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    What three-card monte can teach you about NFTs Jan 17, 2022
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    NFTs are easy to understand if you examine their core utility. Unfortunately, there are thousands of NFT promoters spending millions of dollars to make sure you never look at that. This episode is a departure from our standard format, but it's an important topic. I want to explain what NFTs actually are and how you can best make money with them -- if you really want to. Our Japanese founders will be back next episode. So let’s get right to it. Transcript This is it, gentlemen. This Queen of Hearts is the winning card. Watch it closely. Follow her with your eye as she moves. Here she is, and now here, now here, and now—where? The Queen of Hearts. My hand is quicker than your eye. If you find the lady, you win, and I pay; if not, I win and take your money. Who will go me twenty dollars? Yes, this is in fact, Disrupting Japan. Straight talk from Japan’s most successful entrepreneurs, but today we are going to be talking about Three-Card Monte, or more specifically what Three-Card Monte teaches us about NFTs, or non-fungible tokens. You all know three-card-monte. Even if you don’t know it by that name. The dealer places three cards on the table, flips over one to reveal the queen. He flips the queen back over and begins shuffling the three cards around the table. He does this quickly, but not too quickly. You can just follow his movements. You confidently point to your card, and the dealer flips over a seven. You lose your money! Of course, you never really had a chance. The dealer slipped the queen up his sleeve when he started the shuffle. All that patter and shuffling is just there to distract you. The three cards you see on the table are all decoys. The important card had already been taken off the table. And you see, just like in three-card-monte, the key to understanding NFTs is looking at what’s missing. In this podcast we are going to grab the dealer by the wrist, dispose of the distracting patter and decoy cards, and take a hard look at exactly what’s been taken off the table. And to be clear, I have absolutely no opinion as to whether you should invest in NFTs or if you personally will make money from them. Today we’ll just be talking about what they are; their reason for existence. In startup terms, we’ll be defining NFT’s true value proposition. However, by the end of this episode it will make perfect sense to you why a jpg of a robot with a green mustache is worth $2 million, while the same robot with a red mustache is only worth $50. In fact, you’ll understand why NFTs could not possibly work any other way. And before we dive in, I want to let you know that although I spent a lot of time checking my facts and making sure what I am about to explain to you is accurate. I am most emphatically not a lawyer or a financial advisor. I am a founder, podcaster, author, hacker, picker, grinner, lover, sinner, and if you are even thinking of taking legal or financial advice from me, you are being an idiot. Stop it! OK, with that out of the way, let’s flip over these decoy cards. Misdirection & the NFT Decoy Cards Card #1: NFTs Prove Ownership NFTs are usually described as something like “digital certificate of ownership” or “a digital receipt” or “virtual goods with the blockchain providing proof of provenance and authenticity.” NFT promoters love to claim that they are a “permanent, distributed, publicly-auditable, tamper-proof record” of ownership. But no. They are not any of that. That’s misdirection, that’s one of the decoy cards. NFTs absolutely provide a “permanent, distributed, publicly-auditable, tamper-proof record” that you gave your money to a crypto promoter, but purchasing an NFT gives you absolutely no copyrights, usage rights, or ownership rights to the artwork. It’s not a receipt because you haven't actually bought anything but the receipt itself. The terms of service a some NFT marketplaces hint at such rights, and some NFTs are sold with legal-sounding jargon that promises them. However, the whole idea that copyrights and usage rights can be transferred anonymously between wallets not tied to any specific legal entities is ... well, let’s just say it’s untested legal ground. Particularly when there is no way to know if an anonymous NFT creator owned the artwork in question and when there is no recourse if they are lying. You’ll find that most promoters quickly toss aside the ownership card when you challenge them. They then fall back to the second decoy card. Card #2: NFTs Provide Bragging Rights “Well, they say, NFT buyers are not really interested in the legal minutiae of copyright law. To buyers NFTs are more about bragging rights. NFTs provide a “permanent, distributed, publicly-auditable, tamper-proof record” that they have bragging rights to a specific piece of art.” OK, let’s flip over