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What Stuck: Reading Pope Francis a Year Later Apr 20, 2026

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A year after his death, the Catholic Church is moving forward—and revealing what Francis actually changed.

While he was alive, Francis' papacy was interpreted in real time: praised, criticized and debated. It was difficult to separate what was truly changing from what simply felt different because of him.

Now, the Church moves forward, and this movement offers something new. A chance to see what was durable.

What still feels like Francis? What has been absorbed into the Church’s way of operating? And what, if anything, has already begun to fade?

In this episode, we step back from the moment-to-moment reactions and take a first real look at Pope Francis in hindsight. Not to revisit his papacy, but to understand it differently—through what we can now see.

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What If the Most Powerful American in the World Isn't Who You Think? Apr 15, 2026

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The playbook for dismissing a pope just stopped working.

Trump called Pope Leo weak. Catholics — including some of Trump's own — aren't buying it. Vatican reporter Claire Giangravé joins Amanda Henderson to explain why Leo, a Chicago-born American pope, can't be dismissed the way his predecessors were, what his quiet first year was actually building toward, and whether the unlikely Catholic coalition forming behind him can hold.

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He Survived Conversion Therapy. The Supreme Court Just Made it Legal Again Apr 06, 2026

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Tim Schrader Rodriguez spent eight years trying to "pray out the gay". He modulated his voice. He stopped listening to music with female lead singers. He sat weekly with a therapist who watched him come apart — and said nothing.

Last week, the Supreme Court ruled 8–1 that therapists have a First Amendment right to pursue conversion therapy with their patients, upending a Colorado ban on the practice.

This isn't history, nor is it a Colorado-only case. Bans that advocates spent years winning in state after state will unravel.

The number of LGBTQ youth being engaged in conversion practices nearly doubled in the last year alone — from 10 to 20 percent.

What Tim's story makes clear is how ordinary this harm looks from the outside. It's not electroshock. It's not boot camps. It's a weekly therapy appointment. It's a trusted relationship. It's the promise that if you pray hard enough and want it badly enough, God will change you.

And when it doesn't work, the program tells you that's your fault too.

Amanda Henderson talks with Tim this week about what eight years inside that world actually felt like — and what it means that the one protected space survivors thought they still had is now gone.

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The Myth of Sudden Change: How the First Woman Archbishop Got There Mar 30, 2026

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When Sarah Mullally was installed as Archbishop of Canterbury, it looked like a breakthrough. It was. But it didn't happen by accident.

In this episode, Amanda Henderson talks with Catherine Pepinster, a journalist who reported on Mullally's rise and the network who helped make it possible. Before women could even become bishops in the Church of England, a small group of clergy saw a gap: being allowed to lead and actually getting there are two very different things. So they built Leading Women, a mentoring organization designed to prepare female candidates for leadership inside one of the world's oldest institutional churches — one still embedded in British parliamentary life and still navigating deep divisions over sexuality and abuse.

Pepinster traces Mullally's path from chief nurse of Britain's National Health Service to the most powerful seat in Anglican Christianity — a woman who has reached the top of two professions in one lifetime. She also maps what Mullally is walking into: an institution in numerical decline that still sits at the center of British public life, now led by a woman who will serve only six years and inherit two unresolved crises her predecessor couldn't survive.

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Are You a Starseed? The Search for Meaning, Rewritten Mar 23, 2026

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Inside a growing spiritual movement built around awakening, ascension, and the search for something bigger

At a packed conference in Los Angeles, thousands of people gathered to explore a different way of understanding reality—through crystals, energy healing, and the belief that some humans didn’t originate on Earth.

They’re called starseeds: people who believe they were sent here from other planets to help humanity “ascend” to a higher dimension.

According to our guest RNS reporter Kathryn Post, it might sound fringe. But the deeper you go, the more familiar the underlying search begins to feel.

Because the people drawn to this world aren’t so different from anyone else. They’re looking for meaning, for purpose, for a way to make sense of suffering. And increasingly, they’re finding those answers online—through influencers, shared language, and communities that have no central authority.

But as these beliefs spread, they’re also evolving. In some cases, blending with conspiracy theories about hidden elites, cosmic battles, and the end of the world as we know it.

So what happens when belief becomes entirely personal—but still somehow shared?

And how do you tell the difference between a spiritual search… and something more dangerous?

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Texas Created a Program to Fund Religious Schools. So Why Are Muslim Schools Missing? Mar 17, 2026

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Muslim families in Texas are asking: does school choice include us?

