Buddha at the Gas Pump

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725. Jim Grove Feb 20, 2025

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Jim Grove - Living Non-Dual in a Dualistic World Jim Grove is a lifelong practitioner of yogic meditation who grew up in a small logging town on the West Coast of Canada. At age thirteen, he was introduced to a teacher who was one of the few ministers directly ordained by Paramahansa Yogananda during his lifetime, Mother Yogacharya M. Hamilton of Seattle. A series of early transcendental experiences convinced him to commit himself to continued yogic practice under her tutelage. His recent memoir, A Curious Spiritual Journey, recounts some of the prominent experiences that have arisen from his practice over four decades, starting from early adolescence, in the interests of providing some insight into the often unpredictable process of spiritual unfoldment. He likes to speak plainly about spiritual experience and practice, avoiding the vague, abstract, and sometimes inflated language used in much spiritual and new age writing. He lives in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. Website: jimgrove.ca Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded February 15, 2025 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 Jim Grove's Journey in Yogic Meditation  00:03:42 Editing a Manuscript: From 80,000 to 55,000 Words  00:07:23 Discovering a Life-Changing Teacher  00:11:24 A Humorous Encounter at Denny's  00:16:23 Spiritual Awakening and Motivation Changes  00:21:30 The Ripple Effect of Everyday Actions  00:25:47 Mariana Kaplan's Global Soccer Mission  00:30:15 The Importance of Spiritual Integrity and Ethical Conduct  00:34:29 The Importance of Integrity in Organizations and Community  00:38:25 Cultural Ethics vs. Universal Values  00:42:13 The Importance of Humility and Kindness in Life  00:47:09 Leadership Dynamics and Corporate Culture  00:51:16 The Purpose of Suffering and Spiritual Growth  00:55:51 Embracing Mortality in Tibetan Buddhism  00:59:10 Exploring Shamanic Practices and Cross-Cultural Spirituality  01:03:24 Exploring the Life and Teachings of Joel Goldsmith  01:06:55 Joel Goldsmith and Spiritual Anecdotes  01:10:33 Exploring Multiverse and Other Dimensions  01:14:40 The Role of Specialists in Reincarnation Research  01:18:30 Exploring Past Life Regressions and Reincarnation  01:23:25 Vision of Furry Boots with Curly Toes  01:27:52 Healing Through Past Life Regression  01:31:46 Balancing Depth and Breadth in Personal Growth  01:36:04 Exploring Kundalini Activation and Spiritual Growth  01:40:49 The Metaphor of the Ring: Ego and Humility Lessons from Tolkien  01:45:52 The Concept of Humility in Spiritual Teachings  01:49:50 The Spiritual Lessons of the Prodigal Son and Christ's Doubt  01:54:11 Career Shift: From Private Sector to Provincial Government  01:59:06 Embracing Change and Trusting the Universe  02:03:47 Instilling Inner Guidance in Children  02:07:44 Future of Humanity: Transitions and Endgames

