for the sake of our feelings toward a particular certification or particular path.”

    • “We, as people who are more seasoned in the industry, now have the responsibility to also make ourselves available to those who are coming into the industry.”

    • “When you take away some of the complexity, it makes it more difficult for someone to understand the underlying constructs, but at the same time, it makes it easier for them to access so there has to be a balance.”

    • “As you start to get really familiar with anything, you can see both the dark side and the light side of it.”

    • “We, as professionals, have some responsibility to disseminate correct, accurate knowledge.”


    Links

    • 0day’s Twitter account: https://twitter.com/0daysimpson

    • Youtube talk about Twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRYOQeJng50

    • Outro: "Cyber Sunset"


    Getting Into Infosec:

    • Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

    • YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg6gV_gdfc188HZdN8LUx4A

    • Book: https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Step-Step-Starting-Information-ebook/dp/B07N15GTPC/


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