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    DIE-ALOGUE

    What are we even talking about when we talk about true crime?

    That’s the big question DIE-ALOGUE host, Rebekah Sebastian, is getting to the heart of when she interviews her guests — a diverse cross section of true crime and criminal justice players. From lawyers and creators, to authors and survivors, DIE-ALOGUE examines the most compelling aspects of true crime, challenges the genre’s tropes, and explores the ethics of true crime content for both creators and consumers. Listen in to hear the leading voices in crime, culture and justice.

    KILL THE SMALL TALK. Start a DIE-ALOGUE.

    Visit https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/diealogue-episodes

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    Kathryn Miles | Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shendoah Mountain Murders Apr 13, 2022
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    Julie Williams and Lollie Winans were murdered in the Shenandoah Mountains. Why hasn’t their case been solved? And should we really stay out of the forest?
    Today’s episode — the second in our “New True Crime Books” series, features an enthralling read: Trailed: One Woman’s Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders. My guest is author Kathryn Miles, an outdoor enthusiast who shares a connection to the story and compelling theory on who killed these amazing young women.
    During the course of our conversation, Kathyrn leads us through the wilds of the back country — from the use of nature as a tool in trauma recovery, to the patriarchal aspects of wilderness culture. In addition to her quest for justice, Kathryn also fights for equity on the trails and is a fierce champion for people of all races, colors, and sizes, to enjoy all that the woods have to offer.
    TRAILED: One Woman’s Quest to Solve the Shenandoah Murders launches May 3, but is available for pre-order now.
    Pre-order TRAILED https://amzn.to/3DJmD4d
    Learn more about Kathryn and her work here: https://www.kathrynmiles.net/
    Follow Kathryn on social media:
    https://www.facebook.com/TrailedTheBook/
    https://twitter.com/Kathryn_Miles
    https://www.instagram.com/kathryn_miles1/
    Today’s Promo is for a podcast called True Crime Cat Lawyer!
    Listen to TCCL wherever you get your podcasts: https://www.truecrimecatlawyer.com/episodes
    Did you enjoy this episode of DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass. https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    Follow us on social media — we are @diealoguepod across all platforms.
    Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    Thank you for joining the conversation. You can always drop a line via the website https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    Lis Wiehl | Author, A Spy in Plain Sight Apr 06, 2022
    Show notes