717. Edi Bilimoria Oct 17, 2024

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Dr. Edi Bilimoria was born in India and educated at the universities of London, Sussex, and Oxford. He presents an unusual blend of experience in the fields of science, arts, and philosophy. Professionally, Edi is an award-winning engineer and consultant to the petrochemical, oil and gas, transport, and construction industries. He has been Project Manager and Head of Design for major innovative projects such as the Channel Tunnel, London Underground systems, petrochemical plants and offshore installations. He also worked in safety and environmental engineering for several Royal Navy projects, including the Queen Elizabeth Aircraft Carrier and the fleet of Offshore Patrol Vessels. A student of the perennial philosophy for over half a century, Edi has given courses and lectured extensively in the UK, and internationally. He has organized and chaired conferences with the object of encouraging discourse on the different, but overlapping, roles of science, religion, and practical philosophy. Edi has published extensively in the fields of science, engineering, and the esoteric philosophy. "Unfolding Consciousness" has received recognition with the 2022 Grand Prize Award from the Scientific and Medical Network. Edi's earlier work, "The Snake and the Rope" is also an award winner. Website: edibilimoria.com Summary and transcript of this interview Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group Interview recorded October 12, 2024 YouTube Video Chapters:  00:00:00 Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump  00:02:50 The Intersection of Science, Spirituality, and Philosophy  00:06:22 The Evolution of Scientific Thought  00:10:10 Understanding the Levels of Science and Consciousness  00:14:20 The Limits of Intellect and Wisdom of Great Thinkers  00:18:45 Meditation, Psychedelics, and Brain Perception  00:23:13 The Brain as a Transmitter-Receiver  00:26:51 Misunderstanding Isaac Newton’s Philosophy  00:30:49 Is the Sun Alive? Examining Unconventional Definitions of Life  00:34:13 The Incredible Complexity of Human Cells  00:37:39 Debunking the Infinite Monkey Theorem  00:41:40 Materialism and Its Role in Science  00:44:42 The Potential of Science and Spirituality Working Together  00:49:12 The Intersection of Science and Spirituality  00:53:04 The Science of the Human Eye: Discoveries and Design  00:56:44 The Debate on Intelligent Design and Evolution  01:00:09 The Interplay of Spirit and Matter in Evolution  01:04:36 Evolution as a Spiritual Journey  01:08:30 The Monad and the Journey to Divinity  01:12:12 The Absurdity of Freezing Bodies and Understanding Reincarnation  01:15:01 Exploring the Distinction Between Ethics and Morality  01:17:56 The Spiritual Essence of Matter  01:21:17 Understanding Karma: The Puzzle Piece of the Universe  01:24:08 Understanding Karma and Spiritual Evolution  01:27:56 Personal Spiritual Journey: Overcoming Life Challenges  01:31:14 Understanding Karma and Rising to Bodhisattva  01:34:42 Themes of the Book: Mystery Teachings  01:37:06 The Myth of Bacchus and Human Duality  01:40:45 Understanding the Supreme Consciousness and the Kabbalah  01:44:56 David Bohm and the Unity Elephant in Science  01:48:13 Building a Body of Wisdom Through Interlocking Insights

641. Angelo Dilullo Apr 07, 2022

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At the age of 24, after years of intense internal suffering and an intuition that something about the way we interact with our thoughts causes a lot of unnecessary suffering, Angelo had a fundamental shift in the way he experiences reality. This was a pervasive transformation and was life-altering at every level. It suddenly became clear that thoughts, and the way they "paint" our experience of ourselves, time, and space, are essentially unreal, something like ghosts. What replaced this world of thought, struggle, and suffering, was boundless clarity and intimacy with all immediate textures of phenomena. It became clear that this is simply the natural state of things and that it is true for everyone, even if there is some distortion in experience caused by thoughts. It became exquisitely clear that suffering is unnecessary among humans and that any human being who has a genuine yearning to wake up to their true nature has the capacity to wake up to this boundless (non-separation) living truth. This led to the writing of the book, "Awake: It's Your Turn." The book is a combination of practical advice to help anyone who is on this pathless path, practice pointers and inquiry tips, and direct pointing (transmission) through language. Book: Awake: It's Your Turn Simply Always Awake YouTube channel Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Transcript of this interview. Interview recorded April 2, 2022. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Background 00:05:38 - The Shift in Perception: From Suffering to Enlightenment 00:10:20 - Becoming Home 00:14:56 - Suffering and Awakening 00:19:21 - The Paradox of Authenticity 00:23:32 - Finding the Gap in Thoughts 00:28:07 - The Structure of the Mind and Perception 00:32:54 - The Unbound Consciousness 00:37:27 - The Natural State of Mind 00:41:59 - Embracing Pain and Sensory Input 00:46:51 - Overwhelming Sensory Experience 00:51:43 - The Nature of Experience 00:56:39 - The Dance of Nature and the Nature of "Ocean-ness" 01:01:06 - The non-dualistic nature of perception 01:05:29 - The Subtlety of the Spiritual Journey 01:10:39 - Shifting Gears, Changing Expectations and Enjoying the Moment 01:15:30 - The Meaning of Awakening 01:19:44 - Attuning to Your Instincts and Embracing Your Awakening 01:24:05 - Investigating the Relational Self 01:29:08 - Escaping Suffering and Dissolving into Reality 01:33:47 - Dissolving Boundaries of Perception 01:38:00 - The Importance of Focus while Driving 01:42:12 - Love for All Beings 01:47:04 - The Paradox of Enlightenment 01:51:51 - Trusting Yourself and the Unborn 01:56:26 - The Length of the Book 02:00:41 - Uncovering and holding discomfort in the body 02:05:12 - Going into the Contracted Area and Feeling Helplessness 02:09:47 - Investigating God, Death, and Reincarnation 02:14:12 - Energetic Realizations and Past Lives 02:18:34 - Wrapping Up the Conversation

