Stay ConnectedFrom the Appalachian Trail to the Pacific Crest and everything in between. Backpacker Radio is a show all about the wonderful world that is thru-hiking and long distance backpacking.
Co-hosts, Zach “Badger” Davis and Juliana “Chaunce” Chauncey muse on the backpacking life and the latest from the trail every other week. Topics include but are not limited to news, trail culture, interviews, gear, advice, and all you can eat buffets.
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by dermatologist, and my old pal, Dr. Katie Manno. This is a chat I've been wanting to highlight on this podcast for years now, and it lived up to my lofty expectations. Dr. Manno gives us a thorough runthrough on all things skin health related and how it pertains to extended time in the outdoors, including why sun protection is so important, the difference between chemical and mineral sunscreens and which is better for the trail, how much and what SPF sunscreen hikers should use, the safety profile of chemical sunscreens and what chemicals specifically to avoid, sun protective clothing and the science behind UPF ratings, vitamin D considerations when using sunscreen and/or sun clothing, what supplements and skin care products she recommends to optimize skin health, and much more. Needless to say, you will come away from this chat smarter than you entered it.
We wrap the show with why one former guest always uses a bear canister when thru-hiking, we opine on whether donating hair can land you in the slammer, I give an update on my 175-mile lap around Denver, and the triple crown of dog breeds.
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Interview with Katie Manno
Time stamps & Questions
00:04:40 - Reminders: The Trek is hiring a full-time marketing position! Get notified by subscribing to the newsletter. We're going to Austin and support us on Patreon!
00:08:55 - Introducing Katie
00:09:50 - When did you know you wanted to be a doctor and dermatologist?
00:12:30 - Do you analyze people's skin when you're talking to them in the real world?
00:13:40 - What are the risks and consequences of not taking sun protection seriously?
00:15:15 - How does your skin color impact how careful you need to be with sun exposure?
00:17:32 - Can you totally eliminate your risk of skin cancer?
00:18:20 - Is avoiding a sunburn enough?
00:20:10 - What's the perception of spray tans from the dermatology perspective?
00:21:01 - Is there any reason to be skeptical about the chemicals in sunscreen?
00:25:18 - Do you avoid any chemical sunscreens?
00:26:58 - Discussion about Elta MD and chemical vs. physical sunscreens
00:30:18 - What sunscreen would you recommend to backpackers?
00:32:23 - Is it true that above an SPF it's all the same?
00:35:35 - Do you have a preference between sun protective clothing and sunscreen?
00:37:16 - Does body hair protect against sun damage?
00:38:42 - Is something being covered by clothing enough protection?
00:40:30 - Discussion about SPF and UPF ratings
00:42:30 - What are the main factors that determine the UPF rating?
00:44:14 - If someone applies sunscreen perfectly, do they need protective clothing?
00:45:10 - What would you send out a new PCT hiker out with?
00:46:34 - Walk us through what the various types of skin cancer
00:51:12 - Does sunscreen block vitamin D absorption?
00:53:19 - Is there a safe way to get vitamin D through sun exposure without sunscreen?
00:55:12 - What is the UV index?
00:57:27 - What is the correlation between vitamin levels and skin cancers?
01:01:38 - Are there other supplements we should be taking?
01:04:15 - What are the options for people who've had a lot of past skin damage?
01:10:44 - Do you have any favorite skin products?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Why I Always Carry a Bear Canister When Thru-Hiking by Moose Juice
QOTD: Can donated hair be used as DNA evidence in a crime?
Denver Orbital Trail Update
Triple Crown of dog breeds
One Star Trail Reviews
One Minute Gear Review
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Katie "Oats" Houston. Oats is a solo thru-hiker, who's completed the AT, Colorado Trail, Lone Star Trail, and most importantly for today's recording, the 330-mile Appalachian High Route. We dive deep into the Appalachian High Route's details, including the standout sections, resupply strategy, the best months to hike it, standout stops in Asheville (where Katie is from), and much more. Katie also shares some tips for breaking out as a freelancer in the outdoor industry, which is especially relevant, as she is also a contributor for The Trek and formerly the head of our social media.