    Do you think it’s easier or harder to be a spy today, compared to the Cold War and otherpoints in history? Robert Hanssen managed to operate as a double agent while employed by the FBI, who sold our secrets to Russia, for two decades between 1979-2001.
    We are moving into a new series - one listeners always love: new titles in the true crime historical crime categories. These books are just hitting the market and these conversations will give you unique access to the author’s journey to writing the story and their POV on the crimes at hand.
    Today’s featured author is Lis Wiehl. There’s a chance you have already read one of her books, after all, she’s written twenty! In addition to being a NY Times bestselling author, Lis is also a third generation federal prosecutor, and regular commentator and legal analyst on news outlets like Fox, CNN, NBC, and radio shows like NPR’s All Things Considered.
    So back to the original question: is it easier to be a spy today? Yes and no. Listen in for the surprising answer, and why it’s so important to Lis to tell historical stories that have current implications. If you think Hanssen’s story stands alone in history unrelated to what is happening in Russia and the Ukraine today, think again.
    Lis’s new book, A Spy in Plain Sight, launches in May but is available for pre-order now! It is a captivating page turner and does not read like a history textbook, though you will no doubt learn a lot.
    Pre-order A Spy in Plain Sight here. https://amzn.to/3DJmD4d
    Learn more about Lis and her work here:http://liswiehlbooks.com/
    Follow Lis on social media:
    Facebook: @liswiehl
    Twitter: @LisWiehl
    Instagram: @lis.wiehl
    Did you enjoy this episode of DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass. https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    Follow us on social media — we are @diealoguepod across all platforms.
    Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    Thank you for joining the conversation. You can always drop a line via the website https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    Jonquilyn Hill | Through the Cracks Podast Mar 30, 2022
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    Do we consider the media an institution that can have an impact on justice? If you are today's guest, the answer is yes, and she would know as a journalist and reporter at WAMU, a DC outlet of NPR.
    This episode is part 4 of the series, MISSING, MURDERED + THE MEDIA. Jonquilyn Hill is also the creator and host of "Through the Cracks," investigates gaps in our society and the people who fall through them. Season 1 centers around the story of Relisha Rudd, an eight year old girl who went missing from a homeless shelter in Washington DC in 2014.
    In addition to exploring the complex factors at play in Relisha's story, Jonquilyn and Rebekah examine the racialized aspects of the true crime genre and just who the media finds "relatable?"
    You can read listen to Through the Cracks here: https://wamu.org/show/through-the-cracks/
    Your can follow Jonquilyn Hill on twitter: @jonquilynhill
    The podcast promo you heard today is for the show, SAY THEIR NAME, by DCP Entertainment:
    "Say Their Name" focuses on the assault and killing of unarmed Black people by police and in ‘Stand Your Ground’ states, highlighting incidents throughout the United States.
    Serving as a memorialization for these individuals, we learn about who these people were through the words of the people that knew them best, while also helping us understand what these situations do to their families and communities not only in the immediate aftermath, but also what happens when the news-cycle moves on and the social media attention shifts focus.
    Season 2 also highlights more stories from Women who have lost their lives due to negative police encounters. Listen wherever you get your podcasts:
    Find Say Their Name wherever you get your shows.
    Ways to support the show below!
    https://www.dcpofficial.com/saytheirname
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass. https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    Do you love DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    Follow us on social media — we are @diealoguepod across all platforms.
    Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    CONTACT:
    Thank you for joining the conversation. You can always drop a line via the website https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    Tamar Sarai Davis | Missing, Murdered + The Media Mar 23, 2022
    Show notes

    What if “the media” isn’t the problem? What if it’s us? Today’s guest believes the imbalance of media coverage for black women begins with our own broken values.
    This episode is part 3 of the series, MISSING, MURDERED + THE MEDIA. I couldn’t cover this subject without a journalist's perspective. Today, I'm speaking with Tamar Sarai Davis, features reporter at PRISM, a non-profit media company. Tamar wrote about Lauren Smith Fields’ case and focused specifically on the ways Black TikTok and Twitter elevated Lauren’s story to the public’s consciousness.
    You can read her article here. https://prismreports.org/2022/02/11/justice-for-lauren-smith-fields-and-the-black-tiktokers-who-made-sure-we-knew-her-name/
    Your can follow Tamar on twitter and below are the articles she references in the
    interview.
    https://www.motherjones.com/media/2020/06/true-crime-podcasts-white-women/
    https://prismreports.org/2021/10/01/alive-but-still-not-free/
    https://prismreports.org/2020/07/07/scripted-cop-dramas-paint-a-dangerously-false-picture/
    Join me next week as continue this conversation with journalist Jonquilyn Hill, host of the podcast, Through the Cracks.
    The podcast promo you heard today is SINISTERHOOD. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or learn more on their website: https://www.sinisterhood.com/
    Ways to support the show below!
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass. https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    Do you love DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    Follow us on social media — we are @diealoguepod across all platforms.
    Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    CONTACT:
    Thank you so much for joining me in these conversations. You can always reach out to me via my website: https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    Dr. Danielle Slakoff | Missing, Murdered and The Media Mar 16, 2022
    Show notes

