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    Feeling of Computing

    A romp through the field of computer programming, grapling with our history and wondering what should come next. A mix of deeply technical talk, philosophy, art, dark lore, and good takes. Hosted by Ivan Reese, Jimmy Miller, and Lu Wilson.

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    Magic Ink by Bret Victor Dec 08, 2022
    Show notes

    Before the time-travelling talks, the programmable rooms, the ladders and rocket launchers, we had the first real Bret Victor essay: Magic Ink. It set the stage for Bret's later explorations, breaking down the very idea of "software" into a few key pieces and interrogating them with his distinct focus, then clearly demoing a way we could all just do it better. All of Bret's works feel simultaneously like an anguished cry and a call to arms, and this essay is no exception.

    For the next episode, we're reading Programming as Theory Building by Peter Naur, with a little bit of Gilbert Ryle's The Concept of Mind thrown in for good measure.

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    Four Hundred of the most Chart-Topping Thoughts of All Time:

    • Inventing On Principal
    • Stop Drawing Dead Fish
    • Drawing Dynamic Visualizations
    • Dynamicland

    Paper Programs by JP Posma was inspired by Dynamicland.

    "Computers aren't the thing. They're the thing that gets us to the thing." from Halt and Catch Fire

    Charticulator is Microsoft Research's take on a _Drawing Dynamic Visualizations_-esq tool.

    Jimmy's Fender Jazz bass looks like this, but red, but like a decade older, but like $600 at the time.

    We could probably post parts of this episode as Boyfriend Roleplay on YouTube.

    Fitts's Law is but one thing we've learned about the industrial design aspect of building good software.

    The Witness is a game where communicating ideas through (essentially) graphic design is the whole entire point of the game. If you haven't played it, know that it comes highly recommended by plenty of folks in the community.

    A "red letter Bible" is a Bible in which the words spoken by Jesus are colored red, to make them easier to identify.

    Toph Tucker has a pretty cool personal website. It's rare to see these sorts of sites nowadays, and they're always made by adventuresome programmers, trendy design agencies, or their clients. In the Flash era, it felt like everyone had a website like this, for better and for worse.

    tldraw is a beautiful little browser-based drawing tool by Steve Ruiz. What few things it does, it does exceptionally well.

    John while Henry had had had had had had had had had been my preference.

    #devlog-together is the channel on our Future of Coding slack community where members post small, frequent updates about what they're working on.

    The (Not Boring) apps are arguably a counterpoint to Bret's theses about information apps and harmful interaction, where the interaction and graphic design are balanced against being maximally-informative, toward being silly and superfluous, to great effect.

    Did you know there's a hobby horse, but also a hobby horse? I didn't!

    There are a few examples of folks doing FoC work that, in Ivan's view, align well with the values Bret outlines in Magic Ink:

    • Szymon Kaliski's projects for Ink & Switch, summarized in his Strange Loop talk, Programmable Ink.
    • Mock Mechanics is an environment for building mechanisms by Felipe Reigosa.
    • PANE by Josh Horowitz inverts the usual node-wire programming pattern by putting data in the nodes and data transformation in the wires.

    Robot Odyssey was a 1984 game for the Apple II (and some other, lesser systems) in which players would go inside various robots to reprogram them.

    Music featured in this episode:

    • Wash Machine, from the unfinished 2014 album Sneaky Dances
    • Shaun's Amaj Rebirth, created in November 2022 for a friend named — you guessed it — Shaun.

    Hey! Send us questions we can answer on the show. Like, "How do you keep bread warm?" Or, "What's so great about concatenative languages?" We'll answer them. Send them here:

    • Jimmy
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    • Or just DM one of us in the FoC Slack.

    futureofcoding.org/episodes/060

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    Worse is Better by Richard P. Gabriel Oct 30, 2022
    Show notes

    Following our previous episode on Richard P. Gabriel's Incommensurability paper, we're back for round two with an analysis of what we've dubbed the Worse is Better family of thought products:

    1. The Rise of Worse Is Better by Richard P. Gabriel
    2. Worse is Better is Worse by Nickieben Bourbaki
    3. Is Worse Really Better? by Richard P. Gabriel

    Next episode, we've got a recent work by a real up-and-comer in the field. While you may not have heard of him yet, he's a promising young lad who's sure to become a household name.

    • Magic Ink by Bret Victor

    Links

    • The JIT entitlement on iOS is a thing that exists now.

