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    Getting Into Infosec

    Interviews with people who have transitioned and got jobs in #infosec and #cybersecurity so you can learn and be inspired from their experience. There is no linear path into the field of Information Security, so the hope is that you will resonate with at least one of the guests. Some of my guests were teachers, paralegals, librarians, military vets, developers, and IT help desk techs (to name a few) before transitioning. Also featuring “spoof” ads poking fun at the industry.

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    Copyright: © 2020 Ayman Elsawah

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    ICS Gabe - Electrical Engineer to Accidental Cybersecurity ICS Expert Oct 10, 2020
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    Gabriel Agboruche (@ICS_Gabe) is a senior ICS and OT cybersecurity consultant, helping organizations solve their most challenging industrial control security problems. And that was a mouthful, but that's what he does. His journey's unique one, and almost didn't happen.

    Notes

    • Gabe was a math whiz in the Detroit Public school system
    • During college, he had some unique experiences as an African American, one of which was due to him being the top of his class
    • Gabe was an electrical engineer working at a nuclear facility, then #Stuxnet happened
    • The demand for cybersecurity skills combined with his experience and love for growth paved the way for where he is today.

    Quotes

    • "All these systems are air-gapped by regulatory guidance."
    • "I'm here for my education. I'm going to get this education. And not even necessarily prove this person wrong, but I'm going to be here and do what I have to do in order to get where I desire to be."
    • "He's like, wow, you're the first black guy that I have ever seen in person."
    • "I almost rushed with him for one (a fra)."
    • " I saw that I would gain a greater exposure to a lot more technologies within my field. I get to see different plants. I get to touch different areas."

    Links

    • Twitter: @ICS_Gabe
    • ICS with Gabe Podcast
    • Darknet Diaries Triton Episode
    • An Episode with Jack Rhysider

    Getting Into Infosec Info

    • Breaking IN: A Practical Guide to Starting a Career in Information Security: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N15GTPC/
    • T-Shirts, Mugs, and more: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/shop/
    • Stay in touch and sign up for sneak peeks, updates, and commentary: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/subscribe
    • Ayman on Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

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    BONUS - Lisa Jiggetts - Salary Negotiations Aug 15, 2020
    Show notes

    Lisa Jiggetts is the founder of the Women's Society Of Cyberjutsu. After recording, we continued talking and the topic of salary negotiations came up. It was so good I started recording again. This topic is super important. I have seen both experienced and inexperienced people make these mistakes.

    Links

    • Salary Negotiation Tips: https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what-can-employers-say-about-former-employees-2059608 (see the video too)
    • Lisa on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lisajiggetts
    • A recruiter's comment on the topic: https://twitter.com/Zavala_CyberSN/status/1294398519994773505

    Getting Into Infosec

    • Ask A Question: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/ask
    • Website: https://gettingintoinfosec.com
    • Ayman on Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman
    • Breaking IN Book: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/book
    • Join My Mailing List: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/list

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    Switching Into Infosec Success Story And Lessons Learned Jul 16, 2020
    Show notes

    Today's episode features a story that was sent to me by a listener. He reached out to me on LinkedIn, telling me of his success story posted on Reddit. This is the audio version. I think you're going to be really interested in what he had to say. He talks about his struggles and what he went through in his journey to Information Security.

    Original Reddit post:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ITCareerQuestions/comments/fw44sg/career_change_success_story_starting_my_first/

    Getting Into Infosec Links:

    • Site: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/
    • Book: https://breakingintoinfosec.com/
    • Follow Me Twitter For More Resources To Help You On Your Journey: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

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    Black Lives Matter Jun 01, 2020
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    Hey everyone…

    So, as if this time was not hard enough as it was with Covid, the American Black community has been affected yet again.

    It's difficult to post motivating content while so many are feeling a sense of outrage and so much going on. So I'm going to pause, slow down, or at least take into consideration the posting of new content during this period. Of course, people still need to work, so I can't stop completely, and I do have episodes coming down the pipe.

    There's a personal story I want to share related to this.

    A friend and I were driving once, but he realized he left his wallet at home, which had his driver's license. I said, "Not a big deal. They can just look you up if you get pulled over." He then looked at me, and I then figured it out: he's black.

    It hit me then how privileged of a life I had. It then hit me how scary driving while back really is. I may not be white, Christian, and from the suburbs, but I'm not black and male.

    I may not have the best things to say at this moment, but I realize staying silent isn't an option. I don't have a TV, and I'm not on Twitter often, but the little I did see made me realize silence or status quo is almost as bad.

    Diversity and inclusion are an integral part of this podcast. I've never called it out as I just wanted my lineup to speak for itself. Many of my guests are black. For the longest time, it was rare to see a brown or black person at a security conference. It was quite lonely.

    For listeners outside of the US, please try to empathize with whatever social divide you have in your country. It could be the religious minority in your country, the darker-skinned, those of a "lower" social caste, the poor, or whomever it may be. There are always those that are marginally suppressed or oppressed.

    So….

    I stand with the Black community against racism, violence, and hate. Now, more than ever, we must support one another as allies and speak up for justice and equality.

    #BlackLivesMatter

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    Website: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/

    Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

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    BONUS - Announcing Getting Into Infosec BITES May 14, 2020
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    Hello! Wanted to let you know I'm creating daily (almost) videos on YouTube called Getting Into Infosec BITES: https://www.youtube.com/c/gettingintoinfosec

    Please like, subscribe, and spread the word.

    The best thing you can do to support this media is to spread the word and let others know. Thanks!