    New Series: MISSING, MURDERED + THE MEDIA.
    As we explore which came first; the media's projection of who we value as a victim, or our own societal values that media reflects back to us, we continue the conversation around the disparity of coverage for women and girls of color.
    Today's guest has extensive first hand knowledge of this reality. Dr. Danielle Slakoff's dissertation was the media's portrayal of women and girls as victims of crime, with a particular focus on how race and ethnicity may impact these portrayals. Dr. Slakoff is an Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Sacramento State, and is frequently called upon by the media to speak about missing white woman syndrome and related topics. You can learn more about her and her work on her website:https://daniellecslakoff.weebly.com/about.html
    I am grateful for Danielle's work and the resources she shared in the episode:
    Framing the Victim by Nancy Burns: https://www.amazon.com/Framing-Victim-Domestic-Violence-Problems/dp/0202307417
    Research on Missing + Murdered Indigenous Women + Girls, Aninta Luchessi and Abigail Echo-Hawk: https://mmiwresources.org/items/show/50
    Black and Missing Foundation: https://blackandmissinginc.com/
    Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/
    Join me next week as continue this conversation with journalist Tamar Sarai Davis, who reports for Prism, an independent and nonprofit newsroom led by journalists of color.
    PROMO!
    The podcast promo you heard today is SINISTERHOOD. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or learn more on their website: https://www.sinisterhood.com/
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass! https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    SUPPORT:
    Do you love DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    FOLLOW! We are @diealoguepod across all platforms
    RATE: Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    CONTACT:
    Thank you so much for joining me in these conversations. You can always reach out to me via my website: https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapetruemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    Amara Cofer | Black Girl Gone Podcast Mar 09, 2022
    Show notes

    New Series: MISSING, MURDERED + THE MEDIA.
    Kicking it off with my first guest, Amara Cofer — host of the podcast, Black Girl Gone. Amara brings a whole new perspective to the conversation, one that actually inspired me to change the title of the series. She speaks a lot about the importance of social media as a tactic in helping to raise awareness for cases that are historically left out of the mainstream media's coverage.
    With 95k TikTok followers, Amara knows a thing or two about leveraging the power of social media to help a case. She does it all the time on her podcast and TikTok channel.
    Amara set this series up perfectly and I will be exploring more facets of this complicated subject over the next few weeks.
    Below is a link to the TikTok played in today's episode. (Not Amara's)
    https://www.tiktok.com/@macdaddy_lyn/video/7053866519243017518?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&lang=en
    Amara's Podcast: https://www.blackgirlgonepodcast.com/
    Amara on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@blackgirlgonepodcast
    Join me next week as continue this conversation with women in academics and journalism who share their point of view.
    The podcast promo you heard today is SINISTERHOOD. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, or learn more on their website: https://www.sinisterhood.com/
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass! https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    SUPPORT:
    Do you love DIE-ALOGUE? Please tell a friend, share on your social media, and consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    FOLLOW! We are @diealoguepod across all platforms
    RATE: Please rate and review DIE-ALOGUE if you haven't already?! Then share the show with your friends, family, foes, + true crime communities.
    Rate on apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    Rate on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    CONTACT:
    Thank you so much for joining me in these conversations. You can always reach out to me via my website: https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/discover/#contact
    or by email: rebekah@yellowtapetruemedia.com
    DIE-ALOGUE is part of the Crawlspace Network, and is hosted and edited by Rebekah Sebastian. Audio engineering by Jason Usry.


    RE-PLAY! The Anita Hill Story with the hosts from Hashtag History Mar 02, 2022
    Show notes

    WELCOME TO WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH! This is REPLAY of a March 2021 episode with Rachel and Leah, the wonderful hosts of Hashtag History Podcast! Enjoy!
    ____________________________________________________________________________________
    Who better to celebrate Women’s History Month than with Rachel + Leah, the wonderful hosts of Hashtag History podcast?! On today’s episode, the historians in residence unpack the whole Anita Hill case from her early career to how she found herself at the center of the Supreme Court hearings in 1991. Spoiler alert: Anita Hill DID NOT come forward. ( she was subpoenaed) This story has far reaching impact from sexual harassment to gender, race, politics and power and Rachel and Leah are breaking it all down. I highly recommend their podcast! You can learn more about them and listen here: https://www.hashtaghistory-pod.com/
    DIE-ALOGUE is sponsored in part by She’s Birdie – the stylish and effective, personal safety alarms that I honestly don’t leave home without! You can get 10% off your Birdie purchase when you shop this link: https://www.shesbirdie.com/?rfsn=4885943.d5e5e8
    DIE-ALOGUE will be at Crimecon in Las Vegas, April 28- May 1, 2022! Please come say hello on podcast row! Use the Code: DIEALOGUE when you register for 10% off your pass! https://crimecon.regfox.com/atokad543
    DIE-ALOGUE: a true crime conversation, is a weekly true crime podcast, hosted and proudced by Rebekah Sebastian. Edited by Jason Usry. Original Music by Olivia Himes. https://soundcloud.com/olivia-himes
    Love DIE-ALOGUE? Please rate + review the show! ——> https://podfollow.com/diealogue
    Let’s Kill the Small Talk + Start a DIE-ALOGUE. FOLLOW! Instagram Facebook Twitter: @diealoguepod | email: rebekah@yellowtapemedia.com


