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    Florida’s Fourth Estate

    Florida’s Fourth Estate looks at everything from swampy politics to a fragile environment and even the crazy headlines that make Florida the craziest state in the Union. Ginger Gadsden and Matt Austin use decades of experience as journalists to dissect the headlines that impact Florida. Each week they have a guest host who helps give an irreverent look at the issues impacting the Sunshine State. Big influencers like Attorney John Morgan, renowned Florida journalists and the scientists protecting Florida’s ecosystem can often be found as guests. Look for new episodes every week, and visit ClickOrlando.com for the latest WKMG News 6 coverage of Orlando and beyond.

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    Legendary football coach Lou Holtz shares his secret to success Feb 12, 2024
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    Lou Holtz is famous for his incredible college coaching career, which included leading six different programs to bowl games, helping the Fighting Irish secure 100 wins, and then embarking on an enviable career as a sports analyst.

    When you get into a room with him, he is as humble, funny and sincere as they come.

    News 6 Insiders and other viewers were invited into the room as Florida’s Fourth Estate hosted a live recording with Holtz at Miller’s Ale House in Winter Park Village.

    He talked to podcast hosts Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden about what keeps him humble, his time coaching Notre Dame, and the current state of college football.

    Austin asked, “I’m fascinated, coach, to ask you where you think college football is headed, because as a fan it’s been frustrating to see these teams — it seems like the players I root for one year are gone the next year, money is playing a big role, what are your thoughts on how college football is going?”

    “I think an athlete should be paid if he works at McDonald’s, but not to go to college. Not to go to college. You go to college to get an education. It’s a 40-year decision, not four. You pick out the school you want to be part of the rest of your life, and you go do that, and to get paid for that is setting the wrong perspective,” Holtz said.

    He said he made $95,000 a year at Notre Dame, but feels the approach to coaching and playing has changed since he was on the field.

    “I think that coaches followed the money, then the players are following the money, now the schools are following the money,” Holtz said. “Florida State is talking about leaving the ACC, because the SEC just got $51 million per team.”

    When it comes to the transfer portal, Holtz called it the “worst thing that’s ever happened.”

    “There is nothing wrong with being patient and proven, waiting your turn, and being ready when you get that opportunity,” he said.

    According to Holtz, hopping from college to college is not what football is all about, and that it is causing fans — including himself — to turn away from the sport.

    “I’m starting to lose interest in it because I can’t tell who plays for who,” Holtz said.

    However, he said he remains optimistic something will be done to slow athletes from jumping from team to team so often.

    When he talks about his time as a coach, you can tell Holtz is still passionate about making an impact. He said that if given the opportunity today, “I would like to coach anywhere that I could do it physically.”

    And if he was at the helm again, he wouldn’t be taking it easy.

    Holtz told News 6 Insiders, “The biggest mistake that leaders make and parents make... they lower the standards for their children to try to keep them happy. What you do is raise the standard then teach them how to reach that standard.”

    He said part of that is focusing on the details.

    “You win because you do the little things the right way. Everybody does big things, winners do the little things. The shoe was lost, the horse was lost, because the horse was lost, the rider was lost, because the rider was lost, the message was lost, because the message was lost the battle was lost, because the battle was lost the war was lost, because of the little thing,” Holtz said.

    As for the coaches coming after him, he freely shared what helped him to be a success. Holtz said when he accepted the head coaching job at Notre Dame he was told leadership involved having a vision for where you want the organization to go, leading by example, and holding people accountable for the choices they make.

    He said throughout his life he chose to prioritize his faith, his family, and then football.

    “I don’t care what you achieve in this world, I don’t care how much money you make, if you aren’t successful as a husband and a father, you failed,” he said.

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    Florida’s Fourth Estate celebrates 200th episode Feb 09, 2024
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    News 6 anchors Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden debuted Florida’s Fourth Estate on Oct. 10, 2018.

    They said when they realized how good their chemistry was on the news set, they started thinking of a fun way to get stories to people outside of the traditional newscast.

    They sat down in a conference room, started talking about the headlines in our state, pulled out a cell phone and started recording. They soon realized those off-the-cuff conversations about the things that interested them would be a good way for others to stay informed when they weren’t in front of the TV.

    And Florida’s Fourth Estate was born.

    Now, more than five years later, they are celebrating their 200th episode and taking a look back at some of their favorite moments.

    That includes an interview with a researcher who spent 100 days underwater only to find out all of that pressure left him half an inch shorter. Months after shooting that episode they learned, he had not regained that height.

    Another favorite is a young inventor who created a visor with the potential to help up to 2.2 billion people who struggle with vision problems. It uses haptic feedback to alert users they are approaching something so they can have better mobility without using a cane. Since that interview, Tiffani Gay has announced she is working to help other young inventors bring their ideas to fruition.

    No one can forget the Fruitland Park cowboy, Clayton Sellars, and how he made Ginger swoon as he shared highlights from his bull riding career. Ginger said she has no regrets about asking Sellars about his swagger and even bought Matt the same hat Sellars wore in the interview during a Christmas gift exchange.

