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    Behind the Book Cover

    A book can do more than sell copies. It can build your authority, strengthen your personal brand and create entirely new opportunities for your business.

    Hosted by New York Times bestselling author Anna David, Behind the Book Cover explores how successful entrepreneurs, authors and thought leaders use books, media and marketing to become better known, reach more people and grow their businesses.

    Through candid conversations with traditionally published authors and independently published entrepreneurs—including business owners whose books have added seven figures to their bottom lines—Anna reveals what really happens behind the cover. The show goes beyond book publishing to explore marketing for entrepreneurs, CEO personal branding, thought leadership strategy and how turning your expertise into a book can help make you an authority in your industry.

    Anna’s books have been published by HarperCollins and Simon & Schuster, and she is the founder of Legacy Launch Pad Publishing, a leading hybrid publisher for entrepreneurs. In other words, she knows both sides of the publishing industry—and isn’t afraid to share what traditional publishers don’t want you to know.

    Behind the Book Cover is brought to you by Authority Network.

    Find out whether a book could help grow your business:
    https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/book-score-card

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    Dennis Hensley on Going from Landing a Book Deal to Working at Crate & Barrel (And Everything in Between) Dec 02, 2025
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Dennis Hensley was the very first real writer I ever knew—back when getting a book published felt like spotting a unicorn in 1990s LA.


    His debut novel Misadventures in the (213) came out in 1998, and I thought it was the coolest thing imaginable.


    Years later, we'd find ourselves sweating through Ben Allen's dance classes together, proving that creative people really do wear all the hats.

    Dennis has written for everyone from Joan Rivers to Wondery podcasts, created party games and somehow made more money dancing in commercials than writing this year.


    Our conversation (recorded the day before his 61st birthday) goes deep on resilience, disappointment and figuring out how to keep creating when the scoreboard stops making sense.


    Topics Discussed:

    • The 1990s writing gold rush: When Gen X believed you could actually make a living as a writer, gift bags overflowed at parties. and magazines paid $1 per word
    • Breaking in: How an audition rejection for Madonna's Blonde Ambition tour became Dennis's first published article, leading to gigs at Movieline, Detour and beyond
    • Writing for free (for three years): The unglamorous hustle behind Misadventures in the (213), including interviewing Carrie Fisher in her bed and scoring a gym membership through barter
    • The 2013 Fashion Police strike: How standing up for freelance writers' pay during the Writers Guild organizing effort traumatized Dennis, cost him his best friend/roommate and triggered a health crisis that changed everything
    • Rehab for disappointment: Dennis's raw account of hospitalization, thinking he'd "die of disappointment" and the long road through somatic therapy, meditation and redefining success
    • Changing how you keep score: Why tracking wins vs. losses will destroy you, and how Dennis learned to measure creative life by "who I'm being" rather than what he's getting
    • The game that almost was: Pitching "You Don't Know My Life!" to Jason Bateman's production company, feeling good about the pitches, getting rejected—and being sad for only five seconds
    • "Everything is impossible, so anything is possible": Life lessons from artist Stephanie Elizondo Griest and why trying matters more than outcomes
    • Dancing pays better than writing: How Dennis made more money this year from Vegas commercials than his writing career, and why he's okay with that

    Mentioned:

    • Misadventures in the (213) and Screening Party books
    • Rob Weisbach, Detour, Movieline, Fashion Police
    • "You Don't Know My Life!" party game
    • Podcasts: Dennis, Anyone? and Dennis Hensley's Happy and Gay
    • Ben Allen's Group Three dance class (RIP the Thriller flash mob)

    Want to learn more about Legacy Launch Pad Publishing—my high-end hybrid book publishing company that helps entrepreneurs turn their expertise into authority-building books? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com


    Curious how entrepreneurs use books to generate seven-figure returns, speaking opportunities and high-value clients? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/7-figures

    Interested in working with a selective hybrid publisher that focuses on strategy, authority and long-term business growth—not just publishing a book? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/apply


    And if you just want to know more about me,
    👉 www.annadavid.com

    Remember, if there's anyone in your life whose wisdom you deeply admire, or who you know could be considered an authority in their field if they were better known, share this show with them.


