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    Breaking Form: a Poetry and Culture Podcast

    James Allen Hall and Aaron Smith talk about their favorite poems and poets, interview amazing writers, laugh a lot, gossip, and get real about life and art.

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    When Rita Doves Cry Sep 05, 2022
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    Dig if you will a picture: Rita Dove, Prince, and an infidel poet.
    Prince released over 39 of his own albums and won seven Grammy Awards, a Golden Globe, and an Academy Award. He was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame the first year he was eligible (2004). In 1993, Prince announced his desire to go by "an unpronounceable symbol whose meaning has not been identified. It's all about thinking in new ways, tuning in 2 a new free-quency," he wrote in a statement at the time. He was born June 7, 1958 and died April 21, 2016.
    Rita Dove was born August 28, 1952. In 1987, she won the Pulitzer in Poetry for Thomas and Beulah (becoming only the 2nd African American to win that award, after Gwendolyn Brooks in 1950). She was US Poet Laureate from 1999-2000. Since 1989, she has taught at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville.

    Watch Rita Dove on the PBS News Hour here (~7 min).

    Watch Prince in a 1999 appearance on The Larry King Show here (~40 min)

    Regarding Judith Butler, here’s the full quote from Claudia Rankine’s Citizen: “Not long ago you are in a room where someone asks the philosopher Judith Butler what makes language hurtful. Our very being exposes us to the address of another, she answers.”

    You can see Prof. Dove discuss her poetry as well as her first novel in an interview here (~25 min).

    Rita Dove and Natasha Trethewey present their work and are interviewed by Rudolph Byrd at Emory University and you can watch that conversation here (~75 min)

    About the Prince-Michael Jackson feud, Quincy Jones told GQ magazine that the beef dated back to 1983, when the two attended a James Brown concert. Brown invited Jackson up on stage — and after Jackson treated the crowd to a few moments of singing and dancing, he asked Brown to bring up Prince. Jones later alleged that Prince felt like he'd been shown up — and accused him of making a half-hearted effort to run over Jackson after the show.

    Mary Shelley was the daughter of philosophers Mary Wollstonecraft, who died within 2 weeks of giving birth to Mary, and William Godwin. While Percy and Mary met when she was 16 (and she became pregnant by him at that time), she didn’t marry him until she was 19. She died of a brain tumor at age 53. She published Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus when she was 20. She was, like her husband, a political radical at the time.

    Percy Bysshe Shelley was born August 4, 1792 and was 21 when he met Mary Godwin. You can read more about their courtship and marriage here. Shelley drowned in the Gulf of Spezia while sailing home from a meeting with Byron, when his boat was overtaken by a storm.

    During the 19th century, the average age fell for English women, but it didn’t drop any lower than 22. Patterns varied depending on social and economic class, of course, with working-class women tending to marry slightly older than their aristocratic counterparts. But the prevailing modern idea that all English ladies wed before leaving their teenage years is well off the mark. While European noblewomen often married early, they were a small minority of the population, and the marriage certificates from Canterbury show that even among nobility it was very rare to marry women off at very early ages.

    You can listen to Beyonce's “Break My Vogue” [Queens Remix] here (~6 min).


    I Love the Part Aug 29, 2022
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    Our fearless queens select and dissect favorite poems--to say why and how poems endure.
    I Remember is a 1970 memoir written by author and artist Joe Brainard, depicting his childhood in the 1940s and '50s in Oklahoma as well as his life in the '60s and '70s in New York City. Brainard followed I Remember with I Remember More (1972) and More I Remember More (1973), both published by Angel Hair. Read Olivia Laing’s short, fabulous review of Joe Brainard’s book I Remember in The Guardian here. Of it, Laing says, “The Bible aside, I can't think of a more original or lovely book.”

    Ada Limon’s poem “The Contract Says We’d Like the Conversation to be Bilingual” appears in Limon’s book The Carrying, which won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry. You can read the whole poem here.

    Hear Terrance Hayes read “Talk” and "The Blue Terrance" at the Folger Library here.

    Alexander Pope's sonnet "Sound and Sense" can be read here.

    James L. White’s prose poem “An Ordinary Composure” appears in The Salt Ecstasies and you can read it on a blog here.

    Rick Barot, “Wooden Overcoat” was featured on The Slowdown, and you can listen to that episode here. And you can read the whole poem here.

    Watch Maggie Anderson read from her work here (with Mira Rosenthal; ~16 min).

    While I couldn’t find “Let the Boats Drift” online, I can recommend “Let Evening Come,” which you can read here.

    Read Larry Levis’s “In the City of Light” here.


