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    EQUALS: Reimagining Our Economy

    We reimagine our economy one conversation at a time with activists, thinkers and politicians across the world. This podcast is co-hosted by Max Lawson, Grazielle Custódio, Annie Theriault and Nafkote Dabi. It is produced by Simon Maina, with project management by Harry Bignell.


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    “AN INCREDIBLE EXPLOSION OF INEQUALITY” – with Renowned Economist, Branko Milanovic Jan 21, 2022
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    We are witnessing a COVID-19 driven explosion in inequality. This week, Oxfam released its annual report, Inequality Kills, showing that the pandemic is killing at least 1 person every 4 seconds, while the ten richest men have doubled their fortunes during this same pandemic. This is the biggest single increase in billionaire wealth in recorded history. Max and Nadia talk to Branko Milanovic, world-renowned authority on inequality, to find out why.


    Branko is a Senior Scholar at City University of New York’s Stone Center on Socio-economic Inequality and Centennial Professor at London School of Economics' International Inequalities Institute (III). He was the Lead Economist in the World Bank’s Research Department for almost 20 years, before leaving to write his book on global income inequality, Worlds Apart (2005). He has since authored three more award-winning books – The Haves and the Have-nots (2011), Global Inequality (2016) and Capitalism, Alone (2019).


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

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    IS SANTA CLAUS A CAPITALIST ICON? – A lively Holiday Special with Asad Rehman Dec 17, 2021
    Show notes

    Alas! Santa Claus is coming to town!! And we’re having a Christmas debate on a hot button topic that is dividing people. Is Santa a socialist or a merciless capitalist?


    Liz and Nadia talk to Asad Rehman, the Executive Director of War on Want. He’s a lifelong campaigner against racialised capitalism, economic, climate and social injustice – and he’s got some beef with Santa! This is one for the books. With lots of laughter and music.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    Intro Music by Amusicmedia from Pixabay

    Jingle Bells Music by John_Sib from Pixabay


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

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    WILL THE PANDEMIC CHANGE HEALTHCARE FOREVER? – With Rob Yates of Chatham House and Rebecca Riddell of New York University Dec 10, 2021
    Show notes

    We finally talk healthcare on EQUALS. Could the pandemic trigger the creation of universal healthcare systems around the world? What can we learn from Thailand and Costa Rica? What is privatization doing to healthcare in Kenya? And who is undermining healthcare for all?


    Liz, Nabil and Max chat to Rob Yates (Director, Global Health Program, Chatham House) and Rebecca Riddell (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice).


    The NYU CHRGJ, in collaboration with a leading Kenyan human rights organization, Hakijamii recently launched a report on Kenya’s healthcare system. The report finds “that the government-backed expansion of the private healthcare sector in Kenya is leading to exclusion and setting back the country’s goal of universal health coverage”.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    POST-COP26: WHAT’S NEXT? CLIMATE JUSTICE V CLIMATE COLONIALISM – With Asad Rehman and Nafkote Dabi Nov 19, 2021
    Show notes

    Here’s your post-COP26 deep dive. What do the outcomes mean for us all? Why were developing countries insisting on reparations? What’s the fuss about billionaire emissions?


    We welcome two amazing guests from the climate justice movement who were influencing the Glasgow climate talks.


    Asad Rehman is the Executive Director of War on Want, a lifelong campaigner against racial and economic injustice, and has been at the forefront of the climate justice movement helping to reframe climate as an issue of racialised capitalism, economic and social injustice. Nafkote Dabi, from Ethiopia, is Oxfam’s global climate change policy lead, and has taken on climate change across the African continent.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    BUSES AND THE INEQUALITY CRISIS – With Bassam Khawaja and Matteo Rizzo Oct 13, 2021
    Show notes

    We need to talk about buses. Yes, buses. And inequality. The issue that nobody’s talking about.


    Since the 80s, transport across the world has been privatized – fueling an inequality crisis that undermines our human rights.


    Liz, Max and Nabil chat to Bassam Khawaja (Co-Director, Human Rights and Privatization Project, NYU Law School Center for Human Rights and Global Justice) and Matteo Rizzo (Senior Lecturer in Development Studies - SOAS University of London) who know lots about buses.

    We ask: What do buses have to do with inequality in countries from the UK to Tanzania? What did privatization do? What is this new Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system springing up in developing countries all about? What are the solutions?


    Bassam and his co-authors recently made headlines about the privatization of large parts of UK’s transport system, writing a report on its failures. It shows that, despite the government promising that a privatized system would lead to “lower fares, new services, and more passengers”, while removing “any potential future liability on the taxpayer”, that has not been the case.


    Matteo, who lived in Dar es Salaam for 6 years has researched new bus systems. His recent publications cover work and employment; BRT’s exclusionary nature and neoliberalism and precarious labour in relation to public transport in developing countries.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    IS GREEN GROWTH A CONVENIENT LIE? – With Jason Hickel, Economic Anthropologist Aug 20, 2021
    Show notes

    How fighting inequality and beating climate change means we must end our addiction to economic growth and fast.


    We’re asking: How are inequality, climate breakdown and growth linked? Why is green growth an impossibility? If rich nations must stop growing, what does this mean for developing countries?


