BJC Podcast

Ep. 20: Supreme Court in July! Jul 16, 2020

The doctrine of the “ministerial exception” and the latest installment in the ongoing saga of challenges to the contraceptive mandate capped off this year’s Supreme Court term. Amanda and Holly give their analysis of those key cases impacting religious liberty and discuss how they interact with other decisions from this blockbuster year. In this season finale, Amanda and Holly also look back at our entire season of Respecting Religion and invite you to continue the conversation.

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Ep. 19: SCOTUS disregards distinctiveness of religion in school funding decision Jul 09, 2020

Amanda and Holly examine the troubling Supreme Court ruling that has major implications for funding education and protecting against government-sponsored religion. They break down the decision in Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue, including a concurrence that would undermine the entire Establishment Clause and the different angles taken by the dissenting justices. In segment three, Amanda and Holly share ways they are seeing religion respected in the world around us.

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Ep. 18: White supremacy and American Christianity Jul 02, 2020

We’re bringing you important conversations on white supremacy and American Christianity in this episode. First, we’ll play the June 26 discussion between researcher Robert P. Jones of PRRI and journalist Adelle Banks from Religion News Service (starting at 2:14). Jones is the author of the forthcoming White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity, and he talks with Banks about the church’s current “moment of reckoning” across denominational lines, particularly as white churches have been either blind to their part in systemic racism or have ignored it. This podcast also features Amanda’s call to action from the June 26 event, including the dangers of Christian nationalism (25:39). We’re also bringing you part of a follow-up conversation with BJC’s Charles Watson Jr. and Dr. Alphonso Saville of Georgetown University (37:48), where they discuss a wide range of issues, including how arguments can inform how we proceed and the importance of understanding history.

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Ep. 17: A landmark case for LGBTQ rights: What’s next for religious liberty? Jun 18, 2020

This week, the Supreme Court issued a landmark case for LGBTQ rights, interpreting Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity. Amanda and Holly discuss the opinion and the dissents, looking at the way each interprets “because of sex” in the statute. They also talk about how the opinion and dissents discuss implications for religious liberty, as well as responses to the case from the community. In the final segment, Amanda and Holly discuss and recommend recent movies and podcasts and invite you to join upcoming conversations about religious liberty, race, white supremacy and American Christianity.

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Ep. 16: When religious liberty covers racism Jun 11, 2020

As the conversation about racial justice continues in our country, we dig in to talk about race and religious liberty. BJC Director of Education Charles Watson Jr. joins Amanda and Holly for a personal conversation about his experiences and how his work at BJC intersects with the work for racial justice. He tells his story and explains how a seminal speech at a BJC Luncheon on Juneteenth impacted the trajectory of his work at BJC. Amanda, Holly and Charles discuss how different ethnic communities view the phrase “separation of church and state” and why the work for religious freedom matters. Plus, in the third segment, they discuss how they are seeing religion respected in books and articles this week.

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Ep. 15: Protests, the president, and the photo op with a Bible Jun 04, 2020

After President Trump publicly addressed the unrest following the killing of George Floyd, peaceful protesters were violently dispersed and the president posed for a photo holding a Bible in front of a church. This week, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman talk about the photo op and what it means in terms of religious liberty and Christian nationalism. They also review the most recent legal developments related to houses of worship and the coronavirus, including a late-night Supreme Court order and an unexplained change on the CDC’s guidance for houses of worship. In the third segment, Amanda and Holly answer listener questions and share important books for self-reflection and action to take a stand against systemic racial injustice.

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Ep. 14: Finding the right response to reopening May 21, 2020

Churches are facing a barrage of challenges as they navigate whether, when and how to resume in-person worship and other gatherings during the coronavirus pandemic. This week, Amanda and Holly explore what’s at stake for churches and how religious liberty fits into these nuanced conversations (28:30). They look at what makes religion unique in the reopening landscape and respond to articles about life in our current context. Plus, find out how you can help shape a future episode of Respecting Religion – we want to hear from you!