    They have talked to several celebrities during their time on the podcast, but one of their favorites was Carrot Top. The Winter Park native has been making people laugh in Las Vegas for years and had Matt and Ginger cracking up too, but the duo said they were also impressed with how down-to-earth he is and how generous he was with his time.

    Check out some of their other favorite moments over the years on Florida’s Fourth Estate. You can download the podcast from wherever you listen to podcasts or watch anytime on News 6+.

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    Disney’s greatest myths debunked: Separating fact from fiction Feb 05, 2024
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    Whether it’s off-the-wall weird or business-related, anytime there is a question about the theme parks, especially Disney World, News 6 producer Ken Pilcher has the answer.

    He is not only a lifelong Floridian and Disney historian, but he also helped bring you all the special coverage News 6 had on Disney’s 50th anniversary. Add to that his mom was the woman at the center of coordinating Walt Disney’s announcement that the theme park was coming to Central Florida and it’s clear Disney is in Pilcher’s blood.

    So, Florida’s Fourth Estate hosts Matt Austin, and Ginger Gadsden invited him on the podcast to separate fact from fiction and debunk some of the craziest myths they have heard about The Most Magical Place on Earth.

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    Casey Anthony case: Former forensic investigator shares information ‘never explained in the trial’ Feb 05, 2024
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    Gerardo Bloise took the stand in the Casey Anthony murder trial to discuss evidence he processed from her car.

    He told Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden on the Florida’s Fourth Estate podcast that it smelled like something was decomposing in the vehicle.

    He said this case is something that has weighed heavy on him for years and by writing a book about it he hopes to let people see evidence that was “never explained at trial”.

    He said that includes, “How long Caylee was inside the trunk, what really killed Caylee, and why the human remains were found in the wooded area near the Casey Anthony residence, those questions, right now I have the answers for everybody, that never was told, in my book.”

    Bloise stressed there was a lot of evidence that was never presented at trial. But, that the evidence that he presented was enough for the jury to convict Anthony of murder.

    “In my opinion we didn’t fail, in my opinion the jurors failed our community, failed Caylee,” Bloise said.

    He said he hopes the pictures, timelines, and descriptions in “CSI The Casey Anthony Child Murder Case” will help the public to come to a more fully educated decision on the case and that they will stand in stark contrast to some of the statements Casey has made in the public since she was found not guilty.

    “Casey is a pathological liar”, she proved to this community that she lied and lied and lied. She was a liar and is still a liar,” said Bloise.

    The former investigator for the Orange County Sheriff’s Office said during his time as a law enforcement officer he had to be objective, but now as a private citizen he feels her words have been anything but honest.

    Bloise said in addition to shedding new light on the case his book will help get results for missing children through the The Missing Child Project.

    You can learn more about the case and Bloise’s book on Florida’s Fourth Estate. Hosts Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden have also spoken to the judge at the center of the case. Both episodes are available now. Just download the episodes from wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also listen to Florida’s Fourth Estate anytime on News 6+.

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    Florida adrenaline junkies find success in extreme skydiving Feb 05, 2024
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    Curt and Jeannie Bartholomew’s jobs are anything but ordinary.

    They are both competitive skydivers with a combined 22,500 jumps and belong to a DeLand-based team with the most world titles in the history of the sport.

    So, what exactly is competitive skydiving?

    “It’s called canopy piloting and our slang term for that is called swooping,” Jeannie Bartholomew told Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden on the Florida’s Fourth Estate podcast.

    “Basically we take the smallest parachutes that they make and we dive them at the ground going 100 miles per hour, bring the parachute out of the dive, go across the water and navigate different courses over a body of water and basically we have four different events that we compete in.”

    They start at a much lower altitude than regular skydivers and say it takes about two-and-a-half minutes from jump to touching the ground.

    Curt Bartholomew has the most individual world titles in the event.

    “This is one of the best places to skydive in the country,” said Bartholomew. He points to Florida’s year-round warmth for being the reason he decided to stay in the Sunshine State after graduating from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.

    Jeannie Bartholomew wanted to skydive since she was six years old after seeing her older sister do a tandem jump.

    “When I saw the video, I started making my own parachutes out of sheets, blankets, pillowcases, Mary Poppins umbrella — I jumped off of everything and drove my parents crazy,” said Bartholomew.

    Even with their room of medals and trophies, the Bartholomews do not earn a living off competitive skydiving.

    Most of their paid gigs involve coaching, tandem jumps, shooting videos and training with the military in Sebastian, FL.

    You can learn more about the Bartholomews’ competitive skydiving career, including the technique behind their 18-person jump in Dubai on Florida’s Fourth Estate. Just download the episodes from wherever you listen to podcasts. You can also listen to Florida’s Fourth Estate anytime on News 6+.

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    Death-free taxidermy: Florida man using new method to mount memories Jan 19, 2024
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    Bob Brown, the owner of Brown’s Taxidermy, started stuffing birds and other animals back in the 1970s, but he quickly realized mounting fish for people making big catches on chartered boats here in Florida was a more lucrative business.

    At first, he said he did taxidermy the old-school way.

