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    Deep State Radio

    Twice a week, this podcast will take you on a smart, direct, sometimes scary, sometimes profane, sometimes hilarious tour of the inner workings of American power and of the impact of our leaders and their policies on our standing in the world. Hosted by noted author and commentator David Rothkopf and featuring regulars Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of Stanford University and David Sanger of the New York Times, the program will be the lively, smart dinner table conversation on the big issues of the day that you wish you were having…without the calories. Sometimes special guests will join the conversation and always the emphasis will be on providing the unvarnished perspectives others shy away from. Deep State Radio is the insider perspective on American national security and foreign policy that you can’t find anywhere else.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Special Episode of Deep State Radio: Trump Indicted Apr 01, 2023

    Donald Trump has been indicted, though the details of the case won’t likely be known until Tuesday of next week when Trump is scheduled to appear in court. Host David Rothkopf is joined by Edward Luce of the Financial Times and Allison Gill of the Daily Beans Podcast to discuss what we know and what we think could happen. Don’t miss this special episode.

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    Words Matter: Sue the Gunmakers, Tax the Bullets, Just Do Something! Mar 31, 2023

    In the wake of yet another tragic mass shooting--and we're averaging two per day this year in the US--Americans are again asking the question what can be done. The response of the GOP: "Nothing." That's their plan and it has worked so far to make the U.S. a very dangerous place. So what can we do to help combat this national gun pathology? On this episode of "Words Matter" Dr. Kavita Patel, Norm Ornstein and David Rothkopf discuss. Don't miss it.

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    Maybe It Should Have Been Called the Summit with Added Democracy-Like Product Mar 30, 2023

    Celebrating democracy seems like a good idea. Further, President Biden and his team have been actively supporting democracy worldwide since they took office. But that doesn't mean hosting a democracy summit is a great idea. Because a lot of difficult questions are raised. Like who thinks they're a democracy but really isn't? What do you do with wannabe authoritarians like Netanyahu, Modi & Lopez Obrador? And what long term results can come from these summits. We discuss with Kori Schake, Rosa Brooks and Ed Luce. Join us.

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    Winning Wars Without Fighting Them and Fighting Them Without Winning Mar 29, 2023

    In this special episode of DSR, we speak with Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass) about a wide range of recent events. From the shooting in Nashville and why Congress remains inert in its response to the gun threat to his views on continuing U.S. security concerns in the Middle East in light of his service during the Iraq War as a U.S. Marine officer. We also discuss China and how we can address the threats it poses while avoiding a new Cold War. Don't miss this thoughtful and timely discussion.

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    Israel's Democracy Crisis Continues Despite Netanyahu Temporary Halt to Plans to Gut Judiciary Mar 27, 2023

    On this special edition of DSR, former diplomat and advisor to Israeli leaders Alon Pinkas provides an insight from Israel into that country's current democracy crisis. He provides insights into the state of affairs at the moment and why the crisis that has brought hundreds of thousands of Israelis into the streets is far from over. He also discusses why this unprecedented Israeli drama is so directly relevant to the United States. Join Pinkas and host David Rothkopf for this in-depth and timely conversation.

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    From The Silo - The Wheels of Justice May Turn Slowly But There Sure are a Lot of Them Spinning Right Now Mar 26, 2023

    Originally Aired: August 18, 2022

    The legal woes are mounting for Trump and his associates around the country. To analyze the latest legal news and its impact on the political landscape, David talks with Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress. What can we expect now that the search of Mar-a-Lago is in the rearview mirror? Is Fulton County the most likely place for justice to find Donald Trump? Do voters care about any of this? David, Steve, and Mara discuss during this jam-packed episode. Join us!

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    From The Silo - Garland has no Choice but to Indict Mar 25, 2023

    Originally Aired: July 22, 2022

    The last January 6th committee hearing of the summer was held last night. David and Kavita brokedown what the hearing said and what work the committee has left to do in order to fulfill their mission with an all-star group of guests including E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Eisen of the Brookings Institution, and former U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal. What surprised them about the hearing? What are the gaps that the committee still needs to fill? What could future hearings look like? Find out in this vital conversation.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 24, 2023: Grant Says Goodbye For Now! Mar 24, 2023

    The two hundred sixty-third episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Grant says goodbye for now!

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    The Walls are Closing in On Donald Trump: An Update on Each Wall Mar 23, 2023

    Trump promised that he would get arrested this week but that hasn't happened (yet). David talked with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate and Allison Gill of The Daily Beans about the status of the various cases against Trump. Is Trump headed to jail soon? Are we talking about all the cases wrong? Find out the answers to these questions and the future of justice during this engaging conversation. Join us!

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    Foreign Office - #72. Mykola Bielieskov on Bakhmut and much more Mar 23, 2023

    Michael Weiss discusses the strategic importance of Bakhmut and the large Ukrainian military strategy with Mykola Bielieskov, Research Fellow at National Institute for Strategic Studies under UA President/senior analyst at Come Back Alive.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 23, 2023: Israel's new law, protests in France, and Rahul Gandhi sentenced Mar 23, 2023

    The two hundred sixty-second episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Israel ratifies law limiting conditions for a Netanyahu removal

    Anger at Macron mounts as French unions hold new protests

    Rahul Gandhi: India's Congress leader sentenced to jail for Modi 'thieves' remark

    Spain's PM Sanchez survives no-confidence vote

    Canada lawmaker resigns from government over China charge

    Ethiopian Parliament removes rebel Tigray party from terror list

    End to Taiwan ties nears as Honduras foreign minister goes to China

    2 escape jail and go to IHOP, where patrons report them

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    FEED DROP: None Of The Above - How the War in Ukraine Ends Mar 23, 2023

    We hope you enjoy this episode from our friends at the None of the Above Podcast

    We recently marked the one-year anniversary of Russia’s war in Ukraine. Many are wondering: how does this seemingly intractable conflict end? On Friday, the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for Vladimir Putin’s arrest. On Monday, Putin and Xi Jinping met to discuss China’s peace proposal for Ukraine. The United States and its allies in Europe continue to support Ukraine’s defense with military assistance and aid. Will any of this finally put an end to the war?

    This week, the Eurasia Group Foundation’s Mark Hannah sits down with perhaps the best positioned person to answer this question: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley. They dive into the causes of and potential ways to end the war, and also discuss: the prospect of US-China conflict, the technology shaping the future of war, and the national security risk posed by sharks.

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    Xi Scores Points in Moscow, Putin, Not So Much Mar 22, 2023

    Chinese President Xi Jinping made a historic visit to Moscow this week to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. David sat down with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Angela Stent of the Brookings Institution to discuss what this means for the war in Ukraine. What is the relationship like between China and Russia? How are other countries in East Asia responding? What should we expect moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other pressing issues during this timely discussion. Don't miss it!

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 22, 2023: Water scarcity, a $15.6 billion loan to Ukraine, and Uganda's atrocious new anti-LGBTQ bill Mar 22, 2023

    The two hundred sixty-first episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    UN warns against 'vampiric' global water use

    Ukraine, IMF agree on $15.6 billion loan package

    Uganda's parliament passes tough new anti-LGBTQ bill

    Algerian president says Morocco ties reach ‘point of no return’

    Mexican president calls U.S. State Department 'liars' after rights report

    UK inflation makes unexpected comeback, jumps to 10.4 percent

    US to announce more sanctions against Myanmar junta: State Department official

    Mysterious Minion sculptures appearing in small Australian town

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    The China Question Mar 21, 2023

    America's politicians have become more hawkish on China but is that the only path forward? David Rothkopf debates this issue with Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator and Josh Rogin of the Washington Post. Is China willing to compete and cooperate? How does Taiwan play into all of this? Can America not tilt completely into a militaristic framing of the competition? Find out during this argumentative conversation.

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    Next in Foreign Policy - Defeating the Dictators with Charles Dunst Mar 21, 2023

    This week Grant and Zoe talk with Charles Dunst about his new book "Defeating The Dictators: How Democracy Can Prevail In The Age Of The Strongman". Can democracies actually learn something from dictators? Are people more interested in economic well being or social ax-grinding? Find out during this exciting conversation.

    In our final segment Charles recommends The Cairo Trilogy: Palace Walk, Palace of Desire, Sugar Street, Grant rants about the breakability of stress balls, and Zoe discusses the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 21, 2023: Xi meets with Putin, EU sends ammo to Ukraine, and Kishida visits Kyiv Mar 21, 2023

    The two hundred sixtieth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Putin praised by China's Xi on visit to Moscow US denounces as cover for war crimes

    Ukraine updates: EU agrees €2 billion ammo plan for Kyiv

    Japan Prime Minister Fumio Kishida makes surprise visit to Ukraine

    Zhao Weiguo: Chinese regulator accuses chip tycoon of corruption

    Macron narrowly survives crucial no-confidence votes in parliament

    Blinken, days after visit, finds 'war crimes' in Ethiopia

    Venezuela’s powerful oil tsar resigns amid corruption inquiry

    Man uses Times Square billboard to propose to his girlfriend

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 20, 2023: Xi to Russia, Central banks cut a deal, and Imran Khan's arrest warrant is cancelled Mar 20, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-ninth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Putin to host ally Xi in Russia as Ukraine war rages

    Central banks take swift action to keep cash flowing amid investor fears

    Court cancels Imran Khan’s arrest warrant after clashes in Pakistan capital

    20 years on, was removing Saddam Hussein worth the war in Iraq?

    Credit Suisse, UBS shares plunge after takeover announcement

    Australia: Rush to clear millions of dead fish jamming river

    Tear gas, arrests as Kenya opposition stages protests

    Louisiana works out deal for family to keep pet nutria

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    From The Silo - A Crisis of Character Mar 19, 2023

    Originally Aired: February 21, 2018

    America's problems extend far beyond Russiagate. In fact, they extend far beyond porn stars and having half the cabinet under investigation, failures in Puerto Rico and near nuclear war with North Korea. They include unprecedented levels of overt corruption in the White House...but perhaps worse for a system that depends on checks and balances, they go further to the fact that no one in Congress seeks to call out or stop that corruption. Or gun violence. Or the war on science. Or financial recklessness. Or any of the other ills that currently plague the U.S. How did we get here? Who's to blame? What's to be done? Tune in to find out. Or at least for therapeutic purposes.

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    From The Silo - The Cracking Sounds You Hear in the Old US-Israel Relationship Mar 18, 2023

    Originally Aired: May 17, 2021

    The Biden Administration is working hard to maintain a fairly traditional front for US-Israel relations during the current crisis. Which is to say they are essentially following the playbook the Obama Administration would have followed (Trump's bromance with Bibi was an outlier). But times are changing, the views of Democrats are changing, the generational outlook is changing, and don't forget Bibi's bromance with Trump which did not help matters. We discuss what could trigger a change with former top Israeli diplomat and foreign policy specialist Alon Pinkas, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. Don't miss it.

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    Words Matter - Bail outs for thee but not for me? Mar 17, 2023

    Silicon Valley Bank collapsed in spectacular fashion last week but the Biden administration stepped in to save its depositors. Was that the right thing to do and what can prevent things like this happening in the future? Norm and Kavita discuss during this thoughtful conversation. Members get a bonus conversation about Ron DeSantis and his views about the war in Ukraine.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 17, 2023: Poland sending MiGs to Ukraine, Xi to meet with Putin, and new data about the origins of COVID Mar 17, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-eighth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Poland to send four Soviet-era jets to Ukraine in coming days

    China's Xi to meet Putin in Moscow next week

    New Data Links Pandemic’s Origins to Raccoon Dogs at Wuhan Market

    Macron uses special powers to force through plan to raise pension age

    North Korea confirms fired ICBM, says it was Hwasong-17

    Libya eastern army claims tons of missing uranium recovered

    Officials say 21 workers killed at coal mine in Colombia

    Border Patrol finds $67,830 of gold in package valued at $125

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    Preparing for the Next Security Challenges: From AUKUS to Moldova Mar 16, 2023

    There are a panoply of threats facing the United States and our allies from around the globe. In this episode, we focus on two of them. In the first segment, David talks with Charles Edel of CSIS about AUKUS and broad U.S.-Australia issues. What actually is the AUKUS deal? Will it have an impact on the security situation in the Indo-pacific? Is Australia a more important ally than the United Kingdom? All these questions and more answered in this vital conversation. Members get treated to a second one-on-one between David and Michael Weiss of Yahoo News and the latest DSR Network Podcast "Foreign Office" about the Russian plot against Moldova. Become a member today to get access to that conversation.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 16, 2023: Japan and South Korea come together, Pakistan pauses arrest of Imran Khan, and protests resume in Israel Mar 16, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-seventh episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Japan ends export curbs on South Korea as relations thaw

    Pakistani court extends pause in arresting ex-premier Khan

    Protests resume in Israel after Netanyahu rejects compromise

    Tonnes of uranium gone missing from Libya site, UN says

    Dutch pro-farmers party wins big in provincial elections

    U.S. court sentences Mexican ex-governor to nine years for money laundering

    South Korea’s Yoon hints at keeping cap on weekly working hours below 60

    Italian’s espresso machine a hit at World Baseball Classic

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    Iran-Saudi Deal Shows It's Not Your Father's Middle East...But Is It Now China's? Mar 15, 2023

    There is never a dull period for the Middle East. David and Rosa are joined by Alon Pinkus of Haaretz to discuss Iran and Saudi Arabia resuming diplomatic ties and the ongoing crisis in Israel. Do we anticipate big changes in the Middle East following this announcement? What does this say about America's role in the region? Is Israel in an (unwritten) constitutional crisis? All of this and more during this thoughtful discussion. Members get a bonus segment where David and Kim Ghattas, author of Black Wave, continue the conversation about the Saudi-Iran relationship.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 15, 2023: Russia downs a US Drone, North Korea launches more missiles, and Pakistan attempts to arrest Imran Khan Mar 15, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-sixth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Russia pilots reckless in drone collision - US

    ‘Annihilate the enemy’: North Korea confirms two missile launches

    More clashes in Pakistan as police try to arrest Imran Khan

    Honduras to switch ties from Taiwan to China, says president

    Blinken visits Ethiopia to push peace accord and fix ties

    Liz Truss is gone. But Tories still dream of tax cuts on budget day

    Ecuador lawmakers declassify documents in bid to impeach Lasso

    Man Sues Buffalo Wild Wings Over ‘Boneless’ Wings

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    "The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism": A Conversation with Martin Wolf Mar 14, 2023

    With the sudden collapse of Silicon Valley Bank, inflation around the world, and the rise of populism there is no better time to take a step back and look at democratic capitalism as a whole. David and Ed Luce discussed with Martin Wolf author of the new book "The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism". Why is democratic capitalism at risk? How have media outlets like Fox News had an impact on the system as a whole? What should we make of the SVB bailout? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this enlightening discussion. Don't miss it.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 14, 2023: The AUKUS deal, controversial laws in Israel, and SVB collapse reverberations Mar 14, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Aukus deal: US, UK and Australia agree on nuclear submarine project

    Controversial judicial law passes first vote in Israeli Knesset

    Global bank stock rout deepens as SVB collapse fans contagion fears

    Italy blames Russia's Wagner group for surge in migration

    China to resume issuing visas to foreigners

    Press banned from opening session of new Tunisian parliament

    Mexican president says his country safer than United States

    We discovered our new home is a beehive — honey drips from the walls

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 13, 2023: Heavy losses in Bakhmut, North Korea test more missiles, and Saudi Arabia & Iran restore ties Mar 13, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-fourth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Ukraine war: Heavy losses reported as battle for Bakhmut rages

    North Korea tests two submarine-launched cruise missiles

    What to expect after Iran, Saudi Arabia agree to restore ties

    Moldova says it thwarted Russia-linked plot ahead of anti-government protests

    US intervenes to contain fallout from collapse of Silicon Valley Bank

    ‘Farmgate’: Cyril Ramaphosa inquiry ‘clears’ South African president but police still investigating

    Micronesia’s president accuses China of ‘political warfare’

    At least five mystery goats seen wandering loose in San Francisco

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    From The Silo - Is the Vaccinated vs. the Unvaccinated the Next Civil War? Mar 12, 2023

    Originally Aired: July 23, 2021

    The science shows that GOP-led resistance to the vaccine is fueling a resurgence of COVID in the US. Anger against the unvaccinated is understandably growing as their ignorance and politics are putting the country at risk again. Where will this lead? What will this new wave of COVID look and feel like? What should we do about it? How does our international response figure in? We discuss these essential and urgent issues with Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett, former Obama health care advisor Dr. Kavita Patel and Ryan Goodman of "Just Security." Don't miss this episode.

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    From The Silo - What Difference Will an Election Make: Democracy and Human Rights After Trump Mar 11, 2023

    Originally Aired: June 3, 2020

    There is no question that the Trump Administration has been a dramatic departure from past US Administrations on issues like democracy promotion, human rights and protecting press freedoms. Autocrats have been embraced. Press freedoms and free speech have been under siege here in the U.S. What would change if Joe Biden took office next January? In the second of our Agenda 2021 series, Amb. Derek Mitchell, President of the National Democratic Institute, Suzanne Nossel, CEO of PEN America and author of the forthcoming Dare to Speak: Defending Free Speech for All (HarperCollins, July 2020) and Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch discuss global trends, and policy shifts they expect and that they would like to see. Don't miss this important discussion.

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    Words Matter - Our Two Speed Country Mar 10, 2023

    From the media and books to drag shows and voting, states is in the South have been trying to turn back the clock. Kavita and Norm talk about these updates, what they mean for the country as a whole, and what we can do about it. Members get a bonus conversation about Walgreens.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 10, 2023: North Korea simulates artillery strike, Mexico cartel says sorry, and a shooting in Germany Mar 10, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-third episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    North simulates artillery strike on South's airfield, warns of 'overwhelming response'

    Mexican cartel says sorry for attack on Americans, bodies return to US

    Jehovah's Witness hall shooting in Hamburg — what we know

    Papua rebels release videos showing kidnapped NZ pilot alive

    At least 25 killed in Nigeria jihadist attack

    Judge extends pretrial detention for Peru’s ex-President Castillo

    No NATO yet, Turkey tells Sweden and Finland

    Tiger cub gets rescue dog playmate at Colorado sanctuary

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    Searching for Truth About COVID...and the Looming Next Pandemic Mar 09, 2023

    The Department of Energy released a statement that talked about the origins of COVID. David sits down with Pulitzer Prize-Winner Laurie Garrett and David Wallace-Wells of the New York Times to talk about what we know and don't about the past and future of pandemics. Do we actually know anything new about a potential lab leak source of the COVID-19 virus? How does America's reponse rate against other countries after year three of COVID-19? What we are doing to prepare for the next pandemic? All of these questions and more during this engaging conversation. Join us!

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    Next in Foreign Policy - Video Games and Foreign Policy with Bonner Price Mar 09, 2023

    Next in Foreign Policy is doing a mini-series on culture and foreign policy. In the final episode of the mini-series, Grant and Zoe talk with Bonner Price about Video Games and how they interact with foreign policy.


    In the final segment, Zoe talks about TiTANiQUE and Grant rants against ticket fees.


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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 9, 2023: Russia launches massive strike against Ukraine, Taliban governor killed, and Xi calls for 'more quickly elevating' the military Mar 09, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-second episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Russia launches largest missile strike against Ukraine in months

    Taliban governor of Afghanistan’s Balkh province killed in blast

    China’s Xi calls for ‘more quickly elevating’ armed forces

    Georgia drops 'foreign agents' law after protests

    Congo: Dozens dead in suspected ADF attack

    Malaysia’s ex-PM Muhyiddin detained by anti-graft agency, to be charged in court on Friday

    Argentina makes headway in establishing a cannabis export industry

    Coming soon: Reese’s Cups, chocolate bars made from plants

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    The Truth Putin Doesn't Want You to Hear About Russia's Floundering Economy Mar 08, 2023

    Sanctions and the cost of the war in Ukraine have had a major impact on the Russian economy. David, Rosa, and Ed are joined by Jeff Sonnenfeld of Yale to discuss his research and how bad the Russian economy really is. How much money is Russia losing on oil? Why is the IMF a bad actor when it comes to Russia? Is Russia's economy on the brink of collapse? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this insightful episode. Members get a bonus segment about the China and how the conversation about it within the beltway is moving in the wrong direction.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 8, 2023: Ukraine connected to Nord Stream attack, a Mexican abduction turns deadly, and a general strike in the West Bank Mar 08, 2023

    The two hundred fifty-first episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Media: Boat used for Nord Stream attacks connected to Ukraine

    Survivors of deadly Mexico abduction returned to US

    General strike in West Bank after Israeli raid kills six in Jenin

    Georgians throw stones, petrol bombs at police in protest over new law

    Countries to get more time to reduce debt under temporary Commission plan

    Cyclone Freddy: Deadly storm set to hit Mozambique a second time

    Biden administration backs new TikTok Bill, wants swift passage

    Video captures dramatic moment SUV slams into Houston cafe

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    "The Bill of Obligations": A Conversation with Richard Haass Mar 07, 2023

    American democracy has always come with both rights and obligations. David talked with Richard Haass author of the new book "The Bill of Obligations: The Ten Habits of Good Citizens" about those obligations and what Americans need to do to keep our democracy strong. Are we in a significantly different place as a citizenry than we have been in the past? How should we stay informed in a sea of misinformation? Can civics education be revived in the United States? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this enlightening discussion. Don't miss it.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 7, 2023: China's economy, Sri Lanka moves towards IMF deal, and Canada probes Chinese election interference Mar 07, 2023

    The two hundred fiftieth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    China Jan-Feb trade slumps again as global demand falters

    Sri Lanka leader says IMF deal imminent after China’s pledge

    Canada launches probe into Chinese election interference

    France pension protests: Fuel deliveries blocked by strikers

    Japan: New H3 rocket fails minutes after launch

    103 children among hundreds found in abandoned truck in Mexico

    Syrian state media says Israeli strike damaged Aleppo airport

    Loose python found behind refrigerator in 29th floor New Jersey apartment

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 6, 2023: Russian infighting, Pakistan bans airing Imran Khan speeches, and a border clash between Armenia and Azerbaijan Mar 06, 2023

    The two hundred forty-ninth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Ukraine war: Russia's Wagner boss suggests 'betrayal' in Bakhmut battle

    Pakistan bans airing of Imran Khan speeches, suspends TV channel

    Armenian and Azerbaijani border clash leaves five dead

    South Korea to compensate victims of Japan's forced wartime labor

    Unions vow to shut France’s economy down amid pension battle

    Hundreds of migrants flee Tunisia after president's crackdown

    Ecuador assembly backs report calling for Lasso impeachment process

    Colombia plans to send 70 ‘cocaine hippos’ to India and Mexico, governor says

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    From the Silo: Special Episode: The CFR's Richard Haass on the State of the World Mar 05, 2023

    Originally Aired: May 25, 2021

    Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, is one of the world's leading thinkers on international affairs. His most recent book, "The World: A Brief Introduction" is a one volume crash course into how we got to where we are and where we go from here. It is now out in paperback and to mark that event, we sat down with Richad to discuss the book, America's changing role in the world, the impact of COVID, our very different rivalries with China and Russia and much much more. Ed Luce of the Financial Times joins in the conversation for a pod episode you won't want to miss.

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    From The Silo: A DSR Debate: Who Will Win the Power Struggle Between Big Tech and Nation States? Mar 04, 2023

    Originally Aired: December 3, 2021

    Big tech today rivals in influence many nation states. Even the largest and most powerful countries are debating how to contain and control tech giants who have the ability to influence their politics, their economies and their standing in the world. To explore how the coming power struggle between big technology firms and nation states will play out, we present a debate between the Eurasia Group's Ian Bremer and Stephen Walt of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government. It's a thought provoking and enlightening discussion. Don't miss this special edition of Deep State Radio.

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    Words Matter - Lab Leaks and Committees Speak Mar 03, 2023

    Congress is back in session and there is lots of news. First Kavita and Norm talk about the Department of Energy's report around the "Lab Leak" theory and then they discuss Attorney General Merrick Garland's testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee. Members of The DSR Network get a bonus conversation about the recent hearing on the Equal Rights Amendment.

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    "Myth America": A Conversation with Kevin Kruse Mar 03, 2023

    America's history has become a battlefield for modern day politicians. David talked with Kevin Kruse co-editor of the new book "Myth America: Historians Take On the Biggest Legends and Lies About Our Past" about how history is misused. Why do people push false narratives? Where have historical myths impacted American policy? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this informative conversation.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 3, 2023: Kremlin accuses Ukraine of sabotage, Blinken and Lavrov speak, and Belarus jails Nobel winner Mar 03, 2023

    The two hundred forty-eighth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Kremlin accuses Ukrainian saboteurs of attack inside Russia

    Blinken, Lavrov speak briefly at G-20 meeting

    Belarus court jails Nobel winner Bialiatski for 10 years

    Cambodia’s opposition leader jailed 27 years for treason

    UN experts accuse Nicaragua government of crimes against humanity

    US offers $5m bounty for DR Congo militia leader

    Prince Harry and Meghan asked to leave their UK home

    German ice cream parlor offers cricket-flavored scoops

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    A Big Week on the Supreme Court: What Does It All Mean? Mar 02, 2023

    The Supreme Court has been incredibly busy over the last few weeks. David is joined by Katie Barlow of Fox 5 DC and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas to talk about some of the biggest cases facing the court. Is the Court about the ruin the internet as we know it? Will Biden's student debt relief survive? Is standing just a fig leaf? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this expert conversation. Join us!

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 2, 2023: US socializing sanctions against China, the G20 meets, and a historic Supreme Court order in India Mar 02, 2023

    The two hundred forty-seventh episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Exclusive: US seeks allies' backing for possible China sanctions over Ukraine war

    Fractured G20 foreign ministers grapple with deepening rifts

    India top court’s ‘historic’ order on election officers selection

    US intelligence: 'Havana syndrome' not foreign foes' work

    Vo Van Thuong: Vietnam picks new president in power shuffle

    Eurozone inflation eases less than expected in February

    Burkina scraps 1961 military aid pact with France

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    It's 2023 on the Planet Earth, What Could Go Wrong? Mar 01, 2023

    The United States faces a wide variety of foreign policy challenges two months into 2023. David is joined by DSR regulars Ed Luce, David Sanger, and Kori Schake to discuss these threats and how the United States should respond. Is the U.S.-Israeli relationship broken? Will Iran get a nuclear weapon? What is going on in North Korea? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it!

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    The DSR Daily Brief - March 1, 2023: A new president in Nigeria, 19 China fighters enter Taiwanese air space, and a train crash in Greece Mar 01, 2023

    The two hundred forty-sixth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Bola Tinubu wins Nigeria's presidential election against Atiku Abubakar and Peter Obi

    Taiwan says 19 Chinese fighter jets entered its air defence zone

    At least 36 killed after train collision in Greece

    Pakistani court orders arrest of former premier Imran Khan

    Iran expels 2 German diplomats in tit-for-tat move

    Canada bans TikTok on government devices over security risks

    Militants kidnap 25 youths in northern DR Congo

    Russia bans government officials from using most foreign words

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 28, 2023: Reprisal attacks in the West Bank, Serbia and Kosovo moving towards normalizing ties, and the UK and EU agree on a new Northern Ireland deal Feb 28, 2023

    The two hundred forty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Tensions high in West Bank after deadly Israeli settler rampage

    Serbia and Kosovo accept EU proposal to normalize ties

    Sunak hails ‘new chapter’ in UK-EU relations as Northern Ireland deal is agreed

    Macron lays out ‘new era’ for France’s reduced presence in Africa

    Mexican troops, border residents clash after 5 shot, killed

    Algeria and Russia aim to boost military ties

    Kerala: India temple replaces elephant with robot for rituals

    Web-based kissing device horrifies Chinese social media users

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 27, 2023: Nigeria's election, a meeting between Iraeli and Palestinian officials, and a missing Chinese billionaire Feb 27, 2023

    The two hundred forty-fourth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Nigeria gets early results from tight election race

    Israeli and Palestinian officials vow to curb violence

    Bao Fan: Missing Chinese billionaire assisting authorities, firm says

    Mexicans turn out in droves to protest electoral overhaul, see democracy at risk

    North Korea holds rare meeting on farming amid food shortage

    Russian plane destroyed near Minsk airfield: Belarus opposition

    Hundreds in Tunisia protest against president’s anti-migrant clampdown

    Mexican president posts photo of what he claims is an elf

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    From The Silo: If Russia's Going to Accuse Us of Escalation Even if We Don't Escalate, Then Why Not Escalate Anyway? Feb 26, 2023

    Originally Aired: March 10, 2022

    As the war in Ukraine drags on, Russian atrocities are mounting. Bombing hospitals, using thermobaric weapons, and potentially escalating to chemical weapons. What should the West do? David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel look for answers with Alex Vindman former Director for European Affairs on the National Security Council and former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder. Should the U.S. get involved militarily in Ukraine? Is Putin on his way out? How should we approach countries that don't support Ukraine? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this dark period. Don't miss it!

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    From The Silo: A Far Cry from Helsinki: Biden and Putin to Set "Guardrails" and Manage Expectations Feb 26, 2023

    Originally Aired: June 15, 2021

    When Vladimir Putin sits down with Joe Biden, both men will be well familiar with each other and Putin will have no illusions that he can toy with the new American president like he could with the last one. Joe Biden has been working at a high level in US foreign policy since 1973 (when Leonid Brezhnev was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.) As Biden's Europe trip has demonstrated this past week, he is a savvy foreign policy professional who knows how to pull the levers of diplomacy behind the scenes. If not every speech is a barn burner, the results so far outstrip those of all his recent predecessors in their first years in office. We discuss the Putin meeting with David Sanger of the New York Times, who is traveling with the president, and Evelyn Farkas, former senior Obama Administration official and Russia specialist.

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    Words Matter - East Palestine's toxic plume and America's toxic politics Feb 24, 2023

    Kavita is back from her trip but the problems in the country haven't moved much. The train derailment in East Palestine has caused concerns about environmental and health impacts while the right-wing media pushes it as race issue. Members of The DSR Network get access to a bonus segment about Mark Brnovich.

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    "The Ghost at the Feast": A Conversation with Robert Kagan Feb 24, 2023

    The role of the United States in the world is in question but it isn't the first time. David talked with Robert Kagan author of the new book "The Ghost at the Feast: America and the Collapse of World Order, 1900-1941" and what lessons we can take for it into our current moment. What pushed America into its super powered status? What resonances does an "America First" foreign policy have with his point in history? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this informative conversation.z

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 24, 2023: The one year anniversary of the full scale invasion of Ukraine Feb 24, 2023

    The two hundred forty-third episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Russia's war on Ukraine in numbers

    Russia deports thousands of Ukrainian children. Investigators say that's a war crime

    Ukraine War in Data: A year of casualties, violence and displaced Ukrainians

    Fake Russian diplomats revealed as heart of ‘hive’ spy ring in Australia

    Brazil downpours leave at least 50 dead as rescue ship arrives

    TikTok banned from EU Commission phones over cybersecurity

    Chinyere Igwe: Nigerian politician arrested with $500,000 in cash on eve of elections

    Spy balloon, UFO or Dragon Ball? Japan baffled by iron ball washed up on beach

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    Russia Pulling Out of the New START Treaty Is the Second Worst Nuclear News of the Week Feb 23, 2023

    Russia has suspended their participation in New START but are we actually at a greater risk of nuclear war? David discusses with Jon Wolfsthal of Global Zero and Dr. Emma Belcher of the Ploughshares Fund. Is nuclear war imminent? Does the U.S. still have visibility on Russia's nukes? What comes next? Find out during this expert discussion.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 23, 2023: Mexico passes electoral reform, a deadly Israeli military operation, and infighting in Russia Feb 23, 2023

    The two hundred forty-second episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Mexico’s Senate passes controversial electoral reform

    Israeli military operation in Nablus leaves several dead

    Russian Wagner chief Prigozhin blames ammunition shortage for high deaths

    Gun attack on policeman deepens political tensions in Northern Ireland

    Argentina government loses Senate power after senators exit coalition

    Death toll from Turkey, Syria earthquake tops 47,000

    South Africa's Eskom CEO quits with immediate effect

    Newlyweds, wedding party rescued from elevator in North Carolina

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    A Tale of Two Underestimated Presidents Feb 22, 2023

    Biden made a surprise trip to Kyiv and the war in Ukraine grinds on. David is joined by DSR regulars Rosa Brooks and Ed Luce to discuss what is going on in Europe. What should we make of Biden's speech in Kyiv? Is Poland becoming the political center of Europe? Why is the far left meeting the far right in the US around the war in Ukraine? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful episode. Members get a bonus conversation about Jimmy Carter's legacy. Join us!