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Ep. 13: Who’s a ‘minister’ and who gets to decide? May 14, 2020

On this episode, Amanda and Holly discuss this week’s Supreme Court arguments in cases involving the ministerial exception, a First Amendment doctrine that makes Title VII and other employment discrimination protections inapplicable to certain employees of religious organizations. They explain what the doctrine means (5:33), what you need to know about the 2012 Hosanna-Tabor case that looms large in this term’s cases (3:55), and what to make of active questioning from the justices in this week’s oral arguments (17:20). They also comment on a related line of questioning about public schools that connects to other Supreme Court cases and areas of BJC’s work.

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Ep. 12: Not a charm: Contraceptive mandate returns to the Supreme Court for the third time May 07, 2020

The controversy over the contraceptive mandate was back at the U.S. Supreme Court this week. Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman react to the live arguments in Trump v. Pennsylvania and give the history of the contraceptive mandate, including how the Hobby Lobby and Zubik cases led to this one. They also share audio clips from key moments in the arguments and discuss what’s at stake for religious liberty when religious accommodations turn into “all-or-nothing” claims on both sides.

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Ep. 11: Christian nationalism during the coronavirus pandemic Apr 30, 2020

The dangerous political ideology of Christian nationalism is a persistent problem in our country, and continues to be during the COVID-19 pandemic. This week, Amanda and Holly talk about how Christian nationalism often contributes to confusion about religious liberty in our public discourse at this time, conflating legal and religious understandings. They review troubling rhetoric from political leaders and how to train your ears for telltale signs that someone is using religion for their own political purposes.

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Ep. 10: Lawsuits challenging COVID-19 directives Apr 23, 2020

As religious communities deal with bans on mass gatherings, legal disputes are popping up across the country. What’s happening now, and what could we see more of when the country begins lifting restrictions? This week, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman examine the key issues in these lawsuits (starting at 12:45) and talk about how courts are ruling in the various cases, including drive-in church services (19:42). Plus, they share how they’re learning about other religious traditions as people of faith continue to respond to the coronavirus pandemic.

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Ep. 09: Eboo Patel and interfaith collaboration Apr 16, 2020

How do religious groups work together for the greater good? On this episode of Respecting Religion, we bring you a conversation featuring Eboo Patel, the founder of Interfaith Youth Core (starting at 13:01). In this discussion from March 2020, Patel talks about how the history behind the term “Judeo-Christian” suggests opportunities for greater religious inclusion, shares personal reflections on what it is like to be a Muslim in America today, and explains why he is optimistic about religious pluralism. Plus, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman talk about how they saw religion respected in the world during the celebrations of Easter and Passover.

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Ep. 08: Religious freedom in the age of coronavirus Apr 09, 2020

As the coronavirus changes everything – including the topics for this podcast series – Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman review how religious freedom principles are coming into focus. They talk about three principles that are part of many conversations during this time: the essential nature of religion for many people (04:53), why the government does not have to treat religious organizations differently when it comes to health and safety (12:00), and why the government should not fund religion (19:55). In the third segment, Amanda and Holly talk about what they are doing – and being inspired by – during this week that marks the beginning of Passover and the advent of Easter.

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Ep. 07: New laws – including the CARES Act – and houses of worship Apr 02, 2020

As the country continues to grapple with the coronavirus, Congress passed and the president signed stimulus packages that impact businesses and nonprofits. But, what does this mean for houses of worship? On this week’s Respecting Religion, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman review the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (starting at 5:35), provisions of the CARES Act (15:45) – including the Paycheck Protection Program Loans (20:10) and increased charitable giving incentives – and more. They discuss new requirements and opportunities for nonprofits and what houses of worship need to consider when determining whether to apply for financial relief programs. In the third segment, Amanda and Holly explore how religious communities are caring for people in new ways during this time.

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Ep. 06: Stay-at-home orders, religious freedom and RFRA Mar 26, 2020

What does it mean for religious liberty when the government asks houses of worship not to hold services in the middle of a pandemic? Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman look at the impact of the coronavirus on religious communities and how they are responding (starting at 6:13). Plus, they explore a key law that keeps coming up in these conversations: the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (starting at 23:03). In the final segment, Amanda and Holly share how the stay-at-home orders are impacting them and how churches are finding new ways to serve in this time.

