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**Directly Current: EVs for All America**

EV journalist and law student Max Patten speaks to experts in government and the auto business to de-polarize electric cars and learn about how they’re key for a renewal of American manufacturing and the survival of our auto industry.

Latest Episodes:

46: The Pilot EV Charging Network Aims to be Just as Convenient as Gas, ft. Scott Hundley Sep 22, 2026

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You've probably seen the Pilot, or Pilot Flying J, logo on your road trips if you've been around the US highway system. They operate a top-shelf fueling network, and over the last few years, they've worked with partners like EVgo and General Motors to put that expertise into charging. Max speaks with their director of light duty EV infrastructure, Scott Hundley, on how they plan to continue adding value to EV drivers. All the while, national fuel prices are driving more towards electrification, so the charging has to work.

Some highlights of the convo:
- Pilot's advantage in operating a 24/7 convenience store and being able to benchmark their gas fueling business
- Their site and pricing strategy as a more premium option along major highway corridors and recreation gateways
- How they work to keep pace with EV world, which moves at a mile a minute (i.e. the transition to NACS plugs)
- What's coming next down the pipeline, and Scott's personal favorite amenity for EV drivers

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🔗 Resources and Links:
Check out a map of Pilot's sites

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45: Inside Rivian's Outdoorsy, Reliable Fast-Charging Network with AJ Hatzis Sep 08, 2026

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Rivian is on a tear in 2026 with their affordable R2 SUV earning accolades and maxing out their American production capacity. Behind the scenes, AJ Hatzis leads strategy and growth for the company's highly-regarded DC-fast charging network, the Rivian Adventure Network (RAN, for short). Max catches up with him to learn why Rivian is investing so much in its own chargers, even for non-Rivian EVs, and what makes them special.

Some highlights of the convo:
- Rivian's vertical integration advantage at tying in great charging hardware with a reliable ecosystem
- The differing strategies between retail hubs and remote outposts that Rivian serves
- The brand investment made at sites like Moab where you can buy granola and test drive an R2!
- What AJ's learned in his decade-plus of experience in the evolving DCFC business

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🔗 Resources and Links:
Check out a map of Rivian's sites
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44: Behind the Scenes of Mike Murphy's Cross-Country EV Road Trip Aug 11, 2026

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EVs for All America founder Mike Murphy just went cross-country, 3,000 miles with zero gas and plenty of American factory tours in his brand new Porsche Cayenne Electric. Max and Mike catch up to see how the journey went, unpack how easy and fast charging has become, and the highs and lows of seeing free world auto investment in a landscape of turbulent US policy contrasted by clear global progress in electrification.

Some highlights of the journey and their conversation:
- A drone mishap at a windy Bucc-ees station in Texas
- A missed highway exit for a critical cahrging stop and an opportune turnout that let Mike roast some fancy tires on gravel
- Mike's stops at from Tesla, Honda, Francis Energy, LG Energy that tell a story of American investment
- The duo's recommendations on the best non-Porsche road tripping EVs to buy for the rest of us

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Resources and Links:
Watch the full series
Read Mike's Substack writeup on the journey

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43: Inside the Charging Hardware Business with Autel's Dario Pagani Jul 21, 2026

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Dario Pagani transitioned from ChargePoint to Autel Energy years ago as the compancy, once a scan-tool manufacturer from Shenzhen, was building out its transition to charging hardware with a North Carolina factory and California-based innovation center. He's ready to share some of the trends he's seen in both the level 2 (slow) and DC (fast) charging industries for EVs, where market and incentive structures are shaping a lucrative but novel business that's part-construction, part-manufacturing reliant on global supply chains, and part-technology company.

Max and Dario go over
- The aggressive pace of EV charging relative to modest EV passenger adoption in the US
- The challenges since COVID of being a global manufacturer who produces their own hardware
- The evolution of his role from being at a CPO (Charge Point Operator) to a company that ships interoperable hardware that is flexible
- Trends he's seeing in the charging business as retail and multifamily adoption grows

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Resources and Links:
Check out Dario's LinkedIn

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42: China, Detroit, and the Hybrid Moment with Jamie Butters (Auto Town Radio) Jun 30, 2026

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Jamie Butters was the Editor in Chief of Automotive News, has covered the Motor City at outlets like the Wall Street Journal, and is hosting a regular radio show called Auto Town speaking to folks inside the American car industry. Max speaks with him to get an idea at how Detroit is doing in the current US moment where oil prices are high, consumers love hybrids, and fuel standards are absent, giving automakers a spout of relief but also uncertainty for the future ahead as Chinese cars continue their global conquest abroad.