    Heather Wood Rudulph on $0 Royalty Checks and Why the Dream Isn’t the Golden Ticket Nov 18, 2025
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Heather Wood Rudulph has done many things in the publishing world, including co-writing Sexy Feminism: A Girl's Guide to Love, Success and Style with Jennifer Keishin Armstrong (a title that very much captured a specific moment in feminist evolution but makes Rudulph give a tiny cringe now).


    We met back in the New York media heyday when things like "readings and rub downs" (yes, book readings with massages) seemed totally normal.


    Heather's spent over a decade writing about culture and entertainment for everyone from Cosmo to Rolling Stone and now wears many hats in the words world (including as an occasional editor for my company!) This conversation digs into the realities of traditional publishing: the battles you pick, the dreams that get dashed and why understanding business matters as much as loving words.

    Topics Discussed:

    • Fighting for your title: How Heather and her co-author battled their publisher five times to keep Sexy Feminism as their title and why picking your battles matters when you have so little control
    • The subtitle that aged: Why A Girl's Guide to Love, Success and Style captures a specific moment in feminist history that "wasn't quite there yet"
    • Traditional publishing reality check: Self-funded book tours, throwing yourself parties in cities where you have friends and learning that you're essentially your own PR machine
    • The $0 royalty statement: Getting trolled by emails showing zero earnings, letters about books being destroyed in landfills and the occasional thrill of foreign translations
    • "You're lucky to be publishing a book": Why authors have to make compromises to get to the finish line but also when to stand firm
    • The proposals that break your heart: Six months developing a Madonna book pitch, not getting the deal, watching someone else write basically the same book
    • Writers don't get paid for proposals: The reality that you don't earn anything for pitching articles, writing proposals or preparing to teach—only for the finished product
    • When the golden curtain opens: Jennifer Keishin Armstrong's revelation that publishers only hold real marketing meetings after you've proven you're successful (her Seinfeld book hitting the NYT list)
    • The advance is not vacation money: Why even six-figure book deals aren't what people think and how writers should already be thinking about the next book before the first one comes out
    • From entertainment reporter to marketing: How Heather pivoted from writing fluffy celebrity profiles and traveling to spas worldwide to understanding that storytelling lives in business too
    • The entrepreneurship of writing: Why understanding business isn't selling out—it's survival and how freelancers have to become their own marketing departments
    • Amazon is the list that matters: Not the New York Times bestseller list but Amazon rankings and reviews from regular people that live forever
    • "Anybody can write a book": But it's like running a marathon—you have to train, know what you're getting into, keep going when it hurts and want it for the right reasons

    Mentioned:

    • Sexy Feminism: A Girl's Guide to Love, Success and Style
    • Jennifer Keishin Armstrong (co-author and TV show book specialist)
    • SexyFeminist.com (their website that became the book)
    • The era of Feministing and Jezebel
    • "Readings and Rub Downs" events at Birch Coffee
    • Work at Cosmo, DAYSPA magazine, LA Daily News and various digital media companies
    • The sustainability startup that paid $2/word (briefly)
    • Launch Pad Publishing (Anna's company where Heather now occasionally freelances)

    Want to learn more about Legacy Launch Pad Publishing—my high-end hybrid book publishing company that helps entrepreneurs turn their expertise into authority-building books? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com


    Curious how entrepreneurs use books to generate seven-figure returns, speaking opportunities and high-value clients? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/7-figures

    Interested in working with a selective hybrid publisher that focuses on strategy, authority and long-term business growth—not just publishing a book? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/apply


    And if you just want to know more about me,
    👉 www.annadavid.com

    Remember, if there's anyone in your life whose wisdom you deeply admire, or who you know could be considered an authority in their field if they were better known, share this show with them.



