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    BrakeSec Education Podcast

    A podcast about the world of Cybersecurity, Privacy, Compliance, and Regulatory issues that arise in today’s workplace. Co-hosts Bryan Brake, Brian Boettcher, and Amanda Berlin teach concepts that aspiring Information Security professionals need to know, or refresh the memories of seasoned veterans.

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    2017-039-creating custom training for your org, and audio from SANS Berlin! Nov 23, 2017
    Show notes

    This week is a bit of a short show, as Ms. Berlin and Mr. Boettcher are out this week for the holiday.

    I wanted to talk about something that I've started doing at work... Creating training... custom training that can help your org get around the old style training.

    Also, we got some community audio from one of our listeners! "JB" went to a SANS event in Berlin, Germany a few weeks ago, and talked to some attendees, as well as Heather Mahalick (@HeatherMahalik), instructor of the FOR585 FOR585: Advanced Smartphone Forensics"

    Take a listen and we hope you enjoy it!

    Direct Link: https://brakesec.com/2017-039

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    ---Show notes (from Bryan and JB)---

    Ms. Berlin in New Zealand

    Mr. Boettcher with the family

    Training

    What makes us despise training so much?

    Cookie cutter

    Scenarios do not match environments

    Speaking is a little too perfect

    Flash based

    UI is horrible

    Outdated

    Easy questions

    Infosec training is worse

    2 hours of training each year

    Not effective

    Why not make your own?

    Been doing it at work

    No more than 7 minutes

    Custom made

    Tailored for your own company

    Do you training like a talk at a con

    Time limit: 7 (no more than 10 minutes)

    Create some slides (5-7 slides)

    Do it on a timely topic

    Recent tabletop exercise results

    Recent incident response

    Phishing campaign

    Script or no-script required

    Sometimes talking plainly can be enough

    https://screencast-o-matic.com/ - Windows (free version is 7 minutes long)

    Quicktime - OSX (free) (Screenflow)

    Handbrake (convert to MKV or MP4)

    Microphone (can use internal microphones if you have a quiet place)

    [begin notes: SANS Berlin REMOTE segment]corresp. JB reach jb at(@cherokeejb_) on brakesec slack, twitter, & infosec.exchange--link to all trainers and info from archive SANS Berlin 2017 https://www.sans.org/event/berlin-2017/--pre-NetWars chat with the SEC 503 class:-what do you like about SANS conference-european privacy laws, even country to country!-biggest priority for next year: building a SOC, working together with sales, asset management, constant improvement, password reuse--special BrakeSec members only cameo--"bring your own device" interview with an Information Security/forensics professionalpassword elimination or no reuse--interview with Heather Mahalik (@HeatherMahalik)Bio https://www.sans.org/instructors/heather-mahalik-"game over" whatsapp, unpatched android, other known-historically weak tools as "assume breach of mobile"-interesection of network forensics and mobile-open source tools and the lack of, how to judge your tools-Heather's recent blog-getting into mobile, decompiling, etc.-number one topic for next year: encryption for Andriod 8 Oreo, iOS 12-"most popular android is still v4.4"Heather's blog we mentionedhttp://smarterforensics.comlink to the book Heather mentioned:https://www.amazon.com/Practical-Mobile-Forensics-Heather-Mahalik/dp/1786464209/ --link to blog mentioned, jb's initial reflections on SEC 503https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/whaaaa0101-0000-0011t-aka-extracting-files-out-pcaps-foremost JBs blog main link, or if you're not a fan of linkedinhttps://cherokeejb.blogspot.de/ small featured music clips used with permission from YGAM Records, Berlin"Ж" by the artist Ōtone (Pablo Discerens), (c)(p)2016 Get it for free or donate at http://ygam.bandcamp.com !book club EMEA!:message JB or David (@dpcybuck) or any of us on brakesec slack if you want to take part in the book club conversations live, but can't make the main call ! ---[end segment]


    2017-038- Michael De Libero discusses building out your AppSec Team Nov 15, 2017
    Show notes

    Direct Link: https://brakesec.com/2017-038

    Michael De Libero spends his work hours running an application security team at a gaming development company. I (Bryan) was really impressed at the last NCC Group Quarterly meetup when he gave a talk (not recorded) about how to properly build out your Application Security Team.