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 22, 2023: Putin pulls out of New START, Xi Jinping to Moscow, and North Korea's food crisis Feb 22, 2023

    The two hundred forty-first episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Putin suspends Russia's participation in New START nuclear treaty

    Xi Jinping to visit Moscow for summit with Putin: Report

    North Korea food crisis looms behind displays of military prowess

    Imran Khan’s party launches ‘fill the jails’ protest in Pakistan

    US agrees to extradite the ex-president of Peru, Lima says

    Germany expels 2 Iranian diplomats over death sentence

    India averse to discussing new Russia sanctions at G20

    She left her 2007 iPhone in its box for over a decade. It just sold for $63K

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    Next In Foreign Policy - Foreign Policy Media with Helen Zhang Feb 21, 2023

    Next in Foreign Policy is doing a mini-series on culture and foreign policy. In the second episode of the mini-series, Grant and Zoe talk with Helen Zhang of International Intrigue about how foreign policy media works and how she made her own niche.

    In the final segment, Zoe talks about the Dems moving their first presidential primary to South Carolina, Grant talks about The Last of Us, and Helen talks about tech trends.

    If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 21, 2023: Biden in Kyiv, another earthquake in Turkey, and a step forward for same-sex partners in South Korea Feb 21, 2023

    The two hundred fortieth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Biden: 'Putin’s war of conquest is failing'

    Turkey-Syria border region hit by new quakes

    Court recognizes same-sex partners as legal dependents

    Papua New Guinea: Rescue mission under way for researchers taken hostage

    Israel: Benjamin Netanyahu accuses protesters of ‘trampling democracy’

    Russia ‘mapping’ critical energy infrastructure, say Dutch intelligence agencies

    Protesters storm Suriname parliament over high fuel prices

    Cold-blooded: Abandoned alligator rescued from Brooklyn lake

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    From The Silo: Before Putin Backs Down, He Will Double Down Feb 19, 2023

    Originally Aired: March 1, 2022

    The war in Ukraine continues with major Ukrainian cities either under seige or facing future shelling. DSR host David Rothkopf brings together Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University; Ambassador Douglas Lute, former U.S. Ambassador to NATO; and Ambassador Bill Taylor, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to discuss the current situation on the ground in Ukraine and potential paths forward in the conflict. Is deescalation possible? How bad will it this get for Ukrainian civilians stuck in Kharkiv and Kyiv? What is left for NATO to do to push back against Putin? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions at the consequential moment in history. Join us.

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    From The Silo: Where Can You Hit Putin So It Hurts? Feb 18, 2023

    Originally Aired: February 22, 2022

    President Biden just spoke about Russia moving its troops into Eastern Ukraine and the U.S. response. David Rothkopf spoke with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Angela Stent of the Brookings Institution, and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine about where we are in the Ukrainian crisis and what might comes next. What sanctions will actually hurt Putin? Is Putin attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union or Czarist Russia? Are we about to see the largest land war in Europe since World War Two? Find out the answers to these and other vital questions at this pivot moment in history in this timely conversation. Join us.

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    Words Matter - Nikki Haley Jumps In Feb 17, 2023

    On this week's episode, Kavita is still out of town. So Norm and producer Grant Haver talk Nikki Haley getting into the Presidential race, her potential candidacy, and what this means for the future of our democracy. Members of The DSR Network get access to a bonus segment about the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 17, 2023: Moldova's new government, Bao Fan goes missing, and South Africa's naval exercise with Russia and China Feb 17, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-ninth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Moldova swears in new government amid Russia tensions

    Bao Fan: Billionaire tech banker in China reported missing

    South Africa's naval exercise with Russia, China raises Western alarm

    European Commission takes Poland to court over ‘legal Polexit’

    Ethiopia warns UN-backed probe could 'undermine' peace process

    North Korea threatens ‘unprecedented’ action over allied military drills

    Canada to send warships to Haiti amid ongoing violence

    Lonely tunes: Humpback whales wail less as population grows

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    When Will the Other Shoe Drop in Georgia's Investigation of Trump? Feb 16, 2023

    Fulton County was released some details of the investigations into Donald Trump but that is just one area where ethics are under attack. David sits down with Noah Bookbinder, President of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington to discuss all of the threats to responsible government. How close are we to a Trump indictment? Will George Santos be held to account? How is the weaponization of government committee missing the mark? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this expert conversation.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 16, 2023: South Korea calls North Korea an enemy, Rwanda accuses the DRC of an attack, and the Philippines and US to hold largest war game since 2015 Feb 16, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-eighth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    South Korea brands North Korea an enemy state

    Rwanda accuses DR Congo soldiers of attack on border army post

    Philippines and US to hold biggest war games in years

    Nigeria's naira shortage: President Buhari extends use of old notes

    World Bank chief to leave by July

    Ruling Taliban display rare division in public over bans

    China imposes sanctions on Lockheed Martin, Raytheon over Taiwan arms sales

    English police say they foiled an 'eggs-travagent' plot to steal Cadbury chocolates

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    One Year Later in Ukraine We Are, Dare We Say It, Cautiously Optimistic Feb 15, 2023

    The war in Ukraine is almost a year old but continues to hold surprises. David talks about what has shocked the experts most with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Joe Cirincione, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Are nuclear weapons more likely to be used now? Will the conflict continue to ratchet up or is it frozen? How much more does the United States have to give to Ukraine? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions during this expert discussion.

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 15, 2023: More balloon news, the UN Secretary General's grave warning, and Russia holding Ukrainian children in camps Feb 15, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-seventh episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    China spy balloon: Three unidentified objects possibly benign, says US

    UN chief: Rising seas risk ‘death sentence’ for some nations

    Russia holding Ukrainian children in camp network: Study

    Cameroon detects two suspected cases of Marburg virus near Eq. Guinea

    U.S. arrests four more suspects in plot to kill Haitian President Moise

    China praises 'solidarity' with Iran during Raisi visit

    Xinjiang governor cancels controversial trip to UK

    Underwater kiss world record broken for Valentine's Day

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 14, 2023: U.S. military recovers the downed Chinese spy balloon, Russia planning a coup in Moldova, and BBC India offices searched by officials Feb 14, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-sixth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    U.S. military says it recovers key sensors from downed Chinese spy balloon

    Russia is planning coup in Moldova, says President Maia Sandu

    BBC India offices searched by income tax officials

    Philippines protests China's 'aggression' in disputed waters

    Equatorial Guinea confirms first Marburg virus disease outbreak

    Meloni's right-wing coalition wins Italian regional elections

    Colombian government, rebels resume peace talks in Mexico

    German ballet director suspended over feces attack on critic

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    The DSR Daily Brief - February 13, 2023: The US shoots down mystery objects, continued fallout of the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, and Israel authorises settlements in the West Bank Feb 13, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Mystery surrounds objects shot down by US military

    Turkey-Syria earthquakes: UN expects death toll above 50,000

    Israel to authorise nine ‘wild’ West Bank settlements

    Cambodia’s Hun Sen shuts down independent media outlet

    Ethiopia restricts social media, messaging apps amid protests

    Portugal church sex abuse study finds 512 alleged victims

    Mexico arrests cartel member suspected of leading fentanyl trade

    Chilean woman becomes first to swim 1.55 miles in Antarctica

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    From The Network: Words Matter - The State of Our Union Is.... Feb 12, 2023

    On this week's episode, Kavita is still out of town. So Norm and producer Grant Haver talk about the State of the Union, what it says about the future prospects for Joe Biden, and if it matters. Members of The DSR Network get access to a bonus segment about the House "oversight" hearings on Twitter and the weaponization of government.

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    From The Silo: Just Because Trumpworld is Batshit Crazy Doesn't Mean You Should Lose Sight of the Big Picture Feb 11, 2023

    Originally Aired: February 11, 2019

    In an in-depth conversation with former National Security Advisor to Vice President Joe Biden Colin Kahl, now of Stanford University, we discuss the unsettling reality of Trump Administration foreign policy for American interests and for those of our allies worldwide. From the intelligence community's not so subtle indictment of Trump policies in their most recent report on global threats to the State of the Union, from team Trump's nationalism to a case-by-case breakdown of the unsettling situation in the Middle East, this discussion is a must listen for anyone who wants to get beyond the headlines to understand the bigger trends and threats at play in today's world. Tune in.

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    Member Preview: The DSR Daily Brief - February 10, 2023: The Russian offensive begins, Nicaragua releases political prisoners, and Japan and the Philippines strengthen defensive ties Feb 10, 2023

    The two hundred thirty-fourth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Russia launches drone and missile attacks in south and east Ukraine

    Nicaraguan prisoners freed: 222 opposition figures deported to US

    Japan, Philippines agree to sharply boost defense ties

    South Africa declares national disaster over blackouts

    Pakistan says it agrees to IMF terms on release of $1.1bn payout

    Mexico: Ex-security chief stole $745 million from contracts

    Poland to close border checkpoint with Belarus

    New Zealand police find 3.5 tons of cocaine in Pacific Ocean

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    Joe Biden Launches an Optimism Offensive That Could Carry Him to a Second Term Feb 09, 2023

    The President delivered the a State of the Union unlikely any other before. David talks with David Corn of Mother Jones and Simon Rosenberg of NDN about the speech and the impact it will have politically moving forward. Did the speech meet expectations? Has Biden put questions around his fitness for office behind him? What should we make of the heckling from Republicans? Find out during this compelling conversation. Members of the DSR get even more because Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School to talk about Mark Pomerantz, his new book, and what we know about the Manhattan investigation of Donald Trump.

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    Balloonacy: The US Military Triggers a Deflationary Spiral Feb 08, 2023

    Uncover the truth behind the Balloon Madness that has taken the nation by storm! David sits down with with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute to discuss the national security risks posed by the balloon, the response, and what it all means. How concerned should we be about Chinese surveillance? What Secretary Blinken right to cancel his visit to China? What legal issues does this raise? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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    "The Fight of His Life": A Conversation with Chris Whipple Feb 07, 2023

    President Biden is about to give his second State of the Union address. David looks back at the first two years of President Biden's time in office with Chris Whipple, author of the new book "The Fight of His Life: Inside Joe Biden's White House". What will President Biden say tonight? How will the change in Chief of Staff impact the administration? What will be the story of the next two years? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this timely conversation.

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    Member Preview: The DSR Daily Brief - February 6, 2023: An earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the U.S. looks for the balloon, and the Adania sell-off continues Feb 06, 2023

    The two hundred thirtieth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Powerful quake rocks Turkey and Syria, kills more than 1,300

    US searches for wreckage of suspected Chinese spy balloon

    Adani sell-off continues amid protests by India’s opposition

    Canada deploys military aircraft over Haiti to disrupt gangs

    Mali expels human rights chief of UN peacekeeping mission

    Hong Kong: landmark national security trial of 47 democracy advocates begins

    Paris, Berlin to call for subsidy transparency during US trip

    Japanese zoo solves mystery of isolated gibbon's pregnancy

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    From The Network: Modernizing Congress with Rep. Derek Kilmer Feb 06, 2023

    On this week's episode, Norm talks with Representative Derek Kilmer (WA-6) about his work as the Chair of the Modernizing Congress Committee, what they were able to accomplish, and what work is left to do. Members of The DSR Network get access to a bonus segment where Norm and producer Grant Haver talk reflect on the interview.

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    From The Silo: Democracy vs. Inflation Feb 04, 2023

    Originally Aired: June 14, 2022

    President Biden is headed to Saudi Arabia and will meet with Mohammed bin Salman. Is this the end for the "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing of America's foreign policy. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about this and other foreign policy issues facing the Biden Administration. Should Biden be having this meeting at all? Will it do anything to tame gas prices ahead of the midterm? Is there any way to keep the moral clarity of Biden's "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing while working in a messy world? The answer to these and other vital questions facing the Biden Administration during this far-ranging episode. Join us!

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    Member Preview: The DSR Daily Brief - A Chinese spy balloon, no new elections in Peru, and Sweden moves to toughen terror laws Feb 03, 2023

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    The two hundred twenty-ninth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Chinese spy balloon: US tracks suspected surveillance device

    Peru Congress rejects new bid to advance elections amid protests

    Sweden moves to toughen anti-terror laws

    Germany wants to allow transfers of Leopard 1 tanks

    Myanmar crisis overshadows ASEAN ministers' meeting

    Honduras launches $280 mln U.N.-backed humanitarian aid plan

    Israel probes legality of US giving artifact to Palestinians

    Blood-flavored ice helps zoo animals beat Rio’s heat

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    Time for a Little Waiting for Merrick to Act Therapy Feb 02, 2023

    We are drawing ever closer to 2024 but there are still no indictments of Donald Trump despite seeing crimes right in front of our eyes. Are the wheels of justice just grinding slowly or have the wheels come off of Garland's Department of Justice? David discusses with Dr. Allison Gill of the Jack podcast and Harry Litman of the Talking Feds podcast. Why are there no indictments yet? What is going on with the multiple special counsels that he is overseeing? When should we expect to see move movement on these issues? Find out in this therapeutic episode. Join us!

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    "Greetings from Israel, Wish I Weren't Here": The Awkward Subtext of Blinken's Visit with Bibi Feb 01, 2023

    Secretary of State Antony Blinken traveled to a very different Israel than one might have expected a year ago. Benjamin Netanyahu is back in power with a more hard right government and an Israeli raid in the West Bank and a shooting in Jerusalem have raised the the temperature of Israel-Palestinian tensions. David discusses Blinken's visit and the larger relationship between the U.S. and Israel with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Alon Pinkas of Haaretz. What did Secretary Blinken say and do in Israel? How should the U.S. work with a hard right Israeli government? What do this mean for the future revival chances of the JCPOA? Find out during this insightful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Member Preview: The DSR Daily Brief - January 30, 2023: A blast in Pakistan, a shooting in Jerusalem, and the drone strike in Iran Jan 30, 2023

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    The two hundred twenty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode:

    Pakistan mosque blast: At least 28 killed after explosion in Peshawar

    Palestinian gunman kills 7 near Jerusalem synagogue

    Israel appears to have been behind drone strike on Iran factory, U.S. official says

    ​​Peru’s president renews call for elections this year to bring end to protests

    Slovenia arrests 2 suspected Russian spies

    Tunisia's parliamentary election sees 11% voter turnout

    Rio Tinto apologises as search for radioactive capsule continues

    Japan firm opens whale meat vending machines to push sales

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    From The Network: Next In Foreign Policy - Brazil, Peru, Venezuela and all of South America with Diego Area Jan 29, 2023

    South America faces a number of challenges, from sustained protests in Peru, a riot in Brasilia, increasing inequality, democratic decline, and much more. Zoe and Grant talk with Diego Area, deputy director for strategic development at the Adrienne Arsht Latin American Center of the Atlantic Council, about all of these issues, what links them, and what (if anything) the United States can do about them.

    For our final segment Diego praises Dune (the movie and the book), Zoe recommends some true crime podcasts, and Grant offers some birthday wisdom.

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    From The Silo: The Highly Classified Reasons Too Many Things are Highly Classified Jan 28, 2023

    Originally Aired: August 14, 2018

    Nothing is more core to the life of the Deep State than marking documents classified. After all, if just anyone could read them, who'd want to? On the other hand, if documents are classified, they can't be shared which is a bit of a problem in the cyber era when our most important defenses may be in the private sector. What's a secret-loving country to do? The NY Times' David Sanger, Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks and IISS' Kori Schake discuss. (And, yes, they also discuss Omarosa and Peter Strzok and all that other mishigas as well. So tune in for goodness sake!)

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    The Secret to Military Success is Picking the Right Enemy: An Upbeat Outlook on the Next Phases of the War in Ukraine Jan 26, 2023

    The United States and Germany are now both sending tanks to Ukraine. David sits down with General Mark Hertling, former Commanding General of United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army, and Michael Weiss of Yahoo News about where we are and how we got here. Will tanks have an immediate positive impact on the battlefield? Why have the Germans been so intransigent on these issues? Is the U.S. doing enough? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions during this engaging and timely conversation.

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    Is China Changing the Tone of its Foreign Policy? Jan 25, 2023

    If you don't understand what is happening in Asia, you are missing some of the most impactful stories of the century. For this episode, David is joined by Anna Fifield of the Washington Post and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University to talk about the major stories and trends going on in Asia. Why did Jacinda Ardern retire from her job as Prime Minister of New Zealand? How is China coping with the quick change from Zero-COVID to completely open? Why is it so hard to report on China and North Korea? Find out during this fascinating episode. Don't miss it!

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    Ruth Ben Ghiat: Sometimes History Doesn't Just Rhyme...It Shouts a Warning Jan 24, 2023

    How close are we to fascism in America? David sits down to discuss with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, Professor of History and Italian Studies at New York University. What are the resonances between our current moment and the 1920s and 30s? How worried should we be about fascism bubbling up from the state and local levels? Is the global movement to protect democracy actually making some gains? Find out during this insightful conversation.

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    From The Network: Words Matter - America at the (debt) limit Jan 22, 2023

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk about the debt limit, what the U.S. can do at this point to pay its bills, and where we expect this to end. Members get a bonus conversation about the West Wing reboot and China.

    Read more about the debt limit here: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN12045

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    From The Silo: COVID at Two: Where Did We Go Wrong? Jan 22, 2023

    Originally Aired: January 14, 2021

    It has been two years since COVID-19 started hitting the headlines globally. As the new omicron variant is causing surging caseloads across America and around the world, it seems as though the end of this moment is very far away. What mistakes have we made? What should the Biden administration be doing next? How does the pandemic connect to the fight to protect democracy? What does the Supreme Court decision on the vaccine mandate mean for the fight against the virus? To answer these and other pressing questions, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett. Don't miss this timely conversation.

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    Defeating The Right's Authoritarian Media Machine Jan 19, 2023

    The right's hate-filled, authoritarian media machine is loud. It's time for pro-democracy media tech to GET LOUDER! Watch this superstar panel of Joe Trippi, Tara McGowan, Ben Meiselas, and David Rothkopf, moderated by Simon Rosenberg, talk turning up the volume.

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    Which U.S. Allies Aren't Really Allies Jan 18, 2023

    Davos may attract some of the world's wealthiest people but DSR continues to attract the best foreign policy and national security thinkers and analysis. David Rothkopf talks with David Sanger of the New York Times and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University about Kissinger's remarks at Davos and other foreign policy issues cropping up around the world. Should Ukraine join NATO? Will Sweden and Finland actually join NATO? How should the U.S. handle the new (old) government in Israel? Find out in this wide-ranging conversation. Don't miss it.

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    Homecoming: A Conversation with Rana Foroohar Jan 17, 2023

    The globalized world seems to be cracking up but what comes next? David sits down with Rana Foroohar to discuss how America can handle these turbulent times and her new book "Homecoming: The Path to Prosperity in a Post-Global World". Why did globalization turn out to not be as beneficial as we thought in the 90s? How should the U.S. respond? Is the Biden administration on the right track? Find out during this thoughtful conversation.

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    From The Network: Words Matter - A House Divided Against Itself Jan 15, 2023

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk about the start of a divided and performative Congress. Members of The DSR Network get a bonus conversation about Biden's classified documents and the Republicans investigations efforts across the government.

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    From The Silo: BDE or LDE? What’s Behind Trump’s Attempted Theft of Classified Documents? Jan 15, 2023

    Originally Aired 8.16.22

    Mar-a-Lago was searched for classified national security documents. David Rothkopf discusses the implications of this for our national security with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Joe Cirincione. Is this just another nothingburger? Will America come apart at the seams? How much of a threat is the GOP to America's national security? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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    What's Going On In The New Congress Jan 12, 2023

    With a new Speaker installed, Congress is back in full swing. David Rothkopf sits down with Annie Karni of the New York Times and Norm Ornstein of the Words Matter podcast to talk about what has happened so far. Can the new House majority govern? Will the press corps adapt to the new challenge of covering a performative Congress? Where will this all lead? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful conversation.

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    The Persuaders: A Conversation with Anand Giridharadas Jan 11, 2023

    The county is becoming ever more polarized and it seems like there is no way to change it. In the face of this despair, writer Anand Giridharadas chronicles the way different people around the country have been persuading others and making a real difference in his new book "The Persuaders: The Persuaders: At the Front Lines of the Fight for Hearts, Minds, and Democracy". Do you have to water down to persuade? Who is doing a good job at this? What can activists do to take up these skills and make changes? Find out in this useful discussion.

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    Global Risks in the Time of Speaker McCarthy Jan 10, 2023

    While there is chaos in the U.S. House of Representatives, there are real threats looming in the background. David Rothkopf talks about those threats with Max Boot of the Washington Post and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University. How should the U.S. support Taiwan in the coming months? Is China likely to invade? What connects the riots in Brazil to January 6th? Find out during this enlightening conversation.

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    From The Network: Seeking a Speaker Jan 08, 2023

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk about Kevin McCarthy's quixotic quest to become speaker of the House and what it means for average Americans. What does this clown show mean for the most pressing issues facing the United States? Members of The DSR Network get a bonus conversation about the COVID crisis in China and how anti-vax terrorists are seizing on high profile deaths and injuries.

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    From The Silo: January 6th as You Have Never Seen it Before Jan 07, 2023

    Originally Aired: January 6, 2022

    With time comes perspective and it is clear now that January 6th was not an isolated event. In fact, there are real dangers in perceiving it as one, dangers that could play to the interests of the coup plotters and against the long-term interests of U.S. democracy. We seek to reframe the events of that day and where they fit in the bigger picture with Yale University historian and noted author Joanne Freeman and University of Michigan Law School professor and former U.S. attorney Barb McQuade. We promise, it's not like any discussion January 6th you've heard before...and it's one you need to hear. Join us.

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    The Prognosis for American Democracy: Dare We Be Optimistic? Jan 05, 2023

    Congress is in session but the new year hasn't begun until we get some politics, law, and policy predictions from DSR. David speaks with EJ Dionne of the Washington Post and Barb McQuade of the University of Michigan about what we can expect over the coming month. Will we get Speaker of the House in 2023? Will Trump get indicted? What hope can we have for Washington? Find out the answers to these questions and more during this thoughtful discussion.

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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with Alexander Vindman Jan 05, 2023

    This is the second episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's forthcoming bookAmerican Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Alexander Vindman, former Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council. David and Alex discuss the character necessary to stand up for Democracy, how Alex did everything by the book, and the importance of supporting Ukraine. Don't miss it.

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    Beijing's Global Media Offensive: A Conversation with Josh Kurlantzick Jan 04, 2023

    As China continues to gain economic and military power, how are they trying to build up their soft power? That is the core question at the heart of Josh Kurlantzick's new book "Beijing's Global Media Offensive: China's Uneven Campaign to Influence Asia and the World". David Rothkopf talks with Josh about this and how China is working to leverage that soft power. How is what China doing different than other countries? How has China utilized social media to advance their interests? Is China getting more sophisticated in its strategy around soft power? Find out during this fascinating conversation. Join us!

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    2023 Outlook: The Predictions You'll Hear Nowhere Else Jan 03, 2023

    For the first episode of the new year, David Rothkopf sits down with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake to discuss their foreign policy and national security predictions for 2023. Will Ukraine retake Crimea? What will President Biden spend his time on? Will anything good happen this year? Find out the answers to these questions and more during this timely discussion.

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    From The Network: Next in Foreign Policy - Sports Washing, The World Cup, and Ben Valdez-Hempel Jan 01, 2023

    The World Cup may be over but the questions about the politics of FIFA and soccer remain. Zoe and Grant talk with Ben Valdez-Hempel of District Sports and Manchester City about the beautiful game and the people and policies that are making it so ugly.

    For our final segment Zoe talks about George Santos lying about his resume, Ben goes down the rabbit hole on Scientology, and Grant recommends Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio.

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    From The Silo: A Post-COVID Boom, a Ukraine War & the "Goulash Archipelago": Predictions for 2022 Dec 31, 2022

    Originally Aired: January 4, 2022

    As we begin a new year, the threats around the globe remain the same. Russia may invade Ukraine, Iran's nuclear ambitions may come to fruition, and democratic backsliding continues apace around the globe. To forecast what might happen this year and offer some hope about some potential foreign policy bright spots, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? Are we witnessing the rise of a Hungarian model for illiberal democracy? Can we avoid a cold war with China? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look ahead to 2022. Don't wait to listen to this prescient conversation.

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    From The Silo: The Day After: Insights in the Election from Some of the People Who Actually Called It Correctly Dec 30, 2022

    Originally Aired: November 9, 2022

    The midterms turned out exceptionally well for Democrats and in the process David, Simon, and Tara's analysis from last week was vindicated! The team reconvenes with Tom Bonier of TargetSmart to talk about the races that have already been called and the vote that is still left outstanding. What are the key takeaways from last night? Is this a victory for Democrats or just better than expectations? Is GenZ the most important generation politically now? Find out in this thoughtful discussion.

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    From The Silo: Is Putin Crazy? Dec 29, 2022

    Originally Aired: February 24, 2022

    In the late hours of Wednesday, Vladimir Putin began a war of choice in Ukraine. On Thursday, President Biden detailed a variety of harsh sanctions that the United States, our allies, and partners will place upon Russia for his actions. To make sense of these developments, David Rothkopf spoke with David Sanger of the New York Times, Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, and Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute. What comes next for Ukraine? Is Putin a rational actor? What more can the United States do to push back? All these questions and more answered on this episode. Don't miss it!

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    From The Silo: A Look Behind the New Iron Curtain: How Russians See the War in Ukraine Dec 28, 2022

    Originally Aired: March 17, 2022

    As Putin's war of choice in Ukraine continues, Russia is seeing major impacts domestically. The value of the Ruble dropped significantly following the invasion, Putin has cracked down on independent journalism, and sanctions are crippling the economy. To talk about the view from Moscow and the impact the war has had on Russians, David Rothkopf talked with Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine and Jill Dougherty of Georgetown University. How is the war viewed in Russia? What impact will Putin's recent speech have? Do the protests in Russia matter? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us.

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    From The Silo: What are the Odds of a Shooting War Between NATO and Russia? Dec 27, 2022

    Originally Aired: March 15, 2022

    The war in Ukraine is moving into its third week and President Biden is headed to Europe for a meeting with NATO next week. David Rothkopf talks with David Sanger of the New York Times and Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator about the current state of the conflict and the potential path forward. Is China going to get involved? Why has Putin not used cyber against the West yet? What will come of Biden's meeting with other NATO heads of state? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions on this insightful episode. Join us!

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    From The Silo: What's it Going to Take to Stop the Fascists Dec 26, 2022

    Originally Aired: August 11, 2022

    A search was carried out of Mar-a-Lago this week and it has upended the usually sleepy August in Washington. To talk about the search, Trump's pleading the fifth, and a variety of other developments David and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne and Max Boot both of the Washington Post. Is the GOP now fully Trumpified? How much legal jeopardy is Trump in at this point? Are Biden's recent legislative wins going to have any impact on the country's perception of him? Find out in this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it.

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    From The Network: The DSR Daily Brief - Year in Review Dec 25, 2022

    Originally Aired: December 23, 2022

    As the year comes to a close, Grant and Chris take a step back from the daily news cycle to talk about what surprised them this year. The Zero-COVID policy in China, the rotating door at 10 Downing Street, and much more as well as a peak behind the curtain about the media industry. Thank you for listening to us through this year and we always look forward to your feedback so please email us at podcasts@thedsrnetwork.com.

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    From The Silo: 2021: The Year We Realized Just How at Risk Our Democracy Is Dec 24, 2022

    Originally Aired: December 22, 2022

    From a year that began with January 6th to the American Rescue Plan, Build Back Better, and Beyond, 2021 has been an especially vital year for American democracy, health, and economic renewal. The review the year in politics and advise the Biden administration as to what should come next, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Jennifer Rubin and E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post. Is there any hope that voting rights and vote counting will be secured in the coming year? What can Democrats do to hold onto their majorities in Congress? How should the Biden administration adjust moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on politics in 2021. Don’t miss this vital conversation.

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    Reasons the Biden Administration Be Celebrating This Holiday Season Dec 22, 2022

    The end of the year offers a variety of special treats. For DSR listeners it means looking back on the politics of 2022 with David Rothkopf, Norm Ornstein, and David Corn. They discuss the work of the January 6th committee, the successes of a Democratic Congress, and much more. Members of the DSR Network get access to a bonus conversation with David, Simon Rosenberg, and Rep. Adam Smith (WA-09) about the war in Ukraine and the coming battles with a Republican-controlled House of Representatives. Join us for the informative conversation!

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    Biden's Midterm Review Dec 20, 2022

    President Biden is halfway through his Presidency and to look back on the good and bad of the last two years, David Rothkopf talks with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Stephen Walt from the Harvard Kennedy School. What were the President's missteps and successes? What issues are mostly missed by the media? What are we hoping for in 2023 and beyond? Find out during this thought-provoking episode. Join us!

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    From The Network: Next in Foreign Policy - The Iranian Protests with Sara Haghdoosti Dec 18, 2022

    Protests following the death of Masha Amini continue to put pressure on Iran. Grant and Zoe talk with Sara Haghdoosti of Win Without War about the protests, what America can do to help, and how literature can cross boundaries.

    For our final segment Zoe talks about Topdog/Underdog, Sara gives a shout out to Bluey, and Grant talks about border clashes between China and India.

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    From The Silo: A Look Back at the World in 2021 Dec 17, 2022

    Originally Aired: December 20, 2021

    From January 6th to the Democracy Summit, 2021 has been an eventful year fore foreign policy and national security. To throughly review the year, adjudicate President Biden's performance, and discuss what you might have missed, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. What will historians write about 2021 in 2201? How did Biden's first year in office impact the great foreign policy issues of our moment? What did we not focus on enough this year? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on 2021. Don't miss this thoughtful conversation.

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    Front Line Reports from the Information Wars Dec 15, 2022

    Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter has made many re-evaluate the role of social media and new media. As people who work primarily in and around social and new media, David, Tara, and Simon talk about how Democrats need to step up and take on these challenges. How should we engage on social media? Do Progressives need to build their own media ecosystem? What can we learn from Republicans? Find out on this thought provoking conversation.

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    The Grave Threat of How We View Threats Dec 13, 2022

    The U.S.-Africa Leaders Summit is underway and it poses a series of questions about Africa itself and great power competition with China. David works through those questions with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Is the time to invest in Africa now? How has America's military-industrial complex warped our foreign policy? Are we being too hawkish on China? Our regulars discuss these and other issues during this striking conversation. Don't miss it!

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    From The Network: The Secret Life of Cookies - Democracy, Justice and a Giant Rice Cookie with Dahlia Lithwick Dec 12, 2022

    DSR Network Podcast: The Secret Life of Cookies

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    Marissa’s guest is the brilliant and marvelous Dahlia Lithwick, senior legal correspondent for Slate, host of the Amicus podcast and author of the must-read Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America. While making the famous Persian rice dish tahdig, the two discuss the most recent threats to democracy and yet still remain full of hope.

