Enlightened By Dogs: Living with Cooperation, Not Obedience

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EBD 247 Yes or No? The Framework for Giving Dogs Real-Life Choices Part 1 Feb 06, 2023

Show notes

"The more opportunities I give my dogs to say no, the more likely they are to say yes when it's really important." This is Kathy's framework for giving dogs real-life choices in a way that works for everyone.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy talks about lifestyle choices, agency, responsibility, and freedom. She also shares some real-life examples of how this looks in real-life situations, with real dogs.

For some dog moms, it could be their badge of honor to have a well-trained, obedient dog that always listens to what they're told. But for Kathy, her badge of honor is that her dogs choose to be attentive, responsive, and responsible and that they trust her to be their guide in any situation.

Also, Kathy emphasizes the importance of being clear on your "why's," explains in detail the little steps to connect, observe, and decide, and dives into the concept of "ask, don't ask, and prepare for the ask."

So to learn more about the framework of giving your dogs real-life choices that lead to a life of cooperation, tune in to this episode!

In this episode:

Having attentive, responsive, and responsible dogs through living a partnership lifestyle
The importance of being clear on your "why"
The series of little steps: connect, observe, and decide
Ask, don't ask, and prepare for the ask

Quotes:

We can have attentive, responsive, and responsible dogs by living a partnership lifestyle.

My badge of honor is that my dogs choose to be attentive, responsive, and responsible and that they trust me to be their guide in any situation.

This principle of choice, responsibility, and freedom is good for anyone who wants to live an enlightened and connected life with their dogs.

What leads us to be able to create more cooperation is to give our dogs that feeling of being in control, that feeling of agency, that feeling of freedom – and that leads them to more responsibility.

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 246 Break Free of The Leash Reactivity Spiral Jan 30, 2023

Show notes

Are you a dog mom who struggles with leash reactivity? Kathy knows how stressful it is when you have a dog that pulls hard on the leash. Having a dog that is lunging toward (or away from) other dogs, moving objects, or anything that triggers them is not a pleasant experience for anyone.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy shares a real-life coaching call with a dog mom who was struggling with leash reactivity. Her in-depth explanation of the process of walking as partners with your dog during this coaching session is going to change things with you and your dog!

There are specific things that you can do when your dog becomes reactive on the leash that will lead to walking as partners. One of the important things is to make an intentional choice about when and where to walk your reactive dog so that you are likely to have a great walk.

Creating what Kathy calls "Green Zone Experiences" is what will help you and your dog to finally break free of the leash reactivity spiral that you are stuck in together.

To learn more about how, tune in!

In this episode:

A real-life coaching call with a dog mom
Steps to the process of walking as partners with your dog
Strategies on how to deal with the leash reactivity of your dog

Quotes:

There are a lot of moving parts to learning how to walk as partners with our dogs. And we make so many mistakes, but we don't even realize we're making mistakes.

The more green zone experiences we create, the more competent we get at staying really connected with our dog while we are walking together.

The earlier we notice first signs that our dog is starting to get uncomfortable or triggered by something, the more effective it is to keep our dogs and us in the green zone.

The success we had yesterday is not necessarily the same thing that's going to bring us success today.

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 245 Regaining Trust with Reactive Dogs Jan 23, 2023

Show notes

This is something I always hear from many dog moms a lot of times. They keep on asking why their dogs don't trust them, their dogs don't allow them to support them and show them that everything is okay.

Sometimes, we deal with some behavior challenges in our dogs where they are not calm, they are reactive, hyperactive, and even seem to be so anxious and worried. Then, since we love our furry friends very much, we tend to figure things out to help them. But, at the end of the day, you end up realizing that everything you did seems not to work out as you expected.

So instead of helping your dogs with an approach that you think is appropriate and effective, the result that you're getting is the complete opposite.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy wants to help you turn these things around and encourages you to make use of the insights she wants to share with you to change your partnership lifestyle with your dog.

Kathy talks in detail about the actionable steps or a decision tree, and some valuable tips that you need to look into to give you an overview of how to regain trust with reactive dogs. She also touches on various valuable topics, like a partnership, building trust, loving leadership, and how to stop the trust and confidence leaks in your relationship with your dog. So tune in to learn more!

In this episode:

The behavior challenges of our dogs
Talking about the partnership, building trust, loving leadership, how to stop the trust and confidence leaks in your relationship with your dog
Tips on how to regain trust with the reactive dogs

Quotes:

We love our dogs. Our life revolves around our dogs. And we want to do everything to help them to thrive and to feel good and to be happy.

