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    Battlefield Next

    The Battlefield Next network of podcasts is created and hosted by the US Army JAG Corps’ Future Concepts Directorate (FCD). Our flagship podcast, ‘Battlefield Next,’ examines the application of the law to future of armed conflict. ‘Fred Talks,’ presents a more informal look at the history of the JAG Corps in an effort to guide future military legal practitioners.  

    The Future Concepts Directorate is the JAG Corps’ think tank, and one of four directorates that make up the Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center. Located on the campus of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, Virginia, FCD is the subject-matter expert on the application of the law to future conflict. FCD also reviews Army doctrine on behalf of the JAG Corps, and provides the intellectual foundation and disciplined approach to design, develop, and field a JAG Corps that is ready to support the future warfighter.  

    For more information you can find us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our website at https://tjaglcs.army.mil/fcd.  Subscribe today!

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    Episode 4: (Part 2) The JARO Episode. Mar 22, 2020
    Show notes

    On today’s podcast, we have an interview with three recent graduates of the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course: First Lieutenant Briana Kolota; First Lieutenant Asia Buss; and First Lieutenant Mandi Ford. MAJ Wellemeyer and MAJ Coffey had the opportunity to sit down with them to discuss what made them choose the JAG Corps, their commissioning sources, and their experiences in the application process, the Direct Commission Officer Course, and at the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course.
    Due to the episode’s length, it is divided into two parts. In part one, MAJ Wellemeyer and I discuss with them such topics as: why they chose the Army JAG Corps, their commissioning sources, JAG Corps internships, their experiences with the application, accession, and assignment process, and preparing for and reporting to the Direct Commission Officer Course.
    Part two covers their experiences at the Direct Commission Officer Course, the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course, the advice they would give future applicants, and what they think the JAG Corps can do to improve the application and accession process.
    Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode, along with hyperlinks to further information and resources:
    Part Two
    0:00 Inprocessing and Training at the Direct Commission Officer Course
    01:08 A typical day at the Direct Commission Officer Course
    03:05 Impressions of training as a brand new Lieutenant
    05:12 Learning to wear the uniform
    06:54 Moving from Fort Benning to Charlottesville
    07:42 A typical at the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course
    08:57 The Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course class schedule
    10:22 Improving the application and accession process
    12:40 Advice to future applicants
    13:50 End of episode
    For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to "Battlefield Next" on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
    For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
    *Music by Joseph McDade
    **The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.


    Episode 4: (Part 1) The JARO Episode. Mar 22, 2020
    Show notes

    On today’s podcast, we have an interview with three recent graduates of the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course: First Lieutenant Briana Kolota; First Lieutenant Asia Buss; and First Lieutenant Mandi Ford. MAJ Wellemeyer and MAJ Coffey had the opportunity to sit down with them to discuss what made them choose the JAG Corps, their commissioning sources, and their experiences in the application process, the Direct Commission Officer Course, and at the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course.
    Due to the episode’s length, it is divided into two parts. In part one, MAJ Wellemeyer and I discuss with them such topics as: why they chose the Army JAG Corps, their commissioning sources, JAG Corps internships, their experiences with the application, accession, and assignment process, and preparing for and reporting to the Direct Commission Officer Course.
    Part two covers their experiences at the Direct Commission Officer Course, the Judge Advocate Officer Basic Course, the advice they would give future applicants, and what they think the JAG Corps can do to improve the application and accession process.
    Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode, along with hyperlinks to further information and resources:
    Part One
    00:00 Episode Introduction
    01:14 Why They Chose the JAG Corps and Commissioning Sources
    01:23 ROTC Educational Delay
    01:52 ROTC in Law School
    06:33 Direct Commission
    07:33 JAG Corps Internships
    10:23 The Application process
    10:30 Field Screening Interview
    12:59 JAG Corps
    14:02 The Accession Process
    15:00 The Medical Screening Process
    15:48 Duty Station Assignment
    17:14 Preparing for the Direct Commission Officer Course
    19:02 Reporting to Fort Benning
    19:48 Preparing for Army physical fitness standards
    21:04 End of Part One
    For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to "Battlefield Next" on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
    For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
    *Music by Joseph McDade
    **The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.