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    From The Silo: Kavanaugh is Not Just a Nominee. He's a Symptom Dec 10, 2022

    Originally Aired: October 1, 2018

    The political furor around the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court may seem like pure domestic US politics, but the implications for America’s role in the world are serious. Not only does the chaos in the US symptom send a disconcerting message to those who once emulated us and an inviting one to our enemies, but the politics behind the nomination hint at bigger issues to come. America is growing more divided between less populated, less diverse “red” states that are disproportionately empowered by the US Constitution and the more diverse, less xenophobic, more urban “blue” states. According to Rosa Brooks of our panel, the last time our structural imbalances were this great we had a civil war. Are we on the precipice of greater unrest? Rosa is joined by Kori Schake of IISS and Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic Council for a discussion on this, America’s soft power of attraction…and the sweet and surprising attraction between Donald Trump and, his new love, Kim Jong-Un. Tune in!

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    How Dangerous is this Supreme Court? Dec 08, 2022

    The Supreme Court is back in session and taking on a number of hot button issues this session. To break down the latest episode, David sits down with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate. How likely is the Supreme Court to side with those pushing the Independent State Legislature doctrine? How much do our hopes hinge on Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh? Is masterpiece cakeshop coming back from the dead? Find out during this timely discussion. Don't miss it.

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    Reading the Tea Leaves: 2023 and 2024 Dec 06, 2022

    As we march towards the end of the year, David talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and Ed Luce of the Financial Times talks about what to expect over the next two years. Will Trump get indicted? Will Biden run again? How bad will a Republican-led House of Representatives be? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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    From The Network: Words Matter - The Lame Duck Congress Dec 04, 2022

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita discuss what remains on the agenda for the lame duck Congress including issues like the debt limit and the looming threat of a railroad strike. Members of the DSR Network get access to a bonus conversation about the respect for marriage act and World AIDS day.

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    From The SIlo: A Conversation With Senator Chris Murphy Dec 03, 2022

    Originally Aired: March 3, 2022

    Senator Chris Murphy is an outspoken progressive leader on foreign policy and has been a passionate supporter of Ukraine. Dr. Kavita Patel sat down with Senator Murphy to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine and how America's adversaries and allies are viewing the conflict around the world. They also discuss the fight against COVID-19 and the fight for gun control. How should the U.S. approach a hesitant India on Russia sanctions? What is the next step for American policy towards COVID-19? Will anything ever get down to end the epidemic of gun violence in our country? Find out on this wide-ranging episode.

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    The Outlook for Congress with Representative Eric Swalwell Dec 01, 2022

    With the midterms results in the rearview mirror (at least in the house), Simon sits down with Representative Eric Swalwell (CA-15) to talk about what they mean for Congress moving forward. How will a GOP-led house change things? Will a Speaker McCarthy push through support for Ukraine? How important is a unified Democratic party in the minority? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Members get a brief conversation between Simon, Tara, and producer Grant Haver about what Democrats can do while in the minority.

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    Expecting the Unexpected: U.S. Foreign Policy Outlook Nov 29, 2022

    Coming out of Thanksgiving and the midterms, David talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress about what the next two years of America's foreign policy will look like. How should America approach a new Bibi government in Israel and the broader Middle East? Is Biden's China policy on the right track? What should we expect to come of the war in Ukraine? Find out the answer to these and other core question during this insightful conversation. Join us!

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    From The Network: The DSR Daily Brief - November 21, 2022: Malaysia’s election, Turkey hits kurdish militants, and the death of Hebe de Bonafini Nov 27, 2022

    The one hundred and eighty-fifth episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode

    Malaysia’s election uncertainty drags out as party dithers

    Turkey strikes Kurdish militants a week after Istanbul blast

    Argentina: 'Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo' co-founder dies

    Deadly earthquake rocks Indonesia

    World Cup 2022: Iran's Ehsan Hajsafi speaks out over conditions in his home country

    Two prominent Iranian actresses arrested - state media

    Iran: Rights groups warn of crackdown in Kurdish Mahabad

    Iran protests continue to rage on streets as officials renew threats

    Iran issues first death sentence linked to recent protests

    Are 15,000 Iranian Protesters Going To Be 'Mass Executed'?

    US imposes new sanctions on Iranian officials over crackdown on protests

    Texas woman pleads guilty to smuggling spider monkey in 'beer' box

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    From the Silo: A Very Deep State Thanksgiving Nov 26, 2022

    Originally Aired: November 22, 2017

    What are Deep State Radio nerds thankful for this Thanksgiving? We poll our experts and we get just the responses you would expect. One said he is thankful we have not had a nuclear war with North Korea...yet. Of course, many said they were grateful for Robert Mueller. And while others mentioned being grateful for all the faceless bureaucrats of the Deep State themselves...almost all of our experts showed a lot of love all our Deep State Radio nerds. Break out the box wine, pop a ear bud into your ear, and covertly listen along instead of having to endure your crackpot relatives around the Thanksgiving table. Happy Thanksgiving from all of us down here in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark to all of you out there living the Twilight Zone reality that has become our daily lives.

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    As Goes Michigan So Goes The Country Nov 23, 2022

    Michigan proved to be not only a blue wall during the midterms but an example for others to follow. David talks with Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson about her work protecting and expanding the franchise as well as the bell weather nature of Michigan. Members of The DSR Network get to go deeper on these issues as Tara McGowan has a conversation with Representative Debbie Dingell (MI-06). Join us!

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    What Should World Leaders Be Thankful For? Nov 22, 2022

    As America begins to settle in for Thanksgiving, the original crew of DSR talks about what world leaders should be thankful for. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown moderates as David Rothkopf is stuck on the New Jersey Turnpike and it joined by Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Hear their takes on Presidents Xi, Putin, Biden, and Zelensky. Don't miss it!

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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with David Rothkopf Nov 22, 2022

    This is the final episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Ed Luce in conversation with David Rothkopf at Politics and Prose. They talked about how the book came together, the themes within the book, and what surprised David while he was writing it. Don't miss it.


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    From The Network: Next In Foreign Policy - Defense Technology Innovation with Cameron McCord Nov 20, 2022

    A core challenge facing the American defense enterprise is the pace of technology innovation. Grant and Zoe sat down with Cameron McCord to talk about how his experience in the military and on the Hill make him think differently about the issue of tech innovation within government.

    In our final segment, Zoe talks about the collapse of FTX, Cameron discusses this article in Breaking Defense, and Grant slams FIFA.

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    From The Silo: The Philosophical Origins of Trumpism Nov 20, 2022

    Originally Aired: July 17, 2018


    Is Trumpism a philosophy? Does it have any hint of a philosophy within it? Is there any philosopher that ever existed that would embrace Trump? Does David Sanger remember any of his college philosophy courses? On this episode, Stanford's Kori Schake, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, David Sanger of the New York Times, and David Rothkopf, who grew up in New Jersey, walk us through how Trump may have developed what pass for his philosophies and consider the nature and origins of the ideas that drive his world view. Kori Schake also brings up Thucydides again and Ed uses the term "obscurantism." Don't miss it.

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    Bad Jews: A Conversation with Emily Tamkin Nov 18, 2022

    Anti-semitism continues to rear its head in the cultural and political context. David Rothkopf digs into this issue and the Jewish-American identity with Emily Tamkin, author of the new book "Bad Jews: A History of American Jewish Politics and Identities". How have American Jews balanced assimilation and distinctiveness overtime? How has the creation of the modern nation-state of Israel impacted American Jews? How has Jewishness been thrust into modern political debates? Find out during this fascinating conversation. Join us!

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    A Generational Sea Change in American Politics Nov 17, 2022

    Gen Z had a massive impact on the midterms. To talk about that impact and what may come from it moving forward, David Rothkopf and Simon Rosenberg sit down John Della Volpe, the director of polling at the Harvard Kennedy School Institute of Politics, and the author of Fight: How Gen Z is Channeling Their Fear and Passion to Save America. Why does Gen Z vote so heavily for Democrats? What can get them to turn out? Is the Democratic party set up to accept them? Find out during this thought provoking conversation. Don't miss it.

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    Is the Ukraine War About to Escalate? Nov 15, 2022

    Ukraine has made significant strides in retaking land from Russia. David talks with Rosa Brooks from Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Michael Weiss of Yahoo News, about what is happening in the war and how Russia is handling this latest turn of events. How bad is the Kherson withdrawal for Russia? What should we expect Poland to do after getting hit by a Russian missile? How does this all end? Members of the DSR Network get a bonus conversation about U.S.-China policy following the Biden-Xi meeting in Bali. Join us!

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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with Fiona Hill Nov 15, 2022

    This is the fifth episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new bookAmerican Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features David Rothkopf in conversation with Fiona Hill, former Deputy Assistant to the President of the United States. David and Fiona discuss how Trump made foreign policy, Trump's impeachment and much more. Don't miss it.

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    From The Network: Words Matter - Midterm Reflections Nov 13, 2022

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita provide their analysis of the midterms, discuss what they got right (and wrong) heading in, and where this goes from here. Members of the DSR Network get a bonus segment on how the parties should react to the results headed into 2024.

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    From the Silo: Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy...But We're Not Out of the Woods Yet Nov 12, 2022

    Originally Aired: November 9, 2022

    Donald Trump's defeat is a watershed in modern U.S. history and a relief for so many of us that it may do permanent damage to the sales of Tums and headache medications. Which is a good thing. But, having said that, huge challenges remain for the US and the world. We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Ben Ehrenreich, award-winning author whose most recent article is "How Do You Know When Society is About to Fall Apart?" (Ben, by the way, is Rosa's brother!). Don't miss our celebration...Deep State-style.

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    The Day After: Insights in the Election from Some of the People Who Actually Called It Correctly Nov 09, 2022

    The midterms turned out exceptionally well for Democrats and in the process David, Simon, and Tara's analysis from last week was vindicated! The team reconvenes with Tom Bonier of TargetSmart to talk about the races that have already been called and the vote that is still left outstanding. What are the key takeaways from last night? Is this a victory for Democrats or just better than expectations? Is GenZ the most important generation politically now? Find out in this thoughtful discussion.

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    Election Aftershocks: Multiple Blows to America's Standing in the World? Nov 08, 2022

    Americans are headed to the polls and who they elect will have ripple effects around the world. David talks with Rosa Brooks from Georgetown University, Ed Luce from the Financial Times, Norm Ornstein from the Words Matter Podcast, and David Sanger from the New York Times about what might happen today and what it means for the world. What does an unpredictable U.S. mean for our allies and adversaries? How bad would a red wave be? What races are we watching tonight? Find out during this very timely episode. Join us!

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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with Ambassador Bill Taylor Nov 08, 2022

    This is the fourth episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features David Rothkopf in conversation with Ambassador Bill Taylor, former United States Ambassador to Ukraine. David and Ambassador Taylor discuss Trump's feelings about Ukraine, what was happening behind the scenes in Kyiv during the Trump Presidency, and much more. Don't miss it.

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    From The Network: Words Matter- The Last One Before The Midterms Nov 06, 2022

    Each week, Norm Ornstein and Kavita Patel, talk about the issues facing our country as we head into the midterms and what our leaders are saying and doing about them. We hope you like the show and we'd love to hear your feedback. If you have any comments feel free to send us an email at podcasts@thedsrnetwork.com.

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne to discuss his latest column "In the midterms, GOP extremism is the ghoul in the room" and then they give their predictions about the midterms. Members of the DSR Network get a bonus segment on Biden's speech on the value of Democracy.

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    From the Silo: The Great Thucydides Cage Match Nov 05, 2022

    Originally Aired: August 3, 2017

    We present you, our beloved Deep State nerds, with the face-off you've been anticipating all summer. Our expert team breaks down rising powers, ruling powers, and the forces that drive war. Graham Allison and Kori Schake debate The Thucydides Trap, Rosa Brooks and David Rothkopf help us make sense of the similarities between ancient and modern history, all while convincing us to read The History of the Peloponnesian War. Come for the cage match and stay until the very end for some chilling insights into North Korea.

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    Special Pre-Election Thought Leader Episode: Economic Futures and American Division Nov 04, 2022

    As we inch closer to the midterms, David Rothkopf takes a step back from the fray to speak with three thought leaders about the economy and how divided Americans actually are. In the first segment David talks with Michael Tomasky about his recent book "The Middle Out: The Rise of Progressive Economics and a Return to Shared Prosperity". Following that conversation, David turns to Patricia Duff of The Common Good and Spencer Kimball of Emerson College about their new poll and report called The Common Good Index of National Division. Don't miss these vital conversations.

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    The Myth of the Red Wave: Encouraging Signs the Pundits Have Missed Leading to the Election Nov 03, 2022

    With less one week before the midterms, David Rothkopf, Simon Rosenberg of NDN, and Tara McGowan of Good Information and Courier Newsroom speak with Cecile Richards, co-founder of Supermajority about the role of women and abortion as an issue in the midterms. How are Republicans changing the subject on abortion? Will women be the X-Factor to Democratic victory? Is the media getting bullied by Republicans? Find out the answers to these and other questions in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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    American Resistance: The World in a K-Cup Nov 01, 2022

    Each federal employee takes an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic,” but none had imagined that enemy might be the Commander-in-Chief. With the presidency of Donald Trump, a fault line between the president and vital forces within his government was established. Those who honored their oath of office, their obligation to the Constitution, were wary of the president and they in turn were not trusted and occasionally fired and replaced with loyalists.

    DSR Host David Rothkopf's latest book, American Resistance is the first book to chronicle the unprecedented role so many in the government were forced to play and the consequences of their actions during the Trump administration. David discusses the stories and people in the book with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't miss it!

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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with Dr. Anthony Fauci Nov 01, 2022

    This is the third episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's new book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chief Medical Advisor to the President of United States. David and Dr. Fauci discuss the trade offs between science and politics, the COVID-19 response, and much more. Don't miss it.

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    From The Network: DSR Daily Brief - October 28, 2022: Iranian drones in Ukraine, Musk buys Twitter, and Pyongyang shoots more missiles Oct 30, 2022

    The one hundred and seventy-first episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode

    Ukraine war: Russia deploys dozens of drones in two days - Zelensky

    Elon Musk begins Twitter reign by firing CEO, top executives

    Pyongyang shoots two missiles into East Sea

    Brazil's Lula keeps lead in roughly stable race against Bolsonaro, two polls show

    Nigeria: US orders diplomats' families to depart Abuja

    Done deal: Europe scraps the car engine

    New Zealand leader Ardern makes rare trip to Antarctica

    Maine begins removing those naughty license plates

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    From The Silo: Twitter's Dynamic Duo: My funny, profanity laced, insightful conversation with Rick Wilson and Molly Jong-Fast Oct 29, 2022

    Originally Aired: February 15, 2019

    They're twitter's dynamic duo: he's the peanut butter to her jelly, the Mickey to her Minnie, the Batman to...you get the point. These two guests are hilarious and when you bring them together on this podcast, THEY ARE FIRE. You'd think that leading GOP strategist Rick Wilson and liberal writer Molly Jong-Fast would have nothing in common, but you're wrong. They have two very important things in common; they hate Trump and they love our country. In this podcast we talked about twitter trolls (Molly LOVES them) the best nickname ever given to a shady Governor (thank you Rick) and guesses for 2020, along with a ton of other politichitchat.

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    The View from Texas and Biden's Economic Success Story Oct 27, 2022

    With less than two weeks left before the midterms, Simon Rosenberg of NDN and Tara McGowan of Good Information and Courier Newsroom, are focusing on the races and issues driving turnout. In our first segment, they talk with Nick Rathod, Campaign Manager of Beto O'Rourke's Gubernatorial bid about the state of the race, their innovative messaging strategy, and how to build a structure for future progressive victories. After that, Simon and Tara are joined by Robert Shapiro, an economist who is the cofounder and chairman of Sonecon, to discuss the impact Biden's economic policy has had and how Democrats can more effectively tell that story. Members of the DSR Network get a bonus segment about the races and storylines they are following in the waning days of the election cycle. Don't miss it.

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    Chip War: A Conversation with Chris Miller Oct 26, 2022

    Semiconductor chips have become the lifeblood of the modern economy and also modern warfare. In his new book, "Chip War: The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology" Chris Miller traces the problem and provides some recommendations about how American can win the war for chips. How extensive are the problems around chip supply and fabrication? Should America embrace industrial policy to solve these problems? Is the Biden approach working? Find out the answer to these and other vital questions during this deep conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Will We Win the War and Lose the Peace in Ukraine Oct 25, 2022

    The war in Ukraine may have fallen out of the headlines but it continues to grind on. David speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Andrew Weiss of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security about the latest updates from Ukraine and what could come next. How bad was the Progressive Caucus letter on Ukraine? Will someone use a dirty bomb in Ukraine? What more assistance do they need? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this timely episode. Join us!

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    From the Network: Next in Foreign Policy - Foreign Policy and Congress with Geo Saba Oct 23, 2022

    Congress is supposed to be the preeminent branch of government but in foreign policy and technology issues it often feels woefully behind. Grant and Zoe talk about this issue with Geo Saba, Chief of Staff to Ro Khanna (CA-17), and about his experience working on Capitol Hill.

    In our final segment, Zoe discusses the success of the DART program, Geo Saba talks about the Nobel Prize winners in Physics, and Grant talks about the ongoing crisis in Haiti.

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    From the Silo: Britain Has a New PM: In Search of a Silver Lining Oct 22, 2022

    Originally Aired 9.6.22

    Liz Truss is the latest Prime Minister in the United Kingdom but how will she do? David discusses with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Clive Priddle of Public Affairs. How did she win the leadership race? Will she be a marked difference from Boris Johnson? Will she make it through the year? Find out in this timely and insightful conversation. Join us!

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    The Divider: A Conversation with Peter Baker Oct 21, 2022

    Peter Baker and Susan Glasser chronicled the four years of the Trump Administration in their latest book "The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021". David Rothkopf sat down to talk with Peter about the revelations in the book. Why did people join and stay in the Trump administration? What surprises do those years still hold? What fears does Peter have for the future? Find out in this special episode!

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    UK Chaos Update, US Early Voting Data Decoded: A Special Jumbo Episode Oct 20, 2022

    While we normally focus on election related issues during this podcast, we couldn't help but start the show with a brief conversation between David Rothkopf and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about Liz Truss and the shortest stint of a Prime Minister in the United Kingdom for more than 100 years. The rest of the episode is a conversation between David Rothkopf, Simon Rosenberg of NDN, and Tom Bonier of TargetSmart. How are the early vote numbers looking? Is there any good news for Democrats? What should candidates be doing at this point? Find out during this timely conversation. Join us!

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    The Globalization Myth: A Conversation with Shannon O'Neil Oct 19, 2022

    With all the talk of decoupling and economic nationalism, was globalization even real? Shannon O'Neil takes on globalization and makes the case that for why regionalization, not globalization, has been the biggest economic trend of the past forty years in her new book. Did globalization miss most of the world? How can regionalism increase economic prosperity? Is there a way to beat back the economic populism? Find out the answer to these and other vital questions during this deep conversation. Don't miss it!


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    American Resistance Mini-Series: A Conversation with Olivia Troye Oct 18, 2022

    This is the first episode of a six part mini-series on the people and issues featured in David Rothkopf's forthcoming book American Resistance: The Inside Story of How the Deep State Saved the Nation. This episode features Olivia Troye who served as the Homeland Security and Counterterrorism advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. David and Olivia discuss her experience in the Trump administration, how specific members of the Trump administration made it more difficult to protect the country, and what threats still remain. Don't miss it.

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    From The Network: The Secret Life of Cookies - Miles Taylor and the Truth About the Trump White House and Taylor Swift Oct 16, 2022

    Marissa’s guest this week on podcast is Miles Taylor, the man formerly known as “Anonymous,” who was one of the first people from inside the Trump administration to speak out honestly about what life in the White House was really like (hint: just as you imagined during your worst nightmares). Marissa and Miles spoke just hours after the January 6 Committee gave its last public hearing and you won’t hear his important insights into domestic terrorism anywhere else. Miles and Marissa self-soothed making Taylor Swift’s chai cookies.

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    From The Silo: The Trump Coup: A Week in Washington Like No Other Oct 15, 2022

    Originally Aired: January 07, 2022

    In the midst of a pandemic, with almost 4000 people dying every day, when the nation should be coming together, the President of the United States once again tore it asunder. Worse, what he did was mobilize the first violent coup attempt in US history on the back of his months long seditious efforts to nullify the November election and steal the sovereign power of American voters. As it happens, he also did it on a week when the Democratic Party secured control of the US Senate, another development with seismic consequences in Washington. We discuss these events and their meaning with former Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams advisor Karen Finney, election law specialist Rick Hasen, former Obama health policy advisor Dr. Kavita Patel and NYU Law Professor and co-editor of "Just Security" Ryan Goodman. It's an important deep dive into the meaning behind the events of an extraordinary week. Join us.

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    From Evil Geniuses to Evil Doofuses: The F**kening of America Oct 14, 2022

    In a special episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf talks with Kurt Andersen about where his "evil geniuses" are now and the state of the country as we head into the midterms. They are joined by Nell Scovell and Marissa Rothkopf who both worked for Kurt at Spy Magazine. How have the Republican party and the media been corrupted? Why are Harvard and Yale graduates railing against the "elites"? Is Spy Magazine ultimately at fault for the political rise of Donald Trump? Find out during this exciting episode. Join us!

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    Campaign 2022: The Progressive Play-by-Play Oct 13, 2022

    A new, election-focused revamp of the Deep State Radio Thursday podcast, we dive deep on what is going to drive outcomes in the November elections and welcome new co-hosts for this series Simon Rosenberg of NDN and Tara McGowan of Good Information and Courier Newsroom. Which seats are in play? How are abortion restrictions impacting the campaign? Are campaigns making the best use of new communications platforms? Find out the answer to these and other vital questions during this deep conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Waging a Good War: A Conversation with Thomas Ricks Oct 12, 2022

    There is very little scholarship on the Civil Rights Movement using a warfighting lens. So Tom Ricks set about creating some. In his new book, "Waging a Good War: A Military History of the Civil Rights Movement, 1954-1968" Tom talks about the strategy and tactics that the Civil Rights Movement used to defeat segregation. How did members of the civil rights movement train? How did they use nonviolence to take on the violence of Jim Crow? Why were meetings so important to the movement? Find out the answer to these and other vital questions during this deep conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Putin's Shrinking Options in Ukraine Oct 11, 2022

    Putin continues to saber rattle his nuclear weapons and President Biden continues to warn of armageddon. To cut through the rhetoric David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. How worried should we be about nuclear war? What should we make of the recent moves by OPEC+? What more can the Biden administration do to support Ukraine? Find out in this lively discussion. Don't miss it.

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    From the Network: Words Matter - The polls and polling with Anna Greenberg Oct 09, 2022

    On this week's episode, Norm and Kavita talk with Anna Greenberg of GQR about the polls headed into the midterms and the broader conversation around the value of public polling in our extremely partisan environment.

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    From the Silo: What Does Putin Most Desire? Oct 08, 2022

    Originally Aired: 12/21/17


    In David Rothkopf’s absence this week, Rosa Brooks hosts and reminds listeners that the Deep State Radio crew will soon be retreating into the bunker for some holiday eggnog, before resuming in the new year. The Atlantic’s Julia Ioffe argues that Putin is overrated, and the BBC’s Kim Ghattis and Kori Schake argue that the new US National Security Strategy is also overrated (and incoherent). Julia confesses that she has lost all hope, Kori lends her the Tiara of Optimism, and Kim describes Arab schadenfreude over #MeToo.

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    What’s Worse than A President Stealing Highly Classified National Secrets? Oct 07, 2022

    Recent reporting has revealed the Trump may be holding onto additional classified documents. To discuss this news and the future of the January 6th committee, David spoke with Mary McCord of Georgetown University and Norm Ornstein of the Words Matter Podcast. Should the DOJ approach its case differently as Trump is a former President? Is the DOJ pursuing additional searches? What is in store for the final hearings of the January 6th committee? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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    The Big Lie: A Conversation with Jonathan Lemire Oct 05, 2022

    Donald Trump's big lie about the 2020 election has not died. The lie and its impact on America's political culture is core to Jonathan Lemire's new book "The Big Lie: Election Chaos, Political Opportunism, and the State of American Politics After 2020". What is the power of the big lie? How has Trump built upon the lies of Republicans before him? How is the big lie impacting the 2022 midterms? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this insightful conversation. Join us!

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    Vlad and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day…er…Week…er…Month…er…War. Oct 04, 2022

    Russia has mobilized but has continued to take losses across Ukraine. To talk about Russia's failures and what the future will hold for it David speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Stephen Sestanovich of Colombia University. How bad is it for Putin? What weapons might he turn to next? Is there any chance for a diplomatic path to be successful? All these questions and more are answered in this expert conversation.

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    From the Network: The DSR Daily Brief - September, 30, 2022: Putin's annexation, Eurozone inflation, and Bosnia's general election Oct 02, 2022

    The one hundred and fifty-second episode of the DSR Daily Brief.

    Stories Cited in the Episode

    Putin to annex areas of Ukraine after 'sham' referendums

    Eurozone inflation hits record 10%, highest in the history of the euro

    What you need to know about Bosnia’s general election

    Prayut to continue as Thai prime minister after court rules on tenure limit

    Lebanon fails to elect new president as political crisis deepens

    Lev Tahor Jewish sect members held in Mexico escape

    Germany introduces €200B gas price cap to counter Russia’s ‘energy war’

    Stray dog caught on camera trying to steal from toy store

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    From the Silo: Trump Two Years After His Election: Who Gets the Lower Grade, the President or the People? Oct 01, 2022

    Originally Aired 11/01/2018

    With the midterm elections days away, our experts discuss just what the past two years have taught us about Trump, about the American electorate, and about the world. We also talk about where we are headed and what we can expect from the next two years of Trump's term...if he makes it all the way through them. Bow your heads and pray to the deity of your choice for the outcome we need. Then tune in to join Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of IISS, Evelyn Farkas of the Atlantic Council and Ed Luce of the Financial Times for an essential pre-Election Day Discussion.

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    Campaign ’22 Enters the Homestretch: How Can the Dems Win? Sep 30, 2022

    The midterms are only 42 days away and the polls are tightening. With everything at stake in these elections, David Rothkopf talks with Mara Rudman, EJ Dionne, and Wajahat Ali about how the Democrats can finish strong. What messages are breaking through? Why does it seem like the midterms have not captured the attention necessary? The answer to these and other pressing question during this energizing conversation.

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    Lady Justice: A conversation with Dahlia Lithwick Sep 28, 2022

    Following the election of Donald Trump, women lawyers sprang into action. Dahlia Lithwick explored their stories in her new book "Lady Justice: Women, the Law, and the Battle to Save America". Who were the unsung heroines working on the side of justice during the Trump years? How are their stories unique to the field of law? What hope can we have for the future given the partisan tilt of the courts? Find out in this insightful conversation. Join us!

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    Snark Attack: How Ukraine is Using Humor to Beat Putin…and Other Topics That Aren’t Funny at All Sep 27, 2022

    Italy elects its farthest right leader since Mussolini and Sweden also turns to the right. David Rothkopf brings together Rosa Brooks of Georgetown, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute to discuss these results, Kori's trip to Ukraine, and her recent New York Times Op-Ed. Why has Europe recently elected conservative leaders? What did Kori learn from her trip? Is Biden's foreign policy too cautious? Find out on during this expert conversation. Join us!

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    From The Network: Next in Foreign Policy - The Changing Face of the United Kingdom with Scott Bade Sep 25, 2022

    The Queen is dead and Brexit lives on. Grant and Zoe talk with Scott Bade of the Eurasia Group about how these changes will impact the United Kingdom and elsewhere.

    In our all podcast final segment, Zoe talks about Patagonia and the Climate, Scott talks about Space Policy, and Grant talks about a variety of border clashes.

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    From the Silo: There's a Mountain of Evidence Against Trump & His Coup Coconspirators. But Will DoJ Do Anything About It? Sep 24, 2022

    This episode originally aired on 8/6/21

    Slowly, thanks to Congressional information requests and court cases, hard evidence is emerging about the way the former president and those close to him worked to steal the last election. You would think that would lead to grand juries being empaneled, indictments and convictions. But so far, nothing of the kind seems imminent from the Department of Justice and while Congress has on-going investigations real concrete progress seems distant. Where does that leave us? We discuss with Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. It's a pretty tough discussion to hear...but you need to hear it.

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    American Psychosis: A conversation with David Corn Sep 22, 2022

    Has the Republican party always been like this or is Trump an aborreation? That is the core question in the new book by David Corn "American Psychosis: A Historical Investigation of How the Republican Party Went Crazy". Have the Republicans always played footsie with the far right? What resonances does our current moment have with the past? What is the original sin of the Republican Party? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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    Servants of the Damned: a conversation with David Enrich Sep 21, 2022

    The lawyers around Donald Trump have helped him carry out his corruption for years. David Enrich gets to the bottom of this in his new book "Servants of the Damned: Giant Law Firms, Donald Trump, and the Corruption of Justice". What does David make of the latest Trump legal news? What is the importance of Jones Day to the ascendance of Trump and his administration? How did Jones Day serve as a refuge for former Trump administration officials? Find out in this insightful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Is Having a Monarch One Way to Avoid Having a Trump? Sep 19, 2022

    Queen Elizabeth II's funeral was today. To talk about her life, legacy, and the impact of her reign of international relations David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Clive Priddle of PublicAffairs. What makes this more than a celebrity news story? Do nations need symbols like Monarchs? Find out the answer to these and more questions in this timely conversation.

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    How the Democrats Can Win in November Sep 15, 2022

    There are 56 days until the midterm election. To analyze the state of the race, David Rothkopf spoke with Simon Rosenberg of NDN. Do the Democrats have a chance to hold both chambers of Congress? What is the right message that will resonate with voters? Is passion on the side of Democrats? The answers to these and other pressing questions during this insightful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    The Hole Putin Dug Himself Into Sep 13, 2022

    Ukraine has begun a massive counteroffensive which has shocked many by how effective it has been. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University sits in for David Rothkopf to talk with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times about the news and what is means about the future of Russia. What is going on in Ukraine? How are these setbacks being viewed in Russia? Where is China in all of this? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    After Elizabeth Sep 08, 2022

    Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom died earlier today at the age of 96. She reigned over the United Kingdom and the broader commonwealth for more than 70 years. David marks this occasion with Ed Luce of the Financial Times. How should we think about the legacy of one of the world's longest reigning Monarchs? Is the Monarchy in the United Kingdom in danger of falling? Will Charles be able to succeed her? Find out the answers to these and other questions during this historic episode. Join us!

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    Britain Has a New PM: In Search of a Silver Lining Sep 06, 2022

    Liz Truss is the latest Prime Minister in the United Kingdom but how will she do? David discusses with Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Clive Priddle of Public Affairs. How did she win the leadership race? Will she be a marked difference from Boris Johnson? Will she make it through the year? Find out in this timely and insightful conversation. Join us!

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    Thank You For Your Servitude: a conversation with Mark Leibovich Sep 01, 2022

    Trump treats Republican elected officials poorly and yet they refuse to stand up to him. Chronicling this tortuous relationship is Mark Leibovich in his new book "Thank You for Your Servitude: Donald Trump's Washington and the Price of Submission". Why can't Republican elected officials quit Trump? What is Trump's appeal to the average voter? What happened when the Trump International Hotel was the center of gravity in Washington? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Mark Leibovich during this thought-provoking conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Trump's War on the Intelligence Community Aug 30, 2022

    The summer may be winding down but the legal pressure on Trump continues to be mounting. The Affidavit for the Search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago was released and his lawyers continue to act erratically. David Rothkopf talks with Mark Zaid of Mark Zaid PC, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and David Sanger of the New York Times to make sense of these developments and what they mean for the future of pursuing justice against Donald Trump. What more do we know about what was seized by the police? Can Trump's lawyers actually defend him? Is this the last straw from Trump? Find out in this thoughtful discussion. Join us!