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Ep. 05: Supreme Court cases on employment discrimination Mar 19, 2020

The coronavirus is leading many conversations this week, and we’ll talk about how it has impacted religious communities during this unprecedented time. But first, Amanda Tyler and Holly Holllman take a look at several Supreme Court cases this term that deal with protections for workers from employment discrimination that could have implications for religious organizations. They break down the term “because of sex” in Title VII (starting at 4:30) and discuss the ministerial exception (18:20), an important part of the law that protects religious organizations. On the final segment, Amanda and Holly share how the coronavirus is impacting – and showcasing – religion in the lives of Americans and how we can lean into a theology of abundance during this time (34:40).

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Ep. 04: On the Regs: Faith-based regulations from the Trump administration Mar 12, 2020

This year, the Trump administration released proposed regulations impacting faith-based organizations that partner with the government. But, the story has gone largely unnoticed by the media, and it can have huge implications for people receiving government services. On this episode of Respecting Religion, Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman discuss the history of government partnerships with faith-based groups – including “Charitable Choice” and the faith-based initiative office under President George W. Bush (6:07). They also explore the new Trump administration proposals and three major points of concern that could undermine the religious freedom rights of those who often receive government services (21:13). In the final segment, Holly and Amanda discuss how religion has been discussed during the Democratic presidential primary and what this means about how religion is respected in our conversations (36:45).

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Ep. 03: Religion and public schools Mar 05, 2020

Has God been kicked out of the public schools? Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman dig into a recent announcement from President Trump about constitutional prayer in public schools and explore the rhetoric and the reality. Hear their reactions to the Oval Office announcement (starting at 3:20), the stories behind the stories shared there (11:11), and the long history of guidelines on religion in the public schools through Supreme Court cases and consensus efforts (18:32). In the final segment, Amanda and Holly look at how religion is portrayed – and not – in the movie “Little Women” (37:35) and discuss a meditation practice in a public school.

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Ep. 02: Supreme Court case on gov’t funding of religion: Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue Feb 27, 2020

Why is religion treated differently by our Constitution? In a blockbuster year at the Supreme Court, BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and General Counsel Holly Hollman examine one case that could have major implications for religious liberty law. They dig deeper into Espinoza v. Montana Department of Revenue (starting at 1:50), talk about what people mean when they say “Blaine amendments,” explain the footnote of a previous decision that came up during oral arguments (18:20), and share their predictions for the decision. They also point out the links between this case and other events, including a troubling proposal released by President Trump during his State of the Union address (29:31). In the final segment, Amanda and Holly review how Supreme Court news continues to dominate religious liberty conversations and note how religion is being treated in news about the coronavirus (39:57). See the show notes for more details.

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Ep. 01: Respecting Religion and the National Prayer Breakfast Feb 20, 2020

Why do we need to talk about religion and the law? In the inaugural episode of the “Respecting Religion” podcast series, BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and General Counsel Holly Hollman recount things that have happened in the first few weeks of 2020 (starting at 4:50) and discuss the importance of understanding what’s at stake. They also share their reactions to this year’s unusually political National Prayer Breakfast (28:44), including the lessons it has for all of us. Plus, Amanda and Holly talk about their favorite rejected names for this new podcast series (16:30).

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Podcast Series Preview: Respecting Religion Feb 13, 2020

It seems like we’re constantly seeing new headlines about religious liberty or an important legal development about the relationship between faith and government. Keep track of it all with our new podcast series: Respecting Religion. Each week, BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and General Counsel Holly Hollman will sit down for a conversation on recent developments regarding religion and the law. Respecting Religion begins on February 20, and new episodes will be released each Thursday.

We respect our country’s commitment to religious freedom for everyone. From Supreme Court cases, to new policies from the administration, to what role Congress is playing in all of it, Holly and Amanda will review how religion is being respected today and how we can work to protect faith freedom for all.

