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    An Arm and a Leg

    An Arm and a Leg is a podcast about why health care costs so freaking much and what we can (maybe) do about it.

    If you’ve ever been surprised by a medical bill, you’re in good company. But as our team of seasoned journalists has learned from years of reporting — you’re not always helpless. We don’t have all the answers, but we’ll offer you tools and big picture insights with plenty of humor and heart. 

    An Arm and a Leg is co-produced with KFF Health News and distributed in partnership with KUOW.

    You can support An Arm and a Leg by donating at armandalegshow.com/support/


    Show Credits: Created, hosted, and produced by Dan Weissmann with senior producer Emily Pisacreta and engagement producer Claire Davenport, edited by Ellen Weiss. Audio wizard: Adam Raymonda. Music is by Dave Weiner and Blue Dot Sessions. Bea Bosco is our consulting director of operations. Lynne Johnson is our operations manager.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Makers unite: Speeding PPE to a COVID hospital Apr 06, 2020
    Show notes

    We kick off SEASON-19, about the cost of COVID, with a dose of hope — a story about an unlikely chain of people coming together to speed PPE to a COVID hospital in Brooklyn. NYC is a couple weeks ahead of the rest of the country, we think, so there are lessons here we can all get ready to use. Especially this: Don't be afraid that what you have to offer isn't enough. Take the step in front of you, even if it's a little one.


    Here's a couple ways to start

    1. You can donate to that effort to get PPE to that Brooklyn hospital here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/artcube-army-ppe-supplies
    2. There are stories like this all over, big and small. And we want as many as we can find for SEASON-19. Tell us about the ones you know at https://armandalegshow.com/contact/


    ... or leave a message on our hotline: (724) 276-6534. That's (724) ARM N LEG.


    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

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    Whoa. Welcome to SEASON-19 Mar 30, 2020
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    We were not expecting to bring the next season out for another couple months, but... STUFF has been happening. Is happening. We're here with you. Bring us your stories and your QUESTIONS: We'll ask the smartest people we know to tell us all what they know. go to https://www.armandalegshow.com/contact OR call our **hotline**! Yep: (724) 276-6534 -- which spells 724 ARM N LEG.

    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Reporter's Notebook: What we've learned so far, and what's ahead. Feb 14, 2020
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    This bonus episode turns the tables: Ace reporter Sally Herships interviews Arm and a Leg host Dan Weissmann, about what he's learned so far, and what's ahead for the show. \They dig into the stories listeners are sharing -- the lessons people say they’re learning, and the lessons they’re sharing.


    And Dan previews the celebrations in store as the show hits a landmark: 500 Patreon supporters! If you haven't signed up already, there's still time to join us -- sign up by March 1 -- and earn some special rewards. https://www.patreon.com/armandalegshow


    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

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    Watch Your Back: Outwitting the Back-Pain Industry Jan 02, 2020
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    Cathryn Jakobson Ramin, an investigative reporter with a bad back, spent years researching the $100-billion back-pain industry. She found that the most commonly-prescribed treatments, including surgery, frequently do not work — and often leave people a lot worse off. She also learned what does work. Whenever someone I know says their back is killing them, I send them a link to Ramin's 2017 book, Crooked: Outwitting the Back Pain Industry. In this episode, we hit the highlights of Ramin's findings.

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    Christmas in July Dec 26, 2019
    Show notes

    How one family's tragedy became, decades later, a $1 million gift to their neighbors. This story has everything: Laughter. Tears. Family. Community. Generosity. Softball. AND: Punk rock. John Oliver. A taco bar.

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    This hospital sued thousands of patients — until a reporter called them out. Dec 19, 2019
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    They say the problem with relying on journalists to embarrass providers into caving on crazy bills is, there aren’t enough journalists to go around. Fair. But sometimes journalists can scale up.


    In Memphis, reporter Wendi Thomas found that the city’s biggest hospital routinely sued its patients over unpaid bills, despite making tidy profits.


    The hospital even sued its own badly-paid employees — a fact Thomas said was immediately visible just by visiting the court house. “You saw them, there, in their scrubs,” she said. “I could see their [hospital] badge clipped to the front of their uniforms.”


    The injustices were stark. “The defendants are just outmatched,” Thomas said. “They don't have the resources of a billion dollar hospital with its own collection agency and attorneys.”


    Thomas did such a good job making a stink about it that after a couple of months, the hospital dropped more than 6,500 lawsuits, and erased the debts.