We wrap the show by teasing our next live podcast- hint, it's not in Denver, Badger has a hilarious and misfortunate wild animal encounter at my house, the triple crown of conversations you don't get to on trail, and a listener voicemail / tick PSA.
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Interview with Katie "Oats" Houston
Time stamps & Questions
00:03:57 - Reminders: We're coming to Austin, TX! Support us on Patreon and check out our Backpacker Radio hats in the Trek's store!
00:08:30 - Introducing Oats
00:09:05 - How did you get into the outdoors and the Trek?
00:10:04 - How did you get your trail name?
00:13:22 - Why did you decide to hike the AT?
00:16:32 - Were you the first person to do the Appalachian High Route?
00:19:06 - Can you give us an overview of the Appalachian High Route?
00:25:22 - What's the route like elevation-wise?
00:28:20 - What are the towns and resupplies like?
00:30:50 - What do you know about the geology of the southern Appalachians?
00:36:01 - What are the highlights of Asheville?
00:40:00 - Could a first time hiker do the Appalachian High Route?
00:41:45 - What did you use for navigation?
00:43:50 - How did you pick to go clockwise?
00:45:46 - Tell us about the hiking you did in Texas
00:46:51 - Do you have tips about thinking through things while thru-hiking?
00:50:00 - Give us your rating and elevator pitch for the Lone Star Trail
00:55:26 - Discussion about the aggressive dogs on the Lone Star Trail
00:57:00 - Discussion about Big Bend National Park
00:59:05 - What are your tips for breaking into the outdoor industry?
01:04:28 - What are different ways to find outdoor industry jobs?
01:06:40 - Walk us through a typical week at Sawyer
01:08:08 - What are your tips for pricing your skills?
01:13:00 - How much freelance work do you do now?
01:14:55 - Give us Sawyer's background
01:20:57 - Where can people keep up with you?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Why I Always Carry a Bear Canister When Thru-Hiking by Moose Juice
QOTD: How long would you watch a loading screen before aborting all the info you entered/work you did/progress you made to start over?
Scary Thing of the Week
Pooping in the Woods Update
Triple Crown of conversations you don't get into on trail
Listener Voicemail
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Taylor the Nahamsha Hiker. Taylor is a thru-hiker, peak bagger, prominent YouTuber, and as of the recording of this episode, exceptionally pregnant. In addition to hiking the AT in 2021 and 2023, Taylor has also hiked all 48 of New Hampshire's 4,000 footers. We learn all about her entry into the world of thru-hiking, how she grew her YouTube following- including a friendly sibling rivalry, what the life of running a gift store is like, and her AT-themed Monopoly board game.
We wrap the show with a recap of the remainder of this years AT Trail Days, including consuming butter and dead bodies (fortunately, not related), what Backpacker Radio fans shall henceforth call themselves, the triple crown of things we wish we could buy stock in, and preview a 175-mile hike that Badger is doing around Denver.
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Interview with Taylor the Nahamsha Hiker
Time stamps & Questions
00:03:28 - Reminders: Suggest a guest for PCT Days and support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content!
00:06:07 - Trail Days Recap
00:32:15 - Introducing Taylor
00:34:49 - Tell us about moving to New Hampshire
00:37:17 - Tell us about your first hikes in the Whites and how those prepared you for the AT
00:39:15 - What was it like getting off the AT in 2020?
00:42:50 - How does one get into the gift shop business and what is it like?
00:48:01 - Did you start Youtubing during your first AT attempt?
00:50:22 - Tell us about getting back on the AT in 2021
00:52:25 - Tell us about getting off trail to drive a marathon
00:56:00 - Do you prefer hiking solo over hiking with a tramily?
00:58:30 - When did you start getting judgmental comments on your channel?
01:00:27 - In what instance do the comments go too far?
01:02:50 - How do you maintain your motivation while making videos?
01:06:15 - Did you have media training prior to starting Youtube?
01:08:02 - How has your tech changed over the years?
01:09:21 - What standout stories do you have from your 2021 hike?