It is important to be a loving leader for our dogs and to provide some structure and some guidance and boundaries and how that really helps our dogs thrive.

I think it's really important for us to learn how to be good leaders.

It's really up to us to take responsibility for being the kind of human that our dogs love to follow, love to listen to, and love to partner with.

This sort of a foundational relationship or I call it a partnership, needs to happen and be well established before we start our specialty training. Because without this foundation in place, we end up developing struggles, issues, and miscommunications with our dogs that can get very frustrating

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 244 Revealing Stories of Reactive Dogs: "Maya" Jan 16, 2023

Show notes

When we dig deeper under the surface, the REAL stories of reactive dogs are revealed. We too often negatively label dogs as reactive, as if that was a behavior they chose. Maya is a perfect example of a dog labeled as reactive, whose story revealed a much deeper understanding.

Maya's first three families thought she was untrainable ... a hopeless menace.

"How bad could this dog's behavior really be, at only 7 months old" was Kathy's first thought.

The problem? She relentlessly chased anything and everything that moved: kids, bikes, cars, cats. sheep, cows ... you name it ... if it moved, she chased it. There wasn't a fence or a leash that contained her, so she basically terrorized families and neighborhoods everywhere she went.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy shares the inspiring story of her dog, Maya, illustrating the power of partnership and opening your mind and your heart to deeply understanding your reactive dog.

Kathy reveals her strategies on how she worked with Maya to start building trust right away. Her communication, management and mindset approaches are shared, including when she introduced her dog to what she calls "the dance".

Within months, Maya's old story of being a reactive dog was transformed into a new story of partnership, with a very happy ending!

In this episode:

Why digging under the surface of a dog's behavior reveals their true story
The inspiring story of "Maya" transforming from reactive to remarkable.
Tips for working with your own 'reactive' dog

Quotes:

I did not even think about putting her (Maya) into a situation where her chase instinct would be triggered, where she would be able to rehearse her habit of disconnecting from her human.

I focused on our partnership and our relationship first. So building trust and confidence was top of my list all the time.

It's important for us to first have a foundation that is built on trust and confidence and communication so that we know how to dialogue. If we don't have that, then it's really difficult to move forward without relying on transactions for everything.

Without having a solid trusting partnership, everything becomes transactional. And we don't want that. That's not why we have dogs in our life.

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 243 Managing Stress for You and Your Dog Jan 09, 2023

Show notes

When you and your dog get stressed, there are some simple ways to manage this stress response. For example, did you know that how we breathe influences our brain in multiple ways?

Our breathing affects our perception, emotion, cognition, and even our mood. And breathing regulates arousal, attention, and stress responses…for both you and your dog.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy talks about the science of breathing, the importance of emotional contagion, and why coming back to balance is so important to our dogs.

Being out in nature is a proven way to manage stress and it reduces neural activity in the part of the brain associated with anxiety and depression. Kathy shares her personal experience that demonstrates just how powerful breathing and connecting to nature can be.

She includes her favorite breathing techniques that work really well to get calm, even after a meltdown when out on a walk with her dogs.

In this episode:

The science of our breathing style
The emotional contagion
The individual's behavior can heavily influence the behavior of others
Spending time in nature reduces stress
Breathing tips from Kathy

Quotes:

Our breathing affects our perception, emotion, cognition, and even our mood. And breathing regulates arousal, attention, and stress responses.

A person's choice of words, voice inflection, facial feedback, body language, and sense of energy can all prompt emotional changes in those around them, whether their family members, friends, colleagues, strangers, or of course, our dogs.

Positive emotional contagion can bring about positive emotions in others, while negative social contagion can bring about negative emotions. Consider how this impacts our dogs.

Stimulating the vagus nerve has the powerful effect of slowing our heart rate. This is what helps us to relax and this is what also directly helps our dogs to relax.

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD242 What To Do When Other People's Dogs Make it Hard for Your Dog Jan 02, 2023

Show notes

As dog moms, we are committed to keeping our dogs safe, calm and happy…but what about when someone does something that makes that really, really hard for us?

Loose dogs, fence running dogs, over-enthusiastic dogs, dogs that don't give us enough space, and dogs that are allowed to be unruly and disrespectful in a way that challenges our dog … are all experiences that we are likely to encounter.

When those things happen, we have thoughts about that dog and their person, right? That's normal. But, what if your thoughts initiate a reactivity spiral, and what if your thoughts are causing you and your dog to feel even worse than before?

