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    Florida’s Fourth Estate

    Florida’s Fourth Estate looks at everything from swampy politics to a fragile environment and even the crazy headlines that make Florida the craziest state in the Union. Ginger Gadsden and Matt Austin use decades of experience as journalists to dissect the headlines that impact Florida. Each week they have a guest host who helps give an irreverent look at the issues impacting the Sunshine State. Big influencers like Attorney John Morgan, renowned Florida journalists and the scientists protecting Florida’s ecosystem can often be found as guests. Look for new episodes every week, and visit ClickOrlando.com for the latest WKMG News 6 coverage of Orlando and beyond.

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    Mooo-ve over store-bought steaks: How you can buy beef directly from the pasture Dec 06, 2022
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    You can skip the grocery store and buy a local grass-fed cow right from the ranch.

    Jeremy and Jill Barton run Barton Beef in Bunnell. The couple says getting your beef from their Flagler County ranch means fewer antibiotics in your beef and could mean big savings too.

    The duo joined Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden to talk more about it on Florida’s Fourth Estate.

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    Daddy-daughter treasure hunters strike gold on Florida coastline Nov 28, 2022
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    Hurricane Nicole devastated parts of Florida’s coastline, but it also churned up the sea and spit out long-lost treasure.

    While the wind was still whipping our state, Jonah Martinez and his daughter, Kaylee Martinez, set their sights on the sand.

    “When the cold fronts or the hurricanes come up, we usually get an opportunity to go out there and look for stuff that has been lost. Mother Nature does a job and erodes the sand away and if you are in the right place at the right time, you never know what you are going to find,” Jonah Martinez said.

    The pair said they found a lot of junk, but they also uncovered gold coins.

    Florida’s Fourth Estate host Ginger Gadsden asked them if they “found a sweet spot, and where is it?”

    But co-host Matt Austin chimed in before they could dish out the details, saying, “I’m not going to let you answer that.”

    “Through the 30 years of doing this, I have found many sweet spots and I can tell you that when I find them, they are sweet and when I leave them there is not much for anyone else to find,” Jonah Martinez said.

    But he added you can look around online to find information on how to succeed at finding treasures along the coast like he has.

    “Little by little, Kaylee’s got involved with this and it’s kind of something now that we are doing and she’s just having fun with it too,” he added.

    And she’s not just having fun; her Dad said she also uncovered several coins.

    “It was a totally new feeling, just holding this piece of treasure and this piece of history that hasn’t been held in 300 years,” she said. “It’s just mind-boggling.”

    Her dad said it’s an incredible find, especially considering how often he goes out to search for treasure and comes up empty-handed.

    “The chances that you actually do are very, very slim, so you gotta have that “no-finds” or the “treas-aren’ts” before you have the “treas-are,” Jonah Martinez said.

    It was a pun that left his daughter with her hand palmed to her face.

    Along the way, Jonah Martinez said he has also found “wedding rings, GoPros, sunglasses, cellphones, hand grenades, bullets... World War II stuff” and more.

    But his best find was back in 2015 when he said he uncovered about $6.5 million worth of gold coins.

    Learn more about the Daddy-Daughter Hurricane Treasure Hunters on Florida’s Fourth Estate. You can download it from wherever you listen to podcasts.

    You can also watch it anytime on News 6+.

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    Lampooning Florida politics Nov 21, 2022
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    Hosts Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden poke fun at some of the memorable moments in Florida politics.

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    What does it mean when I fall in my dreams? Nov 18, 2022
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    Most of us have been there: You have a dream and you wake up struck by how real it felt. But why did you have that dream?

    An Orlando-based mental health counselor says he is helping people figure it out all, while at the same time improving their mental and physical health.

    Jesse Lyon describes himself as a Clinical Hypnotherapist and Dream Interpreter who helps people work through the trauma they face in their day-to-day life by analyzing the dreams they have at night.

    “One of the symptoms of trauma are post-traumatic nightmares, and so helping people learn what those nightmares are, trying to teach them and really helping them unlock their mental health through the messages from their mind, is what I am all about,” Lyon said.