01:10:30 - Have you always been athletic?
01:12:30 - Tell us about the Belknap Range Redline
01:16:00 - Discussion about Taylor's wedding and honeymoon
01:17:24 - How did you decide to hike the AT a second time?
01:19:35 - What places did you intentionally return to on your second thru-hike?
01:20:55 - Tell us about the end of your second AT trip
01:26:57 - Did you enjoy the second hike as much as the first?
01:30:30 - Did you feel compelled to stay on trail because of your audience?
01:31:40 - Discussion about Taylor's trail videos and advice for others01:33:50 - How do you make sure to record the highs and lows of the hike?
01:36:25 - Do you have any good poop stories?
01:41:48 - Tell us about the Lakes Region Explorer Patch Program
01:42:25 - Tell us about camping while 8 months pregnant
01:44:50 - What videos do you have left to make before giving birth?
01:46:08 - What is the vent diagram between thru-hiker and pregnancy cravings?
01:47:50 - Where can people follow you?
01:48:36 - Sawyer Question: if you were given an unlimited budget to throw a party for any historical figure, who would it be and what would the theme be?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Every Pizza on the Colorado Trail, Ranked by JT Simmons
QOTD: Beyonce has the beehive, Taylor Swift has the swifties, Lady Gaga has the little monsters…what would Backpacker Radio listeners be?
Triple Crown of things you wish you could buy stock in
New Thing of the Week
Priest Confessions
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Check out our sound guy @my_boy_pauly/.
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by Sawyer Products, we are joined by Brandon "Horsepower" Weis. With minimal prior backpacking experience, in 2021, Brandon successfully completed the calendar year triple crown plus a thru-hike of the Arizona Trail. The next two years were not any more laid back, as he accrued more than 15,000 miles worth of backpacking over a three year span, including treks of the Benton MacKay Trail, Pinhoti, Oregon Desert Trail, Bigfoot Trail, Pacific Northwest Trail, Colorado Trail, Hayduke, and the Sheltowee Trace Trail. In addition to giving us an overview of these treks, Horsepower delights us with fun stories, including a terrifying encounter with a grizzly, sleeping in countless pit toilets, being asked to leave a restaurant due to his odor, accidentally drinking deet, and more.
We wrap the show with an overview of the first half of trail days, including how Badger is the world's biggest moron, the triple crown of our short section hike on the AT, and how many drinks constitute drinking.
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Interview with Brandon "Horsepower" Weis
Time stamps & Questions
00:07:30 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content and suggest a guest for us to interview at PCT Days!
00:08:54 - Introducing Horsepower
00:09:40 - What's your trail name origin story?
00:11:11 - What was your background in weight lifting prior to backpacking?
00:12:45 - Where did your interest in thru-hiking come from?
00:14:37 - How long were your section hikes prior to the CYTC?
00:14:55 - Tell us about being a big Lil Wayne fan
00:16:34 - Tell us about being a partier
00:18:26 - Tell us about deciding to hike the Calendar Year Triple Crown
00:20:29 - In what other ways have you gone all in on something you're interested in?
00:22:21 - Tell us about starting the Calendar Year Triple Crown
00:24:30 - How much did your pack weigh when you started?
00:26:35 - Did you keep to a regular hiking schedule?
00:28:11 - At any point did you think it might not have been a good idea?
00:30:27 - Did you factor in zero days or town vortexes?
00:36:00 - What were your lowest points on the AT?
00:40:42 - What was your low point on the first CDT section?
00:43:47 - What drew you to The One tent?
00:44:28 - Discussion about switching over to the PCT
00:46:30 - Were you too tired to talk to other hikers?
00:47:08 - What were the high and low points on the PCT?
00:48:54 - How did you mitigate injuries?
00:50:52 - Tell us about your back injury
00:55:00 - Are you glad you have already done the Calendar Year Triple Crown?
00:56:02 - McDonalds bathroom story
00:57:44 - Too smelly to be in a restaurant story
00:58:36 - Was the AZT always the plan?