542. Peter Mt. Shasta Mar 24, 2020

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Peter journeyed to India in 1970 and spent time with Ram Dass and his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, eventually traveling to the Himalayan foothills to live briefly with Gangotri Baba, a disciple of Babaji. He also had transcendent experiences with Anandamayi Ma and other saints. Later he traveled to Tibet and Egypt but did not find his true path until Sathya Sai Baba instructed him to meditate on the I AM—which leads to the True Self. Returning from the East, the Ascended Master Saint Germain materialized before him in Muir Woods near San Francisco and told him to go to Mount Shasta, where he would meet the teacher who would prepare him to work with the Masters in their quest to help humanity. This teacher was Pearl Dorris, a former assistant to Godfre Ray King, author of "Unveiled Mysteries". Vowing to accomplish the training that was offered, he went through years of instruction, initiation, and adventures at the hands of the Masters, who occasionally appeared in physical form. These adventures are described in his best-selling book, "Apprentice to the Masters: Adventures of a Western Mystic, Book II." He is working now under the direction of Saint Germain to bring the ancient teachings of Tibetan Buddhism on the nature of mind into the I AM Teachings of mastery. Books: Search for the Guru: Adventures of a Western Mystic, Part I Apprentice to the Masters: Adventures of a Western Mystic, Part II "I AM" Affirmations and the Secret of Their Effective Use I Am the Violet Tara: Goddess of Forgiveness and Freedom I AM the Living Christ: Teachings of Jesus It Is What It Is: Further Adventures of a Western Mystic Website: i-am-teachings.com Discussion of this interview in the BatGap Community Facebook Group. Summary and transcript of this interview. Interview recorded March 21, 2020 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Appreciation 00:03:22 - Satchidananda and the Twinkle in His Eyes 00:07:11 - A Dream with the Guru 00:10:38 - Lessons from Illness and Healing 00:14:10 - Meeting the Guru in Rishikesh 00:17:39 - Meeting Spinach Baba 00:21:38 - Seeking Answers from the Guru 00:25:31 - A Divine Encounter in Muir Woods 00:30:35 - A Mysterious Encounter 00:34:42 - Guidance from Within and Ascended Masters 00:38:48 - The Cloak of Invisibility and Higher Frequency Vibration 00:42:20 - Praying to Padmasambhava 00:46:05 - Going back to Mount Shasta 00:49:34 - The Many Incarnations of Saint Germain 00:53:12 - The Appearance of Saint Germain 00:56:44 - Creating Desired Things, The Pitfalls 01:00:39 - A Dream Leads to a Synchronistic Encounter 01:04:39 - Encounter with Saint Germain 01:08:13 - A Divine Encounter at the Restaurant 01:11:35 - Trusting Inner Guidance 01:14:48 - The Message of the Current Pandemic Crisis 01:18:49 - The Antidote for the Virus 01:22:40 - Practical Measures to Protect Against COVID-19 01:25:35 - Charging Water with Amethyst 01:29:08 - A Meeting with the Bliss Permeated Mother 01:33:55 - Divine Love and Unity with All 01:38:03 - Cooperation between Ascended Masters and Space Beings 01:41:07 - The Importance of Seva and Helping Others 01:44:17 - Exploring Personal Identity and Interacting with the Masters 01:47:18 - A Dream Encounter 01:59:41 - Farewell and Greetings

