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    Call Your Sister with Joy & Jinger

    Jinger and Joy have learned early that you can get through anything if you’ve got a sister on the phone. Now, years after life on TLC’s Counting On and 19 Kids and Counting, they’re picking up where their late-night talks always left off.

    Marriage, motherhood, faith, growing up in a house full of siblings, and the stuff you’d only ever say out loud to a sister — this is real talk between two sisters, no script and no filter. Jinger Vuolo and Joy Forsyth let you in on the conversations that usually happen behind closed doors.

    New episodes every week. Because sometimes, you just need to call your sister.

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    Jinger’s First Heartbreak & the Guy She Thought She’d Marry Oct 14, 2026
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    Hey guys, it’s Jinger! This week on Call Your Sister, Joy and I are talking about our first heartbreaks. Joy hasn’t had a classic heartbreak story, so she turned the tables and interviewed me. We start with our first crushes and Joy’s story of sitting through Austin’s plans to ask another girl out when she was 16, and how she tried to be supportive while hoping it wouldn’t work out.

    Then I share my first real heartbreak: a long-distance friendship in my early teens that our parents wisely ended because we were too young.

    We also get into growing up in a very formal courtship culture, when 20-plus guys would ask about the girls in our family over a couple of years, and why I turned them all down for a crush I barely knew. Then Jeremy came into the picture and changed everything.

    We close with advice for any teenage girl going through heartbreak: find your identity in Christ, surround yourself with good friends and accountability, and reach out for help right away if you’re struggling with body image or food.

    Topics covered: first heartbreak, teenage crushes, courtship vs. dating, Christian dating advice, body image and eating disorder recovery, finding identity in Christ, comparison and insecurity in marriage, how we met Jeremy and Austin, advice for teen girls, sisters podcast

    🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister with Joy and Jinger every week. Subscribe so you don’t miss out!


    00:00:00 - First Heartbreaks and Early Crushes

    00:02:44 - Joy’s Crush on Austin

    00:06:44 - Jinger’s First Heartbreak

    00:08:08 - How Relational Stress Affected Jinger’s Health

    00:11:41 - Recognizing an Eating Disorder and Asking for Help

    00:15:28 - Faith, Identity, and Recovery

    00:17:48 - From a First Crush to New Possibilities

    00:21:23 - Choosing Jeremy Over a Longtime Crush

    00:26:48 - Learning to Accept Each Other’s Past

    00:30:50 - Finding Freedom from Self-Criticism in Marriage and Motherhood

    00:34:54 - Advice for Teens Facing Heartbreak and Body Image Struggles

    00:39:28 - Trusting God’s Plan Through Heartbreak

    00:41:52 - Lessons Learned and Final Encouragement

    #Parenting⁠ ⁠#Motherhood⁠ ⁠#MomLife⁠ ⁠#ParentingTips⁠ ⁠#RaisingKids⁠

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    Joy & Jinger: Driving at 14, Grandma's Road Rules & Taking a Big Rig to the Dentist Oct 07, 2026
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    This week on Call Your Sister, Joy and I are talking all things learning to drive. We grew up in Arkansas, where you can get your permit at 14 with a quick written test, and our dad taught us to drive long before any of that. We started on the weed eater, worked up to the lawnmower, then moved on to the golf cart and ATV, and eventually got behind the wheel of a car. We swap stories about our driving tests and our first time on the interstate. We also talk about what it was like to be a new driver (or a passenger with a new driver!) in a 15-passenger van full of siblings, and about the near misses and close calls we've had along the way, including a very close call with a pole in a parking lot just the other day. Then we get into cars. We talk about our first cars, including one I still have, why we're loyal to Toyotas, and Joy's insurance auctions and salvage-title finds that Austin fixes up in their yard. We admit to being terrible backseat drivers and control freaks who volunteer to drive on every girls' trip. We also talk about teaching our own kids someday, from Gideon learning to run a skid steer at eight years old to the viral stories of little kids driving themselves to McDonald's (please lock up your keys!). We finish with our favorite family road trip memories, from Cracker Barrel jawbreakers to the RV trip out west and the dude ranch. If you remember your first time behind the wheel, or you're dreading teaching your own teenager to drive, this one is for you. Topics covered: learning to drive, teaching teens to drive, driving at 14 in Arkansas, first car stories, backseat drivers, driving safety tips, road trip memories, buying cars at auction, growing up in a big family, sisters podcast 🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister with Joy and Jinger every week. Subscribe so you don't miss out! #Parenting⁠ ⁠#Motherhood⁠ ⁠#MomLife⁠ ⁠#ParentingTips⁠ ⁠#RaisingKids⁠ OUR INCREDIBLE SPONSORS: BROOKLYN BEDDING: Brooklyn Bedding has been around for over 25 years, known for top-of-the-line comfort and quality without the luxury price tag. Go to ⁠https://brooklynbedding.com⁠ and use my promo code JINGER at checkout to get 30% off sitewide.