    Business of Cults Part 3 Feb 23, 2022
    Show notes

    This is Part 3 of a series, THE BUSINESS OF CULTS. Rebekah Sebastian and Javier Leiva visit businesses run by cults. Also, what happens when a cult leader dies or goes to prison? Can the cult go on without its leader? Find out which cults are trying to continue the organization without any clear leadership.
    The Business of Cults is a three-part series hosted by Rebekah Sebastian with the DIE-ALOGUE Podcast and Javier Leiva of PRETEND podcast. Over the next three episodes, you will hear from; cult experts Rick Alan Ross and Dr. Janja Lalich, author and linguist, Amanda Montell, ABC Correspondent, Rebecca Jarvis, Cult Survivors, Frank Lyford, and Sarah Edmondson.
    If you enjoy this episode and series, please leave a five star rating and review on Apple + Spotify!
    APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    Speaking of cults, follow us:
    Rebekah Sebastian DIE-ALOGUE PODCAST @diealoguepod | https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/
    Javier Leiva PRETEND PODCAST @pretendpod | https://pretendradio.org/
    Can’t wait for the next episode? Our Patrons are receiving The Business of Cults early and ad- free! Consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home


    The Business of Cults Part 2 Feb 16, 2022
    Show notes

    The Business of Cults is a three-part series hosted by Rebekah Sebastian with the DIE-ALOGUE Podcast and Javier Leiva of PRETEND podcast. Over the next three episodes, you will hear from; cult experts Rick Alan Ross and Dr. Janja Lalich, author and linguist, Amanda Montell, ABC Correspondent, Rebecca Jarvis, Cult Survivors, Frank Lyford, and Sarah Edmondson.
    Cults are businesses too. Like any company, cults recruit, have middle management, and some even have succession plans.
    Many of these religious sects are tax-exempt. Like Scientology, even some fringe religions are recognized by the Internal Revenue Service.
    Not all cults are religious. At first glance, some cults don't seem culty at all. For example, take a closer look at businesses such as multi-level marketing companies. These companies are masquerading as a business, but in reality, they're run by narcissistic ego-maniacs.
    The Cult Startup
    Like businesses, cults go through different phases. First, there's a startup phase where an entrepreneurial cult leader leads a movement and brings new innovative and revolutionary ideas. Take, for example, , leader of the People's Temple. In the beginning, he integrated his congregation during the Civil Rights Movement. After that, he was heavily involved in politics and social activism. The allure was undeniable. But in the end, Jones ordered 909 commune members to end their lives.
    Part one focuses on The C Suite: Chief Cult Executives. Part two features an interview with former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson. And Part three explores the question, can a cult survive without its leader?
    Listen to part one of the Business of Cults on either the PRETEND or DIE-ALOGUE Podcast feeds.
    Join us as we explore the evolution of cults; from start up to succession plan, and everything in between, we want to know what practices cults take from businesses — and perhaps even scarier, what tactics businesses borrow from cults. Javier and I also take it out of the studio and into the field for some on the ground research in businesses that have active ties to known cults.
    Listen along and find out more about The Business of Cults.
    Part 3 drops on Feb. 23
    If you enjoy this episode and series, please leave a five star rating and review on Apple + Spotify!
    APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/die-alogue-a-true-crime-conversation/id1470890320
    SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/64IHCryN2jFaswrVIzMV8w
    Speaking of cults, follow us:
    Rebekah Sebastian DIE-ALOGUE PODCAST @diealoguepod | https://www.rebekahsebastian.com/
    Javier Leiva PRETEND PODCAST @pretendpod | https://pretendradio.org/
    Can’t wait for the next episode? Our Patrons are receiving The Business of Cults early and ad- free! Consider becoming a DIE-HARD on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/creator-home
    Sources
    CULTS INSIDE OUT
    https://www.amazon.com/Cults-Inside-Out-How-People/dp/149731660X
    BAD BLOOD
    https://www.amazon.com/Bad-Blood-John-Carreyrou-audiobook/dp/B07BMCMS5L/ref=sr_1_1?crid=FVR825QEQ9VP&keywords=bad+blood&qid=1644254218&s=books&sprefix=bad+blo%2Cstripbooks%2C236&sr=1-1
    CULTISH
    https://www.amazon.com/Cultish-Language-Fanaticism-Amanda-Montell/dp/0062993151/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12G58GJZ1GL3S&keywords=cultish+book&qid=1644254268&s=books&sprefix=cultish+book%2Cstripbooks%2C88&sr=1-1
    Bounded Choice
    https://www.amazon.com/Bounded-Choice-Lalich/dp/0520384024/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1AIVW0HEE244N&keywords=bounded+choice+book&qid=1644254314&s=books&sprefix=bounded+choice+book%2Cstripbooks%2C131&sr=1-1
    CLIPS
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/real-housewives-of-salt-lake-city-heather-gay-says-all-her-co-stars-are-the-worst-mormons.html/


