If you've ever, I don't know, sent an email or used the internet, you really should know this episode’s guest. Vint Cerf, one of the “Fathers of the Internet”, co-designed the TCP/IP protocols and the architecture of the Internet. He also helped to develop MCI Mail—the first commercial email system to be connected to the Internet. Hear about his journey to the development of these world-alerting protocols, what he sees as the future of Interstellar communication, and why he always wears a three-piece suit when hoodies are standard in the tech sector. Conversation recorded in April 2024.