01:00:12 - Discussion about getting off the Buckeye Trail
01:01:00 - Burnt shoes story
01:03:10 - Pit toilet connoisseur
01:05:48 - Savage mice and rats
01:07:30 - Kind of maybe saved a guy's life
01:09:10 - Held at nonthreatening knifepoint in a car
01:10:22 - Accidentally drinking DEET
01:10:53 - Accidentally holding a lovely couple hostage
01:12:26 - Hearing the song Roxanne 200 times in a night
01:15:30 - Tell us about going back to smaller trails after the CYTC
01:19:09 - Tell us about the Oregon Desert Trail
01:24:30 - Tell us about the Bigfoot Trail
01:30:48 - What's your rationale for doing so many miles?
01:31:56 - Are you frugal when out on trail?
01:33:44 - What was your biggest pigout moment?
01:35:05 - What's your favorite meal on trail?
01:36:37 - Eating so much peanut butter he became allergic
01:39:10 - Did you supplement at all on trail?
01:39:35 - Tell us about the Pacific Northwest Trail
01:48:15 - Plug your book!
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Authorities Investigating Fish Hooks Stuffed In Dog Treats Along Appalachian Trail by Ariella Nardizzi
QOTD: How many drinks constitutes "drinking"?
Triple Crown of moments from AT hiking
One Minute Gear Reviews
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Quoc "Double Magic" Nguyen. Double Magic might just be the most accomplished backpacker you've never heard of, along with being in the running for most interesting person on earth. His 23,000 miles of backpacking started with trails you know, like the Colorado Trail and the Pacific Northwest Trail, and quickly evolved to trails you likely haven't including Norge pa Langs, Via Dinarica, the Colorado Loop (a 1500 mile route he made up), a pair of epic excursions in Alaska, and trekking around the Aleutian Islands, a thing people don't do. This one is a like a snowball rolling downhill, it gets more momentum and becomes more dangerous the further it goes.
We wrap the show with some news of grizzlies getting reintroduced to the Cascades, the triple crown of cheeses, and a listener pumps our tires on our behalf.
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Interview with Quoc "Double Magic" Nguyen
Time stamps & Questions
00:03:50 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon to get exclusive bonus content and don't miss important updates by subscribing to the Trek's newsletter or submitting your email on our website!
00:05:45 - Introducing Quoc
00:07:28 - How did you get into the outdoors?
00:09:34 - How did you transition from peakbagging to thru-hiking?
00:12:04 - What stood out to you from your first thru-hike?
00:13:14 - Were you stressed about money after graduating law school?
00:16:28 - How do you deal with shifting priorities?
00:18:25 - What is your trail name origin story?
00:19:41 - Why the Te Araroa as a second hike?
00:22:45 - Discussion about the TA
00:24:16 - How did you learn about the international hikes you've done?
00:26:14 - What did you learn about thru-hiking during your first two hikes?
00:27:29 - What was the first route you created?
00:28:42 - Tell us about the Iceland Traverse
00:35:45 - Do you not feel fear?
00:38:30 - Did you ever think you were gunna die?
00:42:00 - Tell us about the Norway end to end hike
00:45:26 - Was this a stressful trek?
00:46:30 - What were the terrain and resupplies like?
00:48:11 - Discussion about the ULA circuit
00:49:00 - Do you have tips for hiking efficiently?
00:50:38 - Tell us about your nutrition while hiking
00:55:00 - Would you recommend the Norway hike to others?
00:57:29 - How tired are you after the Norway hike?
01:00:00 - How do you make your trips work financially?
01:05:30 - Does it bother you when people don't return their carts?
01:07:30 - Tell us about your current job in homeland security
01:09:32 - What are the worst things that have happened to you on trail?
01:15:15 - Why don't you use a satellite communication device or bear spray?
01:17:00 - Story about being charged by bears
01:21:48 - Have your feelings about grizzly bears changed?
01:24:52 - What are you afraid of?
01:27:00 - What is your gym routine like?
01:31:00 - Tell us about the Brooks Range Traverse
01:35:55 - Do you ever get frustrated or lose your temper?