We may not be able to control what other people (or their dogs) do … but we CAN get a grip on how we handle it.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy talks about the Thought Reframe Protocol that will rescue you from any of these situations with a few steps to follow.

She will also discuss in detail why you need to identify and decide to change your thoughts that are not serving you, plan for a new thought that is aligned with your vision for your life with your dog, and so much more!

In this episode:

What to do about other people and their dogs
The challenge to manage our own thoughts about ourselves
Reframe your thoughts about others so that you can better help your dog
Kathy's 6-Step Thought Reframe Protocol

Quotes:

"And the really cool thing is that this thought work is going to help you and your dog to connect, to bond, and to feel safe, calm, and happy a whole lot more often."

"Identify and decide to change a thought that is not serving the future you are creating."

"Tell your brain to notify your consciousness when you have that thought so that's activating your RAS or Reticular Activating System."

"Plan for a new thought... A new thought that is reframed into one that aligns with your vision for the life that you want to have with your dog.

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD241 Healing Our Reactivity Loop with Marika Bertram Dec 26, 2022

Show notes

People need to deal with the feeling in the body for them to experience healing. If we're suppressing things, and distracting ourselves when we have that feeling in our body, then we can't heal. We're just actually running away from it.

This is part 2 of Kathy's interview with Marika, an amazing dog trainer, one of her certified partnership coaches, and who loves to help dog moms in our community.

In this episode, Marika will help us understand the importance of letting our bodies feel in order to achieve healing and begin to heal the relationship with ourselves, which is the most important relationship we have.

Marika also talks about the effect of regular exercise on our bodies to allow us to feel a sense of peace and discusses some important details on our vagus nerve, which is our muscle that will help us to be more resilient when things get tough and the stress level gets high.

Learn more about Marika in her bio below.

Marika Bertram offers unique behavior and relationship consulting for dog families with a focus on holistic heart-centered coaching, that will teach you the art of dog listening so that you can communicate with your dog on a deeper level and enjoy a well-behaved dog without obedience training!

Website links: www.revyk9.com, Facebook and Instagram is 'The Dog Listener.' I offer in-person and virtual programs that vary from 2 kickstart sessions to 6-month programs for the full foundation and support through your journey of transformation with your dog.

In this episode:

Healing our reactivity loop
Feel it to heal it
Begin to heal a relationship with yourself

Quotes:

"The why behind it, or the why I act like this is really, I think, the first beneficial thing to understand to help you to heal."

"You need to feel it to heal it."

"So if we're not letting our bodies feel, if we're just suppressing things, and distracting ourselves when we have that feeling in our body, then we can't heal. We're essentially running away from it because that feels safer for our bodies than actually feeling pain."

"And that's the normal thing to do until we become aware that it's actually not helping us in the long run. And there's a better way to deal with it."

"Once I knew more information about how trauma, stress, and anxiety affect our body and how we didn't really have much control over it, it relieves that guilt for me, and the blame and the shame. And it started to allow me to begin to heal my relationship with myself."

"If we can't accept ourselves or forgive ourselves, then we really can't help those around us."

"We really have to put our own oxygen mask on first to be able to assist those around us. And that's what this comes down to, is acceptance of it's okay where we are. And I now know better, so I can do better."

"So what can start to heal this relationship is by accepting these feelings that our body and the overwhelm that we're feeling the trigger, it's there for a reason. It's to keep us safe. It's to protect us, and actually to help us heal."

"Instead of paying attention to the feeling in our body, and listening, so it feels heard, we want to give it love and acceptance. So it feels that connection is craving."

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 240 Healing Our Reactivity Loop with Marika Bertram (Part 1) Dec 19, 2022

Show notes

Stress can influence our experiences and success, and as a dog mom, it can also, in turn, affect our dogs and their behavior.

This episode of Enlightened by Dogs is the first part of the 2-part episode with Marika Bertram, who is an amazing dog trainer, one of my certified partnership coaches, and who loves to help dog moms in our community.

Marika shares her knowledge about stress, how to get stressed, and even how to deal with them. She also talks about the vagus nerve, some simple techniques that we could use to promote releasing that stress, and other important details on healing our reactivity loop.

In addition, Marika also discusses the importance of dealing with the feeling in our body, not just the thoughts that we have so that it doesn't keep getting stored as trapped energy in the body and keep reappearing each time we're triggered.