    On Thin Ice (with Jacques J. Rancourt) Aug 22, 2022
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    The queens spin into a frosty finish with poet and figure-skating stan Jacques J. Rancourt! What a way to celebrate our 50th episode!
    Please support the poets mentioned in today's episode by buying their books. Shop indie if you can; we recommend Loyalty Bookstores, a Black-owned bookseller in DC. You can buy Jacques's Brocken Spectre here.
    Find Jacques J. Rancourt’s website here. Follow him on Twitter and Instagram @jj_rancourt. Read Jacques’s “Golden Gate Park” from Brocken Spectre on Poetry Daily here.

    Writing for the Los Angeles Review Erica Charis-Molling says this of Rancourt’s Brocken Spectre: “Much like the phenomenon after which the collection is titled, the search for answers is part ghost hunt and part investigation of an illusion. Through the eyes of these post-AIDS-epidemic poems, we thoughtfully look at the ways the virus is both a thing of the past and very much present.” Read the whole review here.

    If you want to know more about what Tonya Harding (who was banned for life from the US Figure Skating Association) is up to these days, here's a pretty great article. Short answer: she's chopping wood, sending Cameo vids, and raising a son with her 3rd husband. Watch Harding become the 2nd woman (and first American) to land a triple axel in competition (1991 US Nationals) here around the 0:50 mark.
    You can read several poems by Adélia Prado here, courtesy of the Boutelle-Day Poetry Center at Smith College.

    If you're into incredible jumps, you've got to see Surya Bonali's infamous backflip at the Nagano Olympics. (3:45 mark)

    Geri Doran’s first book, Resin, won the Walt Whitman Award and was published in 2005 by LSU. Her second book, Sanderlings, was published by Tupelo in 2011. Doran's third book, Epistle, Osprey was published in 2019 (also by Tupelo) -- and we are sorry not to have gotten that right before the fact check! (Thanks, Katy Didden, for the help!) Read "Tonight is a Night Without Birds" from Resin here.

    Watch Carolina Kostner’s 2014 spellbinding “Ave Maria” performance here.
    James's favorite Lucie Brock-Broido book is Trouble in Mind. Read "Leaflet on Wooing" from that book here. Watch Brock-Broido read "Freedom of Speech" here, dedicated to Liam Rector.

    Hear Lisel Mueller (1924-2020) read "Monet Refuses the Operation" here (~2.5 min).

    Check out Aaron Smith's latest book of poems, The Book of Daniel,and James Allen Hall's book of lyric essays, I Liked You Better Before I Knew You So Well.
    Because it’s Breaking Form, we'd be remiss if we didn't include at least one scholarly resource. Here's this article titled “Shirtless Figure Skaters: 14 Hot Hunky Men on Ice.”


    Big Sonny Aug 15, 2022
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    The queens defy Big Sonny and play an associative game that leads to a lot of poetry love -- and some hot dish.
    Please support the poets we mention in today's show by buying their books! You can shop indie at Loyalty Bookstores, a Black-owned DC-area independent bookseller.
    Walt Whitman's “Song of Myself" ends with these lines:
    If you want me again look for me under your boot-soles.
    {....}
    Failing to fetch me at first keep encouraged,
    Missing me one place search another,
    I stop somewhere waiting for you.

    Mark Doty has a great book on Whitman called What Is the Grass: Walt Whitman in My Life (Norton, 2021). In My Alexandria, there is only one “Days of….” poem and it is “Days of 1981,” as James correctly said.

    Benjamin Garcia’s Thrown in the Throat was selected for the National Poetry Series by Kazim Ali and published by Milkweed (2020). Read more about Garcia at his website here.

    You can learn more about Darnell Arnoult and her fabulous work on her website.

    Maggie Smith kicks off the 16th Palm Beach Poetry Festival in this video (~20 min).

    Rebecca Morgan Smith is the editor of Memorious, and you can learn more about her own writing at her website here.

    Learn more about Jacques J. Rancourt’s fabulosity by visiting his website (and ordering his latest book, Brocken Spectre).

    Read Olena Kalytiak Davis’s poem “Sweet Reader, Flanneled and Tulled” here.

    Susan Mitchell is not the highest paid professor in American poetry. Her salary is searchable since public universities publish salary information.

    sam sax’s poem we mention is “Ode to the Belt,” which was published in The Nation in 2018. You can read it on sam’s twitter feed here.

    Read James Tate’s “Goodtime Jesus” here. James also likes “The Lost Pilot,” which you can read here.


    Schitt Poetry (Moira Rose Edition) Aug 08, 2022
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    Poetry & fruit wine, bebè!
    We recommend watching episode 6 of season 1, “Wine & Roses.” You’ll remember the experience!
    Troye Sivan Mellet is a South African-born Australian singer-songwriter, actor and YouTuber. Watch the official video for Sivan’s song, “Bloom” here. While Aaron cites another music writer’s critique of “Bloom” as a song about bottoming, I prefer this close-reading of the song, written by one Bobby Finger for Jezebel.

