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    Cults to Consciousness

    For the curious & compassionate. Firsthand Survivor Stories of escaping cults, high-control groups & people. 

    The Cults to Consciousness Podcast (and YouTube channel) is Hosted by Shelise Ann Sola (a former devout Mormon / CSA survivor) and her Producer husband, Jonathan Rosales. Not anti-religious but firmly anti-abuse, they aim to shed light on manipulative practices and systems, while promoting understanding and accountability. C2C has attracted a kind and engaged community who thoughtfully support their guests. Hit follow to join them on their advocacy mission! 

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    Escaping My Abuser: On the Run For 1 Year with 4 Kids Jun 18, 2025
    Show notes

    A follow up to the incredibly inspiring interview with Tia Levings, we further discuss the details of her year on the run from her abus*ve husband, and how she was able to heal.

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Watch the original interview here: How “A WELL TRAINED WIFE” Narrowly Escaped Extreme Christian Patriarchy with 4 Kids

    Pre order Tia’s book: A Well-Trained Wife

    www.tialevings.com

    Find Tia on social media!

    IG: @tialevingswriter

    https://substack.com/@tialevings

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    Regrets of an Ex-Evangelical Pentecostal Pastor (ft. Timmy Gibson) Jun 18, 2025
    Show notes

    After an open and honest conversation, we are again joined LIVE today with Timmy Gibson, a former fundamental Evangelical Pentecostal Pastor who started his own church with 300 followers. We further dive into his reflections and regrets during his time as a “Healing Evangelist” who taught his followers how to speak in tongues.

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Watch initial interview here

    Find Timmy on social media:

    Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@timmygibsonkc

    IG: @timmygibsonkc

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

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    From Isolated Catholic Cult to “Witch of Wall Street” (ft. Patricia Walsh Chadwick) Jun 17, 2025
    Show notes

    Following up her incredible interview recounting how she grew up in a religious community-turned-cult called the Center, today Patricia Walsh Chadwick joins us live to discuss what happened after.

    At the age of seventeen she was forced out of her home, leaving behind her entire family, and without access to higher education. From her first job as a receptionist at a brokerage firm, she clawed her way up the ladder—rung by rung—in that bastion of male chauvinism: Wall Street. By going to college at night, she achieved her degree in economics from Boston University, and from there, she headed to New York City. With a drive that earned her the moniker “Witch of Wall Street,” she rose from the ranks of research analyst to portfolio manager, where she was responsible for billions of dollars in pension and endowment assets. A turning point in her life was giving birth to twins at the age of forty-five, and she continued forward in her career, becoming a global partner at Invesco. At the turn of the millennium, she left Wall Street behind and embarked on a second career as a corporate board director.

    Click to watch on YouTube

    Watch her initial interview here

    Connect with Patricia on social media:

    Website: https://www.patriciachadwick.com/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/patriciachadwickauthor

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/patriciachadwick1/

    IG: @patriciawalshchadwick

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@patriciachadwick6951

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    Venmo @sheliseann

    Find us on Social media!

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    Host Instagram @sheliseann

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    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

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    Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary: Separated Children, Married Couples Ordered to Celibacy Jun 17, 2025
    Show notes

    From the age of six through her high school years, Patricia Walsh Chadwick was raised in The Center, an isolated, rural community of 100 members, including 39 children, led by Father Leonard Feeney, an excommunicated Jesuit priest, and managed with an iron fist by his spiritual alter ego, Catherine Clarke. Together, they created a monastic environment that demanded obedience, silence, chastity, and detachment from family, achieved by separating parents from their children and forbidding members to read newspapers, watch television, listen to the radio, or communicate with outsiders. Patricia defied Sister Catherine’s mission to mold her into a compliant, submissive nun. At 17, in the middle of the turbulent 1960s, she was expelled from her home in Still River, Massachusetts, without a hint of how to survive, much less thrive, in an unfamiliar and frightening world.

    Today, Patricia has had a successful 30-year career in the investment business, culminating as a Global Partner at Invesco, as she he sits on a number of corporate boards and blogs on economic, social, and political issues. Patricia is author of BREAKING GLASS: Tales from the Witch of Wall Street, as well as a previous memoir, Little Sister, where she recounts her time in the cult.

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Connect with Patricia on social media:

    Website: https://www.patriciachadwick.com/

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/patriciachadwickauthor

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/patriciachadwick1/

    IG: @patriciawalshchadwick

    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@patriciachadwick6951

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.