    “A lot of times when they would bring us fish, we were just beginning, so we would make molds off of the original fish, which entailed taking the guts out of the fish and stuffing it back with some sawdust so it would take its shape again, then we would pose it in sand, put Plaster of Paris around the edges, once that plaster dries, we would actually fiberglass the fish.”

    Once the fiberglass mold was finished they would throw out the fish, create a replica, and then mount that for their clients.

    Now after decades of working in the business, Brown said he has accumulated about five thousand molds. So, instead of having fishermen bring in their catch, they can just take a picture, measure the fish, and send him the details.

    After that Brown and his sons get to work. They create the shape, paint, seal and mount the fish replicas, then ship them all over the world.

    Brown said his new way of doing business is gaining in popularity for many reasons.

    “It’s been a big selling point for conservation these days with the dwindling of the fish stocks,” he said.

    His business plan allows people to preserve their memories when they are doing catch-and-release fishing. Brown said he plans to pass his business, located just across the street from the port at Cape Canaveral, down to his sons.

    To learn more about Brown’s Taxidermy check out Florida’s Fourth Estate.

    You can download the app from wherever you listen to podcasts or watch anytime on News 6+.

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    From circus fan to star performer: one woman’s journey Jan 12, 2024
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    Like many people, Lauren Irving first experienced the circus as a child.

    “I remember watching the trapeze act, and the smell of the popcorn and just the lights, you know, everything and how I felt. I felt so inspired,” Irving said.

    Little did she know, years later, that she would be helping to lead that show.

    She told Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden on Florida’s Fourth Estate she is one of three people who helps to guide the audience through the experience.

    She plays the character of Aria but said she gets to bring a lot of her personality into the role as well.

    She said her experience doing a Broadway show on the Norwegian Cruise Line, and performing at Walt Disney World and Universal Studios Orlando prepared her for the position.

    Beyond her current role, she said she is also trying to learn to juggle because she is inspired by all of the talent around her.

    The show — which used to feature a variety of animals, including elephants — has changed its act and now focuses on what Irving called “human ability.”

    She said it brings together people from dozens of countries pushing themselves to their limits to bring a smile to the people who come out and watch them perform.

    The acts include a record-breaking unicyclist, musicians, tightrope walkers, jugglers and more.

    Irving said she loves to see how much everybody is enjoying it, much like she did as a young girl.

    “You see people who you can tell they have been to Ringling before and then they are bringing their children,” she said

    “The Greatest Show on Earth” will be in Orlando at the Kia Center from Jan. 12-15. Tickets are on sale starting at $25.

    To learn more about the woman helping to keep the new and re-imagined circus running smoothly, and about Matt’s secret skills that could qualify him as a circus performer check out Florida’s Fourth Estate.

    You can download the podcast from wherever you listen to podcasts or watch it anytime on News 6+.

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    How a fight over beer landed Walt Disney World in Orlando instead of St. Louis Jan 05, 2024
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    Walt Disney World is part of the fabric of Florida, but did you know the theme park almost ended up in St. Louis instead of Orlando?

    University of Central Florida History professor Dr. Jim Clark said Walt Disney had his eye on the “Show Me” state well before he began eyeing the “Sunshine State”.

    But a fight over beer changed everything.

    After successfully introducing the public to Disneyland in California, Clark said Disney was looking for a second location.

    The animation mogul considered Niagra Falls and another area near Washington, D.C.

    “They seemed to settle on St. Louis for a different kind of attraction, kind of incorporating the city and the Mississippi and Walt got into a disagreement with Augie Busch — the family that owned Anheuser-Busch, makers of Busch beer and Budweiser — and basically Augie Busch said to Walt, ‘Hey you are not coming to St. Louis if you are not serving beer,’ and he wanted the beer concession and Walt said, ‘We are not going to serve any beer or liquor in the Magic Kingdom’ and it kind of went downhill from there. And literally, they had the dinner the night before, Augie Busch made a comment, and they were supposed to sign the papers the next morning, and Walt called it off, so it was that close.”

    Clark said Busch was greatly insulted.

    “That was his thing. I mean, he had the beer concession for the football teams, for the baseball teams, and here was this major thing coming to St. Louis telling him, ‘No, we don’t want your product in our theme park,’” Clark said.

    But Disney wasn’t budging.

    “Walt was worried that it was going to end up kinda like a carnival or a county fair or something like that and he did not want drinking in his park,” Clark said.

    To learn more about how Disney chose Orlando over other cities competing for the theme park check out Florida’s Fourth Estate. You can download the podcast from wherever you listen to podcasts or watch anytime on News 6+.

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    Top 5 gifts everyone is asking for this Christmas Dec 18, 2023
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    If you still haven’t finished your Christmas shopping, you are not alone, but with just days left until the holiday, the clock is ticking.

    So, Florida’s Fourth Estate hosts Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden are helping you identify some of the top gifts people are asking for this year.

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    How Florida Sheriff went from disliking police to becoming the top cop Dec 15, 2023
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    Sheriff Mike Chitwood gets real about his journey to becoming a law enforcement officer.


    He talks about how his relationship with his own Dad influenced his choice, why he is not afraid to take on controversial issues, and how his family has been impacted by his job.

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