    He says while there are naysayers, there’s also a lot of research to support what he does.

    “The research is just astounding -- how many research articles, how many scientific papers have been written about dreams and their connection with mental health,” Lyon said.

    He also says there are a lot of myths surrounding dreams.

    “The falling and hitting the ground -- big myth -- it’s not going to hurt you, but there is some really great research behind it. What we have researched and found is two things: there can be kind of a physical interpretation and an emotional interpretation,” Lyon said.

    He says the emotional side can be attached to us feeling like we have not reached our goals, but the physical ones may happen because you are experiencing a blood sugar drop.

    If you think you don’t have dreams, Lyon says you actually do, you just may have forgotten them by the time you open your eyes.

    “Everyone dreams. The research is very conclusive,” says Lyon.

    “Every time you go to sleep you go through many phases of sleep -- in each of those, you have dreams. Those dreams can be different based on the phase, but everybody dreams. The big problem, though, is that many people don’t remember their dreams when they wake up, so it’s a memory issue not a dreaming or not dreaming issue,” says Lyon.

    Lyon says he has found a lot of success with his message on TikTok and through his website.

    You can hear more from Lyon as he discusses his business and future plans on Florida’s Fourth Estate. The podcast can be downloaded from wherever you listen to podcasts.

    You can also watch it anytime on News 6+.

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    So much homecoming hate Nov 14, 2022
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    News 6 anchors Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden discuss a viral post made by Matt about his daughters.

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    American Ghost Adventures founder tells how she made peace with spirit world Oct 28, 2022
    Show notes

    This week on Florida’s Fourth Estate, hosts Ginger Gadsden and Matt Austin continue to explore the spirit world as we get closer to Halloween.

    Austin and Gadsden’s guest, Ting Rappa, said we have to be open to the idea we are not alone.

    Talking to Rappa about the paranormal is eerily comforting. Perhaps that explains why for 18 years now the company she founded, American Ghost Adventures, has been so successful.

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    ‘If these walls could talk, they would scream:’ Frightful history of St. Augustine’s Old Jail Oct 21, 2022
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    What is it about being terrified that brings people so much joy?

    Why do some relish thrills so chilling it could lead to heart palpitations?

    This is certainly the time of year curiosity gets the best of anyone looking for a scary good time.

    When you think of creepy stories — whether in real life or in the movies — strange, unexplained things almost always happen in places that have stood the test of time. They are old, musty and mysterious.

    Think of the creepy hotel in The Shining, the mansion in The House on Haunted Hill or the house in The Amityville Horror.

    All places that send a chill up the spine just thinking about them.

    This week on Florida’s Fourth Estate, hosts Matt Austin and Ginger Gadsden get the haunting details on what is considered to be one of, if not the most haunted cities in America: St. Augustine.

    The man brave enough to pull back the curtain on the dark side this haunting season is Stephen Mitchell. Mitchell, with Historic Tours of America, knows about things that go bump in the night in St. Augustine because he has been bumped by a spirit or two while working at the Old Jail in St. Augustine.

    Mitchell has been featured on shows that conduct paranormal investigations and St. Augustine is a hot spot.

    Mitchell said while doing research on ghost tours in America he discovered the first ghost tours may have started in St. Augustine.

    “There is so much history and so much happens, people come looking for the ghosts and they have been for much longer than we’ve had ghost tours,” he said. “But the ghost stories keep building and building and so much keeps happening there it’s no wonder that hundreds of tours go out on any given night all over the city. It’s really incredible.”

    One of those takes place at the Old Jail on San Marcos Avenue, just north of downtown.

    It served the city from 1891 to 1953 and housed some of the most violent criminals within its walls.

    A tourist attraction now but at one point the Old Jail carried out capital punishments in public. It should come as no surprise when Mitchell explains there are nightly sightings and encounters with spirits and dark energies at the jail.

    Mitchell said each night there is a paranormal investigation being conducted.

    “Every night people are in there from midnight until two o’clock looking for the ghosts, looking for evidence, looking for a sign of some sort of paranormal activity because in that building something happens at least once every 24 hours that nobody can explain. It is truly and certifiably, incredibly haunted,” he said.