    Episode 3: Interview with Mr. Fred Borch Jan 13, 2020
    Show notes

    On today’s podcast we have an interview with Mr. Fred Borch about the historical events that shaped the practice of operational law by judge advocates into the robust practice area we know it as today: national security law. Mr. Borch is a Professor of Legal History and Leadership at The Judge Advocate General's Legal Center and School where he also holds the title of Regimental Historian and Archivist.
    The episode begins with Mr. Borch providing a historical backdrop about the role of lawyers in the Army from the earliest days of General George Washington's Continental Army. The discussion also addresses the infamous Mai Lai Massacre and how this event served as a catalyst for change in a judge advocate's role in operational settings.
    Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode:
    00:00 Episode introduction
    01:10 Early role of lawyers in the Army
    03:15 Impact of Mai Lai Massacre
    04:29 Peers Inquiry criticized Army JAGC
    12:04 Impact of Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada) - the wake up call
    15:27 Impact of Operation Just Cause (Panama)
    16:40 Transformation of operational law practice during Desert Shield / Desert Storm
    21:40 Operational law practice after 9/11
    24:42 Book recommendations
    29:19 Closing remarks
    If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
    "Rule of Engagement for Land Forces: A Matter of Training, not Lawyering" by then-MAJ Mark S. Martins
    "Judge Advocates in Combat: Army Lawyers in Military Operations from Vietnam to Haiti" by Fred Borch
    Mr. Borch's Book Recommendations:
    "Implacable Foes: War in the Pacific, 1944-1945" by Waldo Heinrichs and Marc S. Gallicchio
    "American Slavery, American Freedom", by Edmund S. Morgan
    "The Magicians" by Lev Grossman
    For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to "Battlefield Next" on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
    For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
    *Music by Joseph McDade


    Episode 2: Interview with Professor Claire Finkelstein of the University of Pennsylvania Law School Dec 04, 2019
    Show notes

    On today’s podcast, we have an interview with Professor Claire Finkelstein from the University of Pennsylvania Law School. Professor Finkelstein is the founder and director of the Center for Ethics and Rule of Law at University of Pennsylvania Law School. MAJ Wellemeyer had the opportunity to sit down with Professor Finkelstein at the conclusion of the Ethical Challenges in the Development of New Weaponry symposium that occurred earlier this fall. During the conversation, Professor Finkelstein explains why she founded the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law, but the majority of the interview is spent discussing topics related to artificial intelligence, including: the intersection of AI and cyberwarfare, the issues with AI and legal accountability, and what judge advocates and national security law practitioners can do to navigate this rapidly evolving area of technology and the law. To listen to the interview, you can do so on your desktop here, or by typing “Battlefield Next” into the search field of your favorite podcast app.
    Given our limited time, our conversation covers a small fraction of the legal, ethical, and moral issues that surround AI on the battlefield. Currently, national security law practitioners are grappling with how AI will impact the Law of Armed Conflict. For example, how does the use of AI on the battlefield affect the principles of distinction and proportionality? Does it matter whether a weapons system is defensive, offensive, semi-autonomous, or fully autonomous? What are the implications of having human involvement “in the loop” or “on the loop” during the decision-making process? These are some of the issues that BG Patrick Huston, currently serving as the Assistant Judge Advocate for Military Law and Operations, addressed in his December 2018 article, “Future War and Future Law.” For even more detail on these topics, practitioners should also consider reading “Army of None” by Paul Scharre, a book that is referenced in both BG Huston’s article and MAJ Wellemeyer’s interview with Prof. Finkelstein.
    More narrowly, national security law practitioners should be familiar with some of the policies pertaining to AI, including the Department of Defense (DoD) Artificial Intelligence Strategy, the Army Artificial Intelligence Strategy Annex, and DoD Directive 3000.09, the DoD policy on Autonomy in Weapons Systems. In his recent article “Are Killer Robots Really Coming? – Legal Considerations from a Hypothetical Application of Department of Defense Directive 3000.09”, LTC Ryan Beery, the current Chief of National Security Law at US Special Operations Command, addresses some of the legal considerations of complying with DoDD 3000.09 through the lens of a future war hypothetical.
    Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode, along with hyperlinks to further information and resources:
    00:00 Episode introduction
    02:55 CERL overview
    06:55 Intersection of AI and cyberwarfare
    13:01 AI and accountability
    18:52 Unplanned effects of AI systems
    21:05 Advice for JAs and other legal practitioners
    23:13 Closing remarks
    If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources that have not already been mentioned:
    • "Explainable Artifical Intelligence (XAI)" by Dr. Matt Turek, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
    • "The Law that Applies to Autonomous Weapon Systems" by LTC Jeffrey Thurnher
    • "Ghost Fleet: A Novel of the Next World War" by P.W. Singer and August Cole
    • "MWI Podcast: Autonomous Weapons and the Next War", Modern War Institute, 30 July 2019
    For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email, or login below and provide a comment. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
    For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
    *Music by Joseph McDade
    **The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.