01:36:50 - What are the mileages of these two traverses?
01:39:25 - Tell us about the Alaska Traverse
01:46:00 - What are your big three?
01:47:20 - What do you use for footwear?
01:48:50 - Do you carry a bear canister?
01:51:00 - Tell us about the Cordillera Blanca Traverse & Huayhuash Circuit
01:54:41 - Tell us about the 1,500 mile Colorado Loop
01:58:40 - What are your favorite 13ers?
02:01:22 - Kumo Question: What is the most ridiculous fashion trend you've participated in?
Segments
Chaunce's Wedding Update
Trek Propaganda: Grizzlies To Be Reintroduced in North Cascades: What It Means for the PCT by Kelly Floro
QOTD: Would you rather be a cowboy, a samurai, or a pirate?
Triple Crown of cheeses
Listener Voicemail
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason "Snail" Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, we've got another banger Q&A episode for you. We are joined by everyone's favorite viking who hikes to cover your burning questions. Subjects in today's episode include our most underrated pieces of gear, what single food item we've used on the most hikes, our go-to sun protection strategies, how careful someone should be during a norovirus outbreak, what single thing we like most about long-distance backpacking, and more. We wrap the show with what our level of surprise would be to see a dragon, the triple crown of seemingly simple things that don't make sense (this of course goes off the rails), and we give a listener dream tapeworms.
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Q&A with Jabba
Time stamps & Questions
00:03:22 - Reminders: Keep up with content from the Trek via the newsletter, check out our brand new hats (and use code "gingerstuff" for 15% in the Trek store), and recommend someone we should interview at PCT Trail Days!
00:06:34 - Introducing Jabba
00:08:52 - What's your sun protection strategy in highly exposed environments?
00:31:12 - What's the most underrated piece of gear in your pack?
00:40:19 - Patent Pending: Titanium Water Bottle
00:47:45 - What is the single food item that's been in your food bag the most?
01:06:50 - How can you handle norovirus outbreaks?
01:15:10 - The Veteran-Vargo-Viking Story
01:23:50 - How many times do you poo a day hiking/biking…also who's cooler, Zach or Chaunce?
01:26:47 - How do you maintain muscle mass on the trail, especially after so many hikes?
01:30:11 - What was your first tattoo?
01:33:55 - What's your favorite hiking trail you've ever done?
01:39:05 - How do you pack a frameless pack?
01:43:57 - If you had to pick one thing you like most about thru-hiking, what would it be?
Segments
Trek Propaganda
Kumo Question: What is the weirdest thing you've ever eaten and would you recommend it?
QOTD: How surprised would you be to see a dragon flying in the sky?
Triple Crown of seemingly simple things that don't make sense
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Subscribe to this podcast on iTunes (and please leave us a review)! Find us on Spotify, Stitcher, and Google Play.
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we'll do it live! That's right, we are once again joined by backpacking legend, Ryan Sylva aka Dirtmonger, to learn more about his ridiculously extensive backpacking experience from around the world, but this time we are joined by 60 of our best friends at the Skylark Lounge in Denver, Colorado. Although many beers were consumed during the making of this podcast, we feel confident this live episode stays in bounds, at least relative to the first go around, which we no longer speak of.
We wrap the show with a QA from attendees of this event, a triple crown of the best sports movies, Chaunce gives us the full rundown on her engagement, and we finally introduce our highly anticipated new segment, Trail Confessionals.
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Live Podcast
Time stamps & Questions
00:05:17 - Reminders: Submit feedback to podcast@thetrek.co, sign up for the Trek's newsletter, and reach out to us if you know a venue that would like to host us!
00:06:27 - Introducing Dirtmonger
00:13:20 - Tell us about your Poop Loop Bikepacking route
00:15:36 - Was this the start of a new chapter in your life?
00:19:20 - Does bikepacking scratch the same backcountry itch as backpacking?
00:22:58 - How do you develop and feel confident in your philosophy about backpacking?
00:26:54 - Tell us about your backstory
00:31:12 - Have you ever done something you wouldn't want to do again?