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    FEED DROP: Words Matter - Views from the Road: Liz Cheney, John Fetterman... Aug 25, 2022

    This week DSR is taking a break but we hope you enjoy one of the latest shows on the DSR Network. Words Matter with Norm Ornstein and Dr. Kavita Patel


    Each week, Norm Ornstein and Kavita Patel talk about the issues facing our country as we head into the midterms and what our leaders are saying and doing about them. We hope you like the show and we'd love to hear your feedback. If you have any comments feel free to send us an email at podcasts@thedsrnetwork.com.

    On this week's episode, we talk about Liz Cheney's defeat, the senate race in pennsylvania, and we get the view from Chautauqua. You won't want to miss it!

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    The Destructionists: a conversation with Dana Milbank Aug 24, 2022

    There seems to be no end in sight for the GOP's movement towards radicalism but where did it start? That is the core question of Dana Milbank's new book "The Destructionists: The Twenty-Five Year Crack-Up of the Republican Party". Is Newt Gingrich the beginning of everything? What role does the media have to plan in this? How is the language used by Republicans working to divide the country? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Dana Milbank during this vital conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Slava Ukraini!: Special Ukrainian Independence Day Edition of DSR Aug 23, 2022

    With Ukraine's Independence Day on the horizon, David talks with Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University; Ed Luce of the Financial Times; and Doug Lute, Former United States Permanent Representative to NATO about the current state of the war and what to expect in the coming months. Is the U.S. on the verge of another massive investment in Ukraine's military? Can western unity survive a cold European winter? Should we be worried about another conflict breaking out on the continent? Find out in this thoughtful episode. Join us!

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    The Wheels of Justice May Turn Slowly But There Sure are a Lot of Them Spinning Right Now Aug 18, 2022

    The legal woes are mounting for Trump and his associates around the country. To analyze the latest legal news and its impact on the political landscape, David talks with Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas and Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress. What can we expect now that the search of Mar-a-Lago is in the rearview mirror? Is Fulton County the most likely place for justice to find Donald Trump? Do voters care about any of this? David, Steve, and Mara discuss during this jam-packed episode. Join us!

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    America's Great Power Opportunity: A Conversation with Ali Wyne Aug 17, 2022

    China and Russia are dominating the conversation in Washington but what does "great power competition" actually mean? That is a core question of Ali Wyne's new book "America's Great-Power Opportunity: Revitalizing U.S. Foreign Policy to Meet the Challenges of Strategic Competition". Is great power competition a good way of thinking about how the U.S. should respond to China and Russia? Are China and Russia self-limiting powers? Is the Biden administration competing with Russia and China effectively? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with Ali Wyne in this insightful episode. Don't miss it!

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    BDE or LDE? What’s Behind Trump’s Attempted Theft of Classified Documents? Aug 16, 2022

    Mar-a-Lago was searched for classified national security documents. David Rothkopf discusses the implications of this for our national security with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Joe Cirincione. Is this just another nothingburger? Will America come apart at the seams? How much of a threat is the GOP to America's national security? Find out in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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    What's it Going to Take to Stop the Fascists Aug 11, 2022

    A search was carried out of Mar-a-Lago this week and it has upended the usually sleepy August in Washington. To talk about the search, Trump's pleading the fifth, and a variety of other developments David and Kavita are joined by EJ Dionne and Max Boot both of the Washington Post. Is the GOP now fully Trumpified? How much legal jeopardy is Trump in at this point? Are Biden's recent legislative wins going to have any impact on the country's perception of him? Find out in this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it.

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    Ukraine Approaches a Turning Point: The Biden Administration Offers More Support for Zelensky Aug 09, 2022

    The war in Ukraine has been going on for almost six months. To get the latest news about the war and predictions about what comes next, David Rothkopf spoke with Mark Hertling formerly of the United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army; David Sanger of the New York Times; and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine. What is the current status on the ground in Ukraine? How has the U.S. response evolved as the war has continued? How long can Russia sustain the war? Find out on this very thorough episode. Join us!

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    Summer Weather Forecast: Trump Investigations Heating Up On Many Fronts Aug 04, 2022

    Since the last January 6th hearing, we have learned a significant amount about the events around January 6th. To discuss these updates, David and Kavita Patel talk with Allison Gill of the Daily Beans podcast and Frank Figliuzzi of NBC and MSNBC. What do we know now about the deletion of texts around January 6th by the Secret Service and others? How does the trail of Alex Jones play into this? Will Trump finally face justice? Find out in this deep conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Pelosi in Taiwan: Is the US-China Relationship Nearing a New Major Crisis? Aug 02, 2022

    Nancy Pelosi has touched down in Taiwan and thrown the U.S.-China relationship into tumult. David sits down with Graham Allison of Harvard University, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and David Sanger of the New York Times to discuss the trip and its impact on the future of Taiwan and U.S.-China relations. Should Nancy Pelosi have gone to Taiwan? How big a strain will this actually put on the relationship between the U.S. and China? Is strategic ambiguity dead or alive? Find out in this vital conversation. Join us!

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    Where Should the Jan 6 Prosecutors Look Next? Jul 28, 2022

    Olivia Troye was a senior advisor to Vice President Mike Pence. She was an early voice speaking out against Trump Administration abuses. She has attended many of the January 6 Committee hearings. On this special episode of DSR, Dr. Kavita Patel and David Rothkopf speak with Troye about the progress of the hearings to date and where the Department of Justice should be looking next. A must listen episode.

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    Special Deep State Radio Fifth Anniversary Extravaganza Jul 26, 2022

    Deep State Radio turned five this year! To celebrate we got the band back together. So this week David Rothkopf spoke with Rosa Brooks, Ed Luce, David Sanger, and Kori Schake. What has surprised them in the last five years? What lessons should we take forward into the next five? What predictions do they have for the future? Find out during this anniversary show! Don't miss it.

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    Garland has no Choice but to Indict Jul 22, 2022

    The last January 6th committee hearing of the summer was held last night. David and Kavita brokedown what the hearing said and what work the committee has left to do in order to fulfill their mission with an all-star group of guests including E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Eisen of the Brookings Institution, and former U.S. Solicitor General Neal Katyal. What surprised them about the hearing? What are the gaps that the committee still needs to fill? What could future hearings look like? Find out in this vital conversation.

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    Joe Biden's Surprisingly Successful Mideast Trip Jul 19, 2022

    President Biden just returned from the Middle East but how successful was the trip? David breaks down the trip with Kim Ghattas of the Atlantic, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University. What should we make of Biden's fistbump with MBS? Were the tradeoffs of the trip worth it? What comes next for Biden's globe-hopping? Find out the answer to these and other pressing foreign policy issues during this fascinating episode. Join us.

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    DSR Summer Twofer: Biden's in the Mideast but Where's Merrick Garland? Jul 15, 2022

    This week the January 6th committee held another public hearing. David sits down with Ryan Goodman of NYU and Greg Sargent of the Washington Post to discuss what we know now and what comes next in the search for justice for the perpetrators of January 6th. Halfway around the world Joe Biden is on a trip to the Middle East which is testing his diplomatic skills and his commitment to his framing of foreign policy as autocracy vs. democracy. For members, David caught up with David Sanger of the New York Times who is on the trip with Biden to discuss how the trip is going so far and the next stop for the President. Join us!

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    Do BoJo's Downfall & Trump's Troubles Signal the Global Populist Wave is Breaking? Jul 12, 2022

    Boris Johnson has resigned as Conservative Party leader and has an end date set for his time in 10 Downing Street. David Rothkopf talks with Clive Priddle of PublicAffairs and Max Bergmann of CSIS about the resignation and what it tells us about the future of populists across the globe. Would Johnson have left if it weren't for inflation? What comes next for the conservatives? Are populists on the run across the globe? Find out during is fascinating episode. Don't miss it!

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    Next Steps in Making the Case Against Donald Trump Jul 08, 2022

    The January 6th committee has come a long way but what comes next? David Rothkopf talks with Barb McQuade of Michigan Law and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas about the latest on the case against Trump. What more work does the January 6th committee need to accomplish? Will the Fulton County case go anywhere? How should we think justice when the Supreme Court seems so unjust? All the answers to these questions and more during this episode. Join us!

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    Ain’t No Cure for the Summertime Blues Jul 05, 2022

    President Biden is racking up wins at the NATO Summit but they are not resonating at home. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks, Ed Luce, and David Sanger about the NATO summit, the topics dominating the domestic conversation, and where we are in the war in Ukraine. What happened at the NATO Summit in Madrid? Why aren't Biden's foreign policy successes breaking through? Will the Ukraine war ever end? Find out during this wide-ranging episode. Don't miss it!

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    Don't Stick Fireworks Up Your Butt Jul 01, 2022

    Before heading off to celebrate July 4th, David, Kavita, Chris Cotnoir, and Grant Haver talk about a very busy work in domestic policy. The Supreme Court taking away the right to choose and limiting the powers of the EPA; Cassidy Hutchinson's gamechaning testimony; and the continued threat posed to Democracy. What will we be talking about during our respective barbeques? How concerned should we be about the future of this Supreme Court? Should Kamala Harris be the President in 2024? Find out during this exciting episode. Join us!

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    Showstopper Jun 28, 2022

    Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony in front of the January 6th committee was explosive. David breaks down all of the new facts we learned about the President and Mark Meadows in the lead up to January 6th with Harry Litman of the Talking Feds Podcast, Dahlia Lithwick of Slate, and Norm Ornstein of the Words Matter Podcast. What was the most damning fact that Hutchinson brought to light? Will the testimony change anything? Is Trump finally in the sights of the Department of Justice? Find out during this far reaching episode. Join us!

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    Warning: Weak Sauce Ahead Jun 23, 2022

    Earlier today, the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 to limit the ability of state and local governments to restrict guns outside the home. When asked about the decision, President Biden said, “I think it’s a bad decision, I’m disappointed.” Our panel consisting of Norm Ornstein, Dr. Kavita Patel and host, David Rothkopf called Biden's response, "weak sauce." They discuss this decision, another ruling by the Supreme Court limiting the ability to enforce Miranda Rights and what all this could mean for the 2022 midterms and beyond on the latest episode of Deep State Radio.

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    The Trial of Donald J. Trump Jun 22, 2022

    On this episode of Deep State Radio, David Rothkopf is joined by Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. They discuss the latest testimony from the January 6th hearings with a particular focus on whether or not there has been enough evidence to bring charges against the former president as well as whether the Attorney General would even consider taking the case. You can read Ed Luce's piece on the subject in in the Financial Times as a primer for this episode. Don't miss it.

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    The Revolutionary Act of Telling it Like it is About January 6th Jun 17, 2022

    The January 6th committee hearings have unearthed significant new facts around the coup attempt. David Rothkopf unpacks the latest news from the hearing with Harry Litman of the Talking Feds podcast, Dahlia Lithwick of Slate, and EJ Dionne of the Washington Post. How close were we to the death of a major political figure? Will the new footage of the day penetrate the mainstream news and reach Americans? Is the DOJ on the verge of actually indicting any of the ring leaders of the coup? All these answers and more on this vital episode. Don't miss it.

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    Democracy vs. Inflation Jun 14, 2022

    President Biden is headed to Saudi Arabia and will meet with Mohammed bin Salman. Is this the end for the "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing of America's foreign policy. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about this and other foreign policy issues facing the Biden Administration. Should Biden be having this meeting at all? Will it do anything to tame gas prices ahead of the midterm? Is there any way to keep the moral clarity of Biden's "Democracy vs. Autocracy" framing while working in a messy world? The answer to these and other vital questions facing the Biden Administration during this far-ranging episode. Join us!

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    A Life or Death Moment in the History of US Democracy Jun 10, 2022

    On Thursday, the January 6th committee held its first televised committee hearing in more than a year. The hearing brought to light many new revelations about how dark that day was and how long it had been planned. In order to make sense of the hearing and discuss what will come of it, David Rothkopf spoke with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Harry Litman of the Talking Feds podcast. What impact will the hearing have? Will it light a fire under the Justice Department? Will any of the new facts change the mind of a hyper-partisan public? All these questions and more answered during this insightful conversation. Don't miss it.

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    The Power of Crisis: A Conversation with Ian Bremmer Jun 08, 2022

    Global Health Emergencies, Transformative Climate Change, and the AI revolution are all staring the world in the face but global leadership seems nowhere to be found. David Rothkopf talks about these issues with Ian Bremmer whose new book "The Power of Crisis: How Three Threats – and Our Response – Will Change the World" covers these topics. Have we effectively defined our problems? Do we need a crisis to shift our thinking on the problems that face us? How has the decentralization of power change the way the policy conversation happens at a global level? Find out in this thought-provoking episode. Join us.


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    Putin Should Have Stuck to the Spy Game Jun 07, 2022

    The war in Ukraine has moved beyond the 100 day mark and the media has begun to lose interest. However, the conflict is far from done. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Mark Hertling formerly of the U.S. Army, and Tom Nichols of The Atlantic about where we find ourselves now and what might come next. Is Macron or Zelensky right? Should America continue to arm Ukrainians? How deeply has Putin deluded himself? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions as we enter a new phase in the conflict. Don't miss it!

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    Is America’s System of Justice Broken? Jun 02, 2022

    We are a week away from the first public hearing of the January 6th committee in almost a year and the Supreme Court is about to finalize rulings on a variety of hot button issues. To survey the legal landscape, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel talk with Joyce White Vance of the University of Alabama and Barb McQuade of the University of Michigan. What should we expect out of the January 6th committee? What happened with the Durham investigations?? Is the Supreme Court about to put even more guns on our streets? Find out the answer to these and other pressing legal questions on this prescient episode. Join us!

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    Ukraine on the Razor's Edge May 31, 2022

    Europe is banning Russian Oil, mostly, and Ukraine has battled Russia to a standstill. David Rothkopf talks with Angela Stent of Georgetown, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Ed Luce of the Financial Times about the latest news coming out of the conflict and what comes next. Will Ukraine be able to sustain their fight? Will the West be able to keep their attention on the war? What should we make of the recent news about sanctions and arms transfers in Europe? The answer to these questions and more on this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it!

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    How to Cure America’s Gun Disease May 26, 2022

    Yet another mass shooting has taken place in the United States and this time it was at an elementary school. Yet, the government continues to do nothing. In this special double episode, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel talk with Laurie Garrett about the shooting in Texas as a public health crisis and then later are joined by Mary McCord of Georgetown University to talk about potential legal responses to mass shootings. What can public health tools reveal about the epidemic of mass shootings happening in the United States? How has the growth of conspiracy theories impacted these shootings and public health more broadly? What can we do to stop the violence? The answer to these vitally important questions in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it.

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    The Great Experiment: A Conversation with Yascha Mounk May 25, 2022

    The United States seems at a breaking point. Election denialists, conspiracy theories, and extreme partisanship are straining the American institutions. Yascha Mounk's new book "The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure" dives into what causes these problems and what might be done to fix it. How pessimistic should we be for the future of American democracy? What is the impact of urbanization on polarization? Can classical liberalism be the answer? The answers to these and other questions facing democracy in America and around the world in this thought-provoking conversation. Join us.


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    Biden's Successful Asia Trip is Over: What Next? May 24, 2022

    President Biden is in Asia to coordinate with allies in the Quad and he also may have put the end to strategic ambiguity with regards to Taiwan. In this episode, David Rothkopf is joined by Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the financial times, and Sheila Smith of the Council on Foreign Relations breakdown the takeaways from the trip and what comes next for the U.S. in Asia. What should we make of the back and forth over whether the U.S. will defend Taiwan? What are the key takeaways from Biden's meetings with his Quad counterparts? What would a good U.S.-China policy framework actually look like? These answer to these questions and more on this timely episode. Don't miss it!

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    FEED DROP: Next in Foreign Policy "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena with Katie Howland" May 20, 2022

    Check out the newest podcast on The DSR Network focused on uplifting the voices of young and diverse national security and foreign policy expert as well as issues that might be off the beaten track.


    In this episode, Grant and Zoe were joined by Katie Howland, a Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) transparency activist. They discuss the history of UAP, why there is sudden interest from Capitol Hill and the media, and what we should be looking out for in the coming months and years.


    In the final segment, Katie talks about the rash of new anti-LGBTQ legislation, Zoe highlights an article about the mental impact on military drone operators, and Grant recommends Friends at the Table.


    If you are under 40 and interested in being featured on the podcast, be sure to fill out this form: https://airtable.com/shr5IpK32opINN5e9


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    Don't Look Now, the Democrats Can Win in November--Here's How May 19, 2022

    There is a significant amount of doom and gloom in the air when it comes to Democrats chances in the midterms; inflation, baby formula shortages, the latest COVID surge, monkeypox, and the war in Ukraine to say nothing of historical trends are giving Democratic strategists nightmares. But on this episode, David Rothkopf, Kavita Patel, Simon Rosenberg of NDN, and EJ Dionne of the Washington Post provide some hope and advice for the path forward. What should we make of the primary elections on Tuesday? How should Democrats frame the issues facing Americans? Are the polls actually as bad as pundits are claiming? Find out on this uplifting episode. Join us!

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    Freezing Order: A Conversation with Bill Browder May 18, 2022

    Bill Browder has been on a crusade against corruption in Russia since before he was labeled a "threat to national security" by Putin's regime. In his latest book, "Freezing Order: A True Story of Russian Money Laundering, State-Sponsored Murder,and Surviving Vladimir Putin's Wrath", Bill discusses the time period after the passage of the Magnitsky act and what else needs to be done to fight corruption in between stories of his real life being targeted by Putin and his oligarchs. David Rothkopf explores these issues as well as the chances of Putin's ouster, the impact of the war in Ukraine on the fight against corruption, and what more should be done in this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it.

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    Imagining the World Without Putin May 18, 2022

    As the war continues in Ukraine, Putin is looking worse for the wear. David Rothkopf speaks with Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine. Does Vladimir Putin have cancer? What would happen if Putin left office? Is Turkey about to veto Finland and Sweden joining NATO? Find out on this informative and entertaining episode. Join us!

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    The Supreme Court in Crisis May 12, 2022

    Leaks from the Court, protests outside of the homes of Justices, and the political maelstrom generated for turning back the clock on reproductive rights has shaken the Supreme Court. David Rothkopf talks with Harry Litman of Talking Feds and Katie Barlow of SCOTUSBlog about these updates and the future of the court. Where are we headed? How turbulent are things likely to get? What are seismic changes can we expect from the court? Find out during this thought-provoking episode. Don't miss it.

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    Overcoming Trumpery: A Conversation with Norm Eisen May 11, 2022

    In his latest book, "Overcoming Trumpery: How to Restore Ethics, the Rule of Law, and Democracy Norm Eisen", Norm Eisen lays out the unique characteristics that made up Trump's governmenance and what we can do to prevent them in the future. David Rothkopf explores these issues and how, unfortunately, the Trumpery did not end when Trump left office. What are the seven deadly sins of Trumpery? How are Justice Alito and Ron DeSantis using the same playbook as Trump? Is there any hope for accountability from Trumpery? Find out in excellent conversation. Join us!

    Links for your consideration:

    Washington Post - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/02/norm-eisen-how-overcome-trumpery-book/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=wp_opinions

    New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/02/opinion/trump-georgia-fulton-county.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion

    Slate - https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/05/samuel-alito-and-donald-trump-end-roe.html

    The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/28/the-trumpian-right-keeps-pushing-rule-of-law-to-the-brink-but-the-law-is-winning

    CNN - https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/10/opinions/trumpery-oz-walker-2022-election-eisen-galliher/index.html

    Newsweek - https://www.newsweek.com/alito-supreme-court-abortion-eisen-trump-1704519

    The Seven Deadly Sins of Trumpery - https://twitter.com/NormEisen/status/1524110953259974657

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    If Ukraine is a War of Attrition, Who is Attriting Whom? May 10, 2022

    Victory Day in Russia came and went without a Russian escalation of the war in Ukraine. However, that does not mean that the war is not continuing to grind down but Russia and Ukraine. David Rothkopf speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and David Sanger of the New York Times about the latest updates from the war. What role is China playing in the conflict? Is Russia going to be able to continue to perpetuate the war without any support from allies? Will America be able to keep their attention on Ukraine given the ongoing issues at home? Find out the answer to these and other issues on this insightful episode. Join us!

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    The End of a Woman's Right to Choose: Part II, Constitutional and Legal Consequences May 05, 2022

    On Monday, Politico released a draft version of a decision written by Justice Samuel Alito that would strike down Roe V. Wade. The leak of a draft decision is a huge break in the norms of the court as is the decision to overturn Roe. To discuss the fallout from this leak and what it means for the Supreme Court, David Rothkopf was joined by Dahlia Lithwick of Slate, Barb McQuade of the University of Michigan, and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas. What was most significant about the draft decision? Where do we think the leak originated? Are there other potential precedent cases that could be overturned? The answer to these and other pressing questions on this thoughtful episode. Don't miss it!

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    The End of a Woman's Right to Choose: Part I, Health and Political Consequences May 05, 2022

    On Monday, Politico released a draft version of a decision written by Justice Samuel Alito that would strike down Roe V. Wade. This monumental step, which has yet to be finalized, would have sweeping ramifications for the reproductive rights space and the political landscape headed into the midterms. To discuss the fallout from this blockbuster leak, David Rothkopf and Dr. Kavita Patel sat down with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Julie Rovner of Kaiser Health News. What does the mean for reproductive rights across the country? Will this fire up pro-choice voters enough to make a difference? What other issues could arise from this decision unrelated to abortion? Find out on this vital episode. Join us!

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    The Doomsday Episode May 03, 2022

    While the news may have moved on, are we stumbling towards Doomsday in Ukraine? David Rothkopf speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Tom Nichols of The Atlantic about the present and future of the conflict. Will Putin declare war on Ukraine? How close are we to nuclear war? Is realism in international relations finally dead? Find out on this thoughtful and provocative conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Why are the Douchebags in Charge? Apr 28, 2022

    Elon Musk has entered an agreement to buy Twitter and has vowed to make it more focused on freedom of speech. However, he is far from the only billionaire throwing his weight around. David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel talk with Wajahat Ali about Twitter and how billionaires are having an outsized say online and in the real world. What will Musk do with Twitter? Should the government be playing a larger role in regulating social media? How are billionaires using philanthropy to try and hide their moral failings? Find out on this insightful and also very funny conversation. Join us!

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    Should We Be Headed For The Bunker? Apr 26, 2022

    The war in Ukraine continues to grind on, will anything change the current balance on the ground? Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University discusses with Max Boot of the Washington Post, Suzanne Nossel of PEN America, and Angela Stent of the Brookings Institution. Will a color revolution happen in Russia? What should we make of Lloyd Austin's statements following his trip to Kyiv with Antony Blinken? Should Russian Tennis Players get kicked out of Wimbledon? All these questions and more answered during this fascinating episode. Join us!

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    What if Putin Uses a Nuke? Apr 21, 2022

    With the war in Ukraine going so poorly for Putin, could he be tempted to use nuclear weapons? David Rothkopf explores this question and how the West should respond with former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Doug Lute, David Sanger of the New York Times, Emma Belcher of the Ploughshares Fund, and Jon Wolfsthal of Global Zero. Would Putin use tactical nuclear weapons? How could the U.S. respond so that it is not too much and not too little? Will America fall into the trap of overspending on defense or will this be an opportunity to spend less smarter? The answers to all these questions and more in this thoughtful conversation. Join us!

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    Who's Winning the Money War with Russia: A Conversation with Jay Newman Apr 20, 2022

    The United States and our partners around the world have been turning the screws on Russia financially and Russians are doing everything they can to avoid the sanctions. David Rothkopf talks with Jay Newman, a former hedge fund portfolio manager for Elliott Management and novelist whose new book is "Undermoney: A Novel", about the methods they are using to skirt sanctions and what we can do to stop them. Are the sanctions making a difference? Can any economic pressure points work in the long term? Will Russia default on its debt and does it even matter? Don't miss this important conversation.

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    The Lessons of Ukraine So Far...for What Happens Next in Ukraine and Beyond Apr 19, 2022

    This week, David Rothkopf and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University are joined by Peter W. Singer of New America and Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine to discuss the lessons learned so far in the war in Ukraine and what that means for the future of the conflict and foreign policy more broadly. Was cyber actually not important in the conflict? What lessons is China learning from the conflict? How should we rethink the interconnectedness of the global economy moving forward? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions on this thoughtful episode. Join us.

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    Is COVID Becoming an Epidemic of the Poor and the Stupid? Apr 14, 2022

    Americans may be done with COVID but COVID is not yet done with us. David Rothkopf talks with Kavita Patel, formerly of the Obama Administration, and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett America taking its guard down too early and what that means for the future of the fight against COVID. What is the impact of personalizing risk assessment? How many boosters will we need? What about the global fight against the disease? Find out in this incredibly thorough episode.

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    100% Democracy: A Conversation with E.J. Dionne Apr 13, 2022

    Democracy is in danger in the United States, could universal voting be the cure? That is the question at the root of E.J. Dionne and Miles Rapoport's new book "100% Democracy: The Case for Universal Voting". What impact would this have on campaigns? How would you overcome the current practical hurdles to implementing this new system in America? Does it need to get worse before we take this idea serious? David Rothkopf explores these and other questions with E.J. Dionne in this insightful episode. Don't miss it!

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    Putin's Colossal Blunder Apr 12, 2022

    The Russians are attempting to consolidate their gains in the eastern half of Ukraine and Sweden and Finland are heavily considering whether to join NATO. David Rothkopf talks with Rosa Brooks for Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder about where we are in the war in Ukraine and what potentially comes next. How quickly could Sweden and Finland join NATO? What can we expect militarily in the next few weeks? Will MIG fighter jets actually make it Ukraine from a NATO state? Find out on this provocative conversation. Join us!

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    The Devil Never Sleeps: A Conversation About Learning to Live in an Age of Disasters with Juliette Kayyem Apr 08, 2022

    There have never been more ways for the world to be destroyed; nuclear warfare, pandemic, climate change, cyber attacks, and much more. Emergency Response expert and Harvard Professor, Juliette Kayyem's new book "The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disasters" is an extremely accessible guide to how to think about what we can do now to do better following disasters. What lessons can we learn from the Boston Marathon Bombing and the Tornado in Joplin, Missouri? What is the difference between being paranoid and prepared? Can we shake off monied interests in time to prepare for the next big disaster? Find out in this episode and then go buy the book!

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    How Do Democrats Win in November? Apr 07, 2022

    The economic outlook looks good but why do people not credit the Biden administration? David Rothkopf gets to the bottom of this issue with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Felicia Wong of the Roosevelt Institute. Where has the messaging gone off track? What impact has the war in Ukraine had on inflation? What can be done to shore up the American economy moving forward? Find out in this thought-provoking episode. Don't miss it!

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    What if You Were the General Who Had to Give Bad News to Putin? Apr 05, 2022

    As Russia is retreating from the region around Kyiv, they are leaving nightmarish scenes in their wake. David Rothkopf speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Doug Lute about the state of the conflict. What should we make of the Russian retreat? Is the UN really as ineffectual as Zelensky asserts? Will Russia use a tactical nuclear weapon? All these and other pressing questions answered in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    The Best of Times and The Worst of Times Mar 31, 2022

    Ginni Thomas was texting Mark Meadows, there was a gap in the calls logs at the White House on January 6th, and a judge ruled against former President Trump. With all this news David Rothkopf turned to Dr. Kavita Patel of the Obama Administration, Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Corn of Mother Jones to understand all this news. Will we see justice for the leaders of the January 6th insurrections? Is a Supreme Court Justice compromised? What will happen next? Find out during this wide-ranging conversation.

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    Lessons from the Edge: A conversation with Ambassador Masha Yovanovitch Mar 31, 2022

    While the American people may have been introduced to Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch in 2019 that is far from her whole story. In her new book "Lessons from the Edge: A Memoir" Ambassador Yovanovitch takes the read through her career and all the twists and turns that go with foreign service at a time where women were not thought to be up for the job. David Rothkopf speaks with her about drawing from her family's strength escaping oppression, the first impeachment of Donald Trump, and the ongoing war in Ukraine in this far-reaching conversation. Don't miss it!

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    The War in Ukraine After One Month: A Look Ahead Mar 29, 2022

    The war in Ukraine has extended into its second month. To make sense of how we got to this point and what comes next David Rothkopf speaks with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Is Macron getting constantly fooled by Putin? How well is the West doing when the Ukrainians continue to fight alone? What impact has the war had on the defense budget moving forward? Find out as we get the original crew back together for a fascinating conversation. Join us!

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    FEED DROP: Next in Foreign Policy "Documenting the Hong Kong Protests with Lorraine Ma" Mar 26, 2022

    Check out the newest podcast on the DSR Network Next in Foreign Policy. This show is focused on lifting up the voice of new and diverse national security and foreign policy leaders and exploring topics that are off the beaten track.


    This week Grant and Zoe were joined by Lorraine Ma an award-winning producer whose recent film Faceless, a documentary on the Hong Kong democracy movement that will air on VICE in June. They discuss the film, making documentaries on political subjects, and South-East Asia.


    In the final segment, Grant recommends The Price of Everything, Zoe raves about Boys State, and Lorraine suggests Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom and Dick Johnson Is Dead.


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    Note: All participants are speaking in their personal capacity.

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    The Challenges of Waging Economic War Against Russia Mar 24, 2022

    The Biden administration has announced dozens of sanctions against Russian individuals and organizations in an attempt to squeeze Vladimir Putin and abandon his war of choice in Ukraine. David Rothkopf talked Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Benn Steil of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Caroline Atkinson the former Deputy Director of National Security for International Economics about the impact of the sanctions and how they should be used moving forward. Are sanctions effective? Have we used them too much? How does the rest of the world view this? Find out during this thoughtful episode. Join us!

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    "Spies, Lies, and Algorithms": a conversation with Amy Zegart Mar 23, 2022

    Amy Zegart is a professor, former staff member of the National Security Council, and keen intelligence community watcher. Her latest book, "Spies, Lies, and Algorithms: The History and Future of American Intelligence" is a guide the history of the American intelligence enterprise from Washington to Biden. She also lays out how the intelligence community needs to evolve in the face of new threats and new technologies. How should the intelligence community work with the private sector? How had open-source intelligence changed the game? How should intelligence and defense officials think about risk? Find out by listening to this conversation and then buy the book to dive even deeper.

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    The War Crimes Case Against Vladimir Putin Mar 22, 2022

    Last week President Biden accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of being a war criminal. It does not take much more than to turn on the TV to see the war crimes of the use of cluster bombs and the Russian military deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure but is it possible to bring Putin to justice? David Rothkopf grapples with this question with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ryan Goodman of New York University, and Rebecca Hamilton of American University. How are cell phones changing the way war crime investigators collect evidence? What role can the U.S. play given that we are not a party to the court? What comes next in the investigation process? Find out on this thorough episode.

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    A Look Behind the New Iron Curtain: How Russians See the War in Ukraine Mar 17, 2022

    As Putin's war of choice in Ukraine continues, Russia is seeing major impacts domestically. The value of the Ruble dropped significantly following the invasion, Putin has cracked down on independent journalism, and sanctions are crippling the economy. To talk about the view from Moscow and the impact the war has had on Russians, David Rothkopf talked with Michael Weiss of New Lines Magazine and Jill Dougherty of Georgetown University. How is the war viewed in Russia? What impact will Putin's recent speech have? Do the protests in Russia matter? Find out the answer to these and other questions during this thoughtful conversation. Join us.