    Episode 1: Interview with General (Ret.) Joseph Votel Oct 23, 2019
    Show notes

    Our first podcast is an interview with General (Ret.) Joseph Votel. General Votel is recently retired from the United States Army after a 39 year career. The last position he held was as the Commander of US Central Command from March 2016 to March 2019. To listen to our interview with General (Ret.) Votel, you can do so on your desktop here, or by typing “Battlefield Next” into the search field of your favorite podcast app.
    MAJ JJ Wellemeyer sat down with General Votel following his remarks at the “Ethical Challenges in the Development of New Weaponry” symposium hosted by the Center for the Rule of Law (CERL) at the University of Pennsylvania in September 2019. During his keynote address, General Votel discussed the ethical and moral implications of the evolving nature of warfare, and through the lens of his own personal experiences on the battlefield, he discussed how technological innovations have changed how we fight and how our adversaries do so as well. During the interview MAJ Wellemeyer asked him questions about his keynote address, professional development, leadership, and the qualities that make an effective judge advocate.
    Below is a timeline of some of the subject-areas discussed during the episode:
    00:00 Episode introduction
    01:30 Beginning of interview with General (Ret.) Votel
    01:57 Integration of judge advocates in planning/operations process
    02:44 Gaining a commander's trust
    04:33 Ramifications of a failure in standards
    07:07 Professional development
    09:58 Advice for JA Graduate Course and JAOBC students
    13:46 General (Ret.) Votel's book recommendation
    15:03 Closing remarks
    If you’re interested in learning more about some of the topics covered during this episode, we recommend the following additional reading and resources:
    • "Retiring Gen. Joseph Votel recalls challenges of CentCom, the Middle East" by Howard Altman, Tampa Bay Times
    • General (Ret.) Stanley McChrystal's leadership philosophy: "Listen, learn...then lead"
    • ADP 6-22, Army Leadership and the Profession
    • "Once An Eagle" by Anton Myrer
    • TJAG/DJAG Lifelong Learning Reading List
    For more information related to FCD you can follow us on Twitter @jagfcd or by visiting our webpage. If you have recommendations or suggestions about future topics or guests, please send us an email, or you can leave us a comment by signing in below. Finally, if you like what you hear, please leave us a review on iTunes and subscribe to “Battlefield Next” on your favorite podcast app. While this is a podcast created by US Army Judge Advocates from Future Concepts Directorate, our goal is to reach other judge advocates and lawyers across the DoD, law students, and members of academia. Your reviews help make this possible.
    For more information about the US Army JAG Corps, you can go here. If you’re interested in joining the Army JAG Corps, you can get more information by contacting the Judge Advocate Recruiting Office (JARO) or by visiting their webpage.
    *Music by Joseph McDade
    **The views expressed on the podcast are the views of the participants and do not necessarily represent those of The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School, the Army, the Department of Defense, or any other agency of the US Government.


    Episode 0: Welcome to the Future Concepts Directorate Oct 21, 2019
    Show notes