00:34:15 - Sell us on bikepacking
00:37:28 - Discussion about using other activities to heal while still adventuring
00:44:15 - What's the longest day you've had on a bike?
00:46:30 - Tell us about the Salkantay Trek, Ausungate Circuit, and Cordillera Real Traverse
00:50:59 - Do you learn things when you hike with Swami?
00:54:02 - What do you mean by hiking at your level?
00:59:56 - Discussion about hiking alone versus with people
01:01:52 - How did that inform the hiking decisions you made afterwards?
01:02:35 - What appeals to you about the desert?
01:04:40 - Tell us about the Oregon Desert Trail
01:06:50 - Tell us about the Altiplano Traverse
01:11:35 - Are there outdoor conditions that you don't enjoy?
01:14:23 - Has there been a scenario where you turned back because the conditions were bad?
01:17:20 - What's your mentality about proving yourself to other people?
01:23:50 - Tell us about the Whatever Route
01:28:25 - Discussion about planning and developing the Great Basin Route
01:37:20 - What's your most controversial take on thru-hiking culture?
01:40:05 - What's your median base weight?
01:45:30 - Discussion about down jackets and rain jackets
01:48:00 - Kumo Question: Do you think visors will ever come back around?
01:49:06 - Audience Q&A: Is there anything you want to hike in Asia?
01:50:00 - Audience Q&A: Bidet?
01:51:00 - Gossamer Gear Giveaway 1
01:55:30 - Audience Q&A: If you had to do one trail for the rest of your life, what would it be?
01:56:40 - Audience Q&A: Do you ever mentally struggle without seeing people around?
02:00:10 - Audience Q&A: How do you mentally balance creating a new trail with LNT?
02:03:08 - Audience Q&A: What trail made you fall in love with thru-hiking?
Segments
Chaunce's Engagement Story
QOTD: How much money would it take for you to live in a dumpster for a month?
Triple Crown of sports movies
Trail Confessions
Two Star Trail Review
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by thru-hiker and author, Audrey "Glowstick" Payne. In addition to a thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail, which is the subject of her memoir, Where the Rhododendrons Bloom, Audrey has also tackled the Colorado Trail, Foothills Trail, Trans Catalina Trail, John Muir Trail, Wonderland Trail, and the Patagonia O Circuit. Audrey gives us an overview of each of these treks, and how she might be the first person on earth to not enjoy the JMT, she details a not-so-cordial breakup with her trail family on the AT, and offers some solid tips for those who want to trek Patagonia's O Circuit. We also get an overview of Audrey's life prior to thru-hiking, including how her treks were inspired by a back injury and her career in PR, including some fun stories of working with celebrities.
We wrap the show with the news of a nasty outbreak of Norovirus on the AT this year, whether you should store your food underwater in the backcountry, the triple crown of movies we've cried to, and some one-star trail reviews.
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Interview with Audrey "Glowstick" Payne
Time stamps & Questions
00:05:14 - Reminders: Come say hi to us at both AT and PCT Trail Days, support us on Patreon to get bonus exclusive episodes, and check out our new hats!
00:06:47 - Introducing Audrey
00:09:20 - What were you doing in DC?
00:15:53 - How did you go from burnt out PR person to thru-hiking?
00:18:34 - How has your back held up?
00:20:15 - How old were you when you started on the AT?
00:22:45 - Walk us through how you rationalized leaving your career to hike the AT
00:26:57 - Are you grateful for your back issues getting you onto the trail?
00:29:28 - Did you have any midlife crises turning 40?
00:30:40 - How do you feel about your future hikes?
00:31:45 - What advice would you give to others approaching or in their 30s?
00:36:22 - Tell us about getting woken up by some ponies and bears
00:44:00 - Is there a story that resonates with readers from the book?
00:47:00 - Tell us about camping at the drive in
00:53:43 - Tell us about foraging on the AT
00:58:40 - What was your best trail magic experience?
01:03:14 - What are your thoughts about tramilies?
01:07:10 - How did the trail family breakup go?