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    What are the Odds of a Shooting War Between NATO and Russia? Mar 15, 2022

    The war in Ukraine is moving into its third week and President Biden is headed to Europe for a meeting with NATO next week. David Rothkopf talks with David Sanger of the New York Times and Dmitri Alperovitch of the Silverado Policy Accelerator about the current state of the conflict and the potential path forward. Is China going to get involved? Why has Putin not used cyber against the West yet? What will come of Biden's meeting with other NATO heads of state? Find out the answer to these and other pressing questions on this insightful episode. Join us!

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    FEED DROP: Ukraine Daily Brief for March 11, 2022 Mar 11, 2022

    Today, we are bringing you the latest episode of the Ukraine Daily Brief, the new daily podcast from Deep State Radio bringing you the news you need to know about the war in Ukraine from the best outlets around the globe in less than 10 minutes. Subscribe to the Ukraine Daily Brief to get the latest updates from Grant Haver and Chris Cotnoir every weekday morning.

    Stories cited in the podcast (full list available on website):

    Russian forces regroup near Kyiv after setbacks

    Russian strikes hit western Ukraine as offensive widens

    Several major cities in Ukraine are "under attack," says presidential aide

    Ukraine is trying to open new evacuation routes on Friday, authorities say

    About 100,000 people have evacuated Ukraine through evacuation corridors in the past 2 days, Zelensky says

    UN Security Council to Meet Friday on Biological Weapons, at Moscow's Request

    Premier Li offers China’s help for ‘grave’ Ukraine situation

    U.S. Battles Russia and China on Ukraine War Disinformation

    Facebook allows Ukraine war posts urging violence against Russians

    Putin and Lukashenko to hold talks in Moscow on Friday

    Gerhard Schröder travels to Moscow to meet Putin in Ukraine peace bid

    Biden to announce Friday that US will move to revoke "most favored nation" status for Russia

    White House says US stands with companies pulling out of Russia, after Kremlin threatens to seize assets

    Russia hits back at Western sanctions with export bans

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    If Russia's Going to Accuse Us of Escalation Even if We Don't Escalate, Then Why Not Escalate Anyway? Mar 11, 2022

    As the war in Ukraine drags on, Russian atrocities are mounting. Bombing hospitals, using thermobaric weapons, and potentially escalating to chemical weapons. What should the West do? David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel look for answers with Alex Vindman former Director for European Affairs on the National Security Council and former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder. Should the U.S. get involved militarily in Ukraine? Is Putin on his way out? How should we approach countries that don't support Ukraine? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions during this dark period. Don't miss it!

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    The Day the Post Cold War Era Ended Mar 09, 2022

    The west had long ignored warnings from Eastern European states about the continued threat posed by Russia. Now, that threat is impossible to ignore. David Rothkopf spoke with former President of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves about the war in Ukraine, the Putin regime's anti-western bias, and the view from Eastern Europe. Is Russia's revanchism and foreign policy adventurism inherent to Russia or a result of its leaders? How concerned are the baltic states about the Russian threat now? What are the chances that Ukraine joins the EU and NATO? Find out the answer to these and other questions in this fascinating conversation. Join us.

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    The First Victim of Russia's War Against Ukraine Has Been Conventional Wisdom Mar 08, 2022

    The war in Ukraine continues to drag on into its second week. DSR host David Rothkopf speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University; Mark Hertling, former Commanding General of United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army; Michael Weiss, News Director at New Lines Magazine; and David Sanger of the New York Times about the current state of the conflict and what to expect in the coming days. What is the current situation militarily in Ukraine? Will Russia turn to cyber warfare soon? Are NATO countries going to be able to continue to supply Ukraine without being drawn into the conflict. Find out the answers to these questions and more on this informative conversation. Don't miss it.

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    FEED DROP: Ukraine Daily Brief for March 4, 2022 Mar 04, 2022

    Today, we are bringing you the latest episode of the Ukraine Daily Brief, the new daily podcast from Deep State Radio bringing you the news you need to know about the war in Ukraine from the best outlets around the globe in less than 10 minutes. Subscribe to the Ukraine Daily Brief to get the latest updates from Grant Haver and Chris Cotnoir every weekday morning.


    Stories cited in the podcast:

    Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant seized by Russians after shelling, say authorities

    Tweet from Mykhailo Podolyak

    FACT SHEET: The United States Continues to Target Russian Oligarchs Enabling Putin’s War of Choice

    EU urges UK to act faster before Russian assets are spirited away

    Georgia, Moldova Formally Apply For EU Membership Amid Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine

    Putin says he will destroy the ‘anti-Russia’ created by West and insists Ukraine invasion going to plan

    Quad leaders agree Ukraine experience should not be allowed in Indo-Pacific -Japan, Australia

    U.S. offers temporary legal status to Ukrainians, citing Russian attack

    Pentagon establishes communication line with Russians amid war in Ukraine

    China-based AIIB freezes lending to Russia and Belarus over Ukraine war

    President’s request for fiscal year (FY) 2022 supplemental funding

    Press remarks by Executive-Vice President Dombrovskis at the informal video conference of economy and finance ministers

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    A Conversation With Senator Chris Murphy Mar 03, 2022

    Senator Chris Murphy is an outspoken progressive leader on foreign policy and has been a passionate supporter of Ukraine. Dr. Kavita Patel sat down with Senator Murphy to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine and how America's adversaries and allies are viewing the conflict around the world. They also discuss the fight against COVID-19 and the fight for gun control. How should the U.S. approach a hesitant India on Russia sanctions? What is the next step for American policy towards COVID-19? Will anything ever get down to end the epidemic of gun violence in our country? Find out on this wide-ranging episode.

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    A Conversation With Former SACEUR General Philip Breedlove Mar 02, 2022

    As the war in Ukraine extends past its first week, Russia has turned to siege tactics, shelling major cities and targeting civilian infrastructure. DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses this change in tact with former Supreme Allied Commander, Europe General Philip Breedlove. How did we get to this moment? Will European countries actually give fighter jets to Ukraine? What are possible ways this could all end? Find out the answers to these and other vital questions in this thoughtful conversation. Don't miss it!

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    Before Putin Backs Down, He Will Double Down Mar 01, 2022

    The war in Ukraine continues with major Ukrainian cities either under seige or facing future shelling. DSR host David Rothkopf brings together Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University; Ambassador Douglas Lute, former U.S. Ambassador to NATO; and Ambassador Bill Taylor, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to discuss the current situation on the ground in Ukraine and potential paths forward in the conflict. Is deescalation possible? How bad will it this get for Ukrainian civilians stuck in Kharkiv and Kyiv? What is left for NATO to do to push back against Putin? Find out the answers to these and other pressing questions at the consequential moment in history. Join us.

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    Is Putin Crazy? Feb 24, 2022

    In the late hours of Wednesday, Vladimir Putin began a war of choice in Ukraine. On Thursday, President Biden detailed a variety of harsh sanctions that the United States, our allies, and partners will place upon Russia for his actions. To make sense of these developments, David Rothkopf spoke with David Sanger of the New York Times, Andrea Kendall-Taylor of the Center for a New American Security, and Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute. What comes next for Ukraine? Is Putin a rational actor? What more can the United States do to push back? All these questions and more answered on this episode. Don't miss it!

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    Where Can You Hit Putin So It Hurts? Feb 22, 2022

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    How Putin Can Declare Victory Without Invading Ukraine Feb 17, 2022

    Secretary of State Blinken laid out the administration's position on the situation in Ukraine at the United Nations. Russia has said that they might use military-technical means in Ukraine if their demands are not met. DSR Host David Rothkopf discussed the recent news in the ongoing crisis on the border of Ukraine with former U.S. Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute, Theresa Fallon of the Centre for Russia Europe Asia Studies, and David Sanger of the New York Times. How will the U.S. respond if Putin does something less than a full invasion? What can the U.S. do to deter Russia from pulling a stunt like this in the future? Will this create more burden sharing with America's European allies? Find out in this very timely conversation. Join us!

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    The Fog of Not Quite Knowing Whether It's Going to be War or Not Feb 15, 2022

    Russia is pulling troops back from its border with Ukraine, or are they staying in place? The Ukrainian dream of joining NATO is dead, or is it? In the midst of a turbulent newsweek and unclear reports coming out of Europe, David Rothkopf speaks with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Constanze Stelzenmüller of the Brookings Institution about what we know and what we don't about the ongoing crisis in Ukraine. They discuss the recent meeting between Russia President Vladimir Putin and Olaf Scholz, the U.S. efforts to dominate the information space, and what President Biden should say in his remarks on the situation today. Don't miss this demystifying discussion.

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    President Biden, Please Listen to this Podcast Feb 10, 2022

    On this very special Deep State Radio, we bring together a group of Washington's smartest policy thinkers to lay out a roadmap for a successful year of achievement for the Biden Administration, Democrats on Capitol Hill and for the United States as a whole. Guests, Mara Rudman of the Center for American Progress, Felicia Wong of the Roosevelt Institute, EJ Dionne of the Washington Post and co-host Dr. Kavita Patel tackle issues from inflation to COVID, competition with China to the crisis in Ukraine and much, much more. Don't miss this thought-provoking episode.

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    Even Putin Does Not Know What Putin Will Do Next Feb 08, 2022

    President Biden just met with new German Chancellor Scholz, Macron met with Putin and Zelensky, and Russian troops remain on the border of Ukraine. David Rothkopf discusses the latest news on the Ukraine crisis with Ambassador Bill Taylor, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine; David Sanger of the New York Times; and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Will Putin back down? How popular is this aggression in Russia? Is NATO prepared for potential cyber attacks? Why should average Americans care? Find out in this enlightening discussion. Join us!

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    The State of the Case Against Donald J. Trump Feb 04, 2022

    Every week it seems that more and more evidence of Donald Trump's attempts at election subversion are revealed but where is the Department of Justice in their investigations. With some of the crimes outlined in the Mueller Report reaching their statute of limitations, swift action is necessary to preserve our democracy. At this pivotal moment, DSR host David Rothkopf and co-host Kavita Patel talk with Richard Painter, former ethics lawyer in the George W. Bush administration, and Randall Eliason, former AUSA and Chief of the Public Corruption/Government Fraud section at the DC US Attorney's Office about the path forward for bringing Trump to justice. How do we know if Merrick Garland is moving fast enough? What laws need to be adjusted to prevent corruption in the future? Will Trump be charged with obstruction of justice. All these questions and more are discussed in this timely conversation. Join us.


    In the bonus segment, David and Kavita are joined by Asha Rangappa of Yale University and Norm Eisen of the Brookings Institution to continue the conversation, determine the likelihood of a seditious conspiracy charge, and discuss the potential of prosecution at the state level.

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    Go Back to Where You Came From: A Conversation with Wajahat Ali Feb 02, 2022

    Wajahat Ali is a columnist, commentator and a wise, funny commentator on American politics and life. His latest book, "Go Back to Where You Came From" is a memoir of his experiences growing up a Muslim-American in the US both before and after 9/11. While the societal dysfunction he addresses is real, by illustrating it through his own story and that of his family, Ali brings it to life and, through all of it, never loses his sense of humor. Our conversation with him is, as a consequence, as engaging and vital as his book. Join us...then buy the book.

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    So Far So Good with the West’s Ukraine Response—Now Where Could this Go Wrong? Feb 01, 2022

    Today, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergeĭ Lavrov and Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke on the phone about Russian aggression towards Ukraine. To discuss the latest developments and how the situation could evolve moving forward DSR Host David Rothkopf is joined by Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Ivo Daalder of the Chicago Council. How is the NATO response going? Is Putin looking for an exit strategy? Why is Zelensky downplaying the threat Russia poses to Ukraine? David, Kori, Rosa, and Ivo discuss all these questions and more during this insightful conversation.

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    A Technology Cold War is Raging: What are the Costs and Risks for Companies and Countries? Jan 29, 2022

    Trade barriers are raising all over the world and countries are revamping their industrial policies a technological cold war between the United States and China ramps up. Unlike the cold war with the Soviets, this time tens of thousands of American businesses operate within China and supply chains for products of everything from cell phones to microwaves run through China. To determine the extent of the policy changes associated with this cold war and what it means for American business, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Bob LaRussa of Shearman & Sterling, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Pari Esfandiari of the Global TechnoPolitics Forum for the second session of our interactive virtual event series Beltway Black Box.

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    What Does Vlad Want? (Plus: What Does Breyer's Retirement Mean?) Jan 28, 2022

    Earlier this week, the Biden administration sent a response to Russia's demands with regards to Ukraine and the Russians have balked. What happens now? What are the most likely Russian military responses? How do the Russian Oligarchs below Putin fit into all of this. DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses these and other questions with Mark Hertling, former Commanding General of United States Army Europe, and Tom Nichols of the Atlantic.


    In our members-only bonus segment, co-host Dr. Kavita Patel joins along with former federal prosecutor Harry Litman and host of the Words Matter Podcast Katie Barlow to discuss the bombshell news of Justice Breyer's retirement. What does this mean for the court? Who might succeed him? How smooth will the confirmation process be for Biden's ultimate nominee? Become a member to find out!

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    Putin Underestimated Biden and NATO: Big Mistake Jan 25, 2022

    All eyes remain on the border between Ukraine and Russia as the conventional wisdom is that Russia is more likely than not further invade Ukraine. President Biden is considering sending thousands of troops into the region while other NATO allies have already begun moving weapons and soldiers into Eastern Europe. What lessons has the Biden administration learned from Obama's experience with Crimea? Are there any off-ramps left for Putin to deescalate? Will this situation ultimately strengthen NATO and perceptions of American power abroad? Deep State Radio host David Rothkopf speaks with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Evelyn Farkas former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia about these and other issues facing the United States and our Allies. Join us.

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    White House Whisperers: What Should Biden Do in 2022? Jan 20, 2022

    It has been one year since the Biden administration came into office and was handed an economy in a tailspin, vaccines that were not available to the general public, and a democracy in dire straits. President Biden was able to get vaccines in arms and money in pockets but, given the recent legislative setbacks for Build Back Better and Voting Rights in the Senate, where does the administration go from here? DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses the future of the Biden agenda with Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institute, Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, and Simon Rosenberg of the New Democrat Network. Don't miss it.

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    Europe on the Brink Jan 18, 2022

    Russia seems poised to further invade Ukraine. The Biden administration continues diplomatic efforts to prevent the worst but will it be enough? What leverage can America use against Russia? How could sanctions impact Americans at home? Is there a way for Putin to walk away while saving face? DSR Host David Rothkopf discusses these and other pressing questions with Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University. Find out about the current state of Russian aggression and what could happen next in this vital conversation.

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    COVID at Two: Where Did We Go Wrong? Jan 13, 2022

    It has been two years since COVID-19 started hitting the headlines globally. As the new omicron variant is causing surging caseloads across America and around the world, it seems as though the end of this moment is very far away. What mistakes have we made? What should the Biden administration be doing next? How does the pandemic connect to the fight to protect democracy? What does the Supreme Court decision on the vaccine mandate mean for the fight against the virus? To answer these and other pressing questions, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett. Don't miss this timely conversation.

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    Machiavellian Narcissistic Psychopaths, Oh My! Jan 12, 2022

    Brian Klaas's research on dictators and tyrants around the globe highlighted a vital question; whether corrupt people are drawn to power or if power corrupts. His new book Corruptible Who Gets Power and How It Changes Us explores this subject and underscores the need to reform governmental systems before it is too late. DSR host David Rothkopf discusses the thesis of the book as well as the lessons it has for those working to protect American democracy with Brian in this incisive episode. Don't miss it.

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    Putin and Ukraine: Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me Jan 11, 2022

    On Monday, the United States and Russia spoke for hours in an attempt to forge a diplomatic end to Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said that the talks resulted in "no progress" while Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman made it clear that "We're not to a point where we're ready to set down texts and begin to go back and forth." To discuss the impact of these talks and what the future could look like, DSR host David Rothkopf spoke with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? What leverage does the United States have? What is driving Putin to act this way? Find out the answers to these and other questions in this prescient conversation.


    In the bonus segment for members, David Rothkopf speaks with David Sanger about his recent reporting about the sanctions that the United States may impose if Russia moves forward with a full-scale invasion.

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    January 6th as You Have Never Seen it Before Jan 06, 2022

    With time comes perspective and it is clear now that January 6th was not an isolated event. In fact, there are real dangers in perceiving it as one, dangers that could play to the interests of the coup plotters and against the long-term interests of U.S. democracy. We seek to reframe the events of that day and where they fit in the bigger picture with Yale University historian and noted author Joanne Freeman and University of Michigan Law School professor and former U.S. attorney Barb McQuade. We promise, it's not like any discussion January 6th you've heard before...and it's one you need to hear. Join us.

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    A Post-COVID Boom, a Ukraine War & the "Goulash Archipelago": Predictions for 2022 Jan 04, 2022

    As we begin a new year, the threats around the globe remain the same. Russia may invade Ukraine, Iran's nuclear ambitions may come to fruition, and democratic backsliding continues apace around the globe. To forecast what might happen this year and offer some hope about some potential foreign policy bright spots, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. Will Russia further invade Ukraine? Are we witnessing the rise of a Hungarian model for illiberal democracy? Can we avoid a cold war with China? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look ahead to 2022. Don't wait to listen to this prescient conversation.

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    Best of DSR: FILIBUSTED: GETTING TO THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE US SENATE Dec 29, 2021

    Senate “institutionalists” claim the filibuster is a traditional US Senate tool that produces compromise. Nope. It’s a tool that was almost never used during the first 200 years of US history. And when it was used it was almost always used to promote a racist agenda. And now that it is used more often, it is used to obstruct and give disproportionate power to Republicans. The first step to eliminating it is understanding it and that is why we talk to veteran Senate staffer Adam Jentleson, author of an important new book “Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate and the Crippling of American Democracy.” We discuss what has turned the U.S. Senate from “the world’s greatest deliberative body to the place legislation goes to die” and how to fix it. Don’t miss this timely conversation.

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    Best of DSR: TRUMP’S FAILED COUP ATTEMPT: HOW BAD WAS IT, HOW MUCH WORSE COULD IT HAVE BEEN, WHAT TO DO NEXT? Dec 27, 2021

    January 6, 2021 is a date few of us will ever forget. On that day, the president of the United States incited a mob to storm the U.S. Capitol. Five people died. Thousands more were terrorized. And now the nation holds its breath to see if the violence has been quelled or new chapters await. Donald Trump now seems certain to become the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice and to forever be seen as the author of a failed coup attempt against the government he had sworn to protect and defend. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of AEI, Mieke Eoyang of Third Way and David Sanger of the New York Times join us to discuss the impact of the shocking events of the sixth and where we go from here. Don’t miss it.

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    2021: The Year We Realized Just How at Risk Our Democracy Is Dec 23, 2021

    From a year that began with January 6th to the American Rescue Plan, Build Back Better, and Beyond, 2021 has been an especially vital year for American democracy, health, and economic renewal. The review the year in politics and advise the Biden administration as to what should come next, DSR Host David Rothkopf spoke with Jennifer Rubin and E.J. Dionne of the Washington Post. Is there any hope that voting rights and vote counting will be secured in the coming year? What can Democrats do to hold onto their majorities in Congress? How should the Biden administration adjust moving forward? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on politics in 2021. Don’t miss this vital conversation.

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    A Look Back at the World in 2021 Dec 20, 2021

    From January 6th to the Democracy Summit, 2021 has been an eventful year fore foreign policy and national security. To throughly review the year, adjudicate President Biden's performance, and discuss what you might have missed, DSR host David Rothkopf talked with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, and David Sanger of the New York Times. What will historians write about 2021 in 2201? How did Biden's first year in office impact the great foreign policy issues of our moment? What did we not focus on enough this year? Find out the answers to these and other questions as we look back on 2021. Don't miss this thoughtful conversation.

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    Beltway Black Box Series: Zero Trust Architecture (ZTA) Dec 17, 2021

    The first episode of the Beltway Black Box series was a timely conversation on whether zero trust thinking represents a breakthrough in cyber-security, the hidden risks associated with it and how it is likely to impact companies and the government. Participating were an exceptional group of experts including:


    • Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-Founder of CrowdStrike and Executive Chairman of the Silverado Policy Accelerator;
    • Chase Cunningham, Chief Strategy Officer at Ericom Software;
    • Juliette Kayyem, Chair of the Homeland Security and Security and Global Health Projects at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government;
    • and David Sanger, Author of The Perfect Weapon and White House and National Security correspondent at the New York Times.


    The conversation covers the genesis of ZTA adoption following cyber-attacks on critical infrastructure and the Biden Administration and congressional response to this change in security paradigm. The experts define ZTA in practical terms, frankly assess implementation hurdles in the private sector - including early adopter vs. laggard industries - and give actionable advice for private business and policy makers.

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    Do we see a very dim light at the end of the tunnel for voting rights? Dec 16, 2021

    Former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows' text messages from January 6th were released by the January 6th commission and their contents revealed members of Congress and Fox News hosts begging Meadows to get Trump to make a statement. In the courts, Judge Dabney Friedrich ruled that Jan. 6 cases invoking the law against corruptly obstructing an official proceeding has been properly invoked. This opens to the door to bringing criminal charges against Meadows and potential Donald Trump. Is this a turning point? Will the January 6th insurrectionists finally be brought to justice? Could Members of Congress who aided them be ejected from the Chamber? David Rothkopf discusses these latest developments with Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute and Allison Gill of the Daily Beans and Mueller, She Wrote.


    Last in the episode, the panel discusses the recent news that the Senate may be setting aside the Build Back Better legislation in favor of focusing on voting rights. Will Democrats eliminate the filibuster to protect voting rights? To find out the answers to these and other pressing questions join us!

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    The Democracy Summit Has Ended. Now the Real Work Begins. Dec 13, 2021

    President Biden promised to hold a Summit of Democracies in the first year of his Presidency and he delivered with a 110 country virtual summit that ended last week. Ambassador Derek Mitchell, President of the National Democratic Institute, joined David Rothkopf, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute to discuss the Summit, its results, and the work left to be done. Is the Summit going to make a difference in countries where democracy is backsliding? Does America even have standing to hold such an event given the threats to democracy we face at home? How should a summit next year be different? Find out the answer to these and other questions about the future of democracy in this don't miss episode.


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    Will the Supreme Court Survive the Stench of Politicization Dec 09, 2021

    The court is poised to overturn Roe V. Wade which will change forever not only the way abortion rights are treated across the country but the way that the American public views the Court. Are the Justices just political hacks? Has it always been like this? Will President Biden's commission lead to the structural reforms necessary to fix it? Host David Rothkopf sits down to discuss these and other legal issues with Dahlia Lithwick of Slate and Katie Barlow of the Words Matter Podcast and SCOTUSBlog. Don't miss this vital conversation.

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    A Conversation with ABC's Jon Karl About His Book "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show" Dec 08, 2021

    Jon Karl's first interview with Donald Trump was 27 years ago. Looking back, he is surprised by how little Trump has changed. It's a striking observation when seen in light of the chaos and controversy of the final year of the Trump presidency. Karl's new book on that final year sheds new, often shocking light, not just on how Team Trump oversaw the mishandling of the COVID epidemic and later the cultivation of the Big Lie and an attempted coup against the United States government. It also, underscores the risks that a second Trump term could have brought with it...and might still bring. We have an in-depth conversation with Karl about the book, its revelations and his sense of whether or not Trump will be a viable candidate in 2024. Don't miss it.

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    The Deepening Crisis Along the Russia-Ukraine Border Dec 06, 2021

    The massive Russian troop build up along the border of Ukraine might be just posturing on the part of Russia's President Vladimir Putin designed to build support for him at home. Or it might be the prelude to a dangerously destabilizing invasion. Increasingly, intelligence reports are suggesting the latter. The options for the US and the West to stop Russia or to penalize it should it act are limited and as a consequence many experts are beginning to fear the worst may come to pass. We discuss with former Obama Administration Russia and Ukraine expert Evelyn Farkas and with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Also discussed: the upcoming Democracy Summit. Don't miss it.

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    A DSR Debate: Who Will Win the Power Struggle Between Big Tech and Nation States? Dec 03, 2021

    Big tech today rivals in influence many nation states. Even the largest and most powerful countries are debating how to contain and control tech giants who have the ability to influence their politics, their economies and their standing in the world. To explore how the coming power struggle between big technology firms and nation states will play out, we present a debate between the Eurasia Group's Ian Bremer and Stephen Walt of Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government. It's a thought provoking and enlightening discussion. Don't miss this special edition of Deep State Radio.

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    The Worst Public Health Crisis in US History May Be About to Get Worse Dec 02, 2021

    We may be at another dangerous inflection point in the nearly two year long COVID pandemic. The first Omicron variant cases are appearing in the US. This new mutant version of the virus has many disturbing differences with prior iterations of COVID. President Biden has launched new steps to help contain a resurgence of the disease...but are they enough? Do we have a strategy? How will the anti-science, anti-vax, anti-mask campaign of the GOP impact this? Are new economic, social and political shocks likely to follow? We discuss these critical issues with Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist Laurie Garrett and former Obama health policy coordinator Dr. Kavita Patel. Don't miss it.

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    Master of the Game: A conversation with Martin Indyk Dec 01, 2021

    Martin Indyk, distinguished fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, former Ambassador of the United States to Israel, and former U.S. special envoy for the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations has written a new book entitled "Master of the Game: Henry Kissinger and the Art of Middle East Diplomacy." In the book, Ambassador Indyk examines how Henry Kissinger worked to ameliorate conflict in the Middle East rather than seek to impose peace. An approach which, Ambassador Indyk asserts, proved to be largely successful. David Rothkopf and Ambassador Indyk explore Kissinger's policy decisions, the impact he had on the Middle East, and grapple with his legacy in this can't miss conversation.

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    Trump's Disastrous Decision to Get Out of the Iran Deal Has Left Us with Only Bad Options Nov 29, 2021

    Once upon a time, the Israeli government urged the US to get out of the Iran deal. The American president at the time, Donald Trump, obliged. Now, Israeli officials are calling the decision the worst in the past decade of Iran policy and their intel community is whispering to the US that Iran may be getting very close to the ability to produce nuclear weapons grade uranium. Meanwhile, negotiations with Iran are being resumed in Europe with very low expectations of success. What is the Biden Administration to do? We discuss their options with David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Don't miss this timely episode.

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    A Pre-Thanksgiving Foreign Policy Smörgåsbord Nov 22, 2021

    While Americans are turning their attention towards the upcoming holiday, the news from Washington and around the world is not slowing down. Today, President Biden announced his intent to nominate Jerome Powell to serve as the chairman of the Federal Reserve for a second term, the Russian military buildup continues apace, and Chinese Tennis Star Peng Shuai's disappearance from public life following allegations against a Chinese party officials of sexual assault is causing an uproar within the tennis community. Should the Fed expand its role in regards to preventing climate change? What should America do if the Russians cross the border into Ukraine? Will the plight of Peng Shuai open the eyes of the world to the brutal realities of living in China? Hear David Rothkopf, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute discuss all of these issues and more during this can't miss conversation.

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    Bannon, Rittenhouse, and Arbery: What this week's cases tell us about justice in America today Nov 18, 2021

    Steve Bannon was indicted for contempt of Congress but currently remains free awaiting trial. Kyle Rittenhouse stood trial in front of a judge who is barely trying to conceal his pro-defendant bias and now we await the jury's decision. Also this week, alleged assailant Travis McMichael took the stand in an effort to defend his killing of Amaud Arbery. To understand this busy week, David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel do a deep dive with Harry Litman, former U.S. Attorney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, and host of the Talking Feds podcast. Is Merrick Garland being methodical or slow? Will America's proliferation of guns lead to more claims of self-defense? Is the judicial branch able to deliver justice? Find out in this can't miss conversation.

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    Is Putin Making a Terrible Miscalculation? Nov 15, 2021

    Russian troops are building up along the Ukraine border. Russia's close ally Belarus has provoked a crisis on its European borders by directing refugee flows at its neighbors. Tensions are rising. Are the Russians counting on the US and our NATO allies to be reluctant to respond strongly? Do they not realize that the Biden team is much more inclined toward a tough stance toward Russia than the last two U.S. administrations? Will they go too far? We discuss with former US Ambassador to NATO and CEO of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ivo Daalder, Brookings Institution European scholar Constanze Stelzenmuller and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Join us.


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    Is America Too Dysfunctional to Remain a Superpower? Nov 08, 2021

    Gerald Seib wrote in a recent column in the Wall Street Journal that the greatest threat to American national security is our own divisions. However, that isn't the only existential threat that the United States faces. Russia and China are testing the United States's cyber defenses and Climate Changes continues to be a central focus as COP26 moves forward in Glasgow. Can America have a strong foreign policy if there are such drastic changes between administrations? How is the Biden administration pushing back against adversaries in cyberspace? Are statements coming out of COP26 just "blah blah blah"? David Rothkopf discusses these and other issues with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, David Sanger of the New York Times, and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. You won't want to miss this illuminating conversation.

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    On Renewal: A Conversation with Anne-Marie Slaughter Nov 08, 2021

    Anne-Marie Slaughter, CEO of the New America Foundation, former head of policy planning at the State Department, has written a new book entitled "Renewal: From Crisis to Transformation in Our Lives, Work and Politics." It could not be more timely, using an experience from Slaughter's professional life to begin an investigation into the honesty required to grow not just as individuals but as a country. It touches upon themes that were dominant in Tuesday's elections and we discuss those themes and more with the author on this latest special episode of DSR. Don't miss it.

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    The Sky may not be Falling... but it Certainly is on Fire Nov 04, 2021

    The Democrats had a bad night on Tuesday as Glenn Youngkin won the governorship in Virginia and Phil Murphy was barely able to hang on in New Jersey. However, what those results mean remains very unclear. Did Congress's failure to pass the Build Back Better agenda lead to apathy amongst the party faithful? Do Democrats need better candidates? Was this just a thermostatic turn against the party in power? What should the Democrats do to correct course before the midterms? David Rothkopf and Kavita Patel work through these and other questions facing Democratic leaders in the run up to 2022 and 2024 with David Corn of Mother Jones and Jonathan Alter of MSNBC. Don't miss this important discussion.

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    The Good, the Bad and the Obscene: An Economic Policy Conversation with Jason Furman Nov 03, 2021

    While in Europe and in Congressional negotiations, President Biden has brought the global minimum corporate tax closer to reality. Congressional Democrats are debating SALT cap repeal and taxing unrealized capital gains. The Federal Reserve is tapering bond purchases. How should we see these developments? What will their consequences be? How will this impact the political climate in 2022 and beyond? David Rothkopf and Ed Luce of the Financial Times discuss these and other economic issues with Jason Furman, former Chief Economist to President Obama and Aetna Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy at Harvard University. Don't miss this vital conversation.


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    Biden in Europe: Give Credit Where it is Due...and Let's Acknowledge Where More Can Be Done Nov 01, 2021

    President Biden is on his second international trip. He started this weekend at the G20 in Rome and is now in Glasgow for the COP26. The trip has already proven productive with President Biden advancing the global corporate minimum tax and striking a new US-EU Steel and Aluminum trade deal. He smoothed over relations with France. And made it clear the US wants to lead on climate. But what more should be done? What more can be done given US domestic politics? David Rothkopf discusses the near and long-term implications of these meetings with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University Law Center, and Ben Pauker of Politico. You won't want to miss it.

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    Are We About to Build Back Better? Are We About to Get Serious About January 6th Accountability? Oct 29, 2021

    The President and Democratic leaders announced that they are on the verge of transformative legislation that will help children, elders, the environment, our infrastructure, and our growth as a country. When will being on the verge became signed legislation? And will that be accompanied on a parallel track with finally beginning to see some accountability on the January 6 coup attempt? We discuss the first set of developments with Norm Ornstein of AEI and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and the second set of issues with former US Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal and NYU Law Professor and co-editor of "Just Security" Ryan Goodman. Join us.