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    Joy & Jinger: Wedding Day Secrets & What Wasn't on TV Sep 30, 2026
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    This week on Call Your Sister, Joy and I are talking all things weddings — the details nobody remembers but felt huge in the moment, the stuff we'd actually change if we could do it again, and the behind-the-scenes reality of getting married while being filmed for TV. I open up about a wedding-day timing mistake that cost us almost all our golden-hour photos and most of our time greeting guests at the reception, plus a moment of people-pleasing I still think about (we sent our favorite band's drummer home so the music wouldn't be "too much" for our guests). Joy shares the wedding-planning battle over her paper airplane send-off idea, the wedding favor almost derailed by a legal technicality, and what it was really like trying to live in the moment on her wedding day while a film crew documented everything — including a tense exchange Austin had with a crew member about whose day it actually was. We also get into what wedding privacy looked like for us — the security check-ins, the magazine exclusives, and the delayed episode airings — and how that shaped habits we still have today, like never posting your location in real time. If you're planning a wedding, already married, or just love hearing what really goes on behind the scenes, this episode is for you. Topics covered: wedding planning, wedding day mistakes, wedding traditions, behind the scenes of reality TV weddings, wedding privacy and security, marriage, sisters podcast 🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister with Joy and Jinger every week — SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss out!


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    Did We Fight Ever Fight? Sibling Rivalry in a Family of 19 Kids | Ep.3 Sep 23, 2026
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    This week on Call Your Sister, Joy and I are talking all about sibling rivalry and what it was actually like growing up together in a house full of kids. We get into some of our favorite (and funniest) memories — like Joy's infamous fight with our brother over the school computer, and her reputation as the sibling who'd get talked into doing things she probably shouldn't have. Joy also owns up to being the one who body-slammed and pranked our brothers a little too much growing up!

    We talk honestly about how conflict was (and wasn't) handled in our house, how birth order may or may not actually shape your personality and temperament, and the ways growing up avoiding conflict has shown up for each of us as adults — including in marriage and parenting our own kids. I share a story about my mom's kindness toward a stranger that shaped how we were taught to treat people, and we dig into people-pleasing, learning to hold your tongue, and figuring out how to disagree with someone you love without it turning into a blowup.

    If you grew up with siblings, or you're raising kids who are constantly bickering, this episode is full of honest, relatable conversation about family, conflict, and grace.

    🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister with Joy and Jinger every week — SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss out!