    Jeanne Darst on Landing Every Author's Dream Deal (and What Happened Next) Nov 04, 2025
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Jeanne Darst's story is what happens when everything goes right—and then you realize "right" is more complicated than you thought.

    After years of doing plays for 200 people in Vermont, she hit the publishing lottery: a bidding war sparked by a “This American Life” appearance that had publishers hunting her down by the next morning.

    Riverhead Books won with serious money, the New York Times loved it, Vogue excerpted it, HBO optioned it and she wrote the pilot. It was the full fantasy—except the show didn't get picked up (Girls was coming out), and she spent the next decade in the Hollywood machine.

    Her TV writing career was a success—she got a series of TV staff writing jobs—but her second book, Dad's Trying to Kill Me, couldn't find a publisher (despite glowing rejections). Now she's back to putting on shows while continuing to write, because sometimes the dream coming true teaches you what you actually want.

    Episode Highlights:

    • How Jeanne's This American Life story triggered a massive publishing bidding war overnight
    • The strategic decision to write a proposal instead of submitting a completed manuscript
    • Why Jeanne chose Riverhead and editor Sarah McGrath over the highest bidder
    • The simultaneous media blitz: book launch, Vogue excerpt, and This American Life feature
    • How HBO optioned the book before publication, leading to pilot writing opportunities
    • The reality of post-success hustle: why the dream is "just the beginning of heartbreak"
    • Jeanne's second book rejection and the lesson about going to small presses
    • Why she's returning to grassroots theater after a decade in Hollywood
    • The father-daughter dynamic when children outachieve their parents professionally

    Key Takeaways:

    • Two years of persistence can lead to overnight success
    • Agents and gatekeepers are "smart secretaries" - you must drive your own career
    • Women wait 8 months to resubmit after rejection; men wait 3 days
    • Big advances don't guarantee book tours or sustained marketing support
    • Publishers only invest real marketing dollars in books that are already succeeding
    • Hollywood packaging deals often benefit agencies more than the writers themselves
    • Complete projects teach more than abandoned ones - finish what you start
    • Traditional publishing success requires constant self-advocacy and hustle
    • Family reactions to memoirs can be complicated, especially around professional jealousy

    Want to learn more about Legacy Launch Pad Publishing—my high-end hybrid book publishing company that helps entrepreneurs turn their expertise into authority-building books? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com


    Curious how entrepreneurs use books to generate seven-figure returns, speaking opportunities and high-value clients? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/7-figures

    Interested in working with a selective hybrid publisher that focuses on strategy, authority and long-term business growth—not just publishing a book? 👉 https://www.legacylaunchpadpub.com/apply


    And if you just want to know more about me,
    👉 www.annadavid.com

    Remember, if there's anyone in your life whose wisdom you deeply admire, or who you know could be considered an authority in their field if they were better known, share this show with them.


    Hannah Sward on Whether or Not It's Worth It to Chase a Book Deal Oct 21, 2025
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Hannah Sward’s publishing journey reads like a masterclass in persistence meets divine intervention.

    After years of writing short stories for underground literary journals, she stumbled into a free writer’s group at a library—complete with homeless people sleeping on the sidelines.


    That’s where she met Jill Sherry Robinson, an 80-year-old bestselling author who essentially kidnapped her and mentored her until she finished her book.


    Through a comedy of errors involving three different agents (one retired three months after signing her), Sward eventually sold her book for a whopping $500 advance.


    But here's the kicker: by the time her book Strip came out in 2022, Sward had built such authentic relationships in the recovery community that the book found its audience organically. No Instagram strategy needed—just good old-fashioned showing up. Now she's chronicling her sexual adventures after 50 on Substack, where she’s learned that—guess what?—vulnerability pays off when book deals may not.

