Stay ConnectedFrom the award-winning creator of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Host Dan Szematowicz tells good stories about bad people who do very bad things.
Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired… to be Deviant.
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In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden sits down with Atlanta-based defense attorney Kirby Clements. Kirby, who has experience on both sides of the legal system as a former prosecutor, provides a compelling look into the American justice system. They discuss the intricacies of representing clients, the challenges faced by defense attorneys, and the courtroom dynamics that often surprise the public. Kirby shares personal stories from his career, shedding light on the emotional and practical aspects of criminal defense. This episode is a must for anyone interested in the law, and the real-life scenarios that attorneys navigate daily.
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00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:41 Kirby's Journey to Becoming a Lawyer
02:38 Early Career as a Prosecutor
04:00 Memorable Courtroom Stories
10:29 Transition to Criminal Defense
18:29 Confronting a Killer Client
19:34 The Role of a Defense Attorney
20:24 Prosecutor vs. Defense: A Philosophical Debate
21:55 Defending the Guilty and the Innocent
24:19 The Emotional Toll of Defending the Innocent
27:35 Public Perception and Jury Bias
32:58 The Reality of the Criminal Justice System
37:10 The Impact of Resources on Legal Defense
38:31 Final Thoughts and Reflections
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In our latest episode of DEVIANT, Andrew Iden looks at the Hart Family case through the lens of an adoption system that may have failed to protect, and a process that favored two women who would become abusers, and then murderers. How did six children slip through the cracks?
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When the Hart Family arrived at events and concerts, people noticed. Image was everything. And that was by Jen Hart's design...she curated a well crafted image. In this week’s episode, Deviant's Andrew Iden explores the careful facade that the Harts created, and reckons with what was seen vs the darkness that is now known.
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Following the decision to rule the Hart family crash an intentional act, Sheriff Tom Allman holds a coroner’s inquest, which reveals the haunting 48 hours leading up to the crash, and a clearer picture of who Jen and Sarah Hart were as mothers.
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To outside appearances, Jennifer and Sarah Hart are the model of a happy modern family. They're married, have six adopted children and are always going on adventures. And then, in March of 2018, the Harts drive their van off a cliff in California, plunging into the Pacific Ocean. All six of their children are in the van with them. None survive. Investigators quickly realize this is no accident. As they learn more about the Hart family, it becomes clear that behind the happy social media posts and happy public faces, there is darkness. What happened in the Hart family van, and why?
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In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we chat with John Oller, an author, journalist, and former attorney. John has written several books, including his latest, "Gangster Hunters," which explores the early days of the FBI during the 1930s gangster era. John shares the fascinating story behind his first dive into true crime writing: revisiting a cold case about Christie Mullins, a 14-year-old girl murdered in 1975. This case, which went viral in Columbus, Ohio, led to a reopening of the investigation and the policing naming a new suspect. John also discusses the challenges he faced in uncovering new evidence and getting the case reopened. Additionally, we delve into his latest book, exploring why the 1930s gangsters continue to captivate us and the role of the FBI in catching these notorious criminals. Check out host Andrew Iden and John's conversation about crime, history, and the relentless pursuit of justice.
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Steve Gunderson spent his entire law enforcement career as the tip of the spear. He fought against violent extremists and domestic terror groups, hell bent on inflicting pain on American citizens. As an agent with the ATF, he was front and center, infiltrating the KKK, the Aryan Brotherhood, learning about their moves, their mission, and trying to bring them to justice before they could continue their brand of violence. In this episode of Off Script, Gunderson joins Andrew Iden to share some amazing stories of a life and job spent fighting back against hate.
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For years, Rachel Jeffs lived behind the walls of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ-Latter Day Saints, the FLDS. There, she was abused: physically, mentally and sexually, by Warren Jeffs, the leader of the polygamist group. He was also her father. Rachel has managed to escape the group, and in doing so, is telling the world about her experience as a member of the FLDS, and the control that women inside the group live under. In this episode of Off Script, she shares her story with host Andrew Iden. It's a story of bravery and survival, how she escaped, and even her current views on religion and spirituality.
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"Russia's spies" has been a major news story for almost a decade now. They are here, in our computers, and on the ground. So what's it like to be one? Jack Barsky (not his original name) was a spy for the KGB at the height of the Cold War. He was a member of the elite Directorate S...the illegals. While training in Moscow, he learned how to act like an American, or so he thought. He figured it out though, and lived in the US, pretending to be American, for 15 years until the FBI put it all together. In this DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Jack, now a US citizen, to get his incredible story.
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In April of 2018, Alek Minassian sits in a Toronto police station after using a van to kill eleven people. Now, investigators are trying to figure out who he is, and why he did this. Minassian is happy to talk about it all. What he spins is a tale years in the making, winding himself into the very fabric of what he calls the beta uprising...the incel revolution. Who are the incels? What do they want? How much of a threat are they today? DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz explores all these questions, and concludes the story of the the 2018 Toronto Van Attack.
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