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    Only the Rich Can Play: A Conversation with David Wessel Oct 27, 2021

    Opportunity Zones sounded like a great idea, provide tax benefits for wealthy Americans to invest in 8,000 areas in the United States that don't receive enough investment and development and everyone wins. Unfortunately, as David Wessel describes in his new book "Only the Rich Can Play: How Washington Works in the New Gilded Age", the vast majority of the benefits of these zones went to the wealthy instead of the communities they were meant to help. This far ranging conversation hits on the roots of this policy failure as well as the latest plans from Democrats to tax billionaires and the global minimum tax on corporations championed by Janet Yellen. You won't want to miss it.

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    Managing Mega-Threats: From China to Facebook...and a Biden Foreign Policy Report Card Oct 25, 2021

    As the Biden Administration shifts the focus of U.S. foreign policy to emerging issues and how America can lead in the century ahead, certain megapowers loom as complex threats. One is China. Another is Big Tech and how, if at all, its destabilizing and dangerous tendencies can be managed. Ed Luce of the Financial Times and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute discuss. And then we move on to an evaluation of Biden Administration foreign policy so far, the impact of Secretary Blinken's efforts to return diplomacy to centrality in our international relations and what can be done in the next couple years to do better. Join us.

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    America is Just Going to Have to Learn to Accept Good News Oct 22, 2021

    The Biden Administration, it seems, is on the verge of winning approval for its Build Back Better Package. If the deal is roughly as reported it will be between $1.5 and 2 trillion in fully paid for investments in America. Which means that in this year alone the Biden Administration will have overseen investments of $5 Trillion in the economy, the creation of 5 million jobs (more than the last three GOP administrations added up), distribution fo 200 million plus vaccines, significant economic growth, and much more. You wouldn't know it from reading the press or following social media, but understanding just how big and beneficial all this is may be key to Democratic victories in 2022 which will be essential to preserving democracy in the U.S. We discuss how we got here and how to frame these achievements going forward with California Representative Ro Khanna, the Washington Post's Greg Sargent and Dr. Kavita Patel, formerly of the Obama White House. Don't miss this crucial conversation.

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    Spy World Frenemies Oct 21, 2021

    Mossad’s got a killer new boss and the US is buying China-made drones. Jeff Stein and Jeanne Meserve drill down on both.

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    There is Nothing for You Here: A Conversation with Fiona Hill Oct 20, 2021

    Fiona Hill may have risen to public prominence during Donald Trump's first impeachment but there is much more to her story than just her time in the White House. In her new book "There is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century", she describes her journey from a coal-mining town in Northern England to studying in Moscow and ultimately to serving three different Presidents. Hill argues that expanding opportunity rather than clinging to the past is the only way to save democracy in America and elsewhere and that Putin and Trump are more alike than you may think. We discuss this fascinating new book with Fiona in a can't miss conversation. Join us.

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    How Many Times Over Must We Be Able to Destroy the World to Prove We are Not Wimps? Oct 18, 2021

    America's nuclear weapons submarine fleet has the capability to produce something like 40,000 Hiroshimas. But it is just one leg in our nuclear forces. What possible reason, asks our guest Joe Cirincione of the Quincy Institute, for possessing that kind of destructive force? For giving the president sole authority to launch a first strike? We discuss these and other nuclear modernization choices facing the Biden Administration with Joe as well regulars David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. We also take time to reflect on the legacy of the late General Colin Powell. Join us.

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    How Many Commissions, Presidents and Senators Does It Take to Change a Supreme Court? Oct 14, 2021

    The first report from the commission looking at ways to change the Supreme Court is out and its conclusions are...well, they seem to be thoughtful but unlikely to produce change in the near future. For folks concerned about the politicization of the court, that's a problem. Where do we go from here? We discuss with the Media Editor of SCOTUSblog & host of the "Words Matter" podcast, attorney and journalist, Katie Barlow and our co-hosts Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and David Rothkopf. Join us for an important discussion about these and other recent developments in our not-terribly-well-functioning justice system.

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    The Peanut Butter Spies, CIA’s China Initiative & Secret Service Burnout Oct 14, 2021

    Washington Post intelligence reporter Shane Harris discusses odd happenings in the spook world with Jeff Stein, and former Secret Service Special Agent Jonathan Wackrow analyses a new report on tanking morale in the uniformed division with Jeanne Meserve.

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    Everything is Peachy Keen Oct 08, 2021

    President Biden is on the verge of a transformational victory... or is he. We discuss the state of the negotiations around his Build Back Better agenda and how Democrats can get this legislation on the President's desk with political commentator Karen Finney and Kavita Patel, former senior Obama White House official. This is a pivotal time and these negotiations will impact the lives of Americans for years to come. Don't miss this conversation.

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    For Your Eyes Only Oct 07, 2021

    Legendary ‘Condor’ author James Grady discusses James Bond’s evolving cinematic villains with Jeff Stein, and Jeanne Meserve digs into the massive hack of a far-right server with extremist expert Heidi Beirich.

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    Voter, Heal Thyself: A Conversation with Tom Nichols Oct 06, 2021

    Tom Nichols has become an essential voice for audiences trying to make sense of current trends in American politics. His book "The Death of Expertise" was a landmark volume offering key insights into why our society was faltering. His latest, "Our Own Worst Enemy" continues the journey. For those hoping for a magical solution, a white knight, a top down solution for American political dysfunction, this book will be frustrating but eye-opening. Nichols believes, rightly in our view, that the answer starts with each of us, with a civic minded populace remaking our political culture from the ground up. We discuss this new book with Tom in a conversation you won't want to miss. Join us.

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    Biden's Multi-Tiered China Policy is a Far Cry from Trump's Oct 04, 2021

    Trump China policy architect Peter Navarro was described by one of his colleagues as a "fucking sociopath." Trump China policy included looking the other way from human rights abuses, seeking trademarks for Ivanka's businesses and extreme Tweets. Biden's is evolving as something very very different--mature, multilayered and reflecting the complexity of the evolving relationship between the world's two major powers. We discuss the latest developments with David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. We also discuss whether Sioux Falls, South Dakota exists or not and why that matters. Don't miss the latest Deep State Radio, the official podcast of the Deep State.

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    When Did Old People Being Able to Hear or Chew Their Food Become Marxism? Oct 01, 2021

    The Washington debate over whether and how much to invest in our infrastructure and our people has reached a telling and pivotal moment. We discuss the moment and where it is likely to lead with EJ Dionne of the Washington Post, Norm Ornstein of AEI and Dr. Kavita Patel, former of the Obama White House. Much hangs in the balance here and the real story is not coming out in the media or, often, out of the mouths of political leaders. We try to shed some light on what is really happening. Don't miss it.

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    Head Case Sep 30, 2021

    From Vietnam to Vienna, reported cases of Havana Syndrome are on the rise. Diplomats, intelligence officials and their families are experiencing debilitating symptoms including headaches, dizziness, nausea and memory loss. Dr. James Giordano, Professor of Neurology and Biochemistry at Georgetown University Medical Center, has been investigating Havana Syndrome since the first cases were reported and discusses what we know, and what we still need to learn, with Jeanne Meserve.


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    Europe and the Atlantic Alliance After Merkel: What Next? Sep 27, 2021

    Most Americans don't give much thought to German politics--and that's a good thing given that when we once did it was because those politics were a disaster. But with the departure of Germany's chancellor of the past 16 years, Angela Merkel, it is time we did. Germany is not only a vital ally but thanks in large part to Merkel's leadership, it is a global leader of significance. What comes next in our relationship--especially as the US continues to prioritize its pivot to Asia. We discuss with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of AEI and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center. Join us.

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    Is Now a Time for Hope or Preparing for the Worst with the Pandemic? Sep 23, 2021

    Time after time, COVID has delivered worst case scenarios. So why, now, would we rely on our hope that those scenarios--new variants, failures of leadership, new outbreaks--will not occur? Will the holidays bring people back together? Or will they see a worsening situation? What should our leaders be doing that they're not? What should we be doing to take care of ourselves? We talk with Pulitzer Prize-winning science journalist Laurie Garrett and former senior Obama WH official and practicing physician Dr. Kavita Patel. Join us for a must listen special edition of Deep State Radio.

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    Accidents Will Happen Sep 23, 2021

    Chinese espionage expert Matthew Brazil and Jeff Stein break down the controversy about Joint Chiefs Chairman Mark Milley’s backchannel contact with his Chinese counterpart, and Jeanne Meserve and transnational crime expert Tom Sanderson discuss the emergence of Talibani Afghanistan as a terrorist state.

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    "8 Year-Old Assholes Cannot be Shamed": The Big National Security Scandal Nobody is Talking About Sep 20, 2021

    After 9/11, investigators concluded one of the factors that put America at risk was that only 57 percent of nominees for top national security positions had been confirmed by the Congress and were in place. Today, that number is just over 26 percent. Random holds on nominees for indefensibly political reasons are putting this country at risk. The two worst offenders? Senators Cruz and Hawley. We discuss this with expert Loren deJonge Schulman, VP for Research at the Partnership for Public Service as well as AEI's Kori Schake, the FT's Ed Luce and Georgetown Law's Rosa Brooks. We also discuss Kori's and Rosa's prominent opeds on the controversy surrounding General Mark Milley. Plus a little bit about French submarines. Don't miss it.

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    Sometimes the unthinkable happens: A conversation with Rebecca Frankel Sep 17, 2021

    “Into the Forest” by Rebecca Frankel is more than just one of the best books of the year, it is a revealing journey into what makes us human…the good, the bad, the noble and the horrific. It reads like a great novel and contains much of the drama and resonance you would expect from such a work but also is infused with the detail that comes of great journalism. We speak with the author, former Executive Editor of Foreign Policy, Rebecca Frankel, author of the New York Times best-seller “War Dogs” about her books and what it means in the context of our own times. Join us.

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    When the President is a Madman How Patriotism and Service are Redefined Sep 16, 2021

    In the news recently, reports that General Mark Milley sought to counsel Chinese leaders in way that might avoid accidental conflict have caused controversy. Was Milley doing his duty? Or was he undermining his commander-in-chief? Similarly, it is reported that Vice President Mike Pence sought counsel from former Vice President Dan Quayle about whether he could or should follow through on President Trump's request that he Pence invalidate 2020 election results. Quayle stood up for principle and the law as Pence wavered. What does this tell us about the last administration? About the responsibility of public officials when confronted with an unfit president. We discuss with former Trump White House official Olivia Troye, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations. It's an important, timely and difficult conversation. Don't miss it.

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    Girding for New and Old Threats Sep 16, 2021

    Extremism expert Kathleen Belew talks with Jeanne Meserve about new factors raising the potential for violence at Sept.18 Capitol protests, while former senior CIA ops official Dan Hoffman tells Jeff Stein that the Kabul collapse has given Al Qaeda and ISIS new life.

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    How Do You Feel About the Urge to Surge? Sep 13, 2021

    While Congress holds hearings questioning the Secretary of State about the conduct of America's exit from Afghanistan, it probably should also turn its attention to drawing the lessons of the 20 years of warfare, sacrifice and frustration that proceeded that exit. What might those lessons be? And what might come next for the Biden foreign policy team? We discuss with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University School of Law and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Join us (if only to hear Kori declare what Kori would do if she had a nuclear weapon).

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    The Talibanization of the Supreme Court Sep 10, 2021

    The midnight decision of the Supreme Court that basically allowed a technicality to sweep aside the constitutional right to an abortion that has been a fact of American life for half a century bodes very ill for the future of that institution and for the country. When Justice Brett Kavanaugh is the philosophical center of the court, you know we have entered a dark chapter in our history. The majority represent not conservative but religious extremist views and this most recent decision will likely be followed by much worse. We discuss with Slate senior legal editor Dahlia Lithwick, former US attorney Barb McQuade and former senior Obama White House official Dr. Kavita Patel. Join us.


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    The Man Who Loved Spying Sep 09, 2021

    In a riveting new memoir, former senior CIA officer Doug London celebrates a career in espionage, but in a lengthy conversation with host Jeff Stein, he offer candid, even brutal observations on how 20 years of counterterrorism warped the agency’s priorities and managers.

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    Here, Right Matters...or Does It?: A Conversation with Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman Sep 08, 2021

    Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman knew when he went into the Trump White House to work on the National Security Council that he may be asked to do things that were "awful but lawful." As a serving army officer in those cases he would be obligated to follow the orders of the Commander-in-Chief. But he also knew there was a line that he would not cross. He would not follow an unlawful order, he would not help even the president break the law. As a result of his conscience--which drew directly on his military experience and prior to that on the values inculcated in him by his family--the course of history was altered. Imagine what might have happened had Donald Trump gotten the government of Ukraine to help him smear candidate Joe Biden? Where would we be now? We discuss Vindman's story--told in his excellent new book, "Here, Right Matters"--with him in this special edition of the podcast. It's a compelling, candid conversation. Don't miss it.

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    America's 2000 Yard Stare: Coping With Crises Closing in on All Sides Sep 02, 2021

    COVID. Wildfires in the west. Hurricanes in the Gulf and storms in the East. A women's right to choose under siege. A corrupted justice system. Economic inequality. Racial division. Democracy in the ICU. Any one of these crises would be a challenge for a generation. We face them all at once. The result is something like "the 2000 yard stare," the sign of a battle worn soldier unable to fight. But we must fight. The question is how. We discuss all this on a vitally important special edition of the podcast with guests Norm Ornstein of AEI, best-selling author and therapist Mary L. Trump, co-host former Obama White House senior official Dr. Kavita Patel and co-host David Rothkopf. Join us. It's time to roll up our sleeves and get to work.

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    Kabul’s loss and a new 9/11 terror warning Sep 02, 2021

    Author Craig Whitlock talks with Jeff Stein about US intelligence’s place in 20 years of lies and deception in Afghanistan, and Jeanne Meserve interviews Coast Guard Commandant Karl Schultz about a terror alert for the 9/11 anniversary.

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    I Alone Can Fix It: A Conversation with Carol Leonnig Sep 01, 2021

    A lot of books have been written about Donald Trump and the Trump years president. Few have evoked the almost surreal atmosphere of those years as well as "I Alone Can Fix It," the history of the last year of the administration from Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker. We sit down with Carol Leonnig to discuss the book and what it has led her to conclude about the former president, those around him, their party and the state of American politics.

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    As We Approach the Afghanistan Deadline: Looking Back and Looking Ahead Aug 30, 2021

    It has been difficult to have a serious, balanced conversation about what the U.S. and this administration has done right in managing the exit from Afghanistan and what we have done wrong. That is a problem that has plagued the U.S. for the entire 20 year period we have conducted the war and, in fact, it may be one of the reasons the outcome to that conflict has been so unsatisfactory. Nonetheless, on this episode we try to cover a range of views in a thoughtful and respectful way. Our guests are Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations, Stephen Wertheim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School. Please join us.

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    Why Did Trump Turn Away Our Afghan Allies? Aug 27, 2021

    The reason the crowds thronging the outskirts of the airport in Kabul were so large was in part due to a concerted effort--against the advice of many in his administration--by former President Trump and his aide Stephen Miller to block our Afghan allies (like allies in Iraq) from entering the United States. They shut down relevant visa programs. They created obstacle after obstacle. And they did so after being warned that such actions would put interpreters and others who assisted us at risk. That is the shocking fact revealed by former Trump official Olivia Troye in a special episode of Deep State Radio. Troye is joined in this episode by former top Obama White House official Dr. Kavita Patel and by Ryan Goodman of Just Security and NYU Law School. Don't miss it.

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    The Human Factor Aug 26, 2021

    Top former CIA operations official William Murray talks with Jeanne Meserve about the loss of the agency's spy base in Kabul, while Africa expert Jacob Zenn assesses the impact of the Taliban-Al Qaeda triumph on militants across the continent, with Jeff Stein.

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    Rothkopf vs. the Washington Hivemind (a Reasonable Debate) Aug 23, 2021

    An episode in which we bring to life the debate that even the best of friends can have over the conduct of recent events in Afghanistan, their likely origins, and their likely consequences. Why are so many people so wrong about this when host David Rothkopf is so right? Where does Rothkopf get his courage? And why do the producers let Rothkopf write these podcast summaries when either Ed Luce or Rosa Brooks, who are really the stars of the episode, would have described it so much better and so differently. Listen in and see.


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    Implications for the Kabul Catastrophe Aug 19, 2021

    Counterterrorism expert and Georgetown University Professor, Bruce Hoffman explains the drastic implications of the Taliban triumph, and journalist Toby Harnden talks about his new book on the first CIA team to enter Afghanistan.

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    Ali Soufan on the Taliban’s Global Plans Aug 18, 2021

    The celebrated former FBI special agent and counterterrorism specialist says the Taliban aspire to undermining the West’s “Roman Empire.”

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    Afghanistan Special Report: Where Do We Go from Here and What Lessons Can We Draw? Aug 16, 2021

    The heart-rending scenes from Kabul Airport are now seared into our collective consciousness. The 20 year war in Afghanistan has clearly come to a disastrous end. While that may have been inevitable, the current chaos has nonetheless come as a shock. What should the administration do now? How to help those they can and manage the situation going forward? And what lessons can we draw after a two-decade long, misguided intervention in Afghanistan that will certainly go down as one of the great foreign policy failures in U.S. history? We discuss with Harvard's Stephen Walt, AEI's Kori Schake and Georgetown University's Rosa Brooks. Don't miss this special episode.

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    America in a Moment of Grave Peril: A Conversation with Heather Cox Richardson Aug 13, 2021

    We are at a watershed in our history. Some days it feels like justice and accountability are gaining ground and the outcome of this turning point may be a good one. On other days, the threats to our democracy grow and the very real possibility of a turn to authoritarianism in the US looms. There are echoes of this moment throughout our history. We turn to Boston College history professor and noted commentator Heather Cox Richardson to discuss recent developments and long-term historical perspectives. Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and Just Security and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and formerly of the Obama White House lead the questioning and offer key comments of their own. Don't miss it.

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    SPYING ON MISSILES Aug 12, 2021

    Jeanne Meserve talks with Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists, about how the world learned of China’s startling new ICBM silos, and Jeff Stein talks with Asia expert Robert Manning about the challenges of spying on North Korea.

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    Public Health is Far More Than Just COVID: A Conversation with Dr. Leana Wen Aug 11, 2021

    The vast majority of gains in life expectancy during the past century have been due not to miracle cures but to public health measures like sanitation. The key to their success was empowering and trusting our public health officials. We live in a time when an organized minority is this country is seeking to discredit them and when much of our public health mission--like care for addiction or psychosis--is left to the police and other agencies ill suited to the care these problems require. Dr. Leana Wen is a noted physician, commentator and former Public Health Commissioner of Baltimore. She has written an important new book on the role of public health in our society based on her own, inspiring life journey. We discuss that book, "Lifelines: A Doctor's Journey in the Fight for Public Health", with her in this special episode of the podcast. Join us.

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    The World is on Fire. Will We Have to Wait for a New Generation to Address the Crisis? Aug 10, 2021

    The UN has put out a climate report that is devastating in its conclusions. They call it a "code red for humanity." Inaction, greed and ignorance have already irreparably damaged the planet. What do we do now? Are our leaders even capable of coping with the problem? The same question can be asked regarding their ability to address next generation issues associated with new technologies--from cyber to AI. What must change before we are capable of making informed decisions to address 21st Century problems? We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss it.


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    There's a Mountain of Evidence Against Trump & His Coup Coconspirators. But Will DoJ Do Anything About It? Aug 06, 2021

    Slowly, thanks to Congressional information requests and court cases, hard evidence is emerging about the way the former president and those close to him worked to steal the last election. You would think that would lead to grand juries being empaneled, indictments and convictions. But so far, nothing of the kind seems imminent from the Department of Justice and while Congress has on-going investigations real concrete progress seems distant. Where does that leave us? We discuss with Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. It's a pretty tough discussion to hear...but you need to hear it.

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    Spies vs. Spies Aug 05, 2021

    An expert on Congressional probes tells Jeff Stein why investigators on the House Select Committee on Jan. 5 have to develop confidential sources deep inside DHS, DoD and the FBI. And retired Marine Corps Gen. Greg Newbold tells Jeanne Meserve that China's control of precious metals is a threat to US intelligence.

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    We're Clueless Until We Overreact: America's Foreign Policy History in a Nutshell Aug 02, 2021

    Face it, since George Washington, for all the glamor and intrigue the rest of the world may hold, Americans would pretty much like to be left out of it. Over the course of our history, that impulse has been magnified by the fact that often when we do find ourselves forced to be involved, we delay until we tend to overreact. Right now, America's interest in the rest of the world seems to be at a momentary low as we deal with pressing domestic issues. Which raises the question: Where will we overreact next? (See: China, People's Republic of) A lively and thought provoking conversation with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, David Sanger of the New York Times and host, David Rothkopf.

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    What Next for the 1/6 Commission...and for the Resurgent COVID Epidemic Jul 30, 2021

    On this special super-sized (hour-long) edition of Deep State Radio we review the auspicious launch of the January 6th Commission with former US Attorney Barb McQuade and NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman and then we have a discussion of what can be done about the stunning and disturbing resurgence of COVID across the US with Dr. Kavita Patel. What do the insurrection, the defense of domestic terrorists behind it and the rejection of science, vaccines and masks that have fueled this new wave of the pandemic have in common? Tune in to find out. (Already know? Well, tune in to find out how pissed off it makes us. Plus: New discounts for the vaccinated!) All on Deep State Radio, the first podcast in America with a vaccine mandate! If you're not vaccinated...don't listen!


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    Going Deep Jul 29, 2021

    The FBI is still coming up short on dealing with white violent extremists, former undercover special agent Mike German tells Jeff Stein. And Jeanne Meserve delves into a little known DIA medical intelligence unit.


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    The End of an Era in US Foreign Policy: Is that a Good Thing? Jul 26, 2021

    With the decision by the Biden Administration to pull the last troops out of Afghanistan and the last combat troops out of Iraq, it marks the end to two decades of U.S. foreign policy in which the War on Terrorism and instability in the Middle East dominated policymakers attentions. Biden seeks to turn the page to 21st Century priorities like China, competitiveness, fixing what is broken at home and next generation threats like cyber. It seems reasonable not to mention long overdue. David Sanger of the New York Times, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and Ed Luce of the Financial Times debate whether it is the right move and whether it is being done in the right way. Don't miss this lively and timely discussion.

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    Is the Vaccinated vs. the Unvaccinated the Next Civil War? Jul 23, 2021

    The science shows that GOP-led resistance to the vaccine is fueling a resurgence of COVID in the US. Anger against the unvaccinated is understandably growing as their ignorance and politics are putting the country at risk again. Where will this lead? What will this new wave of COVID look and feel like? What should we do about it? How does our international response figure in? We discuss these essential and urgent issues with Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Laurie Garrett, former Obama health care advisor Dr. Kavita Patel and Ryan Goodman of "Just Security." Don't miss this episode.

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    Families of Spies Jul 22, 2021

    A father & daughter have a monster TikTok hit talkIng about his intelligence career. Former CIA analyst Frank Snepp describes the heartbreak of Saigon and the agony of Kabul. And “Spooked” author Barry Meier addresses the NSO-Pegasus surveillance scandal.

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    Another Lost Decade for Latin America? Jul 19, 2021

    It is a paradox of international relations that U.S. neighbors in the Western Hemisphere have two primary complaints about U.S.

    relations with the region. The first is that the U.S. does not pay enough attention to our neighbors. The second, which is often

    the first, is that the U.S. pays too much attention to our neighbors. Once again, Latin America is reeling from a crisis, this one fueled by the

    COVID pandemic and some really bad leadership in key countries. And in smaller countries like Haiti and Cuba other kinds of unrest is

    unfolding. What can and should the US do? What about the rest of the hemisphere? And what will the region's number one trading and investment partner,

    China, do going forward? We discuss with Council on Foreign Relations Latin America expert Shannon O'Neil and Ed Luce of the

    Financial Times. Don't miss this episode.

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    Battling on All Fronts Jul 15, 2021

    Former CIA counterintelligence chief James Olson tells Jeff Stein the CIA and FBI need to “resuscitate” double agent ops to penetrate enemy spy services, and Jeanne Meserve talks with former senior U.S. cybercrime official Chris Painter about the rash of ransomware attacks by REvil and other Russia-based malefactors.

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    "Dying is Easy, Democracy is Hard" Jul 13, 2021

    It is said that an old actor on his deathbed once said, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Whether that actually happened or not, the foreign policy equivalent may be "Invading a country is easy. Turning it into a democracy is hard." The US discovers this on the regular...and each time it is as though it had never happened before. We discuss with regard to Afghanistan...and many other instances. And if modern day Americans did not have enough evidence all around us to remind us of how tough it it is to establish and maintain a democracy, we suggest that perhaps you could have asked John Hanson, first president of the United States. Join Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School and host, David Rothkopf, for this lively and entertaining discussion.

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    What Grade Does the Country Get on Holding the Trumpists Accountable for the January 6th Coup Attempt? Jul 09, 2021

    Congressman Eric Swalwell has been one of the leading voices in the US Congress demanding that the former president and those around him be held accountable for their violations of the Constitution and their oaths of office. Swalwell's book "Endgame: Inside the Impeachments of Donald J. Trump" was among the first insider looks at the impeachment process and the paperback edition, out now, has an extensive update to look at the January 6th attack and the subsequent second impeachment of the 45th president. We discuss the book and his view of where the efforts to bring Trump and those around him to justice stand. Don't miss it.

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    Nightmare Scenario: A Stark Behind the Scenes Look at How Trump Mishandled the Pandemic Jul 09, 2021

    Estimates now say 900,000 Americans died as a consequence of the COVID pandemic. But estimates suggest 40-90 percent of those deaths could have been avoided if the Trump Administration acted more swiftly, more effectively or more in concert with the advice of scientists. A new book dives deep into what happened behind the scenes in the administration and on this episode, we talk with one of the authors, Yasmeen Abutaleb. Join Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School, Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and host David Rothkopf for a discussion of this new best-seller, "Nightmare Scenario--Inside the Trump Administration's Response to the Pandemic that Changed History."

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    Enemies Within and Without Jul 08, 2021

    Former senior CIA officer Doug London talks with Jeff Stein about the present and future intelligence picture in chaotic Afghanistan. And Jeanne Meserve has a fascinating talk with former top DHS intel official and retired Brigadier General Francis X. Taylor about dealing with violent extremists in the military ranks.

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    Are We on the Road to Political Apartheid in the US Jul 01, 2021

    The most recent Supreme Court decisions remind us that on our current path voter suppression and more power be given to the richest members of our society are only going to get worse. The current majority on the court exists because presidents elected by a minority of voters nominated candidates who won election thanks to Senators representing a minority of Americans. We discuss where we are headed with David Corn of Mother Jones, Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. In addition we consider the implications of the indictment of the Trump Organization and its CFO and of the launching of the committee to investigate the 1/6 insurrection for our political future. Don't miss this timely episode.

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    Spies that Bind Jul 01, 2021

    Nicholas Eftimiades, a top expert on Chinese espionage, tells Jeff Stein he doubts reports that Beijing’s top counterspy defected to the US—but that Beijing has “many” moles in U.S/ intelligence. And Jeanne Meserve talks with top former FBI national security official Jay Tabb about the challenges of dealing with home-grown American terrorists.

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    A Rhyme of History Jun 30, 2021

    The U.S. was questioning its ability to lead the world. The structures of the global economy seemed outdated. There were deep tensions between those who sought to put America first and those who recognized the future of US growth lay in the global economy. It sounds a lot like today. But it was 1971. In a brilliant new book, former Yale School of Management Dean and top U.S. government official Jeffrey E. Garten describes how over one weekend the leaders of the Nixon Administration got together and set a new course for the U.S. and the world economy. The resonances with today are unmistakable and the lessons are essential. We discuss with former U.S. Under Secretary of Commerce Robert Hormats, Financial Times columnist Rana Foroohar and Garten. Don't miss this special episode of the podcast.

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    Is the Secret Objective of US Foreign Policy to be Just Tough Enough Not to Have to Do Anything? Jun 28, 2021

    There are many rumblings of a new Cold War brewing between the US and China. But the governments in Washington and Beijing both seem to be most focused on domestic political issues and maintaining power. Which might suggest that much of the ratcheting up of toughness between them is performative. Especially as a large global coalition is emerging that holds common views toward how China must behave to engage on the world stage in the leadership role it seeks. David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center discuss. Join us.


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    On the Cusp of Autocracy Jun 25, 2021

    The threats to democracy in the US are building. The response is to call for new laws that first will require changes in the rules of the Senate. If we can get those changes, we should. But what if we can't? What is plan B? How do we avoid locking in changes to our system from which there is no recovery? Will holding Trump and Trumpists accountable for their abuses be any part of that. We discuss with democracy expert Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute, Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and formerly of the Obama White House and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." It's a sobering but essential listen.

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    Cold War Capers Jun 24, 2021

    Yes, there’s a real James Bond, and Jeanne Meserve chatted him up on the curses and blessings of having such a legendary moniker. And historian Audra Wolfe talks with Jeff Stein about the role of American scientists in the Cold War and beyond.

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    Deep State Exclusive: The Very First Podcast of 2025! Jun 21, 2021

    To celebrate the fourth anniversary of Deep State Radio (which is to say something like 750 podcasts and a growing audience throughout), we have convened our inner circle of experts, our regular Deep State family, for a look four years from now. As you might expect, we have optimism, pessimism, realism, idealism, and a host of other flavors of outlook from which you can choose. It is the right way to celebrate the past four years and--especially--our deep gratitude to each and every Deep State nerd out there who has helped make the podcast and all of its spin-offs such a success. Don't miss it. And...thank you everybody! We look forward to the next four years!

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    Nearly Six Months After an Attempted Coup, We Have More Questions than Answers, More Evasion than Accountability Jun 17, 2021

    Listening to FBI Director Christopher Wray before the Congress this week and last, his answers were long and yet achieved a kind of studied vacuousness. There was no there there. No substantive. No sense of responsibility for clear intelligence failures. No sense that we were getting to the root causes of the event. No sense that those really responsible for it will be brought to justice. And for all the reasons there was no sense that we will be able to avoid other such events in the future. Former FBI agent Frank Figliuzzi believes we won't. Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and his co-host David Rothkopf speak to Figliuzzi and former US attorney Barb McQuade about the questions Wray and others need to be asked...and answer. Join us for a substantive and disturbing conversation.

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    Perhaps It's Not Quite Time to Give Up on Our System of Justice Jun 17, 2021

    The lack of accountability for Donald Trump and his cronies for the January 6th insurrection, for the serial obstruction of justice identified by the Mueller investigation, for his alleged fraud at the helm of the Trump Organization, for his efforts to intimidate state election officials in the wake of the 2020 election, for his serial sexual abuse cases...and for so much more...is deeply frustrating. Sometimes it feels as though he has gamed the system and will never be brought to justice. Allison Gill, host of the Daily Beans podcast, is a student of these cases and she counsels patience. We discuss what's next in these cases and on another front where she has been a courageous leader, sexual abuse in the military, with AG on this special edition of Deep State Radio. Don't miss it.

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    ‘Everybody knows somebody’ Jun 17, 2021

    Terrorism expert Gina Ligon tells Jeanne Meserve that the Biden administration’s initiative on domestic extremism represents a ‘sea change’ in policy but doesn’t address the root causes of populist violence. Israeli counterterrorism dramas do, an American ex-pat writer in Jerusalem tells Jeff Stein, because so many involved have served in spy units.