    Episode Highlights:

    • How Hannah's 14-year friendship with Anna led to confessing literary jealousy at an AA meeting
    • The serendipitous connection with 80-year-old mentor Jill Sherry Robinson at a free library writers group
    • Hannah's unconventional memoir structure: 75 short chapters designed for non-readers
    • The grueling agent search: 100 rejections and three failed agent relationships before going solo
    • Publishing with a small press for a $500 advance while her father was dying in hospice
    • How building authentic community relationships over years created organic publicity opportunities
    • The launch of "Summer of Men" Substack about sex after 50 that had readers paying to find out what happens next
    • Why Hannah refuses to repeat the traditional publishing process for her next book

    Key Takeaways:

    • Jealousy among writers is normal and can be processed healthily through honest conversation
    • Mentorship can appear unexpectedly - stay open to guidance from unlikely sources
    • Persistence pays off: Hannah's father modeled being "the king of rejection" as a badge of honor
    • Community building matters more than platform building for authentic book promotion
    • The publishing process can be an "integrated experience" when you work through disappointments internally
    • Small press publishing with low advances can still lead to meaningful success and readership
    • Leading with credentials (blurbs from Nobel Prize winners) gets manuscripts read, not just good writing
    • Writing partnerships and accountability groups sustain creative work over years
    • Success doesn't fill the internal "hole" - there will always be compare and despair moments
    • Sometimes the journey to publication teaches more than the publication itself

    INTRODUCING: Behind the Book Cover Sep 18, 2025
    Show notes

    if you’re a subscriber, hi! It’s been a minute. And by a minute I mean it’s been almost a year.

    That’s because one of the main reasons I do a podcast is so that I can educate myself and after hundreds of interviews, I felt like I’d learned everything I could about how to build authority with a book. I even used many of those interviews in the book I published in 2023, also called On Good Authority.

    I was surprised to discover that despite not posting any new episodes, this podcast has been kicking along—remaining in the top 1% of podcasts just because new people are finding the show, or some of you authority junkies are listening to episodes over and over?

    Anyway, lately, I’ve been feeling that podcast itch again: that craving for the mic. And I also started a Substack that I’ve loved writing. One day recently it occurred to me that the Substack could have an accompanying podcast and then it occurred to me, hey I already have a podcast – it’s just been lying dormant. And so I’ve renamed the show Behind the Book Cover, same name as my Substack.

    Now I’m going to be focusing less on how to build authority from a book and more on the past, present and future of book publishing, as I see it.

    The past is the traditional publishing model, which means I’m going to spend the first season talking to authors who come from that world. We’re going to dive into the things no one wants to talk about: the tough days that follow getting the book deal.

    Season two will focus on the present: entrepreneurs that are earning literal millions as a result of their books, and how they’re doing it.

    And season three will delve into where book publishing is going, with a special focus, of course on AI.

    So why am I passionate about this new direction now? I’m so glad you asked!

    The Penguin Random House trial in 2023 revealed a lot that had previously been secret—namely, that 85% of book advances never earn out and Random House got its name because, as the CEO said in the trial, they never know which books will succeed so it’s random!

    The reality is that most authors make less than minimum wage. And here's the kicker—the entrepreneurs who get caught up in these publishing fantasies often end up worse off than when they started. They're so focused on impressing agents and publishers that they forget their actual goal: growing their business.

    So I'm going to be talking to authors about why traditional publishing dreams often backfire for business owners. I'll introduce you to smart entrepreneurs who use books strategically—not as lottery tickets, but as lead generation machines and authority builders. And I'll expose what the publishing industry doesn't want you to know about how this business actually works.

    Think of this as the same as On Good Authority but with a sharper edge. Depending on when you’re hearing this, I’ve either already released or am weeks away from releasing the show you know and love but fine tuned for your success. Same juicy interviews, same truth-telling, just more focused on what actually moves the needle in your business instead of feeding publishing fantasies that lead to disappointment.