54. Genpo Roshi Jan 17, 2011

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Genpo is a long-time Zen practitioner, now Master, who has developed the “Big Mind Process”, through which "Novice participants without any formal meditation training can have profound spiritual experiences with persistent enhancement of well-being..." Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded 1/10/2011. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Zen Master Genpo Mersal 00:02:56 - The Role of Zen and Buddhism in My Life 00:05:18 - The Journey of Consciousness 00:07:01 - Throwing Our Backs Into Awakening the Planet 00:08:47 - Becoming a Zen Master 00:10:47 - The Growth and Maturity of Zen Masters and Roshis 00:12:53 - Total Freedom and Empowering Others 00:15:13 - Enlightenment and Liberation 00:17:34 - The Journey up the Mountain 00:20:03 - Falling from Enlightenment: Returning to the Marketplace 00:22:26 - Indulging in Shadows 00:24:39 - Reintegrating the Shadows around the Marketplace 00:27:07 - The Importance of Working with the Shadow 00:29:20 - Enlightenment and the Ignorance of Cause and Effect 00:31:21 - Stuck at Level 3 00:33:18 - A Profound Experience and Its Impact 00:35:05 - Meaninglessness and Awakening 00:36:51 - The Impact of a High School Teacher 00:38:31 - A Journey to the Mountaintop 00:40:04 - Grizzly Bears in Waterton 00:41:38 - A Spiritual Corollary to the Adventure 00:43:56 - Profound Experiences in Zen Practice 00:47:00 - The Practice of Using Jealousy to Annihilate the Ego 00:49:21 - Dzogchen Practice and Visualizing the Worst Possible Scenario 00:52:14 - The Form in Teaching 00:54:43 - A Kundalini Experience and the Answer to the First Question 00:56:31 - Transformation into a 17-year-old girl 00:58:28 - Struggling with Feminine Energy 01:00:17 - The Integration of the Feminine Side 01:02:06 - The Desire to Lose Ego 01:03:47 - Vulnerability and an Unexpected Experience

22. James Braha May 21, 2010

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After thirty years of seeking liberation, James Braha had nearly given up on finding fulfillment. His mind began to change, however, when he encountered the Hindu/Vedic philosophy of non-duality. Upon reading “Sailor” Bob Adamson’s book What’s Wrong with Right Now Unless You Think About It, James immediately invited Bob to come from Australia to share his knowledge with Americans. For five glorious weeks in the summer of 2004, Bob and his wife stayed with the Braha family at their home in Florida. Spiritual talk with arguably the greatest non-duality teacher alive continued from morning till night, as James’ dearest friends and spiritualists from around the country joined the investigations into the truth of reality versus the illusion of appearance. James Braha's Site Sailor Bob's Site Transcript of this interview Interview recorded 5/19/2010. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Background 00:03:52 - Seeking Spiritual Techniques and Paths 00:07:41 - Understanding Non-duality and True Nature 00:11:51 - The Illusion of the Self 00:14:45 - The Fear of Not Being Here 00:17:04 - Eliminating the Craziness 00:18:50 - Living in the Present Moment 00:20:38 - Freedom and Clarity 00:22:45 - The Search for Enlightenment beyond Experiences 00:25:07 - The Paradox of Reality and Illusion 00:27:53 - The Freedom of Psychological Suffering 00:30:56 - The Illusory Nature of the World 00:33:49 - The Importance of Wanting Enlightenment 00:36:30 - The Illusory Elephant and the Illusory Me 00:39:49 - Maturing Desires and Shifts in Understanding 00:43:34 - The False Reference Point in Enlightenment 00:47:35 - Enlightenment in Prison 00:50:57 - Following Your Dharma 00:53:35 - The Nature of Growth and Deepening 00:56:32 - The Fallacy of Final Understanding 00:59:31 - The Dream and the Laws of Nature 01:01:46 - The Marvel of the Illusion 01:05:11 - The Illusion of Suffering and Existence 01:07:29 - There is No You 01:09:31 - The Role of Desire in Liberation 01:12:17 - Dealing with an Annoying Woman 01:14:50 - The Founder of Advaita 01:17:11 - The Illusion of Duality 01:19:33 - Being Yourself and Embracing Unfoldment 01:22:23 - Letting Go of Past Suffering 01:24:39 - Buddha at the Gas Pump Save