    • Please, call me Nickieben — Mr. Bourbaki is my father.

    • A pony is a small horse. Also, horses have one toe.

    • Electron lets you build cross-platform apps using web technologies. The apps you build in it are, arguably, doing a bit of "worse is better" when compared to equivalent native apps.

    • Bun is a new JS runner that competes somewhat with NodeJS and Deno, and is arguably an example of "worse is better".

    • esbuild and swc are JS build tools, and are compared to the earlier Babel.

    • The graphs showing the relative lack of churn in Clojure's source code came from Rich Hickey's A History of Clojure talk. To see those graphs, head over to the FoC website for the expanded version of these show notes.

    • Some thoughts about wormholes.

    futureofcoding.org/episodes/059

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    Structure of a Programming Language Revolution by Richard P. Gabriel Sep 20, 2022
    Show notes

    Today we're discussing the so-called "incommensurability" paper: The Structure of a Programming Language Revolution by Richard P. Gabriel.

    In the pre-show, Jimmy demands that Ivan come right out and explain himself, and so he does, to a certain extent at least. In the post-show, Jimmy draws such a thick line between programming and philosophy that it wouldn't even look out of place on Groucho Marx's face.

    Next episode, we will be covering the Worse is Better family of thought products, so take 15 minutes to read these three absolute bangers if you'd like to be ahead of the game:

    • The Rise of Worse is Better by Richard P. Gabriel
    • Worse is Better is Worse, definitely not by Richard P. Gabriel
    • Is Worse Really Better? by Richard P. Gabriel

    Links

    • Phlogiston Theory
    • Phlogiston the excellent chiptune musician.
    • Bright Eyes - First Day of My Life, by Conor Oberst.
    • Not to be confused with Conal Elliott, who introduced the original meaning of functional reactive programming in his work on Fran.
    • Peter Gabriel - Games Without Frontiers
    • Pilot: A Step Toward Man-Computer Symbiosis
    • Jimmy's talk Paradigms Without Progress: Kuhnian Reflections on Programming Practice
    • There's some sporadic discussion of Philip Wadler (who Ivan playfully calls "Phil"), specifically his claim that programming languages have some bits that are invented and some bits that are discovered. While we're here, make sure you've seen the best 15 seconds in Strange Loop history.
    • Peter Naur's Programming as Theory Building

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    CarrotGrid — They don't have a web presence (weird, hey?) but they're working on an interesting problem at the intersection of data, so listen to the short ad in the episode to find out more.

    St. Jude Children's Research Hospital — Instead of running our usual sponsors today, we'd like to direct your attention to this humanitarian cause. September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, and our friends (can we call them that?) at Relay.fm are running a pledge drive. If you have any spare coins in your couch cushions, or a few million left over from your last exit, you'd be hard pressed to find a more deserving way to invest them. Donate here.

    Show notes for this episode can be found at futureofcoding.org/episodes/58

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    Personal Dynamic Media by Alan Kay & Adele Goldberg Jul 18, 2022
    Show notes

    There once was a podcast episode. It was about a very special kind of book: the Dynabook. The podcast didn't know whether to be silly, or serious. Jimmy offered some thoughtful reflections, and Ivan stung him on the nose.

    Sponsored by Replit.com, who want to give you some reasons not to join Replit, and Theatre.js, who want to make beautiful tools for animating the web with you.

    futureofcoding.org/episodes/57

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    Augmenting Human Intellect by Doug Engelbart Jun 06, 2022
    Show notes

    symbol-manipulation.com
    collaboration.com
    thought-experiments.org
    behaviorism.com
    theatre.js
    system.org
    evolution.ca
    pithy.com
    replit.com
    summary.co.uk
    cringe.net
    futureofcoding.org
    programming.com

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    Man-Computer Symbiosis by J.C.R. Licklider Apr 12, 2022
    Show notes

    Jimmy Miller joins the show as co-host. Together, we embark on a new series of episodes covering the most influential and interesting papers in the history of our field. Some of these papers led directly to where we are today, and their influence cannot be overstated. Others were overlooked or unloved in their day, and we revive them out of curiosity and wonder. A few even hint at an inspiring future we haven't yet achieved, placing them squarely in line with our community's goals. We give these papers all the respect and deep reflection they deserve and, perhaps, the occasional kick in the shins.

    Today's paper is titled Man-Computer Symbiosis, authored by J.C.R. "Licky" Licklider in 1960. The title sure is outdated — but how have the ideas aged in the eternity since it was published? Listen on to hear your two hosts figure that out, and delight at just how wildly right and wrong some of its predictions turned out to be.

