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    Clause 8

    Clause 8 is the long-form IP podcast hosted by Eli Mazour, featuring conversations with the people and forces shaping the patent system.

    Its audience includes sophisticated in-house counsel, judges, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, patent dealmakers, and leading practitioners. The show is designed to help listeners stay ahead of the curve by understanding not just the latest patent developments, but the personalities, incentives, and institutions behind them.

    Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insight into patent law, policy, innovation, licensing, and other issues affecting the IP community. Past guests have included major American innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, senior IP staff on Capitol Hill, in-house leaders, patent dealmakers — and Carole Baskin’s attorney from Tiger King.

    Law360 featured Clause 8 first in its 2026 list of “5 Podcasts to Keep IP Attys Entertained and Informed,” describing its guests as “a bit of a who’s who of IP law.”

    Clause 8 has also been covered or cited by Bloomberg, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, Original Jurisdiction, and other publications.

    www.voiceofip.com

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    Latest Episodes:
    Soft IP in the Start-up Nation with Ariel Dubinsky Dec 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Earlier this year, Eli had the opportunity to spend a day in Israel with Ariel Dubinsky, the founder and owner of Ariel Dubinsky Law Firm. While there, Eli learned that Ariel is at the heart of Israel’s dynamic intellectual property ecosystem. Ariel mainly focuses on trademarks and copyright, which is increasingly important for the so-called “Startup Nation” which saw a record breaking $10.5 billion in startup acquisitions just this year.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    What’s Keeping Corporate IP Leaders Awake These Days Dec 03, 2024
    Show notes

    In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour takes us behind the scenes of the Consero IP Forum, where he spoke with IP leaders about common pain points and solutions. Guests include:

    * Dimitri Kirimis, Lead Counsel at Cruise

    * Scott Miller, Chief IP Counsel at Zoetis

    * Joel Meyer, VP of IP and Innovation Strategy at Digimarc

    * Praveer Gupta, Director of Patents and Innovation Strategy at Uniphore


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Building an IP Strategy for the Final Frontier: A Conversation with Bridget Smith of Relativity Space 🚀 Nov 19, 2024
    Show notes

    This week’s Clause 8 episode features Bridget Smith, Assistant General Counsel and Director, Intellectual Property at Relativity Space—the first company to successfully create and launch a 3D-printed rocket. 🚀

    Bridget, who previously made waves as a top PTAB practitioner, is now at the helm of IP strategy at Relativity Space, where she’s implementing an innovative approach to IP by using a trade secrets registry. In an industry that moves at light speed, Bridget’s focus on tracking and protecting proprietary know-how is as critical as her work with patents.

    In this episode:

    * How Bridget established a trade secrets registry that captures and protects a vast amount of innovation efficiently.

    * How the specific needs and exposure of the space industry affects Relativity Space’s balance of trade secrets and patents.

    * Why Bridget thinks of IP management as understanding what keeps business leaders up at night.

    * How she maintains adaptability and foresight when working with groundbreaking tech.

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Exclusive: USPTO AI Co-Chairs Reassure Stakeholders on Guidance & Share Journey of Shaping USPTO's Approach to AI Nov 05, 2024
    Show notes

    Jerry Ma, Director of Emerging Technologies and Chief AI Officer, and Charles Kim, Deputy Commissioner for the USPTO tell story of co-chairing USPTO's AI working group - sharing insights on USPTO's AI tools guidance, applying §101 for AI-related inventions, and leveraging AI for examination.

    Together, the two co-lead a group working on AI efforts and according to Jerry are focused on “a human first vision for AI at the agency.”

    In the episode, host Eli Mazour explores how Jerry and Charles led USPTO’s efforts to deal with AI advancements on the policy front & leverage AI technology to improve USPTO’s own operations before ChatGPT was even a thing. The two leaders come from diverse backgrounds—Jerry with deep experience in Silicon Valley’s tech sector, and Charles with decades of IP and regulatory expertise at the USPTO.

    Selected Topics

    Start of USPTO’s AI working group, originally co-chaired by Charles Kim and Deputy Director Coke Morgan Stewart, to tackle §101/patent eligibility issues related to AI

    Expansion of AI working group to coordinate AI related activities across the USPTO, including exploring leveraging AI technology for patent examination

    Jerry Ma’s story of joining the USPTO from Silicon Valley to be Director of Emerging Technologies and taking on role as co-chair of working group

    How AI implementation at the USPTO relies on cross-disciplinary teams drawing expertise from law, technology, and policy

    Working groups’ efforts to engage with outside stakeholders through the AI/ET Partnership Series to create informed policies around AI and patent eligibility

    USPTO’s guidance on (1) use of AI-based tools, (2) AI-assisted inventions, and (3) AI subject matter eligibility and responses to related push-back

    USPTO’s current use of AI technology & future plans to further leverage AI technology to empower examiners

    Role of AI working group as AI becomes widely used within USPTO

    Advice for other organizations exploring implementation of AI


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    IP Strategy at Walmart: Balancing Innovation, Protection, and Practicality in a Global Retail Giant Oct 22, 2024
    Show notes

    In the ever-evolving world of retail, where technology and innovation are reshaping the industry, managing intellectual property has never been more important. Sri Atluri, Walmart’s Chief IP Counsel, knows this all too well.