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    Venmo @sheliseann

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    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

    Co Producer / Host @jonathan.rosales_

    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

    00:02:55 Patricia's daughter helps her realize she grew up in a cult

    00:06:23 A small Catholic church becomes isolated and more communally oriented

    00:17:47 How chiIdren were isolated even further within the group and some of the rules they were required to follow

    00:20:44 Sister Catherine continues to isolate families while breaking the rules herself

    00:25:25 A militaristic lifestyle in the countryside of Massachusetts

    00:27:06 Restricting outside influences and stripping away individuality

    00:30:45 Still nurturing familial connections while under strict rules and job assignments

    00:34:28 A matriarchal leader in a patriarchal world and how members were indoctrinated daily

    00:39:36 How Patricia's lack of knowledge impacted her understanding of marriage

    00:41:17 How Sister Catherine's personal beliefs directly influenced the lives of many

    00:44:41 Patricia's meeting with Sister Catherine about her future

    00:50:11 How Patricia felt about leaving and how she views cult like representation in the media

    00:55:17 How Patricia was able to succeed on Wall Street after leaving the cult

    01:10:42 How other members left before and after Sister Catherine's death

    01:14:41 What Patricia's relationship with her family is like today

    01:16:28 How Patricia is doing now

    01:18:22 Linda, listen

    01:18:51 Patricia's plans for more books in the future and her role models

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    Married Gay Mormons Now Accepted by LDS Church? Jun 16, 2025
    Show notes

    The Mormon church has always claimed to be accepting of everyone including the LGBTQ+ community. However, their actions and words spoken to the congregations paint a very different picture. You can be gay, but in order to receive all the blessings from God, you must remain celibate. It has come to our attention that in some wards (congregations), openly married gay couples have not only been able to keep their membership (rather than be excommunicated), but are allowed to take the sacrament and even hold important positions in the church.

    Joined by Dillan, who was recently featured on Jubilee’s Middleground “Mormons vs Ex-Mormons”, and @nuancehoe , we discuss these monumental changes in the right direction.

    After the live, you will be automatically redirected to another live stream on Carah’s channel to hear more of Dillan’s story: https://www.youtube.com/live/tRYIIyI7fIE?si=OeCtP8XmRJltoPtJ

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Find Dillan's recent appearance on Jubliee's "Can Mormons and Ex Mormons See Eye to Eye? | Middle Ground" video here

    Check out Nuancehoe's reaction to Jublilee's video:

    Mormons BOMB In Cringeworthy Debate | ExMo Jubilee Reaction

    Check out Mormon Stories' reaction to Jubliee's video:

    "Jubilee's “Mormons vs Ex-Mormons” on Middle Ground - Ex-Mormon Cast Reacts | Ep. 186"

    Mormon Stories Episode further expanding on the topic:

    Married Gay Mormons Get Sacrament and Callings

    Find Dillan Conrad on IG @dillanconrad

    Follow and Support Carah!

    YouTube: @carrahburrell

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    Tiktok: @nuancehoe

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    Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.

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    Venmo @sheliseann

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    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

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    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

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    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    The Mormon Death March The Church Doesn’t Want You To Know About Jun 16, 2025
    Show notes

    This horrifying, avoidable tragedy is something the LDS church lies about to its members to promote faith. In reality, greed and purposely cutting corners led faithful saints to a horrible fate.

    Join @nuancehoe and I as we read actual journal entries from people who took this perilous 1300 mile trek to settle Utah.

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Read “Devil’s Gate: Brigham Young and the Great Mormon Handcart Tragedy”

    Follow and Support Carah!

    YouTube: @carrahburrell

    Instagram: @nuancehoe

    Tiktok: @nuancehoe

    Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nuancehoe

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    Venmo @sheliseann

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    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

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    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    Mormonism, Explained ft. Carah Burrell Jun 16, 2025
    Show notes

    More dangerous Mormon propaganda explained and your questions answered with Carrah Burrell!

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Follow and Support Carah!

    YouTube: @carrahburrell

    YouTube: @carrahburrell

    Instagram: @nuancehoe

    Tiktok: @nuancehoe

    Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nuancehoe

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

    Subscribe to our C2C "CLIPS" Channel!

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    Host Instagram @sheliseann

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    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare ALL Notes ft. Apostate Aladdin Jun 13, 2025
    Show notes

    After a preliminary discussion about the many similarities between Islam and Mormonism, tonight we go into further detail with @apostatealaddin who grew up in the purity culture of Islam within Saudi Arabia. Join us as we compare and contrast the rest of the list.

