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    Democracy Paradox

    Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? ​​My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.

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    When Democracy Breaks: 1930s Japan with Louise Young May 21, 2024
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    There's a fog of democratic breakdown where really you cannot see the actual impact of your choices or your actions until after the fact.

    Louise Young

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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

    Louise Young is a professor of history at the University of Wisonsin-Madison. She is the author of the chapter “The Breakdown of Democracy in 1930s Japan.” It is part of the volume When Democracy Breaks: Studies in Democratic Erosion and Collapse, From Ancient Athens to the Present Day.

    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Democratization - 2:52
    • What Made it Different - 11:41
    • Democratic Breakdown - 20:14
    • Resisting Democratic Erosion - 37:15

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    When Democracy Breaks: Ancient Athens with Josiah Ober and Federica Carugati

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    When Democracy Breaks: Ancient Athens with Josiah Ober and Federica Carugati May 14, 2024
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    What strikes me about that period is that democracy was not inevitable.

    Federica Carugati
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    Josiah Ober is a Professor of Political Science and Classics at Stanford University. Federica Carugati is a Lecturer in History and Political Economy at King's College London. They are the coauthors of the chapter “Democratic Collapse and Recovery in Ancient Athens (413-403 BCE)” in a new book called When Democracy Breaks: Studies in Democratic Erosion and Collapse, From Ancient Athens to the Present Day.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Democratization - 3:28
    • Breakdown - 17:36
    • Rebirth - 36:48
    • Final Lessons - 47:51

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    When Democracy Breaks: Studies in Democratic Erosion and Collapse, From Ancient Athens to the Present Day edited by Archon Fung, David Moss, and Odd Arne Westad
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    Does Democracy Rely on a Civic Bargain? Josiah Ober Makes the Case
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    Alexander Keyssar on Why We Still Have the Electoral College May 07, 2024
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    I think that if you got rid of the Electoral College, in the short run, there would be losers. But it hasn't always been the same group and it hasn't always been the same party.

    Alexander Keyssar
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Alexander Keyssar is the Matthew W. Stirling Jr. Professor of History and Social Policy at Harvard University and the author of the book Why Do We Still Have the Electoral College?
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Origin of the Electoral College - 3:05
    • Proportional or District Electoral Votes - 17:37
    • Race and Civil Rights - 27:02
    • Why No Reform - 41:44

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    Heather Cox Richardson on History, Conservatism, and the Awakening of American Democracy
    Daniel Ziblatt on American Democracy, the Republican Party, and the Tyranny of the Minority
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    Robert Kagan on the Threat of Antiliberalism Apr 30, 2024
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    You actually have to fight in every generation, if you want to preserve liberalism. It's not just going to preserve itself. It's not just the end of history. It isn't just the final resting place of humanity - not by any stretch of the imagination. It's a continual struggle.

    Robert Kagan
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    Robert Kagan is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a columnist for The Washington Post. He is the author of many books including most recently The Ghost at the Feast: America and the Collapse of World Order, 1900-1941 and Rebellion: How Antiliberalism Is Tearing America Apart--Again.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Traditions of Liberalism and Antiliberalism - 3:04
    • Antiliberalism as an Idea - 8:35
    • Tension Within Ourselves - 21:25
    • Future of Liberalism and Antiliberalism - 37:42

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    Rebellion: How Antiliberalism Is Tearing America Apart--Again by Robert Kagan
    The Ghost at the Feast: America and the Collapse of World Order, 1900-1941 by Robert Kagan
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    Robert Kagan Looks to American History to Explain Foreign Policy Today
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    Rep Mikie Sherrill on Whether the Bipartisan Consensus on Foreign Policy Will Hold and on Threats to American Democracy Apr 23, 2024
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    People in Congress are leaders in their communities and people in some parts of this country are, in my opinion, being led astray.

    Rep. Mikie Sherrill
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    A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.
    Representative Mikie Sherrill represents the 11th Congressional District of New Jersey. She sits on the Committee on Armed Services, Subcommittee on Readiness, Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces, and the Select Committee on Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party. She holds a Bachelor’s degree from the United States Naval Academy, a Master’s degree in Global History from the London School of Economics and Political Science, and a Law degree from Georgetown University. She is a military veteran with almost ten years of active duty service.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Personal Background - 3:48
    • Polarization and Foreign Policy - 13:50
    • China - 23:36
    • American Democracy - 28:41

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    Saskia Brechenmacher on Promoting Gender Equality Through Democracy Assistance Aid Apr 16, 2024
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    What does it mean to empower women politically in a context in which the dominant party is engaged in democratic backsliding or other forms of illiberal and exclusionary politics? Would you still want more women to be part of that party?