Max and Jamie go over
- The pause in fuel economy standards giving American automakers relief
- Hybrid portfolios and the hype over "EREVs" in Detroit
- The tension of value per dollar to the consumer and privacy/national domestic manufacturing that Chinese EVs present to North America
- The enduring, emotional appeal of combustion to enthusiasts

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Resources and Links:
Listen to Jamie's Auto Town on Radio or Podcast Feeds

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41: The Path to Oil Independence for the US, with Ben Prochazka (Electrification Coalition) Jun 09, 2026

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Transportation electrification is often framed in environmental terms, but Ben Prochazaka and his colleagues at the Electrification Coalition present a different reason to plug in. Oil dependence is a dangerous addiction for economic and geopolitical reasons, as current events have reminded many Americans. He joins the show to explain the progress made in EVs, both passenger and freight, and how barriers like affordability are rapidly becoming less steep.

Max and Ben go over
- The roadblocks to EVs in charging, supply chain, and affordability
- Oil dependency in the US and why electrification is a must
- The progress in medium and heavy duty electrification with Tesla Semi
- The unfair surface transportation bill being proposed to unduly tax EV drivers

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Resources and Links:
Tell your Congress person about the unfair EV bill
Stay tuned to the Electrification Roadmap

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40: The Future of the Grid and EVs, with Zach Woogen (VGIC) Apr 21, 2026

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Many new EVs like GM's EV pickup trucks, Ford's upcoming UEV, and Tesla's Cybertruck are capable of exporting onboard power from their large batteries into someone's home to act as a bckup generator, or even back into the grid to act as a grid stabilizer that could save people money on their bill each month. This is the promise of vehicle-to-grid. However,. the rules around vehicle-grid interconnection are fractured, local, and still nascent. Zach and his team at the Vehicle Grid Integration Council (VGIC) have been working to change that, making sure EVs and utilities are ready for the future in a safe, responsible way.

Max and Zach go over
- The bottlenecks to adoption that have slowed the technology
- The promise VGI has for a more strained than ever grid
- The work some states like Maryland have done to advance the ball
- The interoperability problem around vehicles, chargers, and gateway switches
- Driving down the cost of V2G systems, which are expensive today

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Resources and Links:
Check out VGIC's work
Follow Zach on LinkedIn
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39: Why Kia Isn't Slowing Down on EVs in America, with James Bell Apr 07, 2026

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James Bell is the head of PR and comms for Kia in America, and he's overseen the brand evolve from being a budget/used car alternative into a premium competitor, particularly in the EV space. Hot on the heels of announcing the affordable EV3 for the US, James speaks with Max to discuss how Kia isn't letting up on its EV platforms and strategy despite the doom and gloom of some US market forecasters. In fact, he's quite confident EVs are an inevitable future for passenger transport, even if some of his colleagues at other OEMs are taking big writedowns and blaming EVs for strategy failures.

Max and James go over
- Kia's reinvention as a premium, tech-forward brand competing with European auto
- The Georgia plants where many Kia are built in the US and consumers wanting desirable product regardless of origin
- The new EV3 which competes with the Bolt and Nissan LEAF as an affordable but desirable compact car
- His experience almost running out of range in a tiny Mercedes B-class electric during the very early days of EVs

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Resources and Links:
Check out the new Kia EV3

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38: Ford's Alan Clarke on Building an Affordable, Next-Gen EV Pickup Truck Mar 17, 2026

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Alan Clarke, executive director of Advanced EV Programs at Ford, joins Max to discuss his team's work on the Universal EV Platform—an ambitious plan to make low-cost, next-gen vehicles that make the existing Mustang Mach-E and Ford F-150 Lightning look old-school. Ford's first BEV efforts were well received but had no path to profitability and were simply too expensive for consumers. Now, his team of Tesla vets and auto industry outsiders is using first principles engineering to do more with less, starting with a Ranger-sized pickup truck around $30,000.

Max and Alan go over
- The engineering tradeoffs going into the design like battery chemistry choices
- Emerging use cases like vehicle to grid and vehicle to home
- What first principals engineering looks like and the benefit of starting fresh
- Merging Michigan and California cultures to create a startup environment inside of one of the world's largest automakers

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Resources and Links:
Check out Ford's Bounty Hunters video

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37: Affordable EVs are a Must for the Auto Industry, with Ed Kim (AutoPacific) Feb 24, 2026

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Ed Kim joins Max from AutoPacific, where he's the chief analyst, to discuss data and insights he's gotten from working with nearly every major OEM on EVs' near future outlook. The good news? There's lots of work on affordability. Also, Republicans really are warming to EVs, as our own polling also shows. The bad news? The affordable EVs can't come soon enough, as fire sales on existing inventory is likely unsustainable for the industry.,

Max and Ed go over