    Watch Eduardo C. Corral’s reading at the 2021 Sewanee Writers’ Conference—the first reading he gave from Guillotine (~15 minutes).

    Read Eleanor Lerman’s poem “The Mystery of Meteors” here.

    Mark Bibbins makes use of pop culture in his poems, like this excellent example (“In the Corner of a Room Where You Would Never Look,” first published in the New Yorker).

    Watch Maureen Seaton read her poem “Fourth Stage Metaphoric Breast Cancer” here.

    You can watch G.C. Waldrep’s hat discuss his latest collection, Earliest Witness, here (~12 min).

    Atsuro Riley read for the Poetry Society of South Carolina, and you can watch that reading here (90 minutes).

    Lynn Emanuel reads her poem “Desire” at the Jazz Poetry concert and the performance can be viewed here (~3 min).

    Watch Francine J. Harris read “Red is the Mess” for Button Poetry here (~3 min).

    Watch Eleni Sikelianos in conversation with Christos Chomenidis at the Museum of Delphi here (~45 min).

    Watch Beckian Fritz Goldberg read at Arizona State in 2015 here (~12 min).

    You can follow Alex Dimitrov on Twitter @alexdimitrov

    Wayne Koestenbaum makes some trance-y Instagram posts. Go follow him on Insta at @wayne.koestenbaum


    Aaron Awards the Pulitzer Aug 01, 2022
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    Aaron and James correct history and re-award the Pulitzer Prize. Hindsight is 20/20 and we definitely are hind-oglers.
    Support the poets we mention by buying their books. We recommend Loyalty Bookstores, a Black-owned indie bookseller in the DC area.
    Read David Trinidad's dishy and detailed account of how Anne Sexton got her Pulitzer here.
    More/other insight into the Pulitzers can be had in reading this July 1957 article by Arthur Mizener that appeared in The Atlantic.
    After Forest Gander won the Pulitzer, he gave a 5-book recommended reading list that included C.D. Wright's last book. (Wright and Gander were married; Gander's prizewinning collection Be With is largely elegiac.) You can read his recommendations here.
    if you haven't listened to Jericho Brown's interview with the On Being Project, do yourself a favor and listen here. (The interview discusses sexual violence.) Brown won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry (for his book The Tradition).
    Adrienne Rich was a 3-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in Poetry. Before winning in 1998 for Black Zodiac, Charles Wright was a finalist for the prize four times.


    We Can Shift the Canon Jul 25, 2022
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    Aaron and James revisit Ai's poem "Twenty Year Marriage." The conversation opens up to ideas about education and the violence of white supremacy.
    Show Notes:
    Ai was born on Oct. 21, 1947. She died on March 20, 2010. She published Cruelty in 1973. Her second book, Killing Floor (1978) was the Lamont selection from the Academy of American Poets. She won the National Book Award for Vice in 1999. She was awarded fellowships from the NEA and the Guggenheim Foundation.

    Hear Ai read her poem "The Good Shepherd" here.

    Read a tribute to Ai here.

    You can read Sharon Olds's "The Pope's Penis" here.


    Read "Return to the MFA: A Call for Systemic Change in the Literary Arts" by Namrata Poddar here.
    Please support independent bookstores! You can purchase Ai's books as well as books by other poets we mention in the show, at Loyalty Bookstores.


    (Taylor's Version) Jul 18, 2022
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    The queens get Swiftian!
    As always, please support the writers we mention by buying at indie bookstores. If you need a good one, we recommend Loyalty Bookstores, a black-owned DC-area store.

    Catherine Barnett is a Taurus. Watch Nicole Sealey perform Barnett's "Apophasis at the All-Night Rite Aid" here. (~2 min)

    You can read Vievee Francis's poem "Say It, Say It Any Way You Can" here.

    You can read the title poem of Cathy Linh Che's book, Split, here. The Literary House Press released a broadside of that poem; you can purchase that here.

    Visit Yes Yes Books here.

    Watch Diannely Antigua read "Diary Entry # 1: Testimony" from her Ugly Music here. (~2 min)

    Watch Roger Reeves read his poem "The Book of Commas" at the O, Miami Poetry Festival here. (~4 min)

    Watch the fabulosity that is Naomi Shihab Nye (Pisces) read her poem "How Do I Know When a Poem is Finished" here. (~2 min.) Her next book, The Turtle of Michigan, is a novel available from Greenwillow Books as of March 15, 2022.

    Matthew Olzmann (Libra) is the author of Constellation Route (Alice James, January 2022) and two previous collections of poems, Mezzanines and Contradictions in the Design. He teaches at Dartmouth College and in the MFA Program for Writers at Warren Wilson College. Watch him read his poem "Letter to the Person Who, During the Q&A Session After the Reading, Asked for Career Advice" (originally published in Waxwing) here. (~2.5 min.)