    Mitchell has had his own encounters with dark forces in the Old Jail. He said he has come across things he can’t explain, like the time he was pushed down some stairs.

    “I was going up the staircase, it was late in the day and all of a sudden I was stopped. I could feel that push right on my chest as it pushed me backward right back down the stairs. I didn’t get hurt. I didn’t fall entirely. I was able to catch myself, turn around and run the rest of the way,” he said.

    If you would like to hear more about the local haunts in St. Augustine take a tour and experience the unknown for yourself. Click here for more information.

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    Orlando radio host, actor Carlos Navarro discusses road to Hollywood and back again Oct 18, 2022
    Show notes

    Carlos Navarro is one of the voices behind “Monsters in the Morning” on Real Radio 104.1, but you may recognize him from “The Walking Dead” and the Marvel Studios series “Hawkeye,” too.

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    A look at making of ‘Billy Flanigan: The Happiest Man on Earth’ Oct 03, 2022
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    ‘Billy Flanigan: The Happiest Man on Earth’ follows Disney World’s longest contracted performer, Billy Flanigan, as he cycles seven thousand miles cross-country delivering ‘Flanigrams’ to friends and family when theme parks and businesses were shut down at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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    Abigail Disney tells all in new documentary Sep 16, 2022
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    It’s a pretty tall order to live up to when you’re known as the Happiest Place on Earth.

    Is it just hyperbole or do some people—young and not so young—experience a bit of nirvana topped with pixie dust as soon as they cross the threshold of a Disney theme park and get a glimpse of Mickey and Minnie?

    Depends on who you ask.

    On this episode of Florida’s Fourth Estate, hosts Ginger Gadsden and Matt Austin speak with Dr. Abigail Disney, whose grandfather was Roy Disney and great-uncle was Walt Disney. They are the two men who built Disneyland in Anaheim, California, and Disney World in Orlando, Florida.

    Abigail Disney is quick to point out you would be hard-pressed to find anyone else who loves Disney more than she does.

    But these days, her love hurts and is cutting to the core of Disney culture as she questions why some loyal employees can’t make ends meet. Some of them claim they can barely afford food while others say they know cast members who have slept in cars because they can’t afford an apartment or home.

    She said it wasn’t always that way.

    “I grew up with my grandfather going through the cast member entrance to the park and I remember the people who work there with incredible affection,” Disney said. “And there was a great deal of affection between them and my grandfather as well.”

    Disney added she saw the relationship shift over the decades as management changed.

    “I saw the nature of the way workers were treated there and frankly, everywhere else, in America over the last 50 years. And I wanted to make a film about why it changed so dramatically... and what we can do about it,” she said.

    Her new documentary, “The American Dream and Other Fairy Tales” takes a walk down memory lane as she fondly recalls the early days of Disneyland.

    The theme park in Anaheim, California opened in 1955. She has many happy memories of park visits there, so it is troubling when she hears stories about cast members who are struggling.

    And while looking for answers, Disney has come across a lot of people who don’t appreciate her opening previously shut doors.

    “I would say I probably love Disney more than any other super fan could possibly love Disney. It’s in my DNA, it’s down to my toes, and I remember every detail and every nuance of both of those parks,” she said. “I will tell you, though, if you really, really, really love something, then you have to see it truthfully and you have to speak the truth about it and it’s not perfect. I wish it were.”

    Disney said she knows not everyone will understand her plight or even agree with it, but she believes the company she shares a name with can and must do better by its workers.

    “Disney can make money and still be a visionary company, a company that supports the wellbeing of their employees. Both of these things can coexist,” she said. “Unfortunately, the way we run businesses in this country, we’ve come to believe these things are mutually exclusive, that managements must always get workers for as little as they can possibly get workers.”

    Disney said it’s not the amount of money CEOs make that bothers her.

    “I don’t have a problem with your $65 million, I really don’t. Bless you, you’re welcome to it. But don’t take it until everybody’s fed,” Disney said.

    News 6 has also reached out to Walt Disney World for comment, but the company has not responded.

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