19. Igal Moria Apr 24, 2010

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Igal Moria was infected with the spiritual bug in his teens has no plans of recovering. He joined Maharishi Mahesh Yogi at 19 (in 1973) and was involved with the TM movement for 25 years, working with Maharishi on developing courses and course materials on Maharishi Vedic Science and world religions. He was a member of Andrew Cohen’s core body of students. Summary and transcript of this interview Interview recorded 4/21/2010 YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction: Buddha at the Gas Pump 00:05:16 - Leaving the Ashram and Seeking Independence 00:09:42 - A Traumatic Event and Its Aftermath 00:12:44 - The End of an Era 00:16:03 - Introduction to Andrew Cohen and Enlightenment 00:20:17 - A Rekindling of the Spirit 00:24:14 - The Allure of Spiritual Leadership 00:27:46 - The Recognition of a Bigger Reality 00:31:53 - Overcoming Inertia and Embracing Change 00:35:36 - Liberation from Anxiety and Gratitude for Maharishi 00:41:03 - The Meeting of Papaji and Ramana Maharshi 00:45:04 - The Power of Trust and Shifting Consciousness 00:48:13 - The Classical Idea of Enlightenment 00:51:21 - The Origins and Development of Monotheism 00:54:55 - Enlightenment through engagement with others 00:58:49 - The Power of Coming Together Beyond Ego 01:02:04 - Coming together beyond ego 01:05:19 - The Five Tenets of Enlightenment 01:08:08 - Facing What You're Made Of 01:11:23 - The Bigger Picture 01:13:56 - The Eye of the Universe 01:16:25 - The Evolution of Consciousness and the Motivation for the Spiritual Life 01:19:04 - Seriös Arbeit und Entwicklung 01:22:09 - The Value of Meditation for Freedom 01:25:31 - Cultivating Freedom from Mind and Emotions 01:29:06 - Contrasting meditation techniques 01:32:54 - The Three Instructions for Meditation 01:36:54 - Cultivating a Position of Freedom 01:42:32 - Various Perspectives on Spiritual Teachings 01:48:31 - The New Enlightenment: Embracing Inner and Outer Existence 01:55:00 - The Radical Becoming of Enlightenment

17. Mary Foster Apr 08, 2010

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Summary and Transcript of this interview Interview recorded 4/7/2010. Interview with George and Mary Foster YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Buddha at the Gas Pump 00:06:09 - The Power of Hearing in Consciousness 00:09:44 - The Realization of Being Stuck in the Body 00:13:53 - The Ultimate Connection with All of Existence 00:18:00 - The Experience of "I" in Consciousness 00:21:09 - Awareness of the Self and the World 00:23:20 - The Natural State of Man is Seeking More 00:25:56 - The Persistence of Awareness Beyond the Body 00:28:20 - A New Sensory Experience 00:31:40 - The Expansion of Awareness 00:34:31 - The Power of Meditation and Automatic Progress 00:37:34 - Connecting with the Celestial Realms 00:40:43 - Connecting with the Celestial Realm 00:43:20 - The Connectedness of All Beings 00:45:44 - Celestial Nervous Systems and Consciousness 00:48:48 - The Job of Celestial Beings 00:51:55 - The Experience of Wholeness 00:55:17 - Witnessing the Birth of a Universe 00:57:56 - The Significance of Experiences 00:59:54 - The Roadmap to Enlightenment 01:02:04 - The Experience of Being Awake 01:04:11 - Unfolding the Spiritual Journey 01:06:23 - Differences in Physiology and Consciousness 01:09:09 - The Certainty of an Ongoing Journey 01:11:26 - Near-Death Experiences and Leaving the Physical Body 01:14:07 - The Connectedness of Everything 01:16:19 - The Universe as an Interconnected Arrangement of Beads 01:18:15 - Fine-tuning and Awareness 01:20:04 - Building Spiritual Muscles 01:21:57 - Engaging with batgap.com 01:23:34 - Conversations and Gratitude