this decoy card as well. Unlike copyrights, bragging rights don't seem to have any basis in law, so I can’t address that specifically. However, it’s important to realize that the artwork in question is not on the blockchain. It’s just a URL. So, once again, you find yourself with a "permanent, distributed, publicly-auditable, tamper-proof record" that you gave a crypto promoter your money, but you only get a URL in return. Presumably, that URL resolved to something like a nice picture of a cat wearing sunglasses when you sent them your money, but after they have your money, there are no guarantees. Domain names can be sold or go dark. Someone could take your image down or replace it with another one. You have no control over any of that. You just have to take them at their word that they will maintain this site for you forever, and for free. But hey, I’m sure it will be fine! If you can’t trust the solemn promise of a crypto promoter, who can you trust? Card #3: NFTs Help Artists OK, let’s flip over the third and final card before we look up the dealer’s sleeve and see what’s there. “NFTs are a way to ensure that artists and creators get paid for their hard work.” No they are not. And as a former professional musician, this is the decoy card that annoys me the most. This line of bull usually starts with the word “Imagine” as in “Imagine if artists could get paid every time their work is resold!” or “Image if you could take a unique digital item from game to game!” or “Imagine if musicians could be guaranteed to receive the royalties they are owed!” Well, OK, I’m a fairly imaginative person, and I can imagine all kinds of wonderful things. But in reality NFTs are not enabling any of this. There are plenty of existing platforms and systems that do all that right now, and NFTs don’t seem to be improving or replacing any of them. Honestly, even a casual glance at the NFT market will show you that most NFT art is algorithmically generated nonsense. But as we’ll see when we look up the dealer's sleeve, algorithmically generated nonsense is much, much better suited to NFTs’ true value proposition than actual art would be. By the way, I have no intention of getting into a “But, what is art?” debate. If you find NFT art appealing, that’s cool and totally valid. My point is that the vast majority of NFT art is generated by programmers and crypto promoters for the purpose of creating NFTs. Very, very little is generated by struggling artists trying to reach a wider audience. And that kind of gives the lie to how NFTs are really about helping artists. Up the Dealer's Sleeve: Why Fungibility Matters OK, so what do we have left? We’ve flipped over all three cards, and now there seems to be nothing left on the table. Remember, the secret to understanding NFTs, just like the secret to understanding three-card monte, is figuring out what’s been taken off the table. So let’s have a look up the dealer’s sleeve and see what’s missing. Let’s start with the name. We are talking about "non-fungible tokens", so obviously fungibility has been removed, but what does that mean exactly, and why is that important? From a marketing perspective, “non-fungible tokens” is a really odd naming choice. They could have gone with “art tokens” or “creator tokens” or “collectors tokens”, but the creators and promoters went with an obscure (and difficult to pronounce) bit of financial jargon. “Non-fungible tokens.” But this makes perfect sense because, as you’ll see, NFTs have nothing to do with art and everything to do with fungibility. NFT promoters usually explain that “non-fungible” means unique, but like everything else you hear about NFTs, that's not quite true. Not exactly. Uniqueness and non-fungibility are related, but differ in one important way, and that difference is the reason NFTs exist. If something is fungible it means that it is not legally distinct from any other instance of that thing. For example, commodities are not unique and they are fungible. If you buy or sell an ounce of gold or a barrel of WTI crude, the particular ounce of gold or barrel of oil doesn’t matter; only the quantity matters. So commodities are both fungible and non-unique. Things like banknotes and stock certificates are unique, but they are also fungible. Banknotes and stock certificates have serial numbers that uniquely identify them, but that uniqueness is legally irrelevant. It’s easy to tell two different $20 bills apart. They have different serial numbers, they might be worn differently. One might have marks on it. But legally none of that matters. Every $20 bill is legally identical to every other $20 bill. The same is true for every share of Apple common stock. You can’t legally demand that a bank return a specific $20 bill or that your broker provide you with a specific share of Apple stock. Financial securities are both unique and fungible. The same holds true for cryptocurrencies. Tokens are both unique and fungible....