    Saskia Brechenmacher
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    Saskia Brechenmacher is a fellow in Carnegie’s Democracy, Conflict, and Governance Program. Recently, she coauthored a new book with Katherine Mann called Aiding Empowerment: Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality in Politics.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality - 3:13
    • Gender Quotas - 12:38
    • Challenges - 28:12
    • New Ideas and Issues - 44:53

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    Aiding Empowerment: Democracy Promotion and Gender Equality in Politics by Saskia Brechenmacher and Katherine Mann
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    Marc Plattner Has Quite a Bit to Say About Democracy
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    Democracy in a Postmodern Era with Bruce Ackerman Apr 09, 2024
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    We have to reconstruct the foundations of our democracy, building on the past, not repudiating everything we're building on it.

    Bruce Ackerman
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    Bruce Ackerman is the Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale. He is well known as a legal scholar and a political philosopher. His most recent book is The Postmodern Predicament: Existential Challenges of the Twenty-First Century.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Modernity - 2:37
    • Postmodernism - 15:26
    • Deliberation Day - 36:08
    • Rethinking Modernity - 43:28

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    The Postmodern Predicament: Existential Challenges of the Twenty-First Century by Bruce Ackerman
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    Yascha Mounk Warns Against a Misguided New Ideology
    Zizi Papacharissi Dreams of What Comes After Democracy
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    Adam Casey on How Military Aid Can Stabilize and Destabilize Foreign Autocrats Apr 02, 2024
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    We thought we were strengthening the militaries in the Cold War. In fact, the political effects of those strengthened militaries ended up leading to a longer-term deterioration and instability.

    Adam Casey
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    Adam E. Casey is an analyst in the United States government. He wrote Up in Arms: How Military Aid Stabilizes―and Destabilizes―Foreign Autocrats while he was a research fellow at the Weiser Center for Emerging Democracies at the University of Michigan. All the content in the book and this interview reflects the views of the author and does not reflect the position of any US government agency or department, nor does it assert or imply US government authentication of information or endorsement of the author's views.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Why Military Aid Destabilizes Some Autocrats - 4:23
    • The Soviet Approach to Military Aid - 21:50
    • Revolutionary Governments - 29:09
    • Modernization - 35:57

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    Up in Arms: How Military Aid Stabilizes―and Destabilizes―Foreign Autocrats by Adam Casey
    "The Origins of Military Supremacy in Dictatorships," by Dan Slater Lucan A. Way Jean Lachapelle and Adam E. Casey in Journal of Democracy.
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    After a Coup, Can the Constitutional Order Be Repaired? Adem Abebe on Rebuilding Constitutions in West Africa
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    Disinformation is a Threat to Democracy Says Barbara McQuade Mar 26, 2024
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    We have to care more about truth than tribe. We have to care more about each other than about profit.

    Barbara McQuade
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    Barbara McQuade is a professor from practice at the University of Michigan Law School. She is also a legal analyst for NBC News and MSNBC, and a co-host of the podcast #SistersInLaw. Her new book Attack from Within: How Disinformation is Sabotaging America.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • Propaganda Today - 3:05
    • Disinformation and Polarization - 19:57
    • Free Speech - 24:29
    • Attack from Within - 37:14

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    Grading Biden's Foreign Policy with Alexander Ward Mar 19, 2024
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    Whoever you vote for, Biden or Trump at this point, you are voting for a radically different vision of American foreign policy.

    Alexander Ward
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    Alexander Ward is a national security reporter at Politico and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He is also the author of the book The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy after Trump.
    Key Highlights

    • Introduction - 0:20
    • A Foreign Policy for the Middle Class - 2:47
    • Crises - 20:13
    • Ukraine - 27:56
    • The Grade - 40:32

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    The Internationalists: The Fight to Restore American Foreign Policy after Trump by Alexander Ward
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    Can America Fight Back Against the Authoritarian Economic Statecraft of China? Bethany Allen Believes We Can
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