    So I asked him on, and we went over the highlights of his talk. Some of the topics included:

    Discussing with management your manpower issues

    Who to include in your team

    Communication between teams

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    ----SHOW NOTES:

    Amanda's appearance on PSW

    Building an AppSec Team - Michael de Libero (@noskillz)

    https://techbeacon.com/owasp-top-ten-update-what-your-security-team-needs-know\

    https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline

    https://www.veracode.com/blog/2012/02/how-to-build-an-appsec-training-program-for-development-teams-a-conversation-with-fred-pinkett

    Need link to Michael's slides -- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Bvl2rybuWMdOu3cs03U85zwAvrM1RNxv99Dt-YiGiys/edit?usp=sharing

    Random Notes from Mike:

    • Hiring
    • WebApps vs More traditional apps
      • Release cycles differ
      • Tech stacks can often differ
      • Orgs are different
      • Etc…
    • Testing-focus vs. "security health"
    • Role of management
      • Managing a "remote" team
    • Handling incoming requests from other teams

    How do you sell a company on having an appsec team if they don't have one?

    If you have an existing 'security team', how easily is it to augment that into an appsec team?

    Can you do job rotation with some devs?

    Do devs care enough to want to do code audits

    "That's not in my job description"

    Skills needed in an appsec team

    Does it depend on the tech used, or the tech you might use?

    Internal security vs. consultants

    Intro to RE course with Tyler Hudak

    Bsides Wellington speaker Amanda Berlin


    2017-037 - Asset management techniques, and it's importance, DDE malware Nov 08, 2017
    Show notes

    Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-037-asset_management.mp3

    We started off the show talking to Mr. Boettcher about what DDE is and how malware is using this super legacy Windows component (found in Windows 2) to propogate malware in MS Office docs and spreadsheets. We also talk about how to protect your Windows users from this.

    We then get into discussing why it's so important to have proper asset management in place. Without knowing what is in your environment, you could suffer gaps in coverage of your anti-virus/EDR software, unable to patch systems properly and even make it easier for lateral movement.

    Finally, we discuss our recent "Introduction to Reverse Engineering" course with Tyler Hudak (@secshoggoth), and Ms. Berlin's upcoming trip to New Zealand.

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    SHOW NOTES:

    Oreilly con report

    Malware report from Mr. Boettcher

    DDE (Dynamic Data Exchange), all the rage

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0

    https://kc.mcafee.com/resources/sites/MCAFEE/content/live/PRODUCT_DOCUMENTATION/27000/PD27325/en_US/McAfee_Labs_Threat_Advisory-W97MMacroLess.pdf

    http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/computing/10-facts-about-windows-2-11364027546216

    https://www.ghacks.net/2017/10/23/disable-office-ddeauto-to-mitigate-attacks/

    Why asset management?

    Know what's in your environment

    CIS Top 20...no wait, it's the TOP THREE of the 20.

    It all builds on this…

    Know what's in your environment

    http://www.open-audit.org/

    https://metacpan.org/pod/App::Netdisco <- NetDisco (great for network equipment)

    Where do you store that data? Or is it just enough to know where to get it?

    Systems you can pull asset data from:

    Patching systems

    Chef

    WSUS

    FIM systems

    Tripwire

    DLP systems

    Vuln Scanners

    AV/EDR management

    router/switch tables

    DNS

    Asset management systems are a gold mine for an attacker

    Names

    IPs

    email addresses

    Coverage gaps in these systems will cause you to lose asset visibility

    http://www.businessinsider.com/programmer-automates-his-job-2015-11


    2017-036-Adam Shostack talks about threat modeling, and how to do it properly Oct 29, 2017
    Show notes

    Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-036-Adam_Shostack-threat_modeling.mp3

    Adam Shostack has been a fixture of threat modeling for nearly 2 decades. He wrote the 'threat modeling' bible that many people consult when they need to do threat modeling properly.

    We discuss the different threat modeling types (STRIDE, DREAD, Trike, PASTA) and which ones Adam enjoys using.

    Mr. Boettcher asks how to handle when people believe an OS is better than another, how to do threat modeling to decide which OS should be the one to use.

    Stay after for a special post-show discussion with Adam about his friend Stephen Toulouse (@stepto).

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    SHOW NOTES:

    Ideas and suggestions here:

    Start with "What is threat modeling?" What is it, why do people do it, why do organizations do it?

    What happens when it's not done effectively, or at all?

    At what point in the SDLC should threat modeling be employed?

    Planning?

    Development?

    Can threat models be modified when new features/functionality gets added?

    Otherwise, are these just to 'check a compliance box'?