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    A Far Cry from Helsinki: Biden and Putin to Set "Guardrails" and Manage Expectations Jun 15, 2021

    When Vladimir Putin sits down with Joe Biden, both men will be well familiar with each other and Putin will have no illusions that he can toy with the new American president like he could with the last one. Joe Biden has been working at a high level in US foreign policy since 1973 (when Leonid Brezhnev was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.) As Biden's Europe trip has demonstrated this past week, he is a savvy foreign policy professional who knows how to pull the levers of diplomacy behind the scenes. If not every speech is a barn burner, the results so far outstrip those of all his recent predecessors in their first years in office. We discuss the Putin meeting with David Sanger of the New York Times, who is traveling with the president, and Evelyn Farkas, former senior Obama Administration official and Russia specialist.

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    Make the Familiar Strange and the Strange Familiar Jun 14, 2021

    Financial Times Editor-at-Large Gillian Tett has distinguished herself as a brilliant observer of markets and politics. That is in part due to the training she got while earning her PhD in anthropology. It is that experience and method that she brings to her latest book, the lucid, eye-opening and compelling "Anthro Vision: A New Way to See in Business and Life." It's insights and lessons are exceptionally powerful tools for leaders in every sector facing a world struggling to recover and coping with rapid change. Edward Luce, also of the Financial Times, and host David Rothkopf, discuss the book and how it applies to the lives of our listeners. You won't want to miss this conversation.

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    Meeting of the Minds Jun 11, 2021

    Ahead of presidents Putin and Biden meeting in Geneva, a psychiatrist puts the leader of Russia on the couch. Dr. Kenneth Dekleva, who served in the US embassy in Moscow, joins co-host Jeanne Meserve for a special edition of SpyTalk.

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    Is There a Future for the Democratic Party? Jun 11, 2021

    With Republicans variously arguing that vaccines make people magnetic and that the Forest Service should be able to reroute the Moon's orbit, you'd think the party would be headed for a bad end. Add in the corruption and the traitors and the insurrections and it is baffling there still is a GOP. Yet, that said, many observers are predicting the GOP will win the House and Senate in next year's midterm elections. If that happens, you can expect columns the morning after asking whether the party that stood up for truth and the rule of law has a future. We discuss this and what the Dems should do about it with James Hohmann of the Washington Post, Dr, Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and the Obama White House and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." Don't miss this. Although you may want an adult beverage at hand while you listen.

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    That Was Then Jun 09, 2021

    Chinese espionage poses a mortal threat to the US, former counterintelligence boss Bill Evanina tells Jeanne Meserve. And author Kai Bird talks with Jeff Stein about a clandestine plot with Iran by Reagan campaign manager and future CIA Director Bill Casey to deny Jimmy Carter re-election.

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    The New Map: A Conversation with Daniel Yergin Jun 08, 2021

    Pultizer Prize-winner Daniel Yergin is widely regarded as the world's foremost analyst and commentator on energy issues. His books have chronicled every aspect of how modern energy markets have evolved and their impact on geopolitics and daily life. His latest book, "The New Map: Energy, Climate and the Clash of Nations," describes how emerging energy technologies and climate related issues are impacting power and the potential for conflict, growth and power shifts worldwide. We discuss the book and how it ties to today's headlines with Yergin on this special episode. Don't miss it.

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    Let's Make Diplomacy Boring Again Jun 07, 2021

    Joe Biden is off to Europe. He will meet with Allies and with Vladimir Putin. Under Trump, that was a formula for headlines and disaster. Under all presidents such trips produce fraught analyses seeking to identify presidential doctrines and historic deliverables. But most of diplomacy is blocking and tackling. And much of it best done out of sight of the public. We discuss the upcoming trip with Atlantic columnist Tom Nichols, AEI's Kori Schake and Georgetown Law's Rosa Brooks and we come to the conclusion that "Biden Returns Home After Uneventful Trip" might be the best outcome of all. We also discuss what might be the tougher upcoming diplomatic trip in the next few days, that of Kamala Harris to Mexico and Central America. Don't miss it.

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    Cyber Counterpunch Jun 04, 2021

    On this special edition of SpyTalk, co-host Jeanne Meserve speaks with William Evanina, former Director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center about the recent spate of ransomware attacks. Evanina says President Biden should threaten to pull out of the upcoming summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and that the US should demonstrate it is willing and able to shut down Russian infrastructure.

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    This is a Song About Disappointment Jun 03, 2021

    The Democrats keep bending over backwards to "do what's right" or "preserve bipartisanship." Republicans meanwhile have made it clear they have no interest in doing what's right or bipartisanship. Is the Democratic strategy a way to get to enough votes to reform the filibuster and thereby thwart GOP efforts to gut democracy? Or is it the old story of Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football. The weeks ahead will reveal the truth. In the eyes of Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne, a moment of truth lies ahead. Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and the Obama White House join the discussion. Don't miss it.

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    The Gathering Storms Jun 02, 2021

    Former top FBI domestic extremist specialist Tom O’Connor tells co-host Jeanne Meserve in a startling interview that he’s worried about another Timothy McVeigh plotting something big. And Jeff Stein talks with veteran intelligence reporter Bill Arkin about a vast Pentagon secret army combatting our enemies that no one’s heard about.

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    Where's Your Sense of Urgency? It Won't Be 2024 When Our Democracy is Undone, it'll be 2021. May 27, 2021

    Many are rightly focused on the importance of 2024's presidential elections and the midterms in 2022. But if we do not stop GOP efforts at voter suppression this year...which means ending the filibuster this year...and we don't create accountability for Trump Administration abuses, we will set in motion inevitable defeats not just for Democrats but for American democracy in the years ahead. We discuss with the American Enterprise Institute's Norm Ornstein, Brookings scholar Dr. Kavita Patel and co-editor of Just Security and Professor at NYU Law School Ryan Goodman. Don't miss it.

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    Spies in the Soup May 26, 2021

    Jean Meserve talks with former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Juliette Kayyem about the mess in DHS’ intelligence shop, and Jeff Stein interviews Barry Meier about his new book, “Spooked: The Trump Dossier, Black Cube, and the Rise of Private Spies.”

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    Special Episode: The CFR's Richard Haass on the State of the World May 25, 2021

    Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, is one of the world's leading thinkers on international affairs. His most recent book, "The World: A Brief Introduction" is a one volume crash course into how we got to where we are and where we go from here. It is now out in paperback and to mark that event, we sat down with Richad to discuss the book, America's changing role in the world, the impact of COVID, our very different rivalries with China and Russia and much much more. Ed Luce of the Financial Times joins in the conversation for a pod episode you won't want to miss.

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    America's Message to the Middle East: We're Broken and Our Focus Needs to be on Taking Care of Business at Home May 24, 2021

    We've come to the end of another violent cycle between Israelis and Palestinians. Generally, the Biden Administration has gotten good grades for a policy that balanced active, behind the scenes efforts to bring the violence to a quick close with a desire not to get side-tracked from their main agenda items here at home. Where do we go from here? What did the crisis tell us is now different between Israelis and Palestinians? About American attitudes toward both sides? We discuss with well-known Middle East experts and commentators Rula Jebreal and Aaron David Miller and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute plus Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. Also: Thoughts on how the US and the world should react to the shocking seizure of a journalist from a transiting Ryan Air jet by Belarus. Don't miss it.

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    How Do You Say "We Are Being Attacked by Radicals Who Want to Destroy Democracy" in a Way that Will Make People Care? May 20, 2021

    This week, the vast majority of Republicans on Capitol Hill sought to block a bipartisan commission that would investigate the attack that took place on January 6th and the factors leading up to it. Some even portrayed the attackers as the victims or as just a bunch of tourists visiting a national monument. It would have been shocking if it were not so commonplace. So the question becomes, do enough Americans even care about preserving our system of government to protect it? And if not, how can a sufficient number be motivated to care? We discuss with Washington Post columnist Greg Sargent and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of Just Security and a professor at NYU Law School. It's an important discussion. Don't miss it.

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    When of the Two Most Likely Solutions One is Impossible and the other is Even Less Likely, What Then? May 20, 2021

    The past two weeks have revealed that the Israel-Palestine conflict remains far from a solution. Indeed, of the two most likely solutions discussed--a two-state "solution" or a one-state "solution"--both seem impossible. But the problem is a real one with profound human consequences in Israel and Palestine and great resonance in the US (often for the wrong reasons). We discuss the situation and our options with one of the most thoughtful observers and voices on these issues in the U.S., Jeremy Ben-Ami, the president of J-Street. Don't miss this thoughtful conversation on a complex and confounding problem.

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    Panetta’s Regret May 19, 2021

    Former CIA Director and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta was praised in a multitude of articles and broadcasts marking the 10th anniversary of the elimination of Osama Bin Laden earlier this month. But in an hour long interview with Jeff Stein, he described a major failing of US intelligence during his watch. Listen to it here.

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    Has the CIA Lost Its Grip on the Middle East? May 19, 2021

    CIA clandestine services veteran and longtime Middle East hand Marc Polymeropoulos tells Jeff Stein that the CIA no longer prizes regional expertise, instead opting for spy corps “generalists” who can be shifted from region to region. In this Special Edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Polymeropoulos laments the passing of Charlie Seidel, who he calls the CIA’s “last great Arabist.”

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    The Cracking Sounds You Hear in the Old US-Israel Relationship May 17, 2021

    The Biden Administration is working hard to maintain a fairly traditional front for US-Israel relations during the current crisis. Which is to say they are essentially following the playbook the Obama Administration would have followed (Trump's bromance with Bibi was an outlier). But times are changing, the views of Democrats are changing, the generational outlook is changing, and don't forget Bibi's bromance with Trump which did not help matters. We discuss what could trigger a change with former top Israeli diplomat and foreign policy specialist Alon Pinkas, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School. Don't miss it.


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    What's Cooking in the Laboratories of Democracy May 13, 2021

    It was Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis who popularized the phrase "states are laboratories of democracy." That has never been clearer than at this moment when some of the most important innovation in governing is coming from states...and some folks, notably on the right, are working on experiments that may end up crippling democracy or even killing it. To get a sense of what is going on at the state level in US politics, we take a look at one bellwether state, Virginia, through the eyes of one of its most promising political leaders, current gubernatorial candidate State Senator Jennifer McClellan. Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and formerly of the Obama White House and host David Rothkopf discuss with Senator McClellan some of the key issues in US politics today from voting rights to justice reform to child care and education. Don't miss it.

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    Crisis and Confusion May 13, 2021

    In the fourth edition of the SpyTalk podcast, former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen talks with co-host Jeanne Meserve about combatting “psychological warfare” disinformation attacks from Russia, China, Iran and even Venezuela, and former top CIA analyst Mathew Burrows tells her that US intelligence is so busy coping with immediate threats they “can’t see the forest for the trees.” Leading off the show, Jeff Stein talks with Janis Shinwari, an Afghan interpreter for US intelligence units, who says thousands of his comrades are terrified about being left behind and murdered by the Taliban when US forces leave in September.

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    The Unimaginable Covid Crisis in India May 11, 2021

    On this special episode of Deep State Radio, we discuss the Covid-19 crisis in India with Washington Post Global Opinion Columnist, Rana Ayyub, who is covering the crisis from the front lines from her home in Mumbai and describes unimaginable suffering, both personally and across her country. Rana is joined by Edward Luce of the Financial Times and practicing physician and former Obama health advisor, Dr. Kavita Patel. This episode is available in its entirety exclusively to our members.


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    The One in Which Rosa Suggests That He or She With the Most Instagram Followers Should Rule May 10, 2021

    The US could be back in the Iran nuclear accord by the end of the month. There are plenty of hurdles to that, of course, but it is not impossible. And if not by then, then perhaps it will happen by Fall. We discuss why that is likely to be a good thing with the Quincy Institute's Joe Cirincione, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake, and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School. We also discuss violence in Israel, the challenges the situation there poses for the Biden team and...the future of the Italian monarchy. Which is how we got to the Instagram discussion in the first place. Don't miss it.

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    The Woman Who Invented Ronald Reagan May 07, 2021

    Ronald Reagan would not have been president nor would he have enjoyed the successes he had as a politician without the active role played by his wife, Nancy. Often underestimated, sometimes the subject of gossipy slights, this woman was really one of the principle architects of a watershed presidency, among the very top advisors in an era in which some of the others including Washington titans like James Baker and George Bush. Washington Post columnist Karen Tumulty has written what is already being hailed as the definitive biography of the former first lady, "The Triumph of Nancy Reagan." The book itself is a triumph and offers a vital insight into a watershed moment in modern American history. It also is rich with color including from the golden age of Hollywood. We discuss all that in a special one-on-one conversation with the author that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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    How Do We Get from Here to Accountability? May 06, 2021

    In an important ruling this week, Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote a scathing assessment of the Barr Department of Justice's efforts to rationalize their handling of the serial obstruction of justice within the Trump Administration. This may have been another significant step toward getting some accountability for the last administration's serial abuses. The decision came in a case brought by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). We are joined by CREW president Noah Bookbinder and our regulars, NYU Law Professor and co-editor of Just Security Ryan Goodman and former senior Obama White House official and former Senate staffer Dr. Kavita Patel to discuss how, if ever, we might get from where we are toward bringing Trump and his associates to true justice. It's an important discussion that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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    Shots in the Dark May 06, 2021

    Jeanne Meserve looks into the mysterious directed-energy attacks on officials in Washington with Mark Zaid, lawyer for CIA and State Department victims. Then Ronen Bergman, author of a groundbreaking book on Israeli assassination operations, talks with Jeff Stein about the effect of Mossad’s hits on Iran’s nuclear scientists and uranium facilities. Last but hardly least, Jeanne talks at length with technology venture capitalist Gilman Louie about his work with the CIA and the perils of losing the race on artificial intelligence to America’s adversaries.

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    Is this Just Indian Summer for Democracy in America? May 03, 2021

    Joe Biden is doing a remarkable job. Public support for Biden's bold economic initiatives is exceptionally high. But there are warning signs about what may be around the next bend in American politics. The GOP is punishing those in its ranks who dared to speak the truth. The most extreme actors on the right seem to have the best prospects. Republicans are posed to do well in the 2022 mid-terms. And if that happens, will this moment be seen as a momentary return to sanity before we continue the Trumpian slide to neo-fascism? Do threats to democracy elsewhere in the world, such as India, forebode ill as well? We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Max Boot of the Washington Post and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Pour yourself a stiff drink and tune in.

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    A Stake Through the Heart of Reaganomics Apr 30, 2021

    We are in the middle of an economic sea-change in the United States. The prevailing views of the past 40 years--call them Reaganomics or neo-liberalism or the Washington Consensus--are being pushed aside. The inequality they left in their wake are being addressed by new policies that focus on investing in the middle class and the most vulnerable. The leader of this revolution is not some young firebrand but a seasoned figure of the Washington establishment, President Joe Biden. We discuss his bold economic vision and its potential consequences with Ed Luce and Rana Foroohar of the Financial Times. It's a great, provocative discussion. Don' miss it.

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    Biden Gives the Most Kennedy-esque Rooseveltian Speech in History Apr 29, 2021

    Joe Biden spoke to a joint session of Congress and outlined an economic plan that exceeds in scope anything we have seen nearly a century. It was specific, doable, and would be paid for simply by restoring taxes to levels they were at past periods of American prosperity and growth. He framed it as not just urgent from a domestic perspective but critical to "winning the 21st Century", to our competition with China. Is it realistic? How will it become law? How will the GOP respond? What are the political consequences? (And what are the consequences of this weeks' raid on Rudy Giuliani's Upper East Side of Manhattan apartment?). We discuss with Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." Don't miss it.

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    Fire and Ice Apr 29, 2021

    In this week’s edition of the SpyTalk podcast, Jeff Stein goes deep on the CIA’s looming eviction from Afghanistan with Lisa Curtis, a longtime former CIA, State Department and White House National Security Council expert on the region. And then co-host Jeanne Meserve conducts a lively interview with a former senior CIA and NSA analyst, Alma Katsu, about her new, post-government-service thriller, Red Widow, which features a gutsy female spy heroine.

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    Biden's First 100 Days, The Foreign Policy Perspective Apr 26, 2021

    Going from Donald Trump to Joe Biden has been as striking a political shift as most Americans have encountered in their lifetimes. But the shift has sent shockwaves around the world. America's allies are cautiously optimistic. Autocrats not so much. We discuss the first 100 days of Biden foreign and national security policy and their implications with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, David Sanger of the New York Times and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Join us.

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    Will We Ever Have Real Police Reform in America? Apr 23, 2021

    In the wake of the Derek Chauvin verdict, while there was a consensus that a degree of justice was achieved, that a massive job of work remained to end the long history of systemic racism in US law enforcement and throughout society. The question is how do we get there from here? Will government have the courage to stand up to special interests and produce the kind of real structural change that is necessary? Or will this issue be punted and produce further tragedies, abuses and social division? We discuss with former US attorney and host of the "Talking Feds" podcast Harry Litman and Dr. Kavita Patel, former senior official in the Obama White House. Join us.

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    A CIA Spy in Syria, and US Responses to Russian, Chinese and Other Adversary Hacking Apr 22, 2021

    This week, in the debut edition of the SpyTalk podcast, co-host Jeff Stein talks to the Washington Post’s Joby Warrick about an extraordinary CIA operation in Syria, as told in his new book, Red Line. Jeff and co-host Jeanne Meserve also discuss the Biden administration’s recent expulsion of suspected Russian spies, then Jeanne talks with former NSA Director and Cyber Command chief Admiral Mike Rogers about Chinese, Russian and other hackers’ infiltration of U.S. computer networks.

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    A Page is Turned: We Shift Our Focus from Old Threats to New Ones Apr 19, 2021

    Last week, President Biden announced the US would be pulling our last troops out of Afghanistan by September 11 of this year. At the same time, leaders in the Intelligence Community met with Congress to discuss emerging threats--from China to tech war. Our experts discuss these developments as well as new developments concerning Russia, a bilateral meeting with Japan and an outbreak of diplomacy in the practice of US foreign policy. Join Lara Jakes of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School for a discussion of where we are right now and where we are headed.

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    A Tale of Two COVIDS Apr 15, 2021

    On the one hand, America's vaccine roll out is making great progress. On the other, in the last week COVID cases are on the rise in 38 states. On the one hand, the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are working remarkably well. On the other hand, Astra Zeneca and perhaps Johnson and Johnson not so much. (Or maybe the government is over-reacting to a very tiny number of problem cases with the J&J vaccine.) On the one hand we know more about the disease. On the other hand it keeps changing and about a third of us just don't want to know the science. Where does this lead? We discuss with Pulitzer Prize-winner Laurie Garrett, former senior Obama health specialist Dr. Kavita Patel and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School. Also: A special conversation about latest revelations about Trump and Russia and the Biden team's response.

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    A One on One with NYT Columnist Nick Kristof: Searching for Solutions from Here at Home to the World's Hot Spots Apr 15, 2021

    Two time Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Nicholas Kristof has set himself from other columnists by virtue of his deep reporting into the subjects about which he writes. In this exclusive conversation, Deep State listeners and host David Rothkopf pose questions on the subjects that have dominated his work over the years--from China to conflict zones, from social problems in America to protecting the rights of women and girls. Don't miss this wide-ranging and provocative conversation.

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    "The GOP Thinks of Politics Like Pro Wrestling"--A Conversation with Rep. Eric Swalwell Apr 13, 2021

    Rep. Eric Swalwell of California has emerged as one of the most important voices in the Democratic Party. From his presidential campaign to his work during last year's impeachment hearings, he has stood out for both tough-mindedness and clarity. As the son and brother of police officers, he has strong views on how we need to reform policing in America in the wake of the abuses we have seen, especially in communities of color. This ties to his activism on the issue of gun control. We discuss both as well as his views on the Matt Gaetz scandal, the GOP's race to the bottom, the best strategy for a Democratic Party that must expand its margins in the Senate and House in 2022 and accountability for the Trump administration. Don't miss this insight-rich conversation.

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    How Can Joe Biden Avoid the Curse of 400 Rabbits? Apr 12, 2021

    The ancient Aztecs referred to the headache and misery following drunken debauchery as the "curse of 400 rabbits." Presidents need to try to avoid policies that produce similar reactions. So far the Biden Administration has been deft at doing so. Where might they go wrong? And what domestic policy priorities should they pursue to strengthen the US internationally? We discuss with Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School. Don't miss the conversation...which includes a special report from the parking lot of a Wal-Mart in Billings, Montana.

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    It's Not Too Early to Predict What Biden Era Politics Will Be Like Apr 08, 2021

    By this time during the presidency of the former guy, his national security advisor had been booted, the Muslim ban had been tried and Comey was days from getting fired. We also knew that the GOP was simply not going to do anything about even the worst things Trump was doing. So it's not too early to make some prognostications about about the political weather we can expect in the Biden Era. The bad news is, we already know the GOP is still Trump's GOP, obstructionist at best, anti-democratic, racist, corrupt and traitorous at worst. The good news is that so far, Joe Biden has managed to by-pass the Beltway and win bi-partisan support by listening to the American people and giving them the kind of programs and change the majority of them have long supported. Will this continue? What could result in a course change? We discuss with Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Washington Post, Dr. Kavita Patel, former Obama White House official and practicing physician and Ryan Goodman, NYU Law professor and co-editor of "Just Security." Join us.

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    Sorting the Good News from the Bad on COVID Apr 06, 2021

    The US is making great progress on vaccine distribution and national death tolls are falling. But new variants are spreading and some states are seeing disturbing spikes in infection. The world is itching to re-open post pandemic but the very of "post-pandemic" may be illusory with out of control COVID in many parts of the world and unsatisfactory government responses in many others. What should we make of this welter of contradictory facts? We discuss with Dr. Kavita Patel, practicing physician and former senior Obama White House health policy official, and Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding, noted epidemiologist. Don't miss this discussion which was enhanced by the ability of DSR members to pose questions.

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    Things are Going Pretty Well...Maybe it's Time to Start Worrying Apr 05, 2021

    It is a matter of conventional wisdom nearly everywhere that the Biden Administration is off to a strong start. Which, life on this planet being what it is, leads us to ask, what could go wrong? Will Russia's saber-rattling in Ukraine turn into something worse? What about China's regarding Taiwan? Are there any good options in either case for Biden & Co. What about the pandemic? We're doing better in the US but the rest of the world is being rocked by new problems. Could that drag us backward? Our regulars, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times join us to discuss. Don't miss it.

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    One-on-one with Gayle Tzemach Lemmon: Why It is So Important to Tell the Stories of Heroic Women Mar 31, 2021

    Too much of world history is written by men about men for men. The result is that cultural biases of a male-centric world are reinforced. But another consequence is that the vitally important stories about heroic women who are shaping our communities an our futures go unnoticed. Gayle Tzemach Lemmon, author of the Daughters of Kobani, is addressing this shortcoming with powerful books telling the story of remarkable women across the greater Middle East. We discuss with her the future of the US in the region, the future of women in the region and how average American can make a difference in resetting our priorities. Don't miss it.

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    Standing Up to Anti-Asian Hate Crime: A One-on-One with Rep. Ted Lieu Mar 30, 2021

    As anti-Asian hate crimes continue across America, California Congressman Ted Lieu has become one of the foremost voices demanding action to stop the violence. He also has not been shy about calling to account the former president and his administration for fueling the violence with their hateful references to the spread of the COVID pandemic. We speak to Rep. Lieu about the crisis and the steps the Biden Administration is taken to stop it. We also discuss the president's upcoming major infrastructure initiative, the climate crisis and what must be done to hold the former administration accountable for its abuses including inciting the insurrection on January 6th. Don't miss this wide ranging conversation.

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    INTRODUCING “SPY TALK” Mar 29, 2021

    Introducing a new show from the DSR Network called “Spy Talk.” SpyTalk lives at the intersection of intelligence operations, foreign policy, homeland security and military strategy. Co-hosted by veteran national security journalist Jeff Stein and former star CNN homeland security correspondent Jeanne Meserve, the podcast will feature exclusives by SpyTalk’s roster of longtime reporters, news and profiles of US and foreign spymasters and interviews with policymakers and expert authors. There’s nothing quite like it—a place for experts and lay persons alike, who enjoy national security scoops and insights by SpyTalk’s subject matter experts. Coming this Spring. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.


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    Kibbitizpalooza: Advice for the Biden Administration as they Roll Out Their Policies Mar 29, 2021

    While we are only two months into the new administration (and it is getting good marks for those two months) it is never too early to start kibbitzing about how to do better. Can we go too far in direct our economic attention inward? What old policy positions can we let go of? How do we fix our defense planning and spending? Is there anything we can teach Europe to help them with their troubled vaccination roll outs? Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School offer their thoughts on areas we can do even better...and then they turn their attention to the great American infrastructure songbook. Don't miss it.

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    When Can We Go To War and Who Decides? Mar 25, 2021

    Few decisions a government can make are more consequential than deciding when the use of force is warranted. In the US a debate has raged for decades about how much latitude a president should have in making such decisions and what role Congress should play. Legal contortionism has turned congressional authorizations for the use of force in one circumstance into blank permissions slips still cited by president decades later. This week, the Congress has begun to reconsider these profoundly important issues and we are joined by experts Steve Pomper, formerly of the Obama NSC, and Oona Hathaway, professor at Yale Law School, as well as regular co-host Ryan Goodman, co-editor of Just Security and professor at NYU Law School for a discussion on what changes are needed and which are possible. Don't miss it.


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    Ah, So This is What Having an Actual, Thought Out, Professional Foreign Policy Feels Like Mar 22, 2021

    After four years of policy by Tweet that sometimes felt as if it were driven more by the indigestion of the Tweeter than by any connection to US interests, the Biden Administration has ushered in a striking change. Last week's US-China meetings in Anchorage, were acrimonious at times but appropriately so for a complex relationship and there seemed to be a clear method to the US approach. That was born out early this week when the US imposed meaningful sanctions on China for its abuses of the Uyghurs...in conjunction with our closest allies. We discuss where this and other recent developments lead with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss it.

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    Russia Meddled! Trump Lied! The GOP Covered For It! And Nothing Happened...Again! Mar 18, 2021

    Never in the history of shocking revelations about US government lies and scandal has there been such a protracted period of shocking revelations nor one with so few consequences for those in power at the center of the scandals. Now, as the Biden Administration, reveals more truth about Trumpist lies there is again shock...and precious little action or accountability? What next? What does it say about us and our system? We discuss with former FBI counterintelligence official and best-selling author Peter Strzok along with our regulars NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman and former Obama WH official Dr. Kavita Patel. Join us.

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    Is Filibuster Reform Now More Likely Than Not? Mar 17, 2021

    Mitch McConnell has become so effective as an obstructionist force and the GOP has been so disciplined in their support of him, that he has left the Democrats with no alternative but to consider some form of filibuster reform. Even those who have opposed such steps in the past are now showing some signs of warming to some form of the idea. We discuss in a Q&A with American Enterprise Institute emeritus scholar and one of the leading experts on this issue, Norm Ornstein. Join us for this important conversation.

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    What Challenges Will the US Face in the Post-COVID World? Mar 15, 2021

    There are encouraging signs that the US will slowly begin to return to post-COVID normalcy by this summer or fall. Wall Street predictions for the economy for the third and fourth quarters of 2021 are rosy. What if that actually happens? What priorities will be next for the Biden Administration? What challenges may emerge worldwide that may draw its attention? We discuss with David Sanger of the NY Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and author of the new book, Tangled Up in Blue. Don't miss it.

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    Wait, what? A president behaving presidentially? News that's...actually...good? Mar 12, 2021

    Yes, you heard that right. We've come to 50 days into the Biden presidency and things are actually working, getting better, Spring is in the air, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Admittedly, there's plenty of ways that despite the best efforts of the president and despite passage of the massive American Rescue Plan that we can screw this up. But who knows, we might not. Right? We discuss with Dr. Kavita Patel, former top official in the Obama White House and practicing physician, and with Ryan Goodman, professor at NYU Law School and co-editor of the Just Security website. Join us. It's not all bad news for a change.

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    Next Steps Toward Making the Country Safer and Healthier Mar 10, 2021

    There is good news in America--from progress in getting relief to Americans wracked by COVID and its economic aftershocks to slowly getting a new government in place including, finally, the confirmation of Attorney General Merrick Garland. Where do we go from here though in securing the country and fixing our broken politics. We speak with two veterans of the Trump Administration who broke away to challenge it, former Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Elizabeth Neumann and former Mike Pence senior staffer Olivia Troye. Don't miss it.

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    "A Foreign Policy for the American People" Mar 08, 2021

    Last week Secretary of State Antony Blinken delivered a speech outlining the priorities of Biden-Harris Administration foreign policy. It differed from past such speeches in focus, tone and objectives. It described an approach in which, in the words of Blinken, the distinctions between foreign and domestic policy have "fallen away." It was also showed more humility and awareness that America had much work to do to repair our own democracy, immigration policies, and relationships around the world if we are to be successful. We discuss the speech and its implications with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and Max Boot of the Council on Foreign Relations. We also begin with some observations on International Women's Day. Don't miss it.


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    Washington Got You Pissed Off? Us Too! Mar 04, 2021

    Weren't we supposed to get a break from being angry at DC? At the political inanity? The recklessness? The law breaking with impunity? Sure its the same old people being inane and reckless and breaking the law but even with Democrats in charge in the White House and in both houses of Congress, progress is painfully hard to come by, setbacks are frequent, Republicans seem disciplined and Democrats can't get together around core ideas. Or can they? Are there glimmers of hope? Patterns or opportunities that should trigger a little more optimism? We discuss with Greg Sargent of the Washington Post, Dr. Kavita Patel, of the Brookings Institution and formerly of the Obama White House and Ryan Goodman, professor at NYU Law School and co-editor of "Just Security." Join us. You might feel better.

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    Tangled Up in Blue: Policing at a Crossroads Mar 03, 2021

    Deep State Radio listeners know Rosa Brooks as one of our founding regulars, a scholar on constitutional and international law and a national security expert. But for the past few years she has served as a police officer in Washington, DC and has written about her experiences and the lessons we can all draw from them in a new book, "Tangled Up in Blue: Policing the American City." It is an extraordinarily well-observed story that raises urgently important questions. Rosa joins us on this podcast to discuss the book and answer listener questions. Don't miss it.

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    The Daughters of Kobani: The Women Who Beat ISIS Mar 02, 2021

    ISIS was as unstoppable as their beliefs and actions were unconscionable when they arrived in Kobani. But there they were defeated by a force that not only outfought them on the battlefield but simultaneously obliterated their eleventh century ideology of the suppression and abuse of women. It was an army led in part by women, featuring fierce, capable women fighters many of whom just months earlier could hardly have imagined the circumstances that led to their triumph. Subsequently, the women of the Kurdish Women's Protection Units went on to many other victories and to win the admiration of military leaders and advocates of women's empowerment worldwide. Their story has been captured by best-selling author Gayle Tzemach Lemmon in a new book, "The Daughters of Kobani: A Story of Rebellion, Courage and Justice." It is an inspiring book, an important book and hopefully a book that will help change America's woefully bad policies toward the Kurds. We discuss it and those policies with Lemmon in a special edition of the podcast. Don't miss it.

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    Not an Enemy, Not Quite an Ally: America's Reset with Saudi Arabia...and the Middle East Mar 01, 2021

    Last week, the Biden Administration released the official conclusion that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was behind the brutal murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi. It also detailed a host of measures to penalize the Saudis. Critics were unhappy there were no direct penalties for MBS. But the administration made it clear to the Saudis that the free ride they were getting with Donald Trump was over. Importantly, it all appeared to be part of a well-thought out broader Middle East policy that has regional analysts commenting that not only is Biden no Trump, he's also learned the lessons of the Obama years and is approaching things differently--in a good way. We discuss with Kim Ghattas, author of Black Wave: Saudi Arabia, Iran and the Forty-Year Rivalry That Unraveled Culture, Religion and Collective Memory in the Middle East, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the NY Times. Join us.