    In this episode of Clause 8 with host Eli Mazour, Sri emphasizes the critical balance between protecting innovations and fostering strategic growth within Walmart’s technological initiatives. She argues for the necessity of continual IP enforcement, detailing how both protection and litigation play essential roles in maintaining Walmart’s competitive advantage. Sri also discusses the evolving landscape of e-commerce and the challenges posed by Section 101 and patent eligibility.

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Qualcomm's General Counsel Ann Chaplin on Patents Fueling Innovation Oct 08, 2024
    Show notes

    In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour speaks with Ann Cathcart Chaplin at the Qualcomm Museum, which is right at the heart of Qualcomm’s headquarters in San Diego. Ann shares her journey from being an IP litigator to in-house counsel and from GM to Qualcomm.

    As General Counsel of Qualcomm, Ann oversees all legal matters for the world’s leading innovator of connectivity solutions. Before Qualcomm, she served in a variety of deputy general counsel roles at General Motors (GM). Ann spent most of her career prior to that focused on IP litigation, including as litigation practice group leader at one of the world’s biggest IP firms.

    Her leadership experience at a major auto company before joining Qualcomm provides her with a unique vantage point about the role of standard essential patents (SEPs), the relationship between cellular innovators like Qualcomm and auto companies, and the surrounding debates.

    From her beginnings in Minnesota, initial aspiration to become a public defender as a Harvard Law student, and eventual transition into IP litigation, Ann shares her unlikely journey. Now at Qualcomm, she touches on the challenges and opportunities of navigating IP issues in one of America's most significant and innovative tech companies, which relies heavily on a functioning IP system that promotes innovation.

    Ann Chaplin's transition from IP litigation at a law firm to in-house counsel at GM is a significant highlight of this episode. She discusses adapting her IP litigation skills to address GM's pressing legal concerns, including for diverse fields such as product liability, class actions, and corporate governance,. Ann's role at Qualcomm involves overseeing IP and licensing, emphasizing its critical role in driving innovation. Her key concerns include attacks on the patent system and the need for policies that support sustainable R&D investments.

    Check out the full VIDEO Interview on Voice of IP

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Avanci Vehicle President Laurie Fitzgerald on Building SEP's Field of Dreams Sep 24, 2024
    Show notes

    Laurie Fitzgerald joins Eli to tell the story of how she led Avanci to an 8-year overnight success. Avanci’s pioneering efforts to provide an efficient, simpler option for the automotive industry to license cellular SEPs are now widely heralded as one of the greatest stories of successful innovation in the patent world. Laurie, who has been with Avanci since 2018, shares her journey and the strategic decisions behind the one-stop shop licensing platform that now boasts participation from 70 licensors and 100 automotive brands.

    The discussion highlights how Avanci navigated the complexities of linking cellular innovators with automotive manufacturers, detailing how they established a uniform licensing fee and why this model works efficiently for both licensors and licensees. They discuss the role of independent patent evaluations, the challenges of negotiating acceptable agreements among varied stakeholders, the process for determining royalty allocations, and what others can learn from Avanci about how the private sector can provide efficient solutions for SEP licensing.

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Alec Sorensen on Keeping IP Rembrandts Out of the Attic Sep 10, 2024
    Show notes

    What is the value of protecting intellectual property (IP)?

    That’s the fundamental question that most Chief IP Counsel need time to answer to help their companies succeed. However, they’re often bogged down by the daily demands of leading teams that are doing what’s necessary to make sure that they’re obtaining the necessary IP protection. When they do have a chance to pose and answer that question to business executives, they quickly realize that those business executives are concerned with more pressing issues. When they succeed and those business executives start getting excited about the potential value of protecting IP, in-house counsel has the added responsibility of making sure they can follow-through.

    In this episode of Clause 8, Eli sits down with the founder & CEO of Tradespace, Alec Sorensen, to discuss potential strategies for in-house counsel facing these challenges. Alec talks about how he first discovered these challenges of in-house IP counsel while being asked to wade through messy IP portfolios of acquired companies as a management consultant. He explains how he was able to facilitate over $250 million in commercialization deals in that role and how that led him to found Tradespace to help in-house counsel set up their companies for similar success.

    Eli and Alec explore the complexities of IP development and the potential to unlock hidden value in patent portfolios, how and when to communicate with the C-suite about IP, how IP teams can get other parts of the company become champions for its role, the role that commercialization plays for Tradespace tools, and much more!