    Aaron Smith (Gemini) is the author most recently of The Book of Daniel (U Pittsburgh, 2019). He is co-editor for Court Green. Watch him read his poem "Cher Uncensored" here. (~2 min.)

    Lynn Melnick(Scorpio) has two books releasing in 2022: Refusenik: Poems (YesYes) and I've Had to Think Up a Way to Survive: On Trauma, Persistence, and Dolly Parton (University of Texas Press's American Music Series). She has 2 previous books of poems: Landscape with Sex and Violence (2017), and If I Should Say I Have Hope (2012). Read her poem "Landscape with Loanword and Solstice" in the New Yorker here and watch her read her poem "One Sentence About Los Angeles" here. (~2 min, CW for sexual assault.)

    Watch "10 Questions for John Ashbery" (with Time); he discusses poetry readings, art criticism, and why he hates the sound of his own voice here. (~4 min)

    You can read Claudia Rankine's "Open Letter: A Dialogue on Race and Poetry" here.

    You can hear Terrance Hayes's read his poems "Talk" and "The Blue Baraka" here, courtesy of the Folger Shakespeare Library (~7 min; "Talk" is up first).


    More Moore and Moore Jul 11, 2022
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    Our hysterical homosexuals pit quotes by Julianne and Marianne Moore, then play a game of fuck, marry, kill: the poetic form edition.


    You can read the Marianne Moore poems we reference by clicking on the links below:

    "Roses Only"

    "Nevertheless"

    "In Distrust of Merits"

    "Poetry"

    "Silence"

    Read a small essay by Annie Finch on (as well as Ms. Moore's poem) "What Are Years?" here.

    One correction: James gets a word wrong when he quotes Marianne Moore saying, "I have no sympathy for people who find unpopularity embittering," but she says she has "no sympathy with people." The quote is from her Selected Letters.
    We reference Michael Cunningham's The Hours, which won the 1999 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. Cunningham is a Scorpio and was the first out gay man to win the Pulitzer for Fiction (though many queer writers before him won, they had not publicly acknowledged their queerness).

    For readers and writers looking for books on form and craft:
    A great resource about the ghazal is Ravishing DisUnities: Real Ghazals in English, edited by Agha Shahid Ali. Another anthology about craft is Of Color: Poets' Ways of Making: An Anthology of Essays on Transformative Poetics (The Operating System, 2019; much of the anthology is available for download on TOS's website).

    We also recommend Lewis Turco's The New Book of Forms, as well as Annie Finch's and Kathrine Lore Varnes's An Exaltation of Forms: Contemporary Poets Celebrate the Diversity of Their Art. And David Lehman's edited collection called Ecstatic Occasions, Expedient Forms.
    Please support the poets and writers we mention, and support indie bookstores. If you need a good one, we recommend Loyalty Bookstores, a black-owned bookstore in Washington, DC.


    Theoretically 30 Jul 04, 2022
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    We're 30, dirty, and thriving! The queens name 30 poets for each other, and then we associate a word or phrase with each one. No beeps!
    Please consider supporting the poets we mention in today's show by buying their books! We can recommend Loyalty Bookstore, a black-owned DC-based indie bookstore that ships nationally.

    Watch Anne Carson read "A Lecture on Corners" here (~58 min)
    Marilyn Chin's website is http://www.marilynchin.org
    Watch Carolyn Kizer talk poetry and writing with Lucille Clifton, and read her poem "Bitch" here (~30 min)

    Find Rachel Zucker online here. Watch Rachel read "Don't Say Anything Beautiful Kiss Me" here (~3.5 min)

    James and Aaron are fascinated by Anne Waldman's "Uh-Oh Plutonium," which you can watch here.

    Alan Michael Parker can be found online at https://alanmichaelparker.com

    Nicole Sealey's website is https://www.nicolesealey.com. Watch her read her poem "Even the Gods" here (~2 min)

    Alex Dimitrov's website is https://www.alexdimitrov.com

    We mention two poems by Lynda Hull. Read "Night Waitress" here and "Black Mare" here.

    Listen to this fabulous On Being interview with Mary Oliver (~50 min; conducted in 2015)

    You can read Allen Ginsberg's "Howl" here.

    Listen to this great interview with Kimiko Hahn (Versus podcast; ~55 min)

    Philip Larkin's website is https://philiplarkin.com

    Here's a terrific poem by Michael Collier

    You can watch Danez Smith read "Dear White America" here. (~3.5 min)

    Here's a recipe for chocolate peanut butter oreo dirt pudding.
    There is absolutely at least one drag queen named Idaho, and you can find her on Twitter @akaidaho


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