Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks

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**Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks**

A podcast by 9Marks, with Garrett Kell, Hayley Satrom, and Deepak Reju.

Latest Episodes:

On Medications (Ep. 44) Mar 02, 2026

Show notes

Deepak, Hayley, and Garrett talk about the good and bad about medications and working with doctors.
Resources Mentioned

Descriptions and Prescriptions by Michael Emlet
Listening to Prozac…and to the Scriptures Article by Michael Emlet
Can We Be Positive About Psychiatric Medications? Article by Ed Welch
Why do we seem negative about psychiatric medications? Article by Ed Welch

Ed Welch on Depression (Ep. 43) Feb 16, 2026

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Deepak, Hayley and Garrett interview counselor and author Ed Welch about the experience of depression and how to minister to those who suffer from it.

Depression Part 3 (Ep. 42) Feb 02, 2026

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Garrett, Hayley and Deepak share how to care for a friend struggling with depression.
Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch (31-day Devotional)
Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness by Ed Welch
“Tortured, Imperfect, and Held by Jesus” – article by Garrett Kell

Depression Part 2 (Ep. 41) Jan 19, 2026

Show notes

Hayley, Deepak and Garrett talk about depression and how to think about depression as complicated suffering.
Resources Mentioned
Depression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch (31-day Devotional)
Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness by Ed Welch
“Tortured, Imperfect, and Held by Jesus” – article by Garrett Kell

On Depression Part 1 (Ep. 40) Jan 05, 2026

Show notes

Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about what the Bible says about depression. Warning label: This episode also talks about a depressed person’s battle with suicide.
Resources Mentioned
Depression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch
Spurgeon’s Sorrows by Zack Eswine

On How to Apologize (Ep. 39) Dec 22, 2025

Show notes

Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about how to offer a good or bad apology and why we struggle to apologize.
Resources Mentioned
The Peacemaker by Ken Sande

On Anger, with Chris Moles (Ep. 38) Dec 08, 2025

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Garrett, Deepak and Hayley interview pastor and counselor Chris Moles, who says you can’t bully a bully. You change a person’s anger with kindness, compassion and forgiveness.
Resources Mentioned

On Anger Part 3 (Ep. 37) Nov 24, 2025

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Garrett, Hayley and Deepak explore redemptive strategies for dealing with anger problems and growing in faith in Christ.
Books Mentioned

Anger: Calming Your Heart (31-Day Devotional) by Robert D. Jones
A Small Book for The Anxious Heart by Edward T. Welch
The Peacemaker by Ken Sande
War of Words by Paul David Tripp

Other Resources

"Moving Toward, Away and Against" Chart (This chart is from the CCEF Marriage Counseling course taught by Winston Smith, 2010)
Bible Verses on Anger

On Anger Part 2 (Ep. 36) Nov 10, 2025

Show notes

Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about how people change when they're wrestling with anger. What should we believe, say, think and do if we want to overcome our anger.
Resources mentioned:
The Heart of Anger by Steve Midgley and Christopher Ash
Angry Children: Understanding and Helping Your Children Regain Control by Mike Emlet (Booklet)

On Anger Part 1 (Ep. 35) Oct 27, 2025

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Garrett, Deepak and Hayley introduce the topic of anger and reflect on their own struggles and encounters with it. They explore the complexity of anger—how it can be both righteous and sinful, hot and cold. The discussion sets the foundation for upcoming episodes on addressing and counseling anger in a Christ-centered way.
Resources mentioned:
Good and Angry by David Powlison
Controlling Anger (Mini-book) by David Powlison
Uprooting Anger by Robert D. Jones
The Heart of Anger by Christopher Ash & Steve Midgley
Anger: Escaping The Maze (Mini-book from P&R Publishing)

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