    “Shame is a powerful motivator,” said Thomas. “It just is. And the hospital didn't look good, so they had to address it.”


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    Can they freaking DO that?!? Dec 12, 2019
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    A woman got a bill from a medical testing lab she’s never heard of, for $35. Then, a follow-up bill said if she didn’t pay up right away, that price was going up — WAY up: to $1,287.


    Which raises a question that comes up a LOT with medical billing: Can they freaking DO that?!?


    Can some random lab hit you up for money — and then threaten you with a late fee of more than $1,000??


    On this episode, we go find out.


    This was fun. We'll do it again. Next time you want to know, Can They Freaking DO That?!? ... get in touch.


    Also: We get into a whole story in this episode about "surprise billing" — and as we were publishing this episode, news was breaking. We've got an update at https://www.patreon.com/armandalegshow


    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

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    Why can't they tell you the price upfront? Dec 05, 2019
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    Sarah Macsalka has seen the stories about how expensive an emergency room visit can be, even for a minor complaint.


    So when her seven year-old son Cameron gashed his knee on a weekend morning in June, the ER was NOT where her family headed first.


    In fact, Macsalka did just about everything she could to avoid paying a big, fat bill to get Cameron’s knee stitched up — and ultimately failed.


    For instance, she took Cameron first to a local urgent-care clinic, but was told they didn't have anesthetic. So it was off to the ER.


    Before signing anything, Sarah asked what it might cost and pressed hard — but got only squishy answers.


    She ended up liable for $3,000 in charges. If only she had known.


    “I would've said thank you very much. And walked out and gone back to our lovely urgent care and been like, 'Cameron, bite on this stick.'”


    Her adventures make an entertaining parable, and they raise a big question: In a health care system where consumers are told to "shop" for the best deal, why is it so hard for us to get the information we need?


    On this episode, we get some answers, thanks to a super-insider and straight shooter: Lisa Bielamowicz, a doctor who now runs Gist Healthcare, a consultancy firm where hospitals are the clients, gives us the dirt.


    We'd love it if you support this show on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/armandalegshow


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    Health Care: The Musical Nov 27, 2019
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    It would sound a LOT like Explanation of Benefits, which is a musical revue that actually played in New York City in 2019.


    ... so it would feature a parody of "Bills, Bills, Bills" — the 1999 Destiny's Child hit —rewritten for the age of GoFundMe.


    And it would have smart, funny musical numbers tracing the long, sad history of the U.S. health care industry.


    Welcome to our musical episode! And thank you to the young NYC troupe Heck No Techno for creating Explanation of Benefits.


    Our episode isn't sung all the way through — it's more like the PBS documentary on Hamilton than an actual musical of its own. But that is still. Pretty. Darn. Cool.


    AND: In keeping with our theme this season of self-defense against the cost of health care, Explanation of Benefits wraps with a set of short vignettes demonstrating ways patients can work to protect themselves from excessive charges.


    So we have included here an email-by-email breakdown of songwriter Emily Lowinger's successful battle to fight off a surprise medical bill.


    ... and we've set it off with music — timing and cues lovingly adjusted by our audio wizard, Adam — and it is a TREAT.


    Go enjoy. Have a great Thanksgiving!


    ... and speaking of thanks: I recently spent a weekend afternoon sending thank-you cards to folks who support this show on Patreon. I'd love it if you became one: https://www.patreon.com/armandalegshow


    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

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    My Neighbor the Health-Care Ninja Nov 21, 2019
    Show notes

    Meredith Balogh has spent years learning to navigate the financial side of the health-care system. She’s a type-one diabetic, she’s never had a lot of money, and for years she didn’t have health insurance.


    It hasn’t been easy, but she’s become a master.


    “There's only three things that you're fighting,” she says. “Problems with competence, problems with greed and problems with maliciousness. And luckily most things are incompetence.”


    She has saved herself and her family many thousands of dollars, and made a habit — even a hobby — out of helping others: Fellow diabetics, co-workers, and strangers on the Internet.


    She's a health-care ninja. And she happens to be my neighbor.


    Also in this episode: Our show's chief investor (and my spouse) applies some ninja-level negotiating skills to save our family more than $700 on a lost medical device. Around here, that's what we call romantic.


    Thanks to our supporters on Patreon! We'd love it if you became one: https://www.patreon.com/armandalegshow


    Support the show: https://armandalegshow.com/support/

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