    Passion alone can’t make cars fly Dec 20, 2021
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    We have been dreaming about flying cars (and startups have been promising them!) for over 70 years, and it looks like we might almost be there. Orders have been placed, and delivery schedules set. Today we sit down with Tom Fukuzawa of SkyDrive, and we talk about the development of their flying car and their recent contract with the city of Osaka for air-taxi services. However, we also talk about the real difficulties of turning a group of passionate volunteers into a passionate startup. I don't want to spoil anything for you, but it did not turn out like it was supposed to. It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.


    But what if your data is too big for the Cloud? Nov 22, 2021
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    As a society, as a species, we have way too much data on our hands. A decade ago, our data got too big for our local systems and so we moved it into the cloud. And now, well, our data has gotten too big for the cloud and we're moving it back on premises. Now, I promise this will make a lot more sense in a few minutes, when we sit down with Michael Tso, co-founder of Cloudian. Cloudian makes massive scale storage systems, massive as an hundreds of petabytes of storage that can run on site and seamlessly integrate with Cloud Storage. Cloudian is also interesting, because they're one of only a handful of Japanese startups that have really succeeded in the US and European markets. And Mike and I talk a lot about how they made that happen. We talk about the challenges and the necessity of pivoting in a Japanese startup, how Cloudian's Japanese identity and culture both helped them and hurt them in their global expansion. And Mike gives some really great advice about how to sell software through channel partners and what you should really expect from those relationships. But you know, Mike tells that story much better than I can. So let's get right to the interview.


    DJ Selects: How Government Money is Hurting Japanese Startups Oct 25, 2021
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    Japanese university and government venture funds play a much larger role in Japan than in the West. I've always considered this difference to be, on balance, neutral, today's guest makes a convincing case that these funds are actually hurting the startup ecosystem here. Today we sit down and talk with Hiroaki Suga, co-founder of PeptiDream. PeptiDream is now a $7 billion biotech company, but it started out as a couple of university faculty members funding operations out of their own pockets. PeptiDream succeeded by using a very different model than that used by either the current generation of university spin-outs or biotech startups in the West. It's an interesting blueprint that other biotech firms might want to copy, but only if they are really sure that their technology will actually work. It's a great conversation, and I think you will really enjoy it.


    This disruptive tech started with a dance move Sep 27, 2021
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    It's hard to get paid to do what you love. Perhaps no one understands this better than dancers, but Taku Kodaira and his team at Mikro Entertainment are on a mission to fix that. But this conversation, and Mikro Entertainment itself, is about much more than dance. Mikro's marketplace for dance moves is just the first application of Mikro's new motion-capture technology, and things are just getting started. Today, Taku and I talk about the surprising economics of dance moves, the adoption curve of disruptive technology, dance-move lawsuits. and one very important law that looks like it is about to change. It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.


    The Future of Disrupting Japan Aug 30, 2021
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    Disrupting Japan turns seven years old this week! Unfortunately, because of current conditions in Japan, we won't be able to sit down over a beer and talk about startups live as we usually do. Today, I'd like to share a story in three acts. We'll talk about the podcasting industry, what Disrupting Japan really is, and the likely future of Japanese startup founders. Please enjoy.