    Nadia and Max have an amazing conversation with Dr. Jason Hickel – economic anthropologist, activist, academic and author of ‘Less is More’ and ‘The Divide’ . Jason is a leading thinker on both inequality and climate, and a passionate advocate of degrowth; the idea that the pursuit of economic growth by rich nations is destroying the planet and needs to stop, and that pursuit of equality is vital to saving our planet.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    CAN FOREIGN AID BE DECOLONIZED? – With Power Shifter Degan Ali Aug 10, 2021
    Show notes

    Foreign aid has helped save millions of lives. But the whole system is facing a huge reckoning.


    As the New York Times’ Editorial Board wrote recently, “A growing group of intellectuals, aid workers and civic leaders from Africa say the “white savior” mentality of the world’s foreign aid system can end up doing more harm than good.


    We’re asking: Does aid work? Is aid really so colonial that it needs to end? How must the whole system change? And is it time to move to talk about reparations?


    Nadia and Nabil have a truly fascinating conversation with Degan Ali – a trailblazer in the movement to decolonize development aid and rethink humanitarianism, and the Executive Director of Adeso, a Nairobi-based organization that works in Somalia and Kenya. Her website is www.deganali.com.


    Please do share the episode on your social media.


    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

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    ECONOMIC HUNGER GAMES IN AFRICA –With Pan-African feminist Crystal Simeoni Jul 27, 2021
    Show notes

    What doesn’t mainstream economics “get” about Africa? What is the future of the state itself in Africa? And how much should we really be focusing on corruption within Africa?

    Max and Nabil have a riveting conversation with Pan-African feminist Crystal Simeoni – who is Director at Nawi: Afrifem Macroeconomics Collective (which is well worth checking out here!). Previously, she was head of the economic justice department at FEMNET, one of the largest African women's rights networks. She is an Atlantic Fellow for Social and Economic Justice at the London School of Economics.

    This is the second of a two-part special deep dive into African economics. The last episode, with Zambian economist Grieve Chelwa, took us back recalling history and how it’s shaped economics in Africa today. This episode looks forward.

    Please do listen and share the episode on your social media platforms.

    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from MLK Jr on how to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, and from Turkish author Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, and climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, to IMF Chief Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic, and Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

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    WHEN NEOLIBERALISM TOOK ON AFRICA’S ECONOMIC IMAGINATION – With Zambian economist Grieve Chelwa Jul 09, 2021
    Show notes

    Former Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda (“KK”) – who led his country in the wake of independence from colonial rule – recently died. A pan-African giant, he pursued efforts to boldly pursue equality at home and fight for liberation across the African continent.

    Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed have an amazing chat with Dr. Grieve Chelwa on what President Kaunda really set out to do with the state taking a far more active role. What can we learn from “Kaundanomics” for today? And what was the impact of the defining “structural adjustment” period on Africa’s economics?

    This is the first of a two-part special diving deep into African economics. This episode takes us back. The next episode looks forward.

    Dr. Grieve Chelwa – who is the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at The Institute on Race and Political Economy at The New School where he leads the Institute's work on Inclusive Economic Rights. He was formerly Senior Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in Economics at the University of Cape Town's Graduate School of Business and before that was the Inaugural Postdoctoral Fellow at the Center for African Studies at Harvard University. Before taking up a career in academia, Dr. Chelwa was a banker with Citi and completed postings in Congo (DR), Kenya, Nigeria and South Africa.

    If you’re joining us on EQUALS for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    TAX THE RICH! SAY THE RICH – Meet Patriotic Millionaires Morris Pearl and Erica Payne Jun 04, 2021
    Show notes

    How does it feel to have more money than you could ever spend? What is it that makes someone who is a millionaire fight for higher taxes on the rich? How does playing a rigged game of monopoly reveal how rich people’s minds work? What chance that President Joe Biden can reverse the relentless lowering of taxes on the richest people?


    Nadia and Max are joined by Erica Payne and Morris Pearl – founders of the Patriotic Millionaires, a group of wealthy individuals leading the charge to raise taxes on the rich, fight for a livable wage, and combat political and income inequality. Morris Pearl, a former managing director of BlackRock, is chair of the Patriotic Millionaires. Erica Payne is founder and president of the Patriotic Millionaires, an American public policy commentator, author and progressive strategist. They have co-authored a book out now called: “Tax the Rich!: How Lies, Loopholes, and Lobbyists Make the Rich Even Richer Paperback”.


    Find out more about the Patriotic Millionaires at https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills.


    This is the second episode of season 4 of the EQUALS podcast. And if you’re joining us for the first time, tune in to our earlier interviews – from talking with the award-winning journalist Gary Younge on what we can learn from Martin Luther King Jr to fight inequality, to best-selling author Anand Giridharadas on whether we need billionaires, Zambian music artist PilAto on the power of music, thinker Ece Temelkuran on beating fascism, climate activist Hindou Ibrahim on nature, and the Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund Kristalina Georgieva on what comes after the pandemic.


    Do listen, subscribe/follow and leave a rating/review. Follow us on Twitter @EQUALSHope

    Don't just listen, join thousands of others reading our weekly digest on inequality. Sign up at https://www.equals.ink/

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