    Welcome to the first blog of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's Corps Future Concepts Directorate (FCD). We are excited to introduce our directorate and the interesting topics FCD will be discussing over the next year and beyond.
    The FCD is the JAG Corps’ think tank and is one of four directorates of the Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center located on the campus of the University of Virginia in Charlottesville. Its mission is to serve as the JAG Corps’ focal point on the study of the law of future armed conflict by assessing the legal requirements of the future operational environment. It also reviews Army doctrine on behalf of the JAG Corps, and provides the intellectual foundation to design, develop, and field a globally responsive future JAG Corps.
    FCD Mission
    The FCD operates along three primary lines of effort: future conflict, doctrine, and strategic initiatives. First, it seeks to be the premier organization within the United States Government on the study of the law of future conflict. We think of this broadly as applying the law of armed conflict to the future operational environment, or LOAC-F. FCD partners or engages with any organization thinking about technology and its applications on the future battlefield. Second, FCD provides timely, ethical, responsive, and purposeful support and analysis to the Army’s doctrine development organizations. Third, FCD provides the same support to the JAG Corps’ own strategic initiatives in order to prepare its legal professionals to support future multi-domain operations.
    Resources
    Our goal is to make the FCD website a one stop shop for all matters pertaining to LOAC-F with news, analysis, and reports from our experts and partners. The site, found here, will contain links to relevant articles from the field and Academia, frequent blog posts, links to the FCD Podcast entitled “Battlefield NEXT, and news about technology, law, and future warfare.
    We will also be highlighting interesting and useful information on The Judge Advocate General’s Legal Center and School’s Lifelong Learning website. Lifelong Learning can be found here and contains noteworthy news, articles, and resources that can be used for professional development.
    The FCD will also be providing expanded reading lists that include examples of what our military leaders are reading about the military profession and strategic environment. However, we will also include other works that might seemingly be unrelated to our dual profession, but nevertheless offer different lenses through which we see issues. The objective in this respect is to spark creativity and inspiration in order to see the future more clearly. A few examples of works we are reading right now include Ghost Fleet by P.W. Singer and August Cole, The Light Brigade by Karmen Hurly, Army of None by Paul Scharre, and East West Street by Philippe Sands. We have also been listening to the Podcasts Revisionist History, Hardcore History, Bombshell, and the podcast of the Modern War Institute at West Point.
    Regular Blog Posts
    Substantive topics we will be attempting to tackle this year will be the use of artificial intelligence, offensive cyber operations, space operations including ground operations in space, autonomous weapons, ultrasonic effects, low yield tactical nuclear devices, emerging biological threats, deep fakes and their dangers to national security, private special operations capable organizations in light of Syria and Crimea, and effects of technology on future civilian populations.
    Although there is much discussion about the use of emerging technology on the battlefield, many future conflicts will still bear similar characteristics as present-day conflicts in places like Syria, Libya, and Yemen. Accordingly, we will continue to explore chronic issues in warfare that will likely remain issues in the future including the use of explosive ordnance in urban areas as cities get larger and more densely populated, the continuing unlawful practice of targeting medical personnel and facilities, and accountability mechanisms.
    Artificial Intelligence and Autonomous Weapons Systems
    Artificial intelligence and autonomous weapons systems offer unique challenges for the future battlefield largely due to the uncertainty about how they will be employed. Accordingly, we will be giving extra emphasis on AI and autonomous weapons. Using the four pillars of the Law of Armed Conflict as his analytical foundation – military necessity, distinction, proportionality, and humanity – COL Jeffrey Thurnher argues that the legal risks associated with autonomous weapon systems can be operationally mitigated. He also states correctly that the “lack of a human to hold accountable does not undermine the lawfulness of the weapon system.”
    Nevertheless, a lawful weapon might be used in an unlawful manner, and although the law of armed conflict does not require accountability (the decision to prosecute a suspect is left to prosecutorial discretion, but sometimes required for societal or political reasons), a state may still wish to pursue accountability. Further, the law does require states to be able to control the effects of their weapons. For this reason, methods of war crime accountability must remain an important part of the discussion for fear of eliminating the option to prosecute a war crime due to the lack of an attributable human.
    Vulnerability
    The use of technology necessarily creates vulnerabilities from technology. Consider this scenario. Sometime in the future, an army deploys a lethal autonomous robot. The opponent, suffering from local tactical overmatch, conducts a cyber-attack on the robot causing it to be unable to distinguish its targets. The robot kills civilians, and the enemy exploits the tragedy by publishing photographs of the aftermath across all manner of social media. Maybe the enemy even exacerbates the situation by publishing photographs that have been enhanced using deep fake technology leading the public to believe the victims were children. Public outrage demands accountability and military leaders conduct an investigation revealing that both the manufacturer and the military knew that this particular weapon system was vulnerable to cyber-attack. Who is responsible? Some of our academic partners, like Dr. Rebecca Crootof at the University of Richmond School of Law, are tackling this very issue.
    In 1716, Christopher Bullock wrote in The Cobbler of Preston “Tis impossible to be sure of any thing but Death and Taxes.” Had he written this in the present day, he might also have included “technology that breaks.” It is not a matter of whether technology will malfunction, but when. And when it happens with objects designed to cause destruction, unintended consequences can be catastrophic. International law lacks a criminal negligence mens rea, and the law of armed conflict certainly contains no products liability provision. Will states in the future demand such a regime? Will there be formal dispute settlement mechanisms such as the one outlined in the United Nations Convention on the Law of Sea? Will dispute mechanisms be just for state parties like the International Court of Justice, or will private parties also be able to participate? As a matter of national policy, which states will voluntarily provide compensation for victims, and which states will not? What about inadvertent data spillage by government actors resulting in the public disclosure of private information? Will governments voluntarily allow affirmative claims?
    Closer to home, American astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson stated, “once you have an innovation culture, even those who are not scientists or engineers – poets, actors, journalists – they, as communities, embrace the meaning of what it is to be scientifically literate.” The U.S. Army is in the process or re-designing its acquisition system in order to be more responsive to emerging and future threats. Will American military lawyers need to be more scientifically literate and get involved earlier in the research, development, and acquisition process?
    The law of future conflict is full of complexities and uncertainties such as these. The FCD will be confronting these issues straight-on in order to prepare the JAG Corps for future conflict. Whether we are discussing warp drives, robot soldiers, or tactical direct energy weapons, no topic is off limits to us and there are no bad ideas. If you have a topic you would like to discuss you can always reach us at usarmy.pentagon.hqda-tjaglcs.list.tjaglcs-doctrine@mail.mil. We look forward to partnering with you and holding interesting discussions.
    LTC Matt Krause
    Director, Future Concepts Directorate
Charlottesville, Virginia


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