    The new era of Evocative Machines. Why you’re going to love it. Jul 26, 2021
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    We speculate a lot about our future "robot servants" or "robot masters", but that whole metaphor is wrong. It's not going to happen that way. This is a very personal and rather speculative episode. No guests this time. It's just the two of us. In past episodes, you have already met some of the founders at the center of an amazing cluster of startups that have the potential to redefine the way humanity interacts with machines. Evocative Machines is a uniquely Japanese approach that has universal appeal, and I guarantee you that it's not what you expect. So let’s get right to it. Links from the Founder Everything you ever wanted to know Evocative Machines Some evocative machines mentioned in this episode The GrooveX Lovot and Kaname's interview Yukai's Bocco and Shunsuke's interview Gatebox's Hikari (We'll have to get these guys on the show!) Transcript Welcome to Disrupting Japan, straight talk from Japan's most successful entrepreneurs. I’m Tim Romero and thanks for joining me. Once again, I’ve got a special show for you today. There will be no guests no playful banter with someone speaking English as a second language. Today, it’s just you and me. Today we’ll be diving deep into a specific and unique area of Japanese innovation. There is something interesting happening in Japan, a cluster of startups working on something new. You’ve heard parts of it on past episodes, but today we are going into new and unknown territory, and I for one *love* being in new and unknown territory. It’s a trend I first talked about on Disrupting Japan a few years ago as Evocative Machines. Evocative Machines is a unique Japanese technology emerging from the nexus of artificial intelligence, robotics, and healthcare, and it is something that could utterly transform our world. It’s a technology that could birth a dozen Japanese unicorns, but we are at such an early stage and this is such a moonshot, it might not result in any at all. But a lot has changed since I first talked with you about Evocative Machines, so today I’ll explain the technology and its importance, bring you fully up to date, and then we’ll pull out our crystal balls and predict how evocative machines might actually change the world. Now, at the end of this podcast, I predict that 50% of our listeners will find what I am about to explain as interesting, but not important, another 40% will consider it important, but unlikely and impractical. And maybe 10% of you will understand that this is going to change the world and will want to be a part of it. And for those10% of you, I’ll provide a way for you to get in touch. There are amazing things about to happen. Building an Evocative Machine So what exactly is an “evocative machine”? Machines are unquestionably becoming smarter, and recently there is a lot of good work being done on creating empathetic machines. But an “evocative machine” is quite different from an empathetic machine. The distinction is that empathetic machines are those that can understand our emotions and empathize with us. Evocative machines, on the other hand, are those which evoke emotions in us. Evocative machines are machines that cause us to empathize with them. So why is this useful, let alone disruptive or transformative? The whole point of automation is to get things done more simply. I don’t want to feel sorry for my refrigerator when it breaks down. I don’t want to sympathize with my microwave about how hard it’s working when it heats my dinner. Life is stressful enough. Why waste our emotional energy on inanimate objects? Well, when you focus on a single task, that line of thinking is absolutely correct. But you know something? The Western approach to automation, AI, and robotics is hurting society. It’s grinding us down without us even realizing it, and Japan’s newly emerging evocative machines are the solution to this problem that we haven’t completely realized we have, and it’s going to change the world. The history of industrialization and of modern prosperity is very much the history of automation. We would much rather use an ATM, or better yet an app, rather than a stand in line, and talk to a teller to make a deposit. And, although it was not the case a few generations ago, today we are all perfectly capable of operating our own elevators and pumping our own gas. And 10 years from now, we will all probably have gotten used to self-checkout and self-bagging at grocery stores, or maybe the home-delivery trends that accelerated during the pandemic will continue and we’ll just order our groceries from our phones. Automation makes us all more efficient. It lets us do more with less. But, you now, we also lose something. And what we lose is important. I don’t mind buying things from vending machines or using self-checkout. And the whole e-commerce and mobile commerce revolutions have been amazing. We do get a lot more for a lot less. Adding people into the mix slows down the transaction and jacks up the price. And this is also happening in brick-and-mortar commence. Amazon is slowly rolling out it’s Amazon Go supermarkets where there are no human staff to interact with customers at all. You just go in and take what you need from the shelves. The items are then automatically charged to your account. It’s all managed on your cell phone. And that’s awesome. I mean, it’s mostly awesome. The thing is, we humans are deeply social creatures. It’s not that any one interaction with a clerk, or retail staff, or co-worker, or ticket agent really means anything to us, but collectively all those little human interactions mean a lot. The Silicon Valley Solution The future envisioned by Silicon Valley VCs is one where most of us work gig-economy jobs, conduct most of our social life online, and where we make our purchases friction-free at the tap of a button. It’s a future where inefficient human interaction is kept to an absolute minimum, and we can all get on with the task at hand. But you know what? That’s not going to happen. That would break us as human beings. There is a hopelessly misguided Western notion that what we really want is to be the center of the universe. That what we really want is for our needs catered to more quickly and more completely. We just need to keep running on our hedonic treadmills, and of course, we’ll be happy eventually. And if we are not happy yet, well that just means we have to run harder and faster and get more. But it’s nonsense. After our basic needs are met. Even the most obsequious, fawning robot servants who can read our emotions are not going to make us happy. We won’t survive the psychological strain of knowing that we are the bottleneck in every interaction. Understanding that whatever transaction we are trying to complete right now has been fully optimized and that we are the only thing slowing it down. Always being the weakest link. Always aware that we are the ones holding things up, that we are the source of friction, and that the rest of the world is standing behind us waiting for us to just finish our damn business and move the hell on. We are just not built for that kind of social stress. It would break us as a society. In fact, there are a lot of psychologists and social scientists who say it is already breaking us. The Luddite Solution So what’s the answer? The Luddite solution of moving backward and undoing automation or even slowing it down won’t work. Not in the long run. Humans are expensive, and economic progress demands that we increase efficiency by using fewer and fewer people in any given transaction, and this pushes us relentlessly towards automation. And that’s a good thing. Automation improves the overall economic well-being of society. Trying to fight automation today is just a futile as when the original Luddites went around smashing looms in the 1800s. The logical benefits from automation are overwhelming, but what we need is something to soften the emotional blow. The Evocative Solution The solution is evocative machines. The solution is machines that can make us care about them. That enable us to interact with them not int the way we interact with people, but perhaps in the way we interact with pets. We fully understand that our pets arre not human and that they do not have human emotions, but we largely treat them as if they do. The future is machines that allow, an even encourage us to form these kinds an emotional bonds with them. Think about it, many people, when they feel lonely, they buy a pet, and it works! However, when we buy a pet, when we get a dog or a cat, we don’t do it because wet want to have something love and care about us. No, we buys pets so that we have something to care for. To have something to love. More than almost anything else, we all need something to love. I’m not just talking about cute robots like GrooveX’s Lovot, or Softbank’s Pepper, or Yukai’s Bocco or even Gatebox’s Hikari. It’s not really about making robots look or act human or pet-like. It’s about giving us a new way to interact with all machines. Making a microwave or an ATM more efficient and user-friendly is fine, but imagine how much more enjoyable life would be if we looked forward to using the ATM not because it quickly got the job done, but simply because we liked that ATM. And I don’t mean we like that model of ATM or the UI/UX design, but because we like that particular ATM - the one on the first floor of the Park Street branch, the second one from the left. That one! What if we just liked that machine for what it was, and we enjoyed spending a bit of time with it. Sure, each transaction would be a bit less efficient, but so what? We don’t really need more efficiencies in our lives. Think about anything you choose to do for its own sake, something you do simply because you enjoy it, travel, writing, fishing, watching movies, eating out,...