01:09:54 - Can you give tips to people from a PR perspective on how to break up with your trail family?
01:15:52 - What happens if you encounter your broken up trail family again?
01:16:48 - What was it like post-breakup?
01:18:35 - Discussion about deciding to leave a job to hike the AT
01:20:18 - How can someone weigh the pros and cons of making a change to their life?
01:25:00 - Did you put the AT on your resume or discuss it during your interviews?
01:27:45 - What accounted for the four year gap between the AT and your next hike?
01:29:39 - Do your coworkers know you for your hiking?
01:33:02 - How did you decide to do the Colorado Trail?
01:34:17 - Did you start in the same place each time you've done the Four Pass Loop?
01:36:00 - Discussion about the logistics of the Four Pass Loop
01:41:55 - Tell us about your mountain lion encounter on the CT
01:50:00 - Discussion about off-roading
01:51:40 - How was your Foothills Trail hike?
01:57:10 - What insects did you see?
02:00:00 - How was your Trans Catalina Trail experience?
02:04:29 - How was the John Muir Trail?
02:07:50 - Discussion about the PCT southbound
02:12:20 - Tell us about the Patagonia O Circuit
02:14:23 - Is the O Circuit accessible for someone who isn't an experienced backpacker?
02:15:58 - What kind of mileage and elevation gain does the trail entail?
02:17:30 - Discussion about costs, food, and gear
02:19:37 - Where do you fly into and how do you get to trail?
02:21:24 - How did you feel safety-wise?
02:22:55 - Did the structure of the hike take away from the wildness of the area?
02:25:00 - Did you feel fine traveling in that area without speaking Spanish?
02:26:50 - Discussion about the weather and clothing
02:30:29 - Kumo Question: What would your walkup song be if you were entering the Olympics for a random sport?
02:33:50 - Where can people follow you and get your book?
Segments
Trek Propaganda: Norovirus Alert: Appalachian Trail Hikers Urged to Stay Vigilant Amid Outbreak by Ariella Nardizzi
QOTD: Have you ever heard of storing food underwater in the backcountry?
Triple Crown of movies you've cried to
One Star Trail Reviews
Listener Voicemail
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Jason "Snail" Snailer barely know her, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are once again joined by Bethany "Fidgit" Hughes. Fidget has hiked, paddled, and cycled more than 22,000 miles across 25 countries as one half of the Her Odyssey Expedition, a human-powered endeavor to connect the Americas following the longest chain of mountains in the world while telling the story of the land and its inhabitants, a journey she completed in August 2022.
Bethany was last on the podcast more than 5 years ago, when she had completed the South American leg of this wild expedition, she catches us up with her and her partner's journey through Central and North America. We go deep on how she navigates the more unsafe sections of this journey, especially through Central America and Mexico and navigating the cartel, dodging crocodiles, canoeing the 3,000+ mile Arctic Drainage to reach the Arctic Ocean, and much, much more. This one is full of engaging stories, you will not be disappointed.
We wrap the show with news of the first woman to complete the Barkley Marathons, a deadly mountain lion attack in California, and the triple crown of breakfasts.
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Interview with Bethany "Fidgit" Hughes
Time stamps & Questions
00:04:08 - Reminders: We will be at Trail Days! And…subscribe to us on Youtube!
00:05:07 - (Re)introducing Bethany
00:06:23 - Tell us about your recent 10 day silent retreat
00:16:25 - Did you have moments where you wanted to speak?
00:18:30 - Give us the summary of what part of the odyssey you'd completed the last time you were on the podcast
00:23:00 - What was the timeline of going across Central America?
00:25:58 - How would you describe your appreciation for bikepacking?
00:28:24 - Do you find that elitism is more prevalent in bikepacking than thru-hiking?
00:33:10 - If someone wanted to do a similar route, what advice would you offer?
00:37:26 - How many scenarios felt unsafe during the Central American portion?
00:42:08 - Did you find the State Department's advisories helpful?
00:43:28 - Are there extra safety precautions for solo female travelers?
00:47:38 - What other safety methods do you recommend?