    Data flow diagram (example) -

    process flow

    External entities

    Process

    Multiple Processes

    Data Store

    Data Flow

    Privilege Boundary

    Classification of threats-

    STRIDE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STRIDE_(security)

    DREAD - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAD_(risk_assessment_model)

    PASTA - https://www.owasp.org/images/a/aa/AppSecEU2012_PASTA.pdf

    Trike - http://octotrike.org/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johari_window

    Butler Lampson, Steve Lipner link: https://www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2016/09/16/s.lipner-b.lampson_rfi_response.pdf

    Escalation Of Privilege card game: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=20303

    NIST CyberSecurity Framework: https://www.nist.gov/cyberframework

    Data Classification Toolkit - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh204743.aspx

    Microsoft bug bar (security) - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/cc307404.aspx

    Microsoft bug bar (privacy) - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/cc307403.aspx

    OWASP threat Modeling page: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Application_Threat_Modeling

    OWASP Threat Dragon - https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Threat_Dragon

    Emergent Design: https://adam.shostack.org/blog/2017/10/emergent-design-issues/

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/William_Yurcik/publication/228634178_Threat_Modeling_as_a_Basis_for_Security_Requirements/links/02bfe50d2367e32088000000.pdf

    Robert Hurlbut (workshop presenter at SourceCon Seattle) https://roberthurlbut.com/Resources/2017/NYMJCSC/Robert-Hurlbut-NYMJCSC-Learning-About-Threat-Modeling-10052017.pdf (much the same content as given at Source)

    Adam's Threat modeling book

    http://amzn.to/2z2cNI1 -- sponsored link

    https://www.amazon.com/Threat-Modeling-Designing-Adam-Shostack/dp/1118809998/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=

    Is the book still applicable?

    New book

    What traps do people fall into? Attacker-centered, asset-centered approaches

    Close with "how do I get started on threat modeling?"

    SecShoggoth's Class "intro to Re"

    Johari window? http://www.selfawareness.org.uk/news/understanding-the-johari-window-model


    2017-SPECIAL004- SOURCE Conference Seattle 2017 Oct 22, 2017
    Show notes

    After last year's SOURCE Conference, I knew I needed to go again, not just because it was a local (Seattle) infosec conference, but because of the caliber of speakers and the range of topics that were going to be covered.

    I got audio from two of the speakers at the SOURCE conference (@sourceconf) on Twitter

    Lee Fisher and Paul English from PreOS Security about UEFI security and methods to secure your devices https://preossec.com/

    Joe Basirico discusses the proper environment to get the best out of your bug bounty program.

    points from his abstract:

    Bug Bounty Programs - Why you want to invite security researchers to hack your products

    Marketing your Security Program - How and why to market your security program. What to say, how to say it, and where to say it for maximum effectiveness.

    How to Communicate with Security Researchers - What are security researchers expecting in communication, responsiveness, transparency, and time to fix.

    Source conference YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAPQk1fH2A4pzYjwTCt5-dw/videos (2017 is not available yet, but all talk from 2008-2015 is available)

    agenda of the talks that occurred at Source Seattle 2017

    https://www.sourceconference.com/seattle-2017-agenda

    https://www.sourceconference.com/copy-of-seattle-2016-agenda-details

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    2017-035-Business_Continuity-After_the_disaster Oct 16, 2017
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    Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-035-business_continuity-After_the_disaster.mp3

    We are back this week after a bit of time off, and we getting right back into it...

    What happens after you enact your business continuity plan? Many times, it can cause you to have to change processes, procedures... you may not even be doing business in the same country or datacenter, and you may be needing to change the way business is done.

    We also talk a bit about 3rd party vendor reviews, and what would happen if your 3rd party doesn't have a proper plan in place.

    Finally, we discuss the upcoming #reverseEngineering course starting on 30 October 2017 with Tyler Hudak, as well some upcoming appearances for Ms. Berlin at SecureWV, GrrCon, and Bsides Wellington, #newZealand

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    ---SHOW NOTES---

    You have enacted your BC/DR plan

    Step 1. Panic

    Step 2. Panic more, or let your management panic

    Step 3. Follow the plan… you do have a plan, right?