A Houston father went to enroll his kids in Texas's new school voucher program and discovered his school wasn't on the list — along with every other Islamic school in the state. Texas launched one of the country's largest school choice programs promising families public funds for religious private schools, but roughly a hundred Muslim schools were excluded without official explanation. State officials have posted publicly about not funding schools tied to terrorist organizations, pointing to Governor Abbott's designation of CAIR as a foreign terrorist organization — a designation the federal government has not made. Now families are suing with a March 17th deadline bearing down. Amanda Henderson talks with RNS reporter Fiona André and editor-in-chief Paul O'Donnell about the lawsuits, the communities affected, and what this moment reveals about who "school choice" was really built for.

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Baptizing the Battlefield: Pete Hegseth's Holy War at the Pentagon Mar 11, 2026

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When the podium becomes a pulpit.

At a Pentagon press briefing this week, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth closed his remarks with a reading from the Book of Psalms and ended with "Amen." Press briefings don't usually end that way. RNS reporter Jack Jenkins joins Amanda Henderson to trace how we got here — from monthly worship services in the Pentagon auditorium to biblical scripture overlaid on weapons systems to a Secretary of War who told his troops the nation needed to be "on bended knee, recognizing the providence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

When the podium becomes a pulpit, what happens to everything else? That question hasn't gotten easier.

00:00 — Introduction: When the Podium Becomes a Pulpit

01:27 — The Original Episode: Setting the Scene

02:41 — The Generals' Meeting and the Warrior Ethos

05:14 — Christianity in the Military: Civil Religion vs. Hegseth's Faith

06:57 — "SecWar's Worship Service": The Pentagon Prayer Series

07:59 — Bible Verses Over Fighter Jets: The Social Media Campaign

10:15 — Recruitment, Viral Content, and Capital-B Believers

12:50 — The Theological Question: Faith as Military Doctrine

15:17 — Pushback — and Why It's Hard to Find

17:14 — Closing: The Baptism of the Military

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From Purity Rings to Shooting Your Dog: How Christian Womanhood Went MAGA Mar 02, 2026

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When empathy became toxic and cruelty became strength for Christian women.

Christian womanhood has changed—and not in the ways many expected. In this episode, Amanda Henderson talks with the co-hosts of the Saved By The City podcast Katelyn Beaty and Roxanne Stone about the shift from 1990s purity culture to today’s trad wives, MAGA moms, and warnings against “toxic empathy.”

They unpack how pandemic burnout, influencer culture, and widening political gender gaps reshaped the ideal Christian woman—and why empathy itself has become a flashpoint.

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What's Next for American Jews and Israel? A Half-Century of Consensus Weakens. Feb 23, 2026

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Are six decades of solidarity giving way to generational strain?

For much of the last half-century, support for Israel was a defining pillar of American Jewish life. It shaped institutions, philanthropy, politics, and identity. The consensus wasn’t always quiet — but it was broad.

Today, that consensus is under strain.

Younger American Jews — many raised in synagogues, camps, and on Birthright trips — are expressing a different relationship to Israel than their parents and grandparents. Some are building alternative communities. Some are challenging legacy organizations. Some are questioning whether Israel should remain the organizing center of American Jewish life at all.

Meanwhile, established institutions are responding with urgency — and anxiety – warning of rising antisemitism, political danger, and fractures that could reshape the community for decades.

This tension didn’t begin on October 7. But October 7 — and the war that followed — has intensified it.

Religion reporter Yonat Shimron joins us to trace the full arc: from postwar American Jewish flourishing, to decades of near-consensus, to the generational and institutional rupture unfolding now.

What changed? Who gets to define Jewish responsibility? And what happens next?

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When Trauma Becomes Identity: What Young Jews Are Learning After October 7 Feb 16, 2026

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"We're the people everyone hates." That's what Rabbi Steven Burg hears when he asks young Jews who they are.

October 7 accelerated this. In the aftermath of the attacks, lines were drawn between support for an occupied Gaza and the security of the Jewish state and people. Progressive coalitions found themselves fracturing. Interfaith partnerships strained to stay together. Students found themselves abandoned by people they thought were allies. But Burg says the problem runs deeper than politics.

In this episode, host Amanda Henderson talks with Rabbi Steven Burg about what happens to religious identity when an entire generation can only define themselves by who hates them—and what it takes to move from trauma to something they're actually for.

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