    Whether you're thinking about writing a book, struggling with your first one, or wondering if any of this makes business sense, these conversations will save you time, money and heartache.

    Because here's the thing: once you stop chasing publishing validation and start using books as the business tools they actually are, everything changes. And I can't wait to show you how.

    Welcome to Behind the Book Cover.


    Why the Ex-CEO of a $550 Million Company Did a Book Now with Erika Badan Ayers Oct 09, 2024
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Erika Ayers Badan calls herself a “token CEO”, the rare female employee in the highest rank of a bro-roar sports and new media culture—specifically, at Barstool Sports, which she took from a rough-and-tumble sports and betting brand and turned it into a $550 million juggernaut with more than 5 billion monthly video views and 225 million followers.

    In her book, Nobody Cares About Your Career: Why Failure Is Good, The Great Ones Play Hurt, and Other Hard Truths, she talks about all that and more. And in this podcast episode, she discusses why she decided to do a book at this point in her career, how it serves as a “receipt” for what she’s done and how she truly doesn’t give an f what other people think.


    Why People Lose Steam on Their Books with Jill Ishkanian Oct 01, 2024
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    It’s truly a crime that there’s no TV series about Jill Ishkanian.

    The lone female tabloid reporter in a sea of men, Ishkanian has been raided by the FBI, exonerated Meghan Markle and been late to a lunch date with me because she thought she saw Kevin Costner driving. And those are just three of dozens of fascinating facts!

    Yet, despite the fact that she’s been technically employed as a writer for decades and knows she has a hell of a story to tell, she’s been stalled on writing her book. Why is that? And how can we—yes, the collective we—help her? It’s all in this episode.


    How Book Publishing Is Evolving with Agent Mark Gottlieb Sep 24, 2024
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    While Mark Gottlieb has agenting in his blood—he’s a second generation lit agent—he’s not your typical agent. He doesn’t specialize in any particular genre but bounces between fiction and nonfiction, with some children's books and graphic novels in between. And though he works with the Big Five publishers, he’s open-minded when it comes to self-publishing and the new wave of publishing.

    In this episode we talked about how being a writer requires audacity, how tough it is to make a living as an author without a side profession and how most people don’t even know what a lit agent is, among many other topics.


    Boost Your Business by Sharing Your Story (Solo Episode) Jul 12, 2024
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    Here's a special release for you: the keynote I recently gave at a mastermind that encompasses so much of what I know to be true about coming up with your book idea. It's short but sweet. Enjoy!

    FOR MORE ABOUT THE PODCAST AND OTHER STUFF, GO TO WWW.ONGOODAUTHORITYPOD.COM.


    How to Use Instagram Reels to Blow Up Your Book with Erin Lee Jul 03, 2024
    Show notes

    If you're thinking about writing an authority building book, and I really hope you are, and you don't want to be counting pennies or checking your book sales all the time, you actually want a book that's going to change your life, I can tell you how. Just go to sevenfigurebooks.com. I'm not trying to capture your email or anything. You can just download this PDF that's going to tell you exactly how to turn an authority building book into revenue, speaking, authority, and no exaggeration, a whole new life.


    You know that kindergarten teacher we all wish we'd had?

    That's Erin Lee. But part of what makes us all wish she'd been our teacher is the fact that in addition to being a teacher, she's an award-winning children's book author.

    Still, as we discuss quite a bit around here, being an amazing author doesn't always guarantee book sales.

    But Erin HAS sold thousands of books. So how has she done it? Well, she started dressing up as her five-year-old students to create engaging Instagram reels. These relatable and humorous videos have since fostered a thriving online community where Erin shares educational content, entertainment and promotes her books.

    I was actually interviewing Erin for my other podcast when I realized the information she was sharing was such book publishing GOLD that I had to switch gears and release it on this long-neglected feed.

    In this episode, she breaks her IG strategy down piece by piece. So good, so tactical. She actually makes Instagram sound fun AND useful. When have you last heard it described that way?


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