    Enacting a BC/DR plan

    RPO/RTO - https://www.druva.com/blog/understanding-rpo-and-rto/

    Recovery Point Objective (RPO) describes the interval of time that might pass during a disruption before the quantity of data lost during that period exceeds the Business Continuity Plan's maximum allowable threshold or "tolerance."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_point_objective

    Recovery Time Objective (RTO) is the duration of time and a service level within which a business process must be restored after a disaster in order to avoid unacceptable consequences associated with a break in continuity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_time_objective

    https://uptime.is/99.99

    Excerpt from "Defensive Security Handbook" -

    Buy from Amazon (sponsored link): http://amzn.to/2zcmWBY

    Recovery Point Objective

    The recovery point objective (RPO) is the point in time that you wish to recover to. That is, determining if you need to be able to recover data right up until seconds before the disaster strikes, or whether the night before is acceptable, or the week before, for example. This does not take into account of how long it takes to make this recovery, only the point in time from which you will be resuming once recovery has been made. There is a tendency to jump straight to seconds before the incident; however, the shorter the RPO, the more the costs and complexity will invariably move upwards.

    Recovery Time Objective

    The recovery time objective (RTO) is how long it takes to recover, taken irrespective of the RPO. That is, after the disaster, how long until you have recovered to the point determined by the RPO.

    To illustrate with an example, if you operate a server that hosts your brochureware website, the primary goal is probably going to be rapidly returning the server to operational use. If the content is a day old it is probably not as much of a problem as if the system held financial transactions whereby the availability of recent transactions is important. In this case an outage of an hour may be tolerable, with data no older than one day once recovered.

    In this case the RPO would be one day, and the RTO would be one hour.

    There is often a temptation for someone from a technology department to set these times; however, it should be driven by the business owners of systems. This is for multiple reasons:

    • It is often hard to justify the cost of DR solutions. Allowing the business to set requirements, and potentially reset requirements if costs are too high, not only enables informed decisions regarding targets, but also reduces the chances of unrealistic expectations on recovery times.
    • IT people may understand the technologies involved, but do not always have the correct perspective to make a determination as to what the business' priorities are in such a situation.
    • The involvement of the business in the DR and BCP plans eases the process of discussing budget and expectations for these solutions.

    RPO should be determined when working through a Business impact analysis (BIA)

    https://www.ready.gov/business-impact-analysis

    https://www.fema.gov/media-library/assets/documents/89526

    There is always a gap between the actuals (RTA/RPA) and objectives

    After an incident or disaster, a 'Lessons Learned' should identify shortcomings and adjust accordingly.

    This may also affect contracts, or customers may require re-negotiation of their RTO/RPO requirements

    If something happens 4 hours after a backup, and you have an hour until the next backup, you have to reconcile the lost information, or take it as a loss

    Loss = profits lost, fines for SLAs

    You may not be doing the same after the disaster. New processes, procedures

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fedex-says-some-damage-from-notpetya-ransomware-may-be-permanent/

    Ms. Berlin's appearances

    Grrcon - http://grrcon.com/

    Hack3rcon/SecureWV - http://securewv.com/

    Oreilly Conference - https://conferences.oreilly.com/security/sec-ny/public/schedule/detail/61290

    Experts Table?

    Bsides Wellington (sold-out)

    ----

    CLASS INFORMATION

    Introduction to Reverse Engineering with Tyler Hudak

    Starts on 30 October - 20 November

    4 Mondays

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    2017-SPECIAL003-Audio from Derbycon 2017! Oct 07, 2017
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    Direct Link: http://traffic.libsyn.com/brakeingsecurity/2017-SPECIAL003-Derbycon_audio.mp3

    Mr. Boettcher, Ms. Berlin, and I went to Derbycon. In addition to the podcast with podcasters we did during the 3 days, I managed to grab another whole hour of audio from various people at the conference, just to give you an idea of the vibe of the conference, in case you were unable to attend.

    We talked to the FOOOLs (http://www.bloomingtonfools.org/), and how they have done the lockpick village for the last 7 years.

    We talk to Ms. Wynter (@sec_she_lady) about her experiences at her first Derbycon.

    Mr. Matt Miller (@milhous30) talked about some of his #reverse #engineering challenges that were in the #Derbycon #CTF

    Lots of great talks happened there this year, check them all out over on @irongeek's site (http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/derbycon7/mainlist)

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    2017-034-Preston_Pierce, recruiting, job_descriptions Oct 02, 2017
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    *Apologies for the continuity this was recorded before we went to Derbycon 2017.*

    Preston Pierce is a recruiter. We wanted to have him on to discuss some issues with our industry. So we had him on to discuss hiring practices, how a recruiter can help a company recruiter better talent, and how to stop companies looking for the 'unicorn' candidate.

    Preston is a great guy and we learned a lot about how the recruiting process works, and how Preston's company work differently from other, less reputable companies.

    We also discuss job descriptions, getting management buy in for a good candidate, and more.