    Selected Topics

    * How lean, efficient IP teams are able to contribute to business success

    * IP team demands leading to lack of business relationships

    * Handling analysis paralysis in IP with analytics

    * Strategic IP questions for a new CEO

    * Successful IP strategies for universities

    * Role of AI in empowering IP decision-making

    * Risk of AI diminishing human judgement

    * Advice for tech entrepreneurs in the IP space

    * Customers using Tradespace to create better processes

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Re-Release: The Great 101 Debate Sep 03, 2024
    Show notes

    We’re looking forward to sharing new episodes from this season starting next Tuesday, including special video episodes on www.VoiceOfIP.com and a series of interviews with the most significant corporate IP leaders in America.

    In the meantime, we wanted to share episodes released this summer:

    Former USPTO Director Andrei Iancu and HTIA’s David Jones found a surprising amount of agreement regarding Section 101 on the first ever Clause 8 debate

    Iancu & Jones Debate Section 101 and Find Common Ground

    Federal Circuit Judge Timothy Dyk shed light on what’s going on at the court by discussing his memoir, Timothy B. Dyk: The Education of a Federal Judge

    Judge Dyk Defends Today's Federal Circuit

    RNA Law’s cofounders - Rob Rodriguez and Tatiana Alves - discussed everything you need to know about Brazil’s booming patent system

    Brazil Becoming the Mecca for Patent Enforcement & Chief IP Counsel Seeking Valuable Patents

    Erich Spangenberg shared the secrets to his success - "very few people want to start out wearing the black hat. I just embraced it" . . . and his plans for IPwe

    Erich Spangenberg on How to Succeed in Patent Monetization

    Chief IP Counsel at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and former General Patent Counsel at Eli Lilly - revealed why Eli Lilly slashed its patent filings and talked about how the administration’s march-in proposal is already scaring away pharma companies from pursuing promising treatments

    Moneyball for Pharma Patents with Chief IP Counsel Steve Caltrider

    Florian Mueller - currently of IP Fray and formerly of FOSS Patents blog - kicked of this season by sharing his remarkable journey from leading a major fight against pro-software patent legislation in Europe to becoming one of the most influential voices in the IP world

    IP Fray's Legendary Publisher on What Will Happen with EU's SEP Regulation & AI’s Impact on Patent Law

    *Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and is intended as a general overview. The podcast does not constitute legal advice nor solicitation to provide legal services. It is not meant to convey a legal position, nor is it intended to convey specific legal advice. The opinions expressed are solely my own and those of any guests and do not express the views or opinions of any organization with which I or the guests are affiliated. In some jurisdictions, the contents of this podcasts may be considered Attorney Advertising.


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

    Judge Dyk Defends Today's Federal Circuit Aug 20, 2024
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    Federal Circuit Judge Timothy Dyk discusses his memoir and provides priceless insights into how the Federal Circuit is operating today - 42 years after it was created in 1982 and 24 years after Dyk was confirmed to serve on it in 2000.

    This episode explores Dyk's perspectives on judges serving together at the Federal Circuit. His reflections and anecdotes offer a unique glimpse into the workings of the Federal Circuit, the decision-making process of a seasoned appellate judge, and various debates surrounding the Federal Circuit and judges retiring.

    Dyk was nominated to the Federal Circuit in 1998 by President Bill Clinton after clerking for Earl Warren at the Supreme Court and a distinguished career as an appellate attorney at the law firms of Wilmer Cutler and Jones Day.

    Selected Topics:

    * First introduction to patent law: office linoleum floors & yacht named Pat Pending

    * Role of chief judges setting court dynamics

    * Collegiality, dissents, and importance of individual personalities & relationships among judges

    * Judge Dyk's process for considering cases before oral arguments

    * Dyk’s defense of Rule 36 decisions and insights into other Federal Circuit practices

    * Panel dependency & skepticism of empirical scholarship related to judicial decisions

    * Former clerks arguing cases before judges they clerked for

    * Providing additional jurisdiction to Federal Circuit

    * Cameras in federal courtrooms & privacy in intra-court deliberations

    * Judicial retirement decisions and importance of humility

    * Advice for effective oral and written advocacy before the Federal Circuit, including for amicus briefs

    Notable, Quotable:

    Biggest challenge

    "I think the biggest challenge for any Federal Circuit Judge in patent cases in particular is is dealing with the technology . . . getting the help that you need to understand the technology. It’s really hard. And we need help from the bar, we need help from our clerks, and we need to be willing to spend a lot of time to wade through it."

    Role of collegiality

    "Collegiality makes for better decision making, first of all. And second of all, it makes it a nicer place to be. You get along with your colleagues. The job is a lot better."

    Qualities of best written briefs

    "A brief that is candid about what's going on, that recognizes that there's another side to it, that's nothing shrill, that's statesman like, that's objective. Those are the qualities that we value most."

    On Judge Pauline Newman

    “I always enjoyed sitting with Judge Newman. I enjoyed having Judge Newman as a colleague and occasionally we did panels together. I remember we went to NYU and presented ourselves as being close colleagues even though we disagreed a lot of the time. Judge Newman was a terrific colleague, and I enjoyed being her friend.”

    Disclaimer


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

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