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    I Farted in Front of My Crush (+ More Awkward Teenage Stories) | Ep.2 Sep 16, 2026
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    This week on Call Your Sister, Joy and I are getting into some seriously embarrassing territory: our awkward teenage phase. We're talking bad fashion choices (hello, giant hand-me-down t-shirts and my infamous green linen tunic-over-skirt look — the one I was wearing the day I met Jeremy), disastrous hair experiments, and the crunchy-mousse curls and hairspray-soaked ponytails that may or may not have caused permanent damage. We also get into the deeper stuff — how we each struggled to figure out who we really were as teenagers, jumping between personas, and how insecurity showed up differently for each of us. Joy opens up about a season where she equated spirituality with being "zero fun," and how her motivations for things like reading through the Bible in two months weren't always as pure as she thought at the time — but how God used it anyway. I share what it was like dealing with body changes, comparison, and dressing for comfort over style because I didn't feel confident in my own skin. If you ever wore something you cringe at now, went through a hair phase you'd rather forget, or spent your teenage years trying to figure out who you actually were underneath the persona, this episode is going to feel very relatable. 🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister with Joy and Jinger every week — subscribe so you don't miss out! OUR INCREDIBLE SPONSORS: COZY EARTH: Luxury Shouldn’t Be Out of Reach. Visit ⁠https://CozyEarth.com/jinger/⁠ and use my exclusive code JINGER for 20% off best-selling sheets, towels, pajamas, and more. ZENNI: Zenni because it's the only way I've found to buy sunglasses I actually love without the guesswork ... choose from stylish, affordable options with over 150,000 5-star reviews. Upgrade your glasses and use code PODCAST15 at ⁠https://zenni.com/PODCAST for 15% off your first order, plus free shipping on U.S. orders over $65! FUNCTION HEALTH: Function because it’s the only health platform that gives you access to the kind of data most people never see—and the insights to actually take action. Learn more and join using our code JINGER at ⁠https://functionhealth.com/JINGER/⁠ for $25 off your membership!

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    Joy’s Pregnant! Also, We Have a New Podcast | Ep. 1 Sep 09, 2026
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    Welcome to the very first episode of the Call Your Sister Podcast! We can’t believe we’re finally saying that.

    In this episode, we’re sharing how a casual FaceTime conversation between sisters turned into a brand-new podcast and why Joy and I decided this was the right time to do it. We talk about what you can expect from Call Your Sister, some of the fun things we have planned, and why we want this show to feel like you’re jumping onto one of our regular sister FaceTime calls with us.

    But starting a new podcast isn’t even the biggest news of the episode: Joy is pregnant with BABY #4! We talk about how she told me, why this pregnancy has felt so different, and what it’s like stepping back into the baby stage after a bigger age gap.

    That leads us into a much deeper conversation about something we both had to rethink as adults: how many children should you have? Growing up, we both assumed that having as many children as possible was simply what you were supposed to do. We talk about questioning those childhood teachings, what Scripture actually says about children and family, and how we’ve learned to approach those decisions with our husbands through prayer, wisdom, and without fear.

    Then we lighten things up with some sister talk about Type A vs. Type B moms, perfectly organized refrigerators, dishes sitting in the sink, the pressure to have everything together when you’re hosting, and how social media can make it feel like everyone else is doing motherhood better than you.

    We also reveal just how much we actually text and FaceTime each other, confess how terrible we both can be at responding to messages, and talk about why we decided to make room for this podcast.

    This is the beginning of something new, and we’re so excited to have you here. Think of Call Your Sister as an hour every week to sit down, catch up, laugh, talk honestly about life, motherhood, faith, family, and all the things we’d normally be talking about on the phone anyway.

    So… call your sister. 🤍

    Topics covered: Joy Forsyth pregnancy, baby number four, Call Your Sister Podcast, Jinger Vuolo and Joy Forsyth, family size, childhood teachings about children, motherhood, Christian parenting, Type A vs. Type B moms, social media and motherhood, sister relationships

    🎧 New episodes of Call Your Sister every week — SUBSCRIBE so you don’t miss out!

    00:00:00 - Life Updates and a Major Teaser
    00:05:26 - Introducing the Call Your Sister Podcast
    00:12:18 - What to Expect from the New Podcast
    00:13:22 - Big News from Joy
    00:18:10 - Deciding How Many Children to Have
    00:20:48 - Rethinking Their Childhood Teachings on Family Size
    00:27:21 - Type A vs. Type B Moms
    00:30:43 - When Personality Types Become Excuses
    00:32:44 - Balancing Hosting, Social Media, and Priorities
    00:35:09 - How Often the Sisters Communicate
    00:36:59 - Texting Habits and Email Overload
    00:39:56 - Worth the Call
    00:40:55 - Why They Decided to Start the Podcast

    #CallYourSister #JingerVuolo #JoyForsyth #Motherhood #Pregnancy #Sisters #MomLife #Parenting


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    Joy & Jinger: Why It’s Been Hard to Find Joy Sep 02, 2026
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    In this episode of the Jinger & Jeremy Podcast, my sister Joy and I are talking all about finding joy — even, and especially, in the hard seasons of life. We start light, talking about the small everyday things that bring us joy right now: home, routine, our kids, beach days, sunsets, and even a few Facebook Marketplace wins (wait until you hear about Joy's chandelier find).