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    The Accountability Conundrum: How Do We Form Commissions to Investigate 1/6 or COVID in the Current Political Environment? Feb 25, 2021

    When the 9/11 Commission was formed in the wake of the Al Qaeda attacks on the US, the current was united in grief and anger but politically polarized and it was very difficult to find a path forward that would be credible and an effective driver of reform. But the divisions of the early 2000s were nothing compared to what we have today and the problem is compounded by the active culpability one political party has in both of the issues that demand investigation. So, how do we get to accountability today? We discuss this question with former 9/11 Commissioner, former Indiana congressman Tim Roemer as well as Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security" and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution and former senior Obama White House staffer. Join us.

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    This is Not Donald Trump's Planet Earth Anymore...and That's a Very Good Thing Feb 24, 2021

    The US has seen its influence plummet during the past four years as our president made everything including foreign policy about himself. That changed in an instant when Joe Biden was elected president, but now we must come to grips with the fact that in many areas our international and national security policies are woefully out of step with the times. Where should we go next on cyber policy, on nuclear policy, with China, with Russia, with our relations with the emerging world? We discuss with one of the most thoughtful and intelligent members of the United States Congress, Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut. Don't miss his wide-ranging and insightful perspectives.

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    Which is More Powerful, the Bully Pulpit or the Bullshit Pulpit? Feb 24, 2021

    Donald Trump introduced the truth-optional, bring your own dysfunction era to American politics and it made for good ratings. Now, he has been replaced by a president who rejects Trump's approaches, his use of social media, his melodrama, his lies and his criming. So, is that a good thing or will it afford Trump to outshine the bully pulpit of the presidency by continuing to often the media the catnip of his bullshit pulpit? We discuss with Politico White House correspondent Natasha Bertrand and NYU Journalism professor Jay Rosen. This is one of our weekly special "Ask the Blob" episodes in which our members get to pose the questions our experts answer. Please join us for this...by becoming a member at thedsrnetwork.com.



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    American Kompromat: Why Don't Americans Care More that Trump was a Russian Asset? Feb 23, 2021

    Craig Unger's new book American Kompromat details the KGB recruitment of Donald Trump and how a man like Trump can become a valued Russian asset. It can all be legal. It can all be more or less out in the open. And in the end, it can compromise US national interests in profound ways...as it did. It's a fascinating look at the back story of the greatest traitor in American history. Don't miss it.

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    Can the Biden Foreign Policy Team Live Up to Their Advance Billing? Feb 22, 2021

    The Biden foreign policy and national security teams arrived to choruses of praise for the experience of the members and their general positions. That said a van full of orangutans would have been greeted as an improvement to Trump & his motley crew. But what are the potential areas in which they will face challenges? And what does the world have in store for them that may change the calculus whether they want it to or not? We try to answer these questions on an episode featuring Harvard University's Steve Walt, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law School and author of the new book "Tangled Up in Blue," Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss it.

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    Episode 1: Deep Thoughts with David Rothkopf Feb 22, 2021

    This is our first episode of Deep Thoughts with David Rothkopf, our new weekly feature available exclusively to our members. This week, David discusses the grim milestone of 500K deaths from Covid.

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    On January 6, the Noose Was for Mike Pence...Now a Legal Noose Is Tightening Around Trump Feb 19, 2021

    While Trumpists may have celebrated that the disgraced former president was not convicted by the Senate and the Senators who voted to convict have been attacked for their show of conscience, the reality is that Trump's legal prospects are not good. Mitch McConnell, his one time ally, called for his prosecution. Multiple cases in which he is a target are under way--in NY, Atlanta, and Washington DC. A commission is being called to investigate the January 6th insurgency. We discuss where these may lead and how the GOP may handle the consequences with former Trump Admin senior staffer Olivia Troye and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." Don't miss it.

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    The Terrorist Next Door: The New War to Combat Domestic Extremism - Preview Feb 18, 2021

    In the latest in our "Ask the Blob" series (see links below for more about the name), host David Rothkopf is joined by Juliette Kayyem and Clint Watts (Bios Below). They discuss the rise of domestic terrorism and what can be done to combat it. They also answer the audience's questions on the subject. A very informative discussion not to be missed.


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    Juliette Kayyem

    Juliette Kayyem has spent the last two decades in both state and federal government managing complex policy initiatives and organizing government responses to major crises. She is a professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, where she is faculty chair of the Homeland Security and Security and Global Health Projects and a CNN National Security analyst. Previously, she served as President Obama's Assistant Secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, where she played a pivotal role in major operations responding to the BP Oil Spill and H1N1 pandemic. Juliette is the author of the 2016 bestselling book Security Mom: An Unclassified Guide to Protecting Our Homeland and Your Home.


    Clint Watts

    Clint Watts is a Distinguished Research Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and Non-Resident Fellow at the Alliance for Securing Democracy. He is also a national security contributor for NBC News and MSNBC. His research and writing focuses on terrorism, counterterrorism, social media influence and Russian disinformation. He examined the rise of social media influence in his 2018 book Messing With The Enemy: Surviving in a Social Media World of Hackers, Terrorists, Russians and Fake News. Clint testified before four Senate committees in 2017 and 2018 regarding Russia’s information warfare campaign against the U.S. and the West. Clint previously served as a U.S. Army infantry officer, a FBI Special Agent, and as the Executive Officer of the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.


    Trump Takes on The Blob - Politico


    The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru - New York Times


    The revenge of the blob - Vox


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    Promising Signs for a New Era in US Foreign Policy Feb 16, 2021

    Representative Ted Deutch (D-Florida) is chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Subcommittee on the Middle East, North Africa and Global Counterterrorism. He joined the podcast to discuss the promising first moves of the Biden foreign policy team with regard to international alliances, support for the international system, communication at home and abroad and with respect to the biggest issues in the Middle East from Iran to Israel, Saudi Arabia to Yemen. Don't miss this insightful discussion with one of Capitol Hill's foreign policy leaders on the big changes currently taking place in America's relationships with the world.

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    Where Does the Acquittal of Donald Trump Leave Us? Feb 15, 2021

    For the second time in as many years, Donald Trump was acquitted by the Senate, this time for inciting insurrection. Even with the overwhelming evidence the impeachment managers brought forth, just 7 Republican Senators voted for conviction. Where does this leave us as a country? Is the U.S. strengthened or weakened in the eyes of our allies? We discuss this, the state of policing in America and more with guest host, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law School, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and David Sanger of the New York Times, calling in from his snow shoe excursion in Vermont. Don't miss this wide-ranging discussion.

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    When is an Open and Shut Case Not an Open and Shut Case? Feb 11, 2021

    The House Impeachment managers proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Donald Trump incited an insurrection against the US government that resulted in six deaths over 140 injuries and profound damage to our democracy. Good as they were, we have to admit, it wasn't that tough to do because we all saw the events unfold. So, ensuring justice will be done should be easy, right? Not so fast. The Senate Kangaroo court you will remember from a year ago is back in session and most of the GOP simply do not care about facts or the law or the Constitution or the judgment of history. Which is why Trump will be acquitted. But...what then? What does it mean? Can other prosecutions follow? We discuss with former US Attorney Barb McQuade, NYU Law's Ryan Goodman and Dr. Kavita Patel of the Brookings Institution. We also include an update on a bunch of breaking COVID news with Kavita. So...don't miss this episode.

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    Does the Impeachment Trial Represent a Turning Point for the GOP? Feb 10, 2021

    The House Impeachment managers are meticulously making an irrefutable case against former President Trump and they are meeting very little resistance from Trump's almost comically inept defense team. But what then? What if the vast majority of GOP Senators vote to acquit? (As they will.) Where does the party go from here? What will the influence of the small but noticeable Sanity Caucus be going forward? We discuss with two noted, brilliant commentators, Max Boot of the Washington Post and David Frum of the Atlantic. They answer questions from host David Rothkopf and from an audience that joined the discussion as part of our new, weekly, "Ask the Blob" Webinar Series. Join us.

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    Once They've Finished the Easy Part, What's Next for the Biden Administration? Feb 08, 2021

    Undoing the policies of our disgraced former president are the low hanging fruit for Biden foreign and national security policy. Allies can be prioritized, executive orders can be reversed, kow towing to foreign dictators can stop. But, what then? What will the Biden team attempt that is complicated or difficult or both? A new deal with iran? A coherent China policy? Pentagon reform? We discuss with David Sanger of the New York Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and author of the new book, "Tangled Up in Blue: Policing the American City." Don't miss it.

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    The Joyce of Cooking: Judicial Reform, Domestic Terrorism and How to Frost a Cake Feb 06, 2021

    MSNBC legal analyst Joyce Vance joins the podcast this week, and we discuss highly unrelated topics such as pet chickens and how necessary judicial reforms can create a more equitable legal system.Vance’s straight talk on the future of the Department of Justice and how current laws can handle domestic terrorism offers hope for the future. Cake helps, and Joyce and Marissa make a British Bake-Off-worthy coffee-pecan layer cake with praline topping.

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    In Search of the Republican "Taliban We Can Work With" Feb 04, 2021

    Has the GOP lost its mind? Or is its embrace and defense of lunatics, violent extremists, traitors, sex offenders, racists and the highly corrupt a shrewd, carefully considered political strategy? How should Democrats respond? How do they get accountability for abuses when the GOP absolutely refuses to go along? How do they achieve progress on healing our wounds when the other party actively wants to deepen them? And what kind of role will President Biden play in all this? What has he already shown us? We discuss with Dr. Kavita Patel, former top health advisor in the Obama White House, Rosa Brooks, professor at Georgetown Law School and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School. It's a great wide ranging conversation that you won't want to miss. Join us.

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    Rays of Hope: A Conversation with Tom Friedman Feb 03, 2021

    This is a complex moment for America and for the world. It is a far cry from the euphoria of the immediate post-Cold War, tech boom era. But there were foreshadowings we would grapple with today's problems and three-time Pulitzer Prize Winner, NY Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman identified them more than two decades ago in his book "The Lexus and the Olive Tree." We talk with Tom about how we got from then to now and where potential answers to the challenges we face may lie...including why Joe Biden may be precisely the man the world and the US need in the Oval Office right now. It's a must-listen conversation. Join us.

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    What Does the FBI Know That Congress Doesn't? Feb 02, 2021

    "The FBI Way" is a terrific new book from 25 year FBI veteran and MSNBC contributor Frank Figliuzzi. It details the values within the FBI that have enabled it to succeed so frequently in the past as well as discussing where mistakes have been made and how they have been remedied. The book is rich with stories many of which intersect with the headlines of the past few years. We discuss the book with Frank but also explore his views on the insurrection on Capitol Hill, on accountability, and on America's urgent need to pass a domestic terrorism law. It's a riveting discussion. Don't miss it.

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    America's Not the Only Place Democracy is Under Siege Feb 01, 2021

    Imagine: A coup attempt in which the coup leaders justify taking power because of massive voter fraud. Or imagine a government using force against thousands of peaceful demonstrators. Now imagine that those things were not taking place in the US on behalf of America's disgraced former president but were instead happening in Myanmar and Russia. Suddenly, the new administration faces its first international challenges and if they are not precisely the same as threats posed recently in the US by the last administration, they rhyme. What to do? We discuss with Chicago Council on Global Affairs CEO Amb. Ivo Daalder, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and David Sanger of the New York Times. Join us.

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    La Dolce Kavita: Chocolate, Choosing Vaccines and An Easy Way to Help Others Jan 30, 2021

    Today’s episode features Kavita Patel, practicing physician and former health and economics policy advisor in the Obama Administration. We talk pro-cookie baking tips and Covid, including the pros and cons of the available vaccines, the reality of our shared grief and what to say to someone who’s not wearing a mask. We also talk about more pleasant things, including that most pleasant thing of all: chocolate. Plus: We make whole-wheat oatmeal chocolate chip cookies that are packed with enough chocolate you won't know they're full of nutritious whole wheat flour.

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    Was Trump's Coup Attempt on January 6th the Start of Something Much Worse? Jan 28, 2021

    While some may look at the Trump coup attempt on January 6th as the last desperate act of the disgraced former president to remain in power, it is already being seen among white supremacist groups as a long expected signal of an escalation in domestic unrest leading to a civil war they have long planned and hoped for. The fact that Trump is likely to go unpunished for leading the January 6th effort and the Republican Party is taking a strong stand against accountability for that assault may only make matters worse. We discuss the case for Trump's conviction by the Senate, how we got to the 6th and what it augurs for the future with Elizabeth Neumann, Director of the Republican Accountability Project and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor of law at NYU Law School. Don't miss this chilling conversation.

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    Filibusted: Getting to the Truth About What's Wrong with the US Senate Jan 27, 2021

    Senate "institutionalists" claim the filibuster is a traditional US Senate tool that produces compromise. Nope. It's a tool that was almost never used during the first 200 years of US history. And when it was used it was almost always used to promote a racist agenda. And now that it is used more often, it is used to obstruct and give disproportionate power to Republicans. The first step to eliminating it is understanding it and that is why we talk to veteran Senate staffer Adam Jentleson, author of an important new book "Kill Switch: The Rise of the Modern Senate and the Crippling of American Democracy." We discuss what has turned the U.S. Senate from "the world's greatest deliberative body to the place legislation goes to die" and how to fix it. Don't miss this timely conversation.

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    Reading the Biden Tea Leaves: What A Week of Change Is Telling Us About Our Futures Jan 25, 2021

    While some Washington hot take artists are already predicting a backlash against Bidenism (and this even before the first dogs Major and Champ have had a chance to start chewing on the White House furniture), even observers who are disinclined to jumping to conclusions have noticed big changes in Joe Biden's Washington. Our experts--Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Edward Luce of the Financial Times--try to suss out the clues in the early actions of the new administration and what they portend for its political success, foreign policy, national security and other critical areas of concern. Don't miss it.

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    Apologies, Layer Cake and Camping: A Conversation with E. Jean Carroll Jan 25, 2021

    Journalist and former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll joins this week’s episode and we dig straight into all the important issues, while also trying to recreate her favorite birthday cake from childhood. E. Jean, who brought a defamation lawsuit against former (!) President Donald Trump after accusing him of sexual assault, explains how Trump continues to get away with this behavior, and offers her life-affirming insights into the secret of advice columns, why you should stop apologizing and what it’s like to camp in the wilderness with the ultimate urbanite, Fran Lebowitz. Plus: Did we mention layer cake?

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    Three Wednesdays: Storming the Capitol, Impeachment & Inauguration...Where Does It Leave the Average American? Jan 21, 2021

    The past two weeks are unlike any America has ever seen. In the midst of a national pandemic and economic crisis, we saw an unprecedented insurrection on Capitol Hill incited by our then president, an impeachment and then the inauguration of a new leader. On Capitol Hill it was a traumatic period of highs and lows. But it has left America shaken too and asking what's next. We discuss this with Rep. Veronica Escobar of Texas and Dr. Kavita Patel, former senior health advisor in the Obama White House. It's an extraordinary conversation and you won't want to miss it. Join us for this special episode.

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    Et Voila! A New America Emerges Overnight! Jan 19, 2021

    The past four years have left deep scars in the United States. Damage has been done. So can a new administration come in and restore America's role in the world overnight? Just because it wants to? Just because it has experienced senior officials leading the way? Just because the new US president is a foreign policy expert? The short and perhaps somewhat surprising answer is...yes. Yes, the changes will be big, swift and the world is already starting to notice. We discuss the whys and whos and hows of this with Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Tom Nichols of the US Naval War College and David Sanger of the New York Times. Don't miss this discussion that kicks off a new era in US history.

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    Russian Dressing and Rolling Trauma Jan 16, 2021

    Today's episode features a conversation with therapist and author of Too Much and Never Enough, Mary L. Trump. We make brownies -- because if warm brownies were needed any week, this was surely it. Mary, a psychologist who specializes in trauma and psychopathology, shares new insights into why Donald will never concede, how our traumatized nation can heal, and what Donald’s parents would think of their son as President. Listen as Mary and Marissa uncover the surprising reason President Trump has such an affinity for Russia. Plus: A great recipe for gluten-free double-chocolate brownies.

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    Ask the Experts: How Do We Make January 6 a Positive Turning Point for America? Jan 15, 2021

    We have never seen events like those that occurred on January 6. We have never had a president who posed the kind of threat to our security presented by Donald Trump. We are facing new challenges to our society and government associated with social media and widespread radicalization. How do we respond to these challenges? Who must be held accountable? We conducted a webinar with three experts--Asha Rangappa, former FBI Agent and currently a senior lecturer at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs, Harry Litman, former US Attorney and Deputy Assistant Attorney General, and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of Just Security and professor at NYU Law School. Our listeners asked them questions. You'll be interested in their answers. Join us.

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    What Will Be the First Line of Donald Trump's Obituary? Jan 14, 2021

    Will it read "Donald Trump, only president in history to be impeached twice..." or "Donald Trump who presided over the end of American democracy and became it's first king..." or perhaps, "Donald Trump, former president and father of current President Ivanka Trump..?" This question and others about the impact of this week's impeachment vote were put to noted historian Heather Cox Richardson, political expert Norm Ornstein and the Financial Times' Edward Luce in this special episode of Deep State Radio. Join us.

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    Why Trump Should Have Been Impeached Three Times: COVID Update Jan 13, 2021

    While Donald Trump richly deserved the two impeachments that have placed him in the history books, it is arguable that his greatest offenses and failures were associated with grotesque mismanagement of the COVID crisis. Where has that left us and what challenges does it present for the Biden Administration? We discuss with our two regular COVID experts Pultizer Prize winning author Laurie Garrett and former top Obama White House health policy advisor Dr. Kavita Patel. This is an essential listen. Join us.

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    Trump's Failed Coup Attempt: How Bad Was It, How Much Worse Could It Have Been, What to Do Next? Jan 11, 2021

    January 6, 2021 is a date few of us will ever forget. On that day, the president of the United States incited a mob to storm the U.S. Capitol. Five people died. Thousands more were terrorized. And now the nation holds its breath to see if the violence has been quelled or new chapters await. Donald Trump now seems certain to become the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice and to forever be seen as the author of a failed coup attempt against the government he had sworn to protect and defend. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of AEI, Mieke Eoyang of Third Way and David Sanger of the New York Times join us to discuss the impact of the shocking events of the sixth and where we go from here. Don't miss it.

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    The Trump Coup: A Week in Washington Like No Other Jan 07, 2021

    In the midst of a pandemic, with almost 4000 people dying every day, when the nation should be coming together, the President of the United States once again tore it asunder. Worse, what he did was mobilize the first violent coup attempt in US history on the back of his months long seditious efforts to nullify the November election and steal the sovereign power of American voters. As it happens, he also did it on a week when the Democratic Party secured control of the US Senate, another development with seismic consequences in Washington. We discuss these events and their meaning with former Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams advisor Karen Finney, election law specialist Rick Hasen, former Obama health policy advisor Dr. Kavita Patel and NYU Law Professor and co-editor of "Just Security" Ryan Goodman. It's an important deep dive into the meaning behind the events of an extraordinary week. Join us.

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    Special Edition: Global Risks 2021 with Ian Bremmer Jan 06, 2021

    A divided US, the future consequences of the pandemic, inaction on climate change, growing tensions between the US and China, the year ahead holds substantial risks alongside its promise. Each year Eurasia Group puts together an outlook for those risks and on this special edition of Deep State Radio we discuss the 2021 list with Eurasia Group founder and CEO, noted commentator and author, Ian Bremmer. Don't miss this exploration of some of the biggest challenges the world is likely to face over the next 12 months.

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    2021 Predictions: Boring May Be Out of Biden's Reach Jan 04, 2021

    As we look ahead to the new year, many of us hope to put the constant drama and sleaze and anxiety and pain of the Trump year's behind us. Many hoped that a steady establishment figure like Joe Biden would help to restore normalcy to American politics and to the world. Wouldn't it be nice to be bored with politics again? We asked our experts Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute, Ed Luce of the Financial Times and David Sanger of the New York Times whether they thought they was likely. Their responses and their wide-ranging predictions for the US and for the world in the year ahead are the subject of this special New Year's edition of Deep State Radio. Don't miss it.

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    Too Famous: Stories and Baking with Kathy Griffin Dec 24, 2020

    Today's episode features a conversation with comedian Kathy Griffin. I tried to teach her to bake lemon bars and she tried to convince me she was too famous to have to know how to bake. But what she does do, brilliantly, is tell stories and the conversation we had while waiting for her lemon bars to come out of the oven is worth listening to. (The lemon bars are worth making too.)

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    Hopes and Fears: Reflections on 2020 and 2021 Dec 23, 2020

    None of us have ever lived through a year like 2020. What are its lessons? What has it changed forever? And where will it lead in 2021? We bring together an extraordinary group to discuss these issues and the questions they are left with in a year-end special edition of Deep State Radio. Our guests include the author of "Evil Geniuses" Kurt Andersen, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Laurie Garrett, Harvard University specialist in emergency management Juliette Kayyem, former Obama White House Director of Health Policy Dr. Kavita Patel and co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School Ryan Goodman. Save some time on your schedule for this one. It's an important conversation.

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    Our Escalating Cyberwar with Russia: What Can Biden Do? Dec 22, 2020

    We have endured one of the most massive cyberattacks in history this year. While the US Secretary of State, Attorney General and the intelligence community attribute it to Russia, the president does not. When he has not been silent on it, he has been deflecting attention to the Chinese. All this means we can count on the Trump team doing very little in response to this attack. So the burden shifts to the incoming Biden team. They have no playbook to call upon as the Obama Administration also was not strong on these issues. A response is called for. What should it be? What will make us safer? We discuss with cyber experts David Sanger of the New York Times and Dmitri Alperovitch, former CTO of CrowdStrike. Don't miss this special edition.

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    American Democracy's Near Death Experience: How Do We Recover and Ensure It Doesn't Happen Again? Dec 21, 2020

    Donald Trump sat in the Oval Office this weekend discussing whether to send in US troops to declare martial law and nullify a legitimate election. The idea was rebuffed. Perhaps it's the last we'll hear of it. But looking back at the past four years it is clear that we had a president with strongman aspirations and they were far more successful than many imagined possible in the US. How do we respond to that so our system does not face another near death experience like we've just been through? We discuss with Ruth Ben-Ghiat, author of "Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present," Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Tune in for this thought provoking discussion.


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    Why Having the Most Diverse Cabinet in History Matters Dec 17, 2020

    Joe Biden's cabinet will look more like America than any in our history. It will contain more women, more people of color, a wide range of ages, political perspectives and regional points of view. Does that matter? How? And what is still missing? We discuss and then we turn our attention to the latest developments in the COVID crisis, Trump's increasingly erratic behavior as his exit approaches and when, if ever, life may return to "normal." It's a conversation with our regulars Dr. Kavita Patel, former head of health policy in the Obama White House, and Ryan Goodman, co-editor of "Just Security" and professor at NYU Law School. You won't want to miss it.

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    Testing Joe Biden: What Challenges Will Take the Measure of the Next President Dec 16, 2020

    No president has ever entered the job with more foreign policy experience than Joe Biden, who has been playing a role at the highest levels of U.S. international affairs since 1972. Nonetheless, the world continues to rapidly change and the new president will be quickly presented with challenges none of his predecessors have faced. We know what some of those are--from COVID to the challenge of succeeding a president who refuses to exit the office gracefully. But the world certainly has others in store. We discuss how Biden and his team will respond to them with someone in a unique position to know, long-time Biden advisor and friend Tom Donilon, who served as national security advisor to President Obama. Ed Luce of the Financial Times and host David Rothkopf pose the questions on this must listen special edition of DSR.

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    Can America Ever Lead Again? Dec 14, 2020

    Donald Trump was the worst president in US history. About that, at this point, there can be no doubt. One measure of the disaster he has been is the damage he has done to US foreign policy. Fortunately for the United States, the next president is coming into office with more foreign policy experience than any president since George H.W. Bush...and arguably considerably more than even Bush. And his first-rate team has long-experience with one another and are ready to hit the ground running as of day one. The question is: What should their priorities be? We discuss with former US Under Secretary of State Ambassador Nicholas Burns of Harvard's Kennedy School, Mieke Eoyang, who runs national security programs at the Third Way organization and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. Don't miss this thought-provoking and forward looking discussion.

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    Trump's Endgame: How Bad Can it Get? Dec 11, 2020

    Despite his historic losing streak in the courts (not to mention his big election loss), Donald Trump continues to argue he was robbed. And many in his own party are supporting Trump's arguments and his baseless conspiracy theories. In fact the vast majority of Republicans now believe what is a complete fairy tale from a president who, whether he likes it or not, has just a few short weeks left in office. What is the significance of this extraordinary GOP unity around what amounts to nothing less than a coup attempt, an effort to disenfranchise millions of American voters simply because they did not support Trump. We discuss with NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman and former FBI special agent and senior lecturer at Yale's Jackson Institute for Global Affairs Asha Rangappa. Don't miss it.

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    What is the Cure for Post-Trump Stress Disorder? (Asking for a Planet I Know.) Dec 07, 2020

    Donald Trump is very nearly gone. The damage he has done will take years to repair. Where do we start? Socially? Politically? Economically? At home? With the rest of the world? What should our priorities be? Are there potentially traps? We discuss with Mary Trump, author of “Too Much and Never Enough,” Max Boot of the Washington Post, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Rosa Brooks of the Georgetown University Law Center. Don’t miss this discussion of our great national To Do List.

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    The One in Which They Scare the Shit Out of You Dec 03, 2020

    We are about to enter a period of national catastrophe unlike any we have ever seen, unlike the past year, unlike wars through which we have lived. Mass death during this time is preventable if you listen to scientists and use common sense. But half the country does not. They have embraced an 11th Century combination of superstition and ignorance and are condemning their relatives, their neighbors and their friends to death. Even with a vaccine and competent administration on the horizon, the next three months will be terrible and the crisis may linger into next summer. For all these reasons, listen to this special conversation with Dr. Kavita Patel, a practicing physician who is also a former top Obama White House health policy official, Laurie Garrett, Pulitzer Prize-winning expert on pandemics, and Ryan Goodman of "Just Security" and NYU Law School. It is a conversation you will want to share with your family and friends.

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    What Comes After WTF? The Future of American Leadership in the Biden Era Nov 30, 2020

    We went from the bi-polar world to the uni-polar world to WTF. The question now is "What comes after WTF?" Is it a restoration? An attempt to squeeze out another few years of the American Century? Decline? More confusion? Or is it an effort to remake the international order in collaboration with other leading nations? We discuss with Quincy Institute co-founder and author of "Tomorrow the World" Stephen Wertheim, Georgetown University Law Center's Rosa Brooks, the American Enterprise Institute's Kori Schake and Ed Luce of the Financial Times. It is a conversation that goes to the heart of what's next in U.S. foreign and national security policy. Don't miss it.

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    Songs of Experience Nov 23, 2020

    Wait, what? A president who actually has foreign policy experience? A national security team that is not comprised of traitors, crackpots, sycophants, and corrupt relatives? Joe Biden seems to be introducing us to some old ideas that seem fresh and vibrant because they contrast so starkly with the disaster of the Trump years. His national security team is professional, smart, proven, diverse, and willing to speak their minds. We discuss who they are and where we see reason for hope or concern with our experts Rosa Brooks of Georgetown University Law Center, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and John Gans of the University of Pennsylvania. Don't miss it.

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    Megashocker: A Normal Conversation About Policy and Politics Nov 19, 2020

    We go where no one else dares: To imagine a Trumpless future, a normal American president doing normal American president-y things like making domestic and foreign policy, succeeding sometimes, faltering other times and doing his best for the American people. Yes, we bring together a great group of experts to have a discussion about what the Biden Administration is likely to look like, how it will differ from the Obama years, where successes are likely and where we have concerns. Joining the conversation are Harvard University's Stephen Walt, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ivo Daalder, former senior Obama White House staffer Dr. Kavita Patel and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School and "Just Security." It will transport you into a world you might not have thought you'd ever see again. Join us.

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    First Principles: The Surprising Truth About What America's Founders Learned from the Greeks and Romans...for Better and for Worse Nov 16, 2020

    Pulitzer Prize-winner Tom Ricks, one of America's foremost journalists and authors, has a new book called "First Principles: What America's Founders Learned from the Greeks and Romans and How That Shaped Our Country" and it could not be more timely. It challenges many assumptions about the ideas leading to America's foundings and sheds light on many of the problems we are grappling with today. Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, and host David Rothkopf discuss with Ricks what led him to write the book and some of its surprising, stirring and most-thought provoking revelations. Join us.

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    Are We Entering What Will Be the Least Festive Holiday Season in Our Lifetimes? Nov 13, 2020

    With COVID spiking we will pass over 450,000 dead of the pandemic within months. Hospitals and morgues are being stretched past capacity. The White House has given up doing anything about the crisis and is not helping the incoming administration prepare. Holiday plans for many Americans will no longer be able to include family gatherings or travel. The economic crisis lingers and the Trump Administration is engaged in an extraordinary and worrisome campaign of attacking our government from within. We discuss with Pulitzer Prize-winner Laurie Garrett, former senior Trump White House official Oliva Troye, and NYU Law School's Ryan Goodman as part of a special session that included live questions from our listeners. Don't miss this special episode.

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    Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy...But We're Not Out of the Woods Yet Nov 09, 2020

    Donald Trump's defeat is a watershed in modern U.S. history and a relief for so many of us that it may do permanent damage to the sales of Tums and headache medications. Which is a good thing. But, having said that, huge challenges remain for the US and the world. We discuss with Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law Center, Ed Luce of the Financial Times, Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute and Ben Ehrenreich, award-winning author whose most recent article is "How Do You Know When Society is About to Fall Apart?" (Ben, by the way, is Rosa's brother!). Don't miss our celebration...Deep State-style.

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    After the Past Four Years, Do We Have Enough Energy to Celebrate Properly Nov 05, 2020

    As of the posting of this latest edition of Deep State Radio, no victor had been called in the presidential race. But it seems likely Joe Biden is the next president of the United States. Will we be able to appreciate and celebrate that or will challenges to the results, a rapidly deepening COVID crisis, election irregularities, and the possibility of divided government yuck our collective yum? We discuss with Greg Sargent of the Washington Post, former Obama WH official Dr. Kavita Patel, election integrity advocate Jennifer Cohn and Ryan Goodman of NYU Law School. Don't miss it.

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    There's Got to be a Morning After Nov 04, 2020

    Someday soon Tuesday November 3 will end. It may not be for a few weeks. Our president seems to want to make sure it never ends...because when it does, likely, he will too. But someday it'll happen and we'll have to figure out what hit us and what's going to happen next. To tackle that big job, we have a special broadcast that will include an extraordinary array of commentators. During our first half we are joined by Max Boot of the Washington Post, David Sanger of the New York Times and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. In our second half, we are joined by author Mary Trump, the FT's Ed Luce, former Hillary Clinton campaign spokesperson Karen Finney and the Third Way's Mieke Eoyang. They offer insights you won't hear anywhere else. Join us.

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    What to Do When Your Politics is as Broken as Ours? Nov 02, 2020

    With Election Day looming this year, Americans began to shutter their windows, put up plywood on the storefronts and they watched National Guard troops rumble into their cities. What should be a celebration of democracy and possibilities is has gained an air of dread we've never seen in most of our lifetimes. That suggests that regardless of the election's outcome, we face much deeper problems in our society. How do we address those? We discuss with Nils Gilman of the Berggruen Institute, Rosa Brooks of Georgetown Law and Kori Schake of the American Enterprise Institute. Perhaps it is a time to ask some very fundamental questions. Please join us for this thought-provoking discussion.

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