    The Business of Cults Part 1 Feb 09, 2022
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    I put on my power suit for this one. Join me and my friend and podcast collaborator, Javier Levia, as we explore THE BUSINESS OF CULTS.
    The Business of Cults is a three-part series hosted by Rebekah Sebastian of the DIE-ALOGUE Podcast, and Javier Leiva of PRETEND podcast. Over the next three episodes, you will hear from; cult experts Rick Alan Ross and Dr. Janja Lalich, author and linguist, Amanda Montell, ABC Correspondent, Rebecca Jarvis, Cult Survivors, Frank Lyford, and Sarah Edmondson.
    Part one focuses on The C Suite: Chief Cult Executives. Part two features an interview with former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson. And Part three explores the question, can a cult survive without its leader?
    Listen to part one of the Business of Cults on either the PRETEND or DIE-ALOGUE Podcast feeds.
    Join us as we explore the evolution of cults; from start up to succession plan, and everything in between, we want to know what practices cults take from businesses — and perhaps even scarier, what tactics businesses borrow from cults? Javier and I also take it out of the studio and into the field for some on the ground research in businesses that have active ties to known cults.
    Listen along and find out more about The Business of Cults.
    Part 2 drops on Feb. 16
    Part 3 drops on Feb. 23
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    Sources
    CULTS INSIDE OUT
    https://www.amazon.com/Cults-Inside-Out-How-People/dp/149731660X
    BAD BLOOD
    https://www.amazon.com/Bad-Blood-John-Carreyrou-audiobook/dp/B07BMCMS5L/ref=sr_1_1?crid=FVR825QEQ9VP&keywords=bad+blood&qid=1644254218&s=books&sprefix=bad+blo%2Cstripbooks%2C236&sr=1-1
    CULTISH
    https://www.amazon.com/Cultish-Language-Fanaticism-Amanda-Montell/dp/0062993151/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12G58GJZ1GL3S&keywords=cultish+book&qid=1644254268&s=books&sprefix=cultish+book%2Cstripbooks%2C88&sr=1-1
    Bounded Choice
    https://www.amazon.com/Bounded-Choice-Lalich/dp/0520384024/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1AIVW0HEE244N&keywords=bounded+choice+book&qid=1644254314&s=books&sprefix=bounded+choice+book%2Cstripbooks%2C131&sr=1-1
    CLIPS
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCBPlpPnVpk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacmCO7GDR4


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