    Why the robot uprising will give us Robot Pets, not Robot Masters Jun 28, 2021
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    Japan has a very different approach to robotics. Japan leads the world in industrial robots, but there is also a growing movement that is reinventing the way we share our world with machines. Kaname Hayashi was one of the creators of Softbank's Pepper robot. His latest startup, GrooveX, has raised over $100 million to develop the Lovot; a companion robot, or perhaps more accurately, a robot pet unlike any other. We talk about the Lovot itself, of course, but we also cover GrooveX's unique business model and talk about the very different ways that people of different sexes, ages, and nationalities interact with the Lovot. It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.


    One way that AI is transforming family farms May 31, 2021
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    Some of Japan's innovations are going to have a much bigger impact outside of Japan. Like most startups, most AgTech startups sensibly tend to focus on their own markets. While this makes things easier at first, it tends to overlook the huge challenges -- and potentially huge profits -- that exist in the developing world. Today we talk with Shunsuke Tsuboi of Sagri, and he explains how Sagri started life as a satellite -imaging startup focused on incremental innovation in Japan, but then quickly transformed itself into a disruptive FinTech startup serving India and Southeast Asia. It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.


    What you can learn from this “PoopTech” startup  May 03, 2021
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    The bacteria in our gut affect our lives and our health in ways we are just starting to fully realize, and mapping this biome is expected to advance medical science and pharmacology as mapping the human genome. However, our gut biota is not a mappable sequence, but a complex ecosystem, and one that may be unique to each individual. In our conversation, Shinji Fukuda, founder of Metabologenomic (aka Metagen), explains how the science is advancing, what kinds of consumer devices we are likely to see first, the importance of global expansion, and the challenges of being a deep-tech startup in Japan. It's a great conversation, and I think you'll enjoy it.


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