16. John Speer Apr 01, 2010

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John Speer is a spiritual teacher and psychotherapist whose awakening journey is grounded in authenticity, acceptance, and integration. John candidly shares how his deep transformation unfolded—not through seeking exotic states or escaping daily life, but by embracing his full humanity. 🌟 Topics explored include: The nature of spiritual awakening and nonduality How trauma and shadow work support real awakening The danger of spiritual bypassing The value of ordinary experiences on the path The role of therapy in spiritual development How awakening impacts relationships, identity, and daily life This conversation is ideal for seekers interested in integrating spirituality with psychology, working through personal wounding, or navigating life post-awakening with presence and compassion. Transcript of this interview Interview recorded 3/31/2010. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Background of John Speer 00:03:45 - Questioning Existence and Meaning of Life 00:06:50 - Puzzling Reality and Spiritual Awakening 00:09:23 - The Feeling of Joy and Destiny 00:12:09 - Discovering Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 00:14:41 - A Chance Encounter with Transcendental Meditation 00:17:03 - Introduction to Meditation Journey 00:19:27 - Meeting Elaine and Falling in Love 00:22:14 - A Profound and Loving Experience 00:25:00 - A Profound Sense of Joy and Witnessing Human Emotions 00:28:00 - The Death of Our Son 00:31:05 - The Science of Free Will and Determinism 00:34:06 - Returning to Fairfield 00:36:41 - Resonating with a Spiritual Experience 00:39:25 - Discovering Raja Ram 00:42:01 - Freedom from Belief and Dependency 00:45:00 - The Freedom of Experience 00:47:52 - A Near-Death Experience 00:50:10 - The Dome and TM City Program 00:53:06 - The Experience of Oneness 00:56:29 - The Embodiment of the Universe in Christ 00:59:05 - The Omnipresence of God 01:01:43 - Christ as the Savior for Each Other 01:04:37 - Finding Fulfillment on the Spiritual Path 01:07:39 - Reflecting the Essence of the Soul 01:10:36 - "Light that is one, though the lamps be many" 01:13:00 - The Awakening Moment 01:15:34 - The Essence of Seeking and Finding 01:18:10 - Ramana Maharshi and the Essence of Spiritual Awakening 01:20:42 - The Mahavakya and a Good Stopping Point 01:23:09 - Conclusion and Farewell

11. Brad & Pam Keene Mar 07, 2010

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Pam Keene currently resides in Fairfield, Iowa with her husband Brad. A conscious seeker since the age of nineteen, she has been influenced by a variety of spiritual teachers. However, her sacred marriage of ten years has provided her with the most profound education so far. And she is still learning. Transcript of this interview Interview recorded 2/10/2010. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Buddha at the Gas Pump Introduction 00:04:32 - Pam and Brad's Awakening Journey 00:08:54 - Letting go of Transcendental Meditation 00:12:43 - Alcohol, Drugs, and Awakening Journey 00:16:44 - Honeymoon period and drinking/drugs 00:20:19 - The Importance of a Guru in Spiritual Growth 00:23:21 - Dana's Spiritual Journey 00:27:29 - The Power of Desire and Individual Paths 00:30:36 - The Awakening Process and Embracing a Personal God 00:33:35 - The Progression of Awakening 00:36:07 - The Rheostat of Belief 00:39:11 - Holding all Expressions of the Divine in the Heart 00:42:53 - Reconciliation of Opposites in the Wholeness of Self 00:45:59 - The Awakening through Dance 00:48:47 - Kundalini Complete 00:52:11 - The Power of Sexual Experience and Spiritual Practice 00:54:58 - Exploring Different Varieties of Spiritual Practice 00:57:43 - The Experience of Universal Awareness 00:59:44 - Wholeness in the Midst of a Heart Attack 01:01:21 - Near-Death Experience and Divine Awareness 01:03:22 - Reflections on Death and Fear 01:05:38 - Pam's Journey with Dance 01:07:57 - The Healing Power of Dance 01:11:25 - The Evolution of Dance Groups 01:14:13 - Couples and the Mission of Enlightenment 01:17:04 - Sharanalila: The Surrendering Dance 01:19:30 - Contact Information for More Information on Sharanalila 01:21:52 - The Sacred Dance Journey 01:24:35 - Leaving People with Openness to Awakening 01:27:52 - The Misconception of Levitation 01:31:04 - Conclusion and Thank You

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