Read more about Marika in her bio below.

Marika Bertram offers unique behavior and relationship consulting for dog families with a focus on holistic heart-centered coaching that will teach you the art of dog listening so that you can communicate with your dog on a deeper level and enjoy a well-behaved dog without obedience training!

In this episode:

Marika's background
A better understanding of how stress influences experience and success
Releasing stress from the body

Quotes:

"It's important to understand not only our own behavior but also our dog's behavior and why we get triggered or why they also get triggered. And it seems like they literally can't hear us."

"A lot of people don't know why they get stressed. Even though maybe their lives aren't that stressful, they're still experiencing stress."

"Our brain has to make sense of the feeling in our body. So it triggers thoughts in our brain and then we react to these thoughts."

"If we only deal with the thoughts that we're having, and not the feeling in our body, it just keeps getting stored as trapped energy in the body and will keep reappearing each time we're triggered."

"If we allow the body to release this trapped energy, we can then begin to heal, and our bodies will be less triggered…. And then it leads us to become more resilient and feel safe, calm, and happy."

"When you're in survival mode, you don't need to be social, you don't need to be polite to those around you. Clearly, you're thinking about survival and safety. So you're going to do whatever needs to be done at that moment for your body to survive.'

"We can't force ourselves or our dogs back to the green zone when it's in the red zone."

"So it's only once our nervous system feels safe that we can actually return to that green calm state, and go from survival to being more social, where we actually start to feel safer… Make better decisions and act more consciously and mindfully."

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD 239 How Gratitude Enhances Bonding, Trust, and Connection with Our Dogs Dec 12, 2022

Show notes

If you are a dog parent, you may be familiar with various ways to strengthen the bond between you and your dog and to establish a strong connection over time.

In this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, Kathy dives into the value of gratitude and appreciation and shares different research studies that show evidence of the immense benefits of connecting heart-to-heart with your dogs.

Kathy talks about the important details of a study by the HeartMath Institute research team, a practice of the simple heart focus technique, and other relevant studies and shows their importance for you and your amazing four-legged furry friends.

In this episode:

The value of gratitude and appreciation
The interconnection of all life forms through a rich tapestry of intersecting magnetic fields
The immense benefits of connecting heart-to-heart with dogs

Quotes:

"Gratitude is such a powerful amplifier of heart, energy, and love. And it's one of the quickest ways to offset stress, and to lift our mood."

"Gratitude most definitely opens our mind in ways that are just simply life-changing."

"Gratitude and appreciation are powerful emotions that activate the brain's reward pathways, feel-good hormones, and endorphins, all of which are known to greatly improve our outlook on life, among other things."

"Dogs are uniquely attuned to our emotional states, and they have been shown to display a notable capacity for empathy."

"A caring relationship between humans and their dogs is a prescription for wellness for all involved."

"We put so much focus on heart connections. And on us, the dog moms, learning how to become more brilliant by the day so that we can be the brilliant partner that our dogs need to thrive while we simultaneously get the immediate benefit of feeling good."

LOVE TO LEARN MORE?

Become a calm and confident Dog Mom with a cooperative, happy dog ... without obedience training, or relying on treats or arousing games, or corrections of any type.

Here are some next steps:

SUBSCRIBE to Kathy's YouTube Channel:

https://www.youtube.com/c/DancingHeartsDogAcademy/videos

LISTEN or READ Kathy's Podcast and Blog on her Website:

https://dancingheartsdogacademy.com/

GET STARTED work with Kathy:

https://dancinghearts.link/foundation

LET'S CONNECT on the socials for more partnership tips and advice:

-Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dancinghearts/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kathykawalec/

LISTEN TO PODCASTS:Subscribe to the Enlightened By Dogs podcast in your favorite app! Don't forget to leave us a rating and review – it would make Kathy very happy!

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Listen on Spotify

Connect on Facebook: facebook.com/dancinghearts/

EBD238 Art as Connection with Marianne Magin [part 2] Dec 05, 2022

Show notes

Kathy has formed connections with many dogs in a variety of ways.

But, in this episode of Enlightened by Dogs, she invites a special guest to explore a way of building bridges with our four-legged friends that you may have overlooked.

This is part 2 of Kathy's interview with the wonderful Marianne Magin, an artist, dog mom and Dancing Hearts partnership coach.

In this part, she discusses how she helps people through their dog grief using her art, how she emotionally reacts to creating wonderful artwork for herself and others, and discusses her incredible card deck and children's book!

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