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Ep. 10: Embracing civic pluralism Oct 02, 2019

What’s the antidote to Christian nationalism? To conclude our podcast series, we take a look at what it means to embrace civic pluralism with Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith Youth Core. He talks with BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler about the difference in religious and civic pluralism, the origins of the term “Judeo-Christian,” connections between anti-Muslim bigotry and anti-Catholic bigotry, and how we can create a “potluck nation,” where everyone brings their unique contributions to the table.

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Ep. 09: Religious freedom, church-state law and Christian nationalism Sep 25, 2019

In light of our conversations about Christian nationalism, this podcast takes a broader view of work in the church-state realm. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler is joined by Rabbi Ambassador David Saperstein, Melissa Rogers and BJC General Counsel Holly Hollman to look at the challenges to our constitutional commitment to religious liberty for all people. As they note, disagreement on the proper application of the First Amendment’s religion clauses is not necessarily evidence of Christian nationalism. Hear them discuss the complexity in this area of the law, the role of religion in public life, the dangers of government promotion of religion, how the Supreme Court tends to interpret the religion clauses, the protections provided by the separation of church and state, and more.

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Ep. 08: Christian nationalism and white nationalism Sep 18, 2019

As we continue to explore the overlap of Christian nationalism and white supremacy, this week’s episode looks at their connection and the impact on communities. Hear from the Rev. Dr. Aidsand Wright-Riggins about race, reconciliation, religious liberty, Christian supremacy and more

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Ep. 07: Christian nationalism, race and white supremacy Sep 11, 2019

What is the connection between the history of racism and Christian nationalism? On this podcast, Jemar Tisby shares a historical view of white Christian nationalism in America, including how conflations of politics, race and religion in our past continue to impact conversations today. The author of The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church’s Complicity in Racism, Tisby discusses how American Christianity and racism have overlapped for more than 400 years, including examples across several centuries of history. This is episode seven of our 10-week podcast series on Christian nationalism. Visit BJConline.org/ChristianNationalism for more on the series and the Christians Against Christian Nationalism campaign.

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Ep. 06: Standing against Project Blitz in a state legislature Sep 04, 2019

What happens when bills influenced by Christian nationalism appear in state legislatures? Minnesota State Sen. John Marty discusses his experience standing against legislation from the “Project Blitz” playbook in this episode of our podcast series. He talks about how his Christian faith influences his work defending the rights of all people, and he shares stories about the pushback and accusations he received as he worked to make sure his faith isn’t used to crush others. This is episode six in our 10-week series on Christian nationalism.

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Ep. 05: Understanding Project Blitz Aug 28, 2019

“Project Blitz,” a coordinated effort to draft and pass bills informed by Christian nationalism, is showing up in state legislatures across the country. What is this effort, and what are its goals? Frederick Clarkson, the writer who broke the story about Project Blitz, discusses its origins, motivations and definitions of success.
This is episode five of our 10-week podcast series on Christian nationalism. Visit BJConline.org/ChristianNationalism for more on the series and the Christians Against Christian Nationalism campaign.

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Ep. 04: Theological view of Christian nationalism with Walter Brueggemann Aug 21, 2019

What does the Bible have to teach us about Christian nationalism? Author and scholar Walter Brueggemann talks about the theological dangers of Christian nationalism in the fourth episode of our podcast series. Hear his thoughts on what the prophets have to teach us about our current times, the importance of the crucifixion and resurrection narrative in these conversations, and what the Bible says about oppression, hope, truth and power.

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Ep. 03: Were we founded as a Christian nation? Aug 14, 2019

Learn about the political and religious history behind the idea that the United States was founded as a “Christian nation” in this episode of our podcast series on Christian nationalism. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler talks with Dr. Steven Green, author of "Inventing a Christian America: The Myth of the Religious Founding," about the political history of this concept. On the second half of the episode, we hear from church historian Bill Leonard (starting at 21:38) on what religious leaders said and did during the founding of the United States.

