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Max and Nabil interview the world-leading, award-winning, rebel Indian economist Jayati Ghosh. In this fast-paced and inspiring interview Jayati makes the radical case for care – and tells us what she really thinks about all those politicians around the world talking a good talk about gender equality.
Around the world women and girls put in billions of hours of unpaid care work each day – that’s the cooking, the cleaning, the caring for children, sick and the elderly. We ask Jayati: how is this at the heart of the global inequality crisis? Why’s it so hidden? And what can be done about it?
We challenge Jayati on why she isn’t celebrating all the apparent economic progress the world has made in recent decades – especially for women in work around the world?
And at a time of real worry about a jobs apocalypse on the horizon with automation and a new age of robots on the rise – what does Jayati, an expert on the future of work, think we can do for workers around the world? Why is she feeling so hopeful right now?
Jayati Ghosh is one of the world's leading economists. She is Professor of Economics at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, Executive Secretary of International Development Economics Associates, and a member of the Independent Commission for the Reform of International Corporate Taxation.
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Hosted by Max Lawson and Nabil Ahmed.
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A gripping conversation for our Season 2 opener with Anand Giridharadas, who says ‘I think the best thing to do with billionaires would be to not have them anymore’.
Anand, with his many interviews and his brilliant best-selling book, ‘Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World’, has been described as ‘the scourge of plutocrats everywhere’.
In this fascinating conversation on the eve of the Davos World Economic Forum, Anand asks why we would ever think that the people responsible for today’s extreme inequality are capable of solving it. Why do we think it is possible to magically benefit those at the bottom whilst continuing to benefit those at the top? He shows how so many billionaires have captured the whole idea of change and revolution, using it instead to defend the status quo.
Anand looks at the power of language, and how the left has failed to mount a defense against this onslaught from elites pretending to ‘change the world’. He believes that people are beginning to see through the elite charade – and finds hope in this.
Presented by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed.
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"When activists, thinkers, billionaires, and young people come together to fight inequality, there is reason for hope". In conversation with Nabil and Max, Winnie reflects on season one of Equals, and what her highlights have been. She identifies the interview with Beth, activist from the slum of Dandora, as her favourite. She talks about the brilliant ideas put on the table by Beth, and also by Rutger Bregman, historian and Joseph Stiglitz, and how only in America could multimillionaires like Abigail Disney come out saying that it is unpatriotic to avoid tax. She says how inspired she has been by the interviews, singling out the interview with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar as particularly full of hope.
Winnie also reflects on her time as leader of Oxfam, and what progress has been made in the fight against inequality, and what more needs to be done, and challenges us to keep up the fight.
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"Fighting inequality should be at the core of our new economic theory". Devaki Jain is one of the most famous southern feminist leaders. She has been a world-renowned thinker on feminism and economics, who has for decades been an activist and economist fighting for economic justice and for equality. Devaki was one of the first feminists to identify the economic implications of the millions of hours of unpaid care work that women do. She pioneered the voice of southern women in the global feminist movement.
In the interview she looks back on her life and reflects with Winnie on the inseparability of the feminist struggle from the wider struggle for economic justice. She talks about how she was deeply inspired by Gandhi and the struggles for freedom around the world, including the role of women freedom fighters. She describes her role on the South Commission, led by the deeply influential and inspirational former Tanzanian President Julius Nyerere. She also reflects on the failure of some current feminists to confront the links between feminism, and that gender equality can only be achieved through a wider economic struggle against inequality and our broken economic model.
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A candid and fascinating conversation between Winnie and "her sister" US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.
"America does not suffer from scarcity, America suffers from greed" famously said Congresswoman Omar – who represents Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District in the U.S. House of Representatives. Congresswoman Omar and Winnie Byanyima both were born in, and fled East Africa. Both know firsthand the effects and horrors of war. Both lived as refugees. Both are black women. Feminists.
And both are vocal about fighting extreme inequality. Winnie has a very personal conversation with Rep. Omar about her journey, what fighting inequality means to her and her being part of so many struggles and identities. She discusses with Rep. Omar the exciting steps to truly build a world that is a little more just, and a little more equal.
Hosted by Nadia Daar and Nabil Ahmed.
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Do you know what happened on April 1, 1947, in the small village of Mont Pèlerin in Switzerland? Well you probably should, as it went on to shape the global economy as we know it today. Rutger Bregman – described as "one of the greatest young thinkers of our time" – tells the story. He is the Dutch historian and author who published the bestseller “Utopia for Realists”, and who memorably took on billionaires at Davos in 2019 together with Winnie. Together they discuss the power of big ideas to change the world – and what they really thought of their time at Davos.
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Elena Mejía is a “militant” activist – and a leading member of the ‘Left Youth Forum’ and of movements across Latin America – who is taking to the streets in Peru in innovative and exciting ways to fight inequality, for women’s rights and for protecting the environment. She talks to EQUALS about her experience as a young activist facing down injustice together with a range of people from trade union movements to LGBTQI+ activists, the real risks she faces on the job as an activist – and what her family really worries about!
Hosted by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson.
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Patriotic Millionaire Abigail Disney has spoken out strongly against inequality. She famously said that even Jesus does not deserve to earn 500 times that of the median worker. She has said that President Trump's tax cuts for the richest 1% are a travesty and are fueling greater inequality in the US. In this interview with Winnie, Abigail speaks about what drives her to be a ‘traitor to my class’ and come together with other rich people in the United States as one of the Patriotic Millionaires. The Patriotic Millionaires are a brilliant campaign group that is calling for higher taxes on the rich, an end to the political influence of extreme wealth, and decent living wages for workers, all as a way to fight inequality.
Patriotic Millionaires on Twitter: @PatrioticMills
Presented by Max Lawson and Nadia Daar.
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Namibia is a country with a poisonous legacy of inequality as a colony of Germany and later of apartheid South Africa, that only received its independence in 1990. Since then Namibia has been reducing inequality since 1993, with a series of practical policies like raising the minimum wage and introducing free primary and secondary education. Namibia is one of a growing number of countries worldwide which are showing their commitment to reducing inequality, and putting other governments to shame. In this episode we hear an interview between Winnie and the President of Namibia, Hage Geingob, and we discuss the policies that Namibia and other countries like Ethiopia are putting in place to close the gap.
Presented by Nadia Daar and Max Lawson.
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[TW: references to SA, r*pe, kidnap, police brutality]
Surviving kidnapping by criminals. Taking on police killings after her husband was murdered. Fighting sexual harassment at work. Beth Mukami – from the Dandora slum in Nairobi, Kenya – has seen it all. Today she’s a human rights defender, a feminist, activist and a “voice of the voiceless”. She and others started the Dandora Community Justice Centre which is on the front-line of the fight against inequality. Listen to Winnie talking to Beth about her story and her fight against inequality.
The Dandora Community Justice Centre on Twitter: @DandoraJustice
Presented by Nabil Ahmed and Max Lawson.
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