    Links:

    • Site: http://gettingintoinfosec.com/
    • Book: http://breakingintoinfosec.com/
    • Twitter: https://twitter.com/coffeewithayman

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    Kavya Pearlman - From Hairstylist to CISO to XR Superhero Apr 18, 2020
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    Kavya Pearlman is an award-winning cybersecurity professional with a deep interest in immersive and emerging technologies. Kavya is the founder of the non-profit XR Safety Initiative (XRSI). XRSI is the first global effort to promote privacy, security, ethics, and develop standards and guidelines for Virtual Reality, Augmented Reality, and Mixed Reality (VR/AR/MR), collectively known as XR.

    Kavya is constantly exploring new technologies to solve current cybersecurity challenges.

    Quotes:

    • "Money, money, money. How much money [are] you going to make? I was so put off. No, it's not about money. I really just want to learn."
    • "What would you become when you grow up? I would be a D.I.G. (Deputy Inspector General)."
    • "This country needs me. This world needs me."
    • "You owe it to yourself to explore this little itch, and figure out whether this is your passion or not."
    • "You will inevitably make (sometimes) bad decisions."
    • "Technical support IS security."
    • "I don't think anyone read that [report], but then it gave me some satisfaction that this is awesome. I can actually take what I'm learning and apply it to the job."
    • "Believe in yourself. Not just for information security."

    Links:

    • Kavya Pearlman - https://twitter.com/KavyaPearlman
    • XRSI - https://www.xrsi.org/
    • Caroline Wong - https://twitter.com/carolinewmwong
    • Steve Hunt [22:17] - https://twitter.com/Steve_Hunt

    Getting Into Infosec:

    • Breaking IN: A Practical Guide to Starting a Career in Information Security: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N15GTPC/
    • T-Shirts, Mugs, and more: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/shop/
    • Stay in touch and sign up for sneak peeks, updates, and commentary: https://pages.gettingintoinfosec.com/subscribe

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    BONUS - Pandemic and The Coming Recession / Depression Apr 02, 2020
    Show notes

    We are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic (COVID-19), a recession is here, a depression might be coming, and everyone is remote! Everything has changed. What can you do? How can you find a job in these crazy times? What are the challenges? How can you make yourself valuable? What's going through the company or hiring manager's mind?

    Please share or leave an awesome review if you found this helpful.

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    Syntax - Arrested Teenager to Motorcycle Racer To Pentester Mar 10, 2020
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    Syntax, an internal pentester for a large organization, had an interesting ride into infosec, filled with pitstops, detours, and countersteering along the way. At an early age, he was influenced by his father, got started hacking, and was wrongfully arrested for reporting a vulnerability in his High School. Hear his exciting journey into infosec, filled with life lessons.

    Shownotes

    • Was arrested in High School for disclosing a vulnerability in the school IT system
    • Went to college for computer science, but dropped out
    • Inspired by the movie hackers
    • His first computer had a 1MB hard drive (yes, not a typo!)
    • Still went to Defcon even when he was not in IT or working in security
    • Was a professional motorcycle racer
    • Kept all his rejection letters as a way of motivation to keep going
    • Had some business and entrepreneurial experience in the past, which helped him get back into the field
    • Got back into security through… IT!

    Quotes

    • "A lot of our time is spent arguing with the other departments and justifying our findings." [2:58]
    • "Is this cross-site scripting really a problem?"
    • "I get stuck a lot… it's kind of the nature of the beast." [5:17]
    • "I'm not going to work in tech again." [12:21]
    • "You're a motorcycle mechanic… why should we hire you?"[19:07]
    • "It's my hacker family. These are my people. Everyone in security, they make sense to me, cause they're all kinda like me." [19:41]
    • "I kept getting [these] projects coming my way and I constantly said, 'YES.'" [22:07]
    • "Have you done this before? … no, but I'll learn!" [25:06]"
    • "Because I had that mindset… I was seeing [from a] different [perspective] than other analysts." [26:00]

    Links

    • Syntax on Twitter: https://twitter.com/syntax976
    • DCZIA: http://dczia.net/
    • Queercon: https://www.queercon.org/
    • Outro Music: "Pure Decking" by Patient Zero from the album "Screen Saviour" her link is http://patientzero.bandcamp.com and she is @DoctorKraft on the Twitter

    Getting Into Infosec

    • Breaking IN: A Practical Guide to Starting a Career in Information Security: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N15GTPC/
    • T-Shirts, Mugs, and more: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/shop/
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    Bonus - Cyber Security Job Search Frustrations (Ivan) Mar 07, 2020
    Show notes

    These are quick hallway conversations with recent graduates discussing the difficulties they've faced in their job search. I did not know any of these people before interviewing, and it's the first time I'm asking them these questions. This was recorded at RSA Conference 2020.

    Getting Into Infosec:

    • Breaking IN: A Practical Guide to Starting a Career in Information Security: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N15GTPC/
    • T-Shirts, Mugs, and more: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/shop/
    • Sign up for sneak peeks, updates, and commentary: https://pages.gettingintoinfosec.com/subscribe

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    Bonus - Cyber Security Job Search Frustrations (Zoe) Mar 06, 2020
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    These are quick hallway conversations with recent graduates discussing the difficulties they've faced in their job search. I did not know any of these people before interviewing, and it's the first time I'm asking them these questions. This was recorded at RSA Conference 2020.

    Getting Into Infosec:

    • Breaking IN: A Practical Guide to Starting a Career in Information Security: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N15GTPC/
    • T-Shirts, Mugs, and more: https://gettingintoinfosec.com/shop/
    • Sign up for sneak peaks, updates, and commentary: https://pages.gettingintoinfosec.com/subscribe

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