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Ep. 02: Academic view of Christian nationalism Aug 07, 2019

Dr. Andrew Whitehead talks about his work researching Christian nationalism in the second episode of our special podcast series. A professor of sociology at Clemson University, he explains what Christian nationalism is, how he and other researchers measure the ideology, and how it affects the way individuals see the world. Whitehead also shares how Christian nationalism differs from religious practice and the way it impacts all Americans.

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Ep. 01: Christian leaders on Christian nationalism Jul 31, 2019

In the first episode of our podcast series on Christian nationalism, hear what Christian leaders have to say about the ideology. BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler speaks with Bishop Elizabeth Eaton of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (starting at 5:19); Rev. Dr. Paul Baxley of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (10:12); Diane Randall from the Friends Committee on National Legislation (15:02); Sister Simone Campbell of NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice (19:14); and Rev. Dr. Jeffrey Haggray of American Baptist Home Mission Societies (23:13).

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Podcast Series Preview: The Dangers of Christian Nationalism Jul 29, 2019

Join us for a 10-week podcast series on the dangers of Christian nationalism. Amanda Tyler speaks with researchers, journalists, theologians, historians, and others, including Walter Brueggemann, Sister Simone Campbell, Eboo Patel, Bishop Elizabeth Eaton, author Steven Green, Bill Leonard, and many more. Episodes release each Wednesday, starting July 31, 2019.

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Examining the cross case decision with Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman Jul 03, 2019

What does the Supreme Court's most recent church-state decision mean for all of us? BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and General Counsel Holly Hollman examine the Court's splintered 7-2 decision in the Bladensburg cross case and discuss what it means for the future.

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Podcast: BJC’s new look, with Buzz Thomas and Amanda Tyler Jun 20, 2019

Get to know more about BJC’s new look and website resources. Oliver “Buzz” Thomas, former BJC general counsel, interviews Executive Director Amanda Tyler about how BJC is working to inform about religious liberty issues and equip people to make a difference.

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Molly Marshall on theological education, an international approach to faith, and ministry May 30, 2019

Molly Marshall, the president of Central Baptist Theological Seminary, sits down with Amanda Tyler for a wide-ranging discussion on theological education, her journey in ministry, the importance of an international view of religion, and advice for women beginning their career in ministry.

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Race, religious liberty and reconciliation May 14, 2019

Rev. Dr. Aidsand Wright-Riggins sits down with BJC’s Amanda Tyler for a conversation about race, religious liberty, and reconciliation, including his experiences seeking racial justice.

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An inclusive approach to religious liberty: BJC Dinner May 07, 2019

What gets left out of our conversations about religious liberty? Hear Dr. Corey Walker, Dr. Linda McKinnish Bridges, and Amanda Tyler discuss the need for an inclusive approach to religious liberty, and hear from 10 BJC Fellows. Recorded during the BJC Dinner on April 26, 2019.

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Why Do Pastors Care About Public Schools? Apr 16, 2019

Podcast interview with Christine Browder and Rev. Charles F. Johnson on the faith leader's role and boundaries in supporting public education.

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Reflections on Supreme Court arguments in the Cross Case Mar 01, 2019

BJC's Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman share their takeaways from the oral arguments in the Bladensburg cross case, including their analysis of what they heard in the courtroom and the scene outside the Court.

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Bladensburg Cross Case: A Discussion with Amanda Tyler and Holly Hollman Jan 31, 2019

A conversation on the case of The American Legion v. American Humanist Association.

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Previewing the 2019 Shurden Lectures Dec 19, 2018

Preview of the 2019 Shurden Lectures with Molly Marshall and Aidsand Wright-Riggins.

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2018 BJC Fellows Nov 26, 2018

2018 BJC Fellows BJC Associate Director of Mobilization Christine Browder chats with two of the 2018 BJC Fellows, Tanner Bean and Claire Hein Blanton, about their experience at the BJC Fellows Seminar, what’s next for them, and why they choose to give to the BJC.

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Brian Kaylor and Amanda Tyler in Missouri Nov 02, 2018

Hear an interview with BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and Brian Kaylor, host of "Baptist without an Adjective."