    Click here to watch pt. 1

    Click here to watch pt. 2

    Click here to watch pt. 3 (this episode)

    You can watch his full interview here

    Find Apostate Aladdin

    YouTube: @ApostateAladdin

    IG: @apostatealaddin

    LinkTree https://linktr.ee/ApostateAladdin

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    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

    Co Producer / Host @jonathan.rosales_

    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare Notes ft. Apostate Aladdin Jun 13, 2025
    Show notes

    After an incredible conversation with @apostatealaddin about the purity culture he grew up in within Islam in Saudi Arabia, we realized there were many similarities between Islam and Mormonism. Join us today as we compare and contrast a full list.

    Make sure to stay on after our livestream has ended to be automatically directed to Apostate Aladdin's channel, where we will finish the conversation.

    Click here to watch this interview (pt 1)

    You can watch his full interview here

    Find Apostate Aladdin

    YouTube: @ApostateAladdin

    IG: @apostatealaddin

    LinkTree https://linktr.ee/ApostateAladdin

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.

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    Venmo @sheliseann

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    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

    Co Producer / Host @jonathan.rosales_

    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**


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    Extremists Threaten YouTuber for Speaking Out After Leaving Islam ft. Apostate Aladdin ​ Jun 13, 2025
    Show notes

    ​ @ApostateAladdin grew up in Saudi Arabia which is a Muslim majority country with strict laws originating from Islam. After going abroad to college, he recognized his learned racism, bigotry and bias was a direct reflection of the religion he was raised in. A deep dive into the theology, history and hadiths made him question everything, including his own ethics. He details how research and deep critical thinking led him to leave Islam behind, and what the consequences are of speaking out on his YouTube channel.

    Click here to watch on YouTube

    Watch his previous episodes here:

    Ex-Muslim Opens Up About Sex and Islam in Saudi Arabia | The Story of @ApostateAladdin

    An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare Notes ft. @ApostateAladdin

    https://www.youtube.com/live/g0xEu2cacEo?si=TwWZtNPOLVeOZuA9

    An Ex-Mormon & Ex-Muslim Compare ALL Notes ft. @ApostateAladdin

    Find Apostate Aladdin on Social!

    YouTube @ApostateAladdin

    IG: @apostatealaddin

    LinkTree https://linktr.ee/ApostateAladdin

    We want to meet you in real life! Come adventure with us on our 2nd C2C VACATION! Click here to go to the official booking page

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    Support C2C - Any donations are welcome and appreciated to support the making of this podcast.

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    Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cultstoconsciousness

    Venmo @sheliseann

    Find us on Social media!

    Instagram @cultstoconsciousness

    Host Instagram @sheliseann

    Co Producer / Host @jonathan.rosales_

    TikTok @cults.to.consciousness

    Twitter @cultstocon

    **Disclaimer: Thanks for joining us at Cults to Consciousness. This storytelling podcast is meant to be for entertainment purposes only and does not substitute for medical advice. We may discuss triggering topics and we ask that you make your personal mental health a priority. Lastly, the opinions of our guests do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host.**

    00:04:34 Apostate Aladdin's life growing up in Saudi Arabia

    00:07:03 How Apostate Aladdin's experiences with non Muslims deviated from what the Quran teaches

    00:09:25 Islam: A religion of peace or a religion of violence

    00:10:54 How a lack of context surrounding the Quran can lead to Islamic extremism

    00:12:43 How beginning to question Islam impacted Apostate Aladdin

    00:15:11 Other aspects of the Quran that led Apostate Aladdin to question Islam

    00:17:27 When living a strict religious lifestyle doesn't provide answers to questions and doubts

    00:21:32 Breaking core doctrine as step in the deconstruction process

    00:24:50 Overcorrection after leaving and managing emotions effectively

    00:27:41 The importance of having emotional outlets and having a community

    00:31:40 Have empathy for those disparaging you

    00:33:18 The role of labels and identity when leaving a high demand religion

    00:36:49 When the status of someone's personal beliefs is a bigger deal to others than it is to them

    00:37:59 Realities of speaking out against Islam and the very real threats that people face

    00:42:44 What the justifications are for extreme laws regarding those who leave Islam or speak out about it

    00:44:52 How the idea of a perfect Islamic practice can cause harm to others

    00:47:09 The importance of nuance and different sects in the discussion of Islam

    00:49:44 How Islam is growing so quickly and is on track to surpass Christianity in numbers

    00:52:41 How identity and taking your time to find your identity after leaving Islam is important

    00:54:07 How Apostate Aladdin chose his name

    00:54:57 Advice for those who are leaving a high demand religion

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