    Thank you to the following sponsors, all of whom are doing important work in our field, and all of whom want to hire you to do even more of it:

    • Theatre.js — Enabling designers to code, programmers to design — empowering everyone to create.
    • Glide — Anyone can make their own apps, with a GUI builder backed by a spreadsheet.
    • Replit — An online REPL-driven dev environment with all the batteries you could ask for.

    (I keep hearing about more and more people in our sphere landing jobs at these co's — high-fives all around!)

    Show notes for this episode can be found at futureofcoding.org/episodes/55

    Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/feelingofcomputing

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    Ella Hoeppner: Vlojure Jan 05, 2022
    Show notes

    Today's guest is Ella Hoeppner, who first came onto the radar of our community back in the fall when she released a web-based visual Clojure editor called Vlojure, with a captivating introduction video.

    I was immediately interested in the project because of the visual style on display — source code represented as nested circles; an earthy brown instead of the usual dark/light theme. But as the video progressed, Ella showed off a scattering of little ideas that each seemed strikingly clever and obvious in hindsight. You'd drag one of the circle "forms" to the bottom right to evaluate it, or to the bottom left to delete it. The sides of the screen are flanked by "formbars" that hold, well, whatever you want. You can reconfigure these formbars to your exact liking. Everything is manipulated with drag. The interface exudes a sense that it was designed with wholly different goals and tastes than what we usually see in visual programming projects — perfect subject matter for our show.

    This episode was sponsored by Glide, and the transcript was sponsored by Replit — thanks to them both for making this possible.

    The show notes (with copious links) and transcript are available here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/054

    Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/feelingofcomputing

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Scott Anderson: End-user Programming in VR Nov 07, 2021
    Show notes

    Scott Anderson has spent the better part of a decade working on end-user programming features for VR and the metaverse. He's worked on playful creation tools in the indie game Luna, scripting for Oculus Home and Horizon Worlds at Facebook, and a bunch of concepts for novel programming interfaces in virtual reality. Talking to Scott felt a little bit like peeking into what's coming around the bend for programming. For now, most of us do our programming work on a little 2D rectangle, with a clear split between the world around the computer and the one inside it. That might change — we may find ourselves inside a virtual environment where the code we write and the effects of running it happen in the space around us. We may find ourselves in that space with other people, also doing their own programming. This space might be designed, operated, and owned by a single megacorp with a specific profit motive. Scott takes us through these possibilities — how things are actually shaping up right now and how he feels about where they're going, having spent so much time exploring this space.

    This episode was sponsored by Glide, and the transcript was sponsored by Replit — thanks to them both for making this possible.

    The show notes (with copious links) and transcript are available here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/053

    Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/feelingofcomputing

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Amjad Masad: Replit Aug 27, 2021
    Show notes

    The name Replit will be familiar to regular listeners of our show. The backstory and ambitions behind the project, however, I bet will be news to you. Amjad Masad, the founder and first programmer of Replit, is interviewed by Steve Krouse in this episode from the vault — recorded back in 2019, released for the first time today. Amjad shares the stories of how he taught himself to use a computer by secretly observing his father, his early experiments with Emscripten building VMs for the web, the founding of Replit, and how their community has exploded in popularity in recent years. Some of the conceptual discussions touch on Scheme, potential futures of visual programming, Sketchpad, and GRAIL.

    The transcript for this episode was sponsored, as ever, by Replit.

    The show notes and transcript are available right here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/052

    Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/feelingofcomputing

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Toby Schachman: Cuttle, Apparatus, and Recursive Drawing Jul 21, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, I'll be talking to Toby Schachman, who many of you are surely familiar with thanks to an incredible string of projects he's released over the past decade, including Recursive Drawing back in 2012, Apparatus in 2015, and most recently Cuttle which opened to the public this past week. All of these projects superficially appear to be graphics editors, but by interacting with them you actually create a program that generates graphics. Their interfaces are wildly different from both traditional programming tools and traditional graphics apps. If you are not familiar with these projects, I strongly recommend that you actually go and play them (they all run in the browser), or watch the Strange Loop talk where Toby demos Apparatus and explains the thinking behind it.

    This episode was sponsored by Glide, and the transcript was sponsored by Replit — thanks to them both for making this possible.

    The show notes and transcript are available right here: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/051

    Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/feelingofcomputing

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


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