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Amanda Tyler testifies before Congress Oct 15, 2018

Take a listen to the congressional testimony of BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler in this podcast.

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2018 Religious Liberty Council Luncheon Jul 16, 2018

Hear from BJC Fellows at the 2018 Religious Liberty Council Luncheon.

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Pastor Stephen Cook on supporting the Johnson Amendment Jun 19, 2018

The Rev. Dr. Stephen Cook, pastor of Second Baptist Church in Memphis, Tennessee, discusses why he supports the Johnson Amendment and how it protects houses of worship.

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Amanda Tyler and Buddy Shurden May 21, 2018

Listen to insight on the history of the Shurden Lectures.

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Charles Haynes previews the 2018 Shurden Lectures Mar 01, 2018

Charles Haynes and Amanda Tyler preview the 2018 Shurden Lectures and discuss common misconceptions about the role of religion in public schools, current conversations over conscience, and much more.

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A look at the Johnson Amendment with Amanda Tyler and Tim Delaney Feb 27, 2018

Learn more about the Johnson Amendment and how it protects houses of worship and nonprofits in this podcast, featuring BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler and Tim Delaney from the National Council of Nonprofits.

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Roger Williams Day Feb 01, 2018

Roger Williams Day Podcast

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MLK Day 2018 Jan 12, 2018

To mark Martin Luther King Jr. Day (MLK Day) this year, our friends at the First Baptist Church of Asheville have generously allowed us to share a sermon by Minister Leah Brown, that recounts the importance of MLK’s legacy and impact. Head to iTunes for more BJC podcasts.

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Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission Nov 30, 2017

Holly Hollman and Amanda Tyler discuss the high-profile Masterpiece Cakeshop case and the BJC's brief in this podcast.

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BJC Fellows on Giving Tuesday Nov 21, 2017

Support the BJC Fellows Program on Giving Tuesday!

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Yusra Ahmed, 2017 Religious Liberty Essay Contest Winner Nov 08, 2017

Hear from the winner of our 2017 Religious Liberty Essay Scholarship Contest in this BJC podcast. The contest asked students to explore the idea of using religious tests as part of the United States’ immigration and refugee policies. Yusra Ahmed of Quincy, Mass., then a high school senior and now a college freshman, won the […]

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Constitution Day Podcast: Holly Hollman on foundations of religious liberty Sep 15, 2017

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Gurwin Ahuja of the National Sikh Campaign and Know Your Neighbor Feb 24, 2017

Gurwin Ahuja of the National Sikh Campaign shares how his desire to combat cultural ignorance led him to create the Know Your Neighbor coalition. The coalition, which includes the BJC and several other religious and humanist groups, is working to create dialogue to reduce religious tensions and maximize the strength of our nation’s diverse heritage. Learn […]

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Amanda Tyler and Brent Walker on the future of the BJC Jan 17, 2017

In this podcast, BJC Executive Director Amanda Tyler talks with her predecessor, Brent Walker, about her 20-year relationship with the Baptist Joint Committee. While she has fond memories of serving as an intern and legal assistant, Tyler is looking to the future. She is excited to work on church-state issues at the federal and state levels, […]

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Maya Boddie and Stephen Guzman on the BJC internship program Dec 28, 2016

For more than three decades, the Baptist Joint Committee internship program has helped young people get a step up on their careers while experiencing life on Capitol Hill. In this podcast, fall 2016 interns Maya Boddie and Stephen Guzman discuss what it’s like to spend a semester working alongside BJC staff. Although they come from […]

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Raphael G. Warnock on Religious Liberty and the Black Church Dec 19, 2016

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Stan Hastey on BJC history, religious liberty and speaking up Oct 28, 2016

Stan Hastey’s storied career includes 15 years in the BJC communications department and another 20 as executive director of the Alliance of Baptists. Hastey is also a student of Baptist history and wrote his doctoral dissertation on the Baptist Joint Committee. In this podcast, the most recent J.M. Dawson Religious Liberty Award recipient discusses […]

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