    But we also go somewhere deeper. Joy opens up about the miscarriage of her daughter Annabelle at 20 weeks and the season of depression that followed, and how she had to fight against becoming bitter while learning to trust God through something she never saw coming. I share my own experience with postpartum depression after having Evy, along with a spiritual crossroads I walked through where I had to wrestle honestly with hard questions about faith. We talk about the difference between happiness and joy, how joy can return in small, unexpected ways after grief, and why getting your labs and vitamin D checked is such a simple but important reminder when you're feeling low.

    We wrap up with a fun rapid-fire on what's currently bringing us joy, and even float the idea of a Jinger & Joy spin-off podcast — let us know what you think!If you've ever walked through loss, depression, or a season where joy felt impossible to find, this conversation is for you.

    Topics covered: finding joy after loss, postpartum depression, miscarriage and grief, choosing joy in hard seasons, faith and doubt, motherhood, everyday gratitude, sisters podcast

    🎧 New episodes of the Jinger & Jeremy Podcast every week — SUBSCRIBE so you don't miss out!


    00:00:00 - When Joy Becomes Hard to Find

    00:01:26 - The Everyday Things Bringing Us Joy

    00:11:09 - Trusting God and Choosing Joy Through Trials

    00:15:21 - Seeing Everyday Joy Through a Child’s Eyes

    00:18:59 - Finding Joy in Nature and Community

    00:23:27 - Settling Into a Family Home

    00:25:52 - The Comfort of an Ordinary Routine

    00:30:26 - Coffee Shop Outings and Family Routine

    00:31:15 - Facebook Marketplace Finds and the Chandelier

    00:36:00 - Rapid-Fire Things Bringing Us Joy

    00:37:34 - A Reminder to Check Your Health

    00:38:56 - Should the Sisters Start a Podcast?

    #Parenting⁠ ⁠#Motherhood⁠ ⁠#MomLife⁠ ⁠#ParentingTips⁠ ⁠#RaisingKids⁠


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    So, About My Stress Rash (True Story!) Aug 26, 2026
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    In this episode of the Jinger & Jeremy Podcast, my sister Joy and I are getting real about something almost every mom deals with: feeling overwhelmed. We're talking about overscheduled kids, overcommitting to social plans, and how to know when a busy season has crossed the line into burnout.

    Joy opens up about how her capacity to handle things comes in waves, and why she and Austin made the decision to protect at least three quiet evenings at home each week just to reset as a family. I share how Jeremy and I hit our own breaking point after years of "gone, gone, gone" through ministry and church commitments, and what it took for us to finally say it's time for a change, even when that meant pulling back from good things and worrying about what people would think.

    We dig into the difference between a busy season (like a home remodel or a book deadline) versus a lifestyle that's simply unsustainable long term, and the practical ways we've each learned to say no, protect our family's time, and communicate openly about what we can and can't handle in any given week.

    If you've ever felt stretched too thin, guilty about pulling back from commitments, or unsure how to reset when life gets too full, this conversation is for you.

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    00:00:00 – Intro & Welcome

    00:00:54 – What's Making You Feel Overwhelmed This Week?

    00:04:23 – Stepping Back from Overcommitment (Bible Study Story)

    00:06:08 – What Helps vs. What Doesn't When You're Overwhelmed

    00:09:21 – How Austin & Jeremy Notice When We're Overwhelmed

    00:12:35 – Communication, Sleep & Letting Go of What's Not Yours to Carry

    00:14:44 – Do You Need to Leave the House Every Day?

    00:22:34 – Burnout, a Stress Rash & Learning to Rest

    00:24:36 – Things We've Said No To Recently

    00:30:12 – Does Your Capacity Change With the Season?

    00:32:11 – Feeling Like an Introvert & Emotional Drain

    00:34:02 – Joy's Genuinely Restful Day

    00:38:18 – Jinger's Genuinely Restful Day

    00:42:02 – The "Milestone Party" Trend

    00:44:54 – Are Themed Birthday Parties Over the Top?