00:50:45 - What were some of the highlights of the Central American portion of your route?
00:53:33 - Is there a crocodile protocol?
00:57:50 - Where did you go after kayaking in Panama?
01:00:25 - How safe did you feel in Mexico?
01:05:50 - How did you learn these trends and strategies?
01:08:23 - Is it easy to spot a gangster?
01:10:44 - Tell us about jumping over to the Baja California Peninsula
01:13:20 - Did you have any weird encounters along the US-Mexico border?
01:20:00 - Discussion about the evolution of trail magic and entitlement
01:22:36 - How do you recommend people participate in a gift-giving culture?
01:28:07 - Tell us any standout stories from hiking the CDT
01:33:20 - Do you think Her Odyssey has made you more adaptable as a thru-hiker?
01:40:22 - Tell us about the Great Divide Trail
01:46:25 - What are Treaty Days?
01:48:38 - Discussion about climate change along the route
01:51:05 - Discussion about the paddling trip to the Arctic Ocean
01:59:00 - How did you develop paddling skills?
02:01:16 - Did your caloric needs increase on the paddling portion of the odyssey?
02:02:18 - Bethany's hot take on umbrellas
02:05:40 - Where can people learn more about you?
Segments
Trek Propaganda
QOTD: How excited are we to have Elise back on BPR?
Triple Crown of breakfasts
Listener Voicemail
Plug Me
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, he's back. That's right, The Real Hiking Viking aka Jabba aka Tom aka Backpacker Radio's honorary third co-host joins us once again to give us an update on his life. We get the full breakdown of where the heck he disappeared to last year, how his CDT hike went, another attempt at the Wind River High Route, a brief stint on a reality TV show in Central America, updates on his backpack, and much more. If ever a guest needed no introduction, it's this one, so we'll just say sit down, strap in, and get ready to get Jabba'd once again.
We wrap the show with a question of the day so graphic that I will not be saying it in the intro (this episode is not for kids), the triple crown of funniest farts, and this is your last chance to snag tickets for our live podcast in Denver!
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Interview with Jabba
Time stamps & Questions
00:07:17 - Reminders: This is your last chance for tickets to our live podcast in Denver TOMORROW!
00:15:00 - Re-introducing Jabba and his desire for a sober year
00:22:25 - Are you goal setting for your birthday?
00:24:00 - What would allow you to one-up your 30s in your 40s?
00:26:22 - Is there a correlation between trying sobriety and preventing injuries?
00:29:23 - Why did you disappear?
00:33:00 - Discussion about Jabba's flip flop on the CDT and getting off the trail
00:37:07 - Did any part of you think about getting back onto the CDT?
00:38:04 - How do you pull yourself out of a sedentary period?
00:40:55 - How do you spend six hours at the gym?
00:51:08 - What bikepacking trip are you going on?
00:54:14 - Tell us about starting on the CDT last year
00:58:35 - Do you have any mental spiraling about not being at the top of your historical physical fitness?
01:05:00 - Discussion about adding stakes to physical goals
01:12:08 - Discussion about the CDT
01:17:00 - Discussion about standards shifting over time
01:18:52 - How do you manage big adventures with maintaining a home life?
01:21:50 - Tell us about ending the CDT with the Wind River High Route
01:33:21 - What were some highlights of the northern stretch of the Wind River High Route?
01:36:45 - Should you have an ice axe and microspikes regardless of the time of year?
01:38:17 - What are the updates on the Zerk?
01:43:18 - Kumo Question: What is the smelliest thing you've ever encountered?
Segments
QOTD
Triple Crown of funniest farts
Trek Propaganda: Briana DeSanctis Becomes First Solo Woman To Complete 6,800-Mile American Discovery Trail by Ariella Nardizzi
Mail Bag
5 Star Review
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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.
A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex & Misty with Navigators Crafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Austin Ford, Brad & Blair (Thirteen Adventures), Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Hailey Buckingham, Jason "Snail" Snailer barely know her, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, and Tracy "Trigger" Fawns.
A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: 12 Trees Farms, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Keith Dobie Jr, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.
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