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    Show Notes:

    https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/09/01/1729237/us-employers-struggle-to-match-workers-with-open-jobs

    Blueteamers

    Looking at job descriptions,

    Fix if outdated or unnecessary

    Managers

    Be realistic about expectations

    Recruiters

    Better research of people

    Discuss realistic demands from customers

    You

    Update your LinkedIn removing overly generalized terms (healthcare, for example)

    When should you reach out to a recruiter? Right away? After you've already completed some leg work?

    Companies do a poor job of marketing for their current openings.


    2017-SPECIAL002-Derbycon-podcast with podcasters (NSF Kids/Work) Sep 27, 2017
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    SUPER NOT SAFE for kids (and probably adults, come to think of it). Really this is just us riffing about derbycon (and I really love @oncee, and wished I'd gone to his stable talk (which you can listen/watch here: http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=videos/derbycon7/s07-the-skills-gap-how-can-we-fix-it-bill-gardner)

    We actually did talk about the skills gap, resume workshop held at Derbycon, and so much else.

    If you haven't been to Derbycon, you should definitely make plans now to attend...

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    2017-033- Zane Lackey, Inserting security into your DevOps environment Sep 17, 2017
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    Zane Lackey (@zanelackey on Twitter) loves discussing how to make the DevOps, and the DevSecOps (or is it 'SecDevOps'... 'DevOpsSec'?)

    So we talk to him about the best places to get the most bang for your buck getting security into your new DevOps environment. What is the best way to do that? Have a listen...

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    --SHOW NOTES--

    Security shifts from being a gatekeeper to enabling teams to be secure by default

    Require a culture shift

    Should that be implemented before the shift to CI/CD, or are we talking 'indiana jones and the rock in the temple'?

    How?

    Secure coding?

    Hardening boxes/Systems?

    If it's just dev -> prod, where does security have the chance to find issues (i.e. test and QA belong there)?

    We used to have the ability for a lot of security injection points, but no longer

    Lowers the number of people we have to harangue to be secure…?

    Security success = baked in to DevOps

    Shift from a 'top down' to 'bottom up'

    Eliminate FPs, and forward on real issues to devs

    Concentrate on one or two types of vulnerabilities

    Triage vulns from most important to least important

    Go for 'quick wins', or things that don't take a lot of time for devs to fix.

    Grepping for 'system(), or execve()'

    Primitives (hashing, encryption, file system operations)

    How do you stop a build going to production if it's going out like that?

    Do we allow insecurity to go to Production?

    Or would it be too late to 'stop the presses'?

    "We'll fix it in post…"

    Instead of the 'guardrail not speedbump' you are the driving instructor...

    But where does security get in to be able to talk to devs about data flow, documentation of processes?

    5 Y's - Why are you doing that?

    Setup things like alerting on git repos, especially for sensitive code

    Changing a sensitive bit of code or file may notify people

    Will make people think before making changes

    Put controls in terms of how they enable velocity

    You like you some bug bounties, why?

    Continuous feedback

    Learn to find/detect attackers as early in the attack chain

    Refine your vuln triage/response

    Use bug reports as IR/DFIR...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORtYTDSmi4U

    https://www.slideshare.net/zanelackey/how-to-adapt-the-sdlc-to-the-era-of-devsecops

    http://www.slideshare.net/zanelackey/building-a-modern-security-engineering-organization

    In SAST, a modern way to decide what to test is start with a small critical vuln, like OS command injection. Find those and get people to fix it. BUT don't developers or project teams get unhappy [sic] if you keep "moving the goal post" as you add in the next SAST test and the next SAST test. How do you do that and not piss people off?

    [15:16]

    How do you make development teams self sufficient when it comes to writing a secure application? Security is a road block during a 3 month release schedule….getting "security approval" in a 3 day release cycle is impossible.

    [15:17]

    But then…what is the job for the security team? If DevOps with security is done right, do you still need a security team, if so what do they do???? Do they write more code???

    I don't think your Dev'ops'ing security out of a job...but where does security see itself in 5 years?

    Last one if there is time and interest. If Zane Lackey was a _maintainer_ of an open source project, what dev ops sec lessons would he apply to that dev model…to the OpenSource model?

    (We've got internal projects managed with the open source model...so im interested in this one)

    Even with out any of those questions the topics he covered in his black hat talk are FULL of content to talk about. Heck, even bug bounties are a topic of conversation.

    The idea of a feedback loop to dev...where an application under attack in a pen test can do fixes live....how that is possible is loads of content.


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