    00:52:44 – Overscheduled Kids & Youth Sports

    00:58:02 – One Thing That's Helping Us Slow Down

    01:00:07 – Closing Thoughts & Outro

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    So, About Getting Married Young Aug 19, 2026
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    In this episode of the Jinger & Jeremy Podcast, I'm sitting down with my sister Joy to talk all things marriage, especially what it's really like getting married young. Joy was 19 when she married Austin, and I was 22 when I married Jeremy, so we're diving into our different timelines, how our age gaps compared, and what marriage actually looked like once the "happily ever after" honeymoon phase wore off.

    We get honest about the biggest surprises marriage threw at us — from learning how to communicate (and why miscommunication is behind almost every argument), to balancing work and family life when your husband's job doesn't fit a typical 9-to-5, to figuring out how to find your own voice and opinions after years of just going along with everything. I open up about how I used to be way more passive early in our marriage, and how Jeremy actually pushed me to become more independent... even when that meant a little more "friction" at home!

    We also get into some of the funnier, more personal sides of marriage: Jeremy's prankster habit of bringing snakes and reptiles into our house, Austin's germaphobe tendencies and nightly shower routine, and the best piece of marriage advice we've actually stuck with — a simple nightly question that's helped keep our communication open for years.

    If you're newly married, engaged, dating young, or just curious what marriage looks like behind the scenes for us, this episode is full of honest, relatable, and encouraging conversation about love, growth, and building a life together.

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    So, About Making Friends as an Adult Aug 12, 2026
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    Does friendship feel harder than it should? In this episode, I sit down with my sister and co-host Joy for an honest, tear-filled conversation about what it's really taken for us to build meaningful friendships — as kids, as teens, and now as adult women navigating marriage, motherhood, and moving to a new city.

    Joy and I open up about growing up in the public eye and how that shaped (and sometimes stunted) our ability to trust and connect with others. We talk through the insecurity, comparison, and social anxiety that followed us into adulthood, and how marriage — and moving away from a built-in support system of siblings — forced me to learn how to make friends from scratch.

    I share real stories about the friends who've shown up for me in hard seasons: care packages during potty training, a month of secret prayer journaling from my sister-in-law, last-minute pool days, and coffee dropped off at my door with no expectations attached. Joy and I get vulnerable about the fear of losing friends during hard family seasons, the guilt I've felt pulling back, and why "perfect" friendships don't exist — but genuine ones are worth fighting for.


    In this episode:

    • Why friendship didn't come naturally to me or Joy growing up
    • How growing up in the public eye affected our ability to trust people
    • Battling insecurity, body image, and comparison as teens
    • How marriage and moving away exposed the gaps in my friendships
    • The role social media plays in how our kids will experience friendship and comparison
    • Small, thoughtful gestures that have made the biggest difference for me in hard seasons
    • How I'm challenging myself to reach out and encourage a friend this week

    If you've ever struggled to make or keep close friends, felt too busy or too "in survival mode" to nurture relationships, or wondered how to build real community as an adult — this episode is for you.


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    00:00:00 - Introduction: The Meaning of True Friendship

    00:01:30 - Friends Who Encourage Us

    00:04:20 - Public Life, Trust Issues, and Keeping Walls Up

    00:08:19 - Learning to Pursue Deeper Friendships

    00:13:06 - Social Media, Comparison, and the Next Generation

    00:15:51 - How Marriage Pushed Us to Build Friendships

    00:21:12 - Vulnerability, Emotions, and Missed Connections

    00:24:23 - Learning to Communicate and Find Community

    00:33:29 - What Makes a Friendship Feel Safe

    00:36:15 - Friendship as Couples

    00:39:43 - Trustworthiness, Mentorship, and Spiritual Maturity

    00:42:06 - Building Intergenerational Friendships

    00:44:55 - Letting Friendships Grow Organically

    00:45:58 - Friendships Across Differences and Difficult Seasons

    00:48:54 - How Friends Have Shown Up Recently

    00:51:19 - Small, Thoughtful Ways to Care

    00:54:22 - Encourage Someone